Is Charles Drew a good school?

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hey guys

i just got the secondary for charles drew university today.....talk about SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

well, im curious, should i do it? it looks really annoying, but im just concerned because of the negative comments ive been hearing.....i really dont know why or what exactly happeneed there recently....so im curious what you guys think of the school and what is that controversy people are talking about

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I'll be very cautious about attending Drew. Although it has affiliation with UCLA. I doubt UCLA can do too much if the Drew hospital runs into more problems again.
 
its true that drew has problems; they even admit it. but, can someone answer this? maybe jalby has some insight. if drew is so bad and one should be cautious when considering it, how come their residency match was so good last year? probably as good as any other cali school.

im dieing to know what people have to say about this.
 
last year is last year....

this year is different...

im sure people that attend drew will have everything figured out by the time they do rotations....but just the clinical experience they were known for in the past might not be as great now.

all this negative news...if not turned out soon might have some bad effects when trying to land a residency in the future.

but this is all thinking based on nothing ;)
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
its true that drew has problems; they even admit it. but, can someone answer this? maybe jalby has some insight. if drew is so bad and one should be cautious when considering it, how come their residency match was so good last year? probably as good as any other cali school.

im dieing to know what people have to say about this.
What was their residency match??? From my understanding, a lot of Drew students end up at Drew. And I would find it pretty funny if a school that's goal was to create community primary care physicians had a "good" match.
 
Originally posted by Jalby
What was their residency match??? From my understanding, a lot of Drew students end up at Drew. And I would find it pretty funny if a school that's goal was to create community primary care physicians had a "good" match.

Actually, the Drew mission isn't primary care, its to serve the underserve. As shocking as it may be for you to hear, the undeserved also need dermatologists, ophthalmologist, radiologists, etc...
 
Originally posted by exmike
As shocking as it may be for you to hear, the undeserved also need dermatologists, ophthalmologist, radiologists, etc...

Lemme check my shock meter........nope, not shocked. But then again, you must know me and who I am better than I do.
 
jlee, i see your point. but the leadership is be revolutionized and i am hopeful that things will be getting better. i just hope it doesnt take too long. but dont forget that ucla backs up the program.

exmike, you make a great point. underserved communities need every and any kind of dr. i think that most drew graduates end up in primary care, but nonetheless, they dont exlusively train you for that.

jalby, i really respect your opinion. so help me out here please.

first off, you asked about the match. for match 2003, i have a list of 19 matches for 17 students (i have no idea what happened to the other 7 of 24 students). 3 at king/drew for ER, Radiology, and Gen Surgery. Several matched at harbor/ucla, i see UCLA pathology, UCSF medicine, i see USC and White Memorial, kaiser, and some others. i see internal medicine, family practice, ER, surgery, ob/gyn, ophthalmology (howard u), radiology, peds, and pathology. would you call that good? i would...most ended up in LA, CA, mostly in primary care, but some specialties (including the most competitive....opthal, surgery, radiology). ??

i heard that your residency match depends ALMOST all on your step 1 boards. so its a bunch of BS that you cant get what you want if you go to drew. (and mind you, ucla will be preping u for step 1). what do you think about that? (i guess other important factors include city of med school...got that covered, AOA/honors...at ucla, research...can do at ucla or drew, EC's...can be part of snma/lmsa/other, rotation grades and location....3rd year county experience, 4th year you are mostly out and about). i know someone who went to ucla, didnt do well on step 1, had to go out of state for residency; well almost all the drew students stayed here...so how does where you go factor in...its just like the mcat-standardized test to test everyone no matter where they went for med school...yes, no, maybe so?

i guess im not trying to deny certain facts. yes, everyone knows there are problems. its not a secret. but im trying to figure out how that is going to effect me? so i bring up these points above and am trying to understand those.

thanks for your thoughts....
 
UCLA actually didn't do a good job prepping people for the boards (with the old curric. Ask again in 1.5 years about the new one) so it wasn't that much of an advantage. Drew's match list is good in that almost everybody ended up in souther california. That goes with what I have said many times. Where you go to school is where you will most likely end up for residency. Going to Drew gives you a HUGE advantage if your goal is to stay in southern cali, and that is not going to change. I don't think thei rnew leadership will do much more for the students because for the most part that is the last of their concerns right now and I'm not sure they could do much for them. The match list you shown is similar to the 2 I had seen 2-3 years ago, and I expect the same. A lot of random specialties spread out over Cali and 1-2 competative ones across the nation. That's not going to change. What might change is that you might lose the administration from Drew and end up being wards of the UC system, which would not be a fun process at all. Or what I think might (emphasis on might) be likely, nobody get's in this year and they go on a one+ year hiatus.
 
not accept anyone this year.....you mean those who interview this year and get accepted would be deferred for one year? or you think that they will just say screw u, apply again this summer? can that happen and can they really do that? i dont see how it can happen?

thanks jalby for your insight! your awesome. just one thing, is it true that your step 1 scores are the most, if not the only thing, that is important in getting the residency you want??
 
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I'd kind of like to back away from my Drew taking a year off theory. I actually don't think that would happen unless the school lost it's funding (which could happen) I don't think it is as likely as I might have made it seem.
 
does anyone (maybe yourself, or your friend is at ucla) know how the drew students do at ucla? do they rank high in the class? how are their board scores?
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
does anyone (maybe yourself, or your friend is at ucla) know how the drew students do at ucla? do they rank high in the class? how are their board scores?

We do just fine.:D
 
Hey Deuce--

How's it going down there? What do you think about what's going on with the school?
 
Originally posted by Deuce 007 MD
We do just fine.:D

Old school. Long time no see. A lot of people would have a TON of questions for you. So what's the school telling you guys???
 
New article today concerning King/Drew. It just keeps getting worse.

Report Assails Hospital Lapses

Nurses at Martin Luther King Jr./Drew Medical Center were ordered to lie about patients' conditions, failed to give crucial medications prescribed by doctors and left seriously ill patients unattended for hours ? including three who died ? according to a new report by federal health officials.

Government inspectors have now identified five patients who died at King/Drew last year after what were determined to have been grave errors by staff members, and the findings could trigger criminal investigations into possible misconduct by the nurses and their supervisors.

The Jan. 13 report also said hospital officials had failed to fix dangerous lapses in care after promising to do so.

Details in the report suggest that problems at the Los Angeles County-owned hospital in Willowbrook, just south of Watts, are far worse than previously disclosed and that the county faces a daunting task in turning it around.

For instance, inspectors found that nurses had all but ignored 20-year-old Oluchi McDonald, who was suffering from gangrene of the intestines, when he arrived by ambulance March 12. Eighteen hours later, he was found on the floor ? where he had fallen unnoticed ? in a pool of his own vomit, according to the federal report and an autopsy summary. He could not be revived.

"It's extremely distressing to know that he was rendered invisible," said his mother, Akilah Oliver, a college lecturer in Boulder, Colo., "that his life seemed not to be important to his caretakers."

Four days after McDonald died, another patient suffering from gangrene and other problems died. He was neglected for almost a day, the report said.

Then, in July, two women died when nurses did not notice their conditions were deteriorating, even though they were connected to cardiac monitors, government inspectors found. In December, a fifth patient died under similar circumstances in the same unit, known as 4B, the report said.

Taken together, the deaths and other shortfalls in patient care illustrate the "failure of the hospital to ensure quality health care in a safe environment," said the report by the U.S. Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, which oversees federal healthcare funding. The document has not yet been released publicly but was obtained by The Times.

A federal health official familiar with King/Drew, who declined to be identified, said the problems found and the number of questionable deaths were highly unusual.

Nurses told inspectors, for instance, that their supervisors had ordered them to downplay the conditions of critically ill patients to subvert rules requiring that the sickest patients get more nursing care.

In response, officials suspended assistant nursing director Margaret Latham without pay last Friday and had her escorted from the hospital. She could not be reached for comment Thursday.

The county had already suspended the hospital's nursing director without pay and hired an outside firm to run the nursing operation.

"It's criminal," said Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, one of five county supervisors responsible for overseeing the hospital, referring to nurses' alleged misconduct. "It's just unbelievable. It's unethical. It's immoral and it's probably illegal."

Officials in the county Department of Health Services said they were preparing cases to be presented to the district attorney's office for possible criminal prosecution. These include "intentional misrepresentation of patient conditions," said Fred Leaf, the agency's chief operating officer.

Leaf said that the department was investigating 20 to 25 cases of misconduct at the hospital and that he expected to discipline employees in coming weeks.

In recent weeks he has spent much of his time at King /Drew, which was founded to provide desperately needed services to South Los Angeles after the 1965 Watts riots and remains one of the few healthcare providers in the area.

If the problems are not corrected, the hospital could lose all federal funding, which accounts for about half its $430-million annual budget. Such a move would be rare, however, and county officials say they are making reforms to avoid that.

"I think you will find that, once they see what we've done, they will be amazed at the extent to which we have taken immediate and decisive action," said Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, director of the county health department.

He cited changes that include closing unit 4B, where at least three of the patients died, and bringing in new managers.

The Jan. 13 report is the latest and most damning in a series of sanctions and citations issued against the hospital since August.

A national accrediting group has revoked King/Drew's ability to train aspiring surgeons and radiologists and has threatened to do the same for trainees in neonatology.

This latest round of inspections was spurred by the deaths last summer of the two women in 4B. Both were supposed to be continuously watched by nurses but were not. State inspectors were so concerned by the events that they asked the federal government to authorize a more extensive review.

During that review, which began in December, inspectors pulled the files of 20 patients and found that eight of them had received inadequate care.

In three of those cases, the patients died.

Inspectors also found serious and unusual ethical breaches that deprived the most critically ill patients of adequate care.

"Confidential interviews revealed that nursing staff were prohibited from assigning patients a classification of IV," the most critical level of sickness, the report said.

Delays Found

As a result, inspectors said, nurses sometimes struggled to care for four times as many patients as the state allowed. Crucial medications and treatments were often delayed for hours. Nurses also did little to help patients who were in severe pain, according to the findings.

On one shift reviewed by inspectors, nine of the 16 patients should have been classified at the sickest level, which would have required one nurse for every two patients.

One patient was bleeding and required multiple transfusions, five required ventilators to aid their breathing and one of those patients had a temperature as high as 104 degrees, inspectors found. Four more patients were waiting to be admitted from the emergency room.

Yet there were only two registered nurses assigned to the unit ? one for every eight patients, according to the report. One less skilled licensed vocational nurse, though not qualified for the task, was left to watch the cardiac monitors. When nursing administrators were asked for help, they told the nurses on duty that no help was available, the report said.

The inspectors also found that the hospital hadn't followed through on pledges to correct problems.

For instance, in November, state health inspectors looking into the two women's deaths in 4B issued a report that cited errors, misconduct, and poor training of nurses. The county promised better training and oversight.

But the death of the man in December under similar conditions showed that those changes were not made, according to federal inspectors.

In fact, the man's family had to tell nurses that something was wrong with him. When nurses went to his room, they found a "flat line" on the cardiac monitor and no heart rate, the report said. He died within hours.

The employee assigned to watch the monitors "had not notified the nurse prior to being alerted by the patient's family" that the man's heart had stopped, according to the report. The Times reported this patient's death last month.

Even after this death, the hospital still did not ensure that employees in 4B were trained to use the monitors or were even paying attention, inspectors found.

When inspectors visited King/Drew on Dec. 23, the nurse assigned to watch the cardiac monitors told them she "did not feel comfortable" with use of the devices. Her employee file also lacked proof that she had been trained to operate them or spot abnormal heart rhythms, the report said.

While inspectors spoke to the nurse, the monitors for all six patients in 4B showed a red X next to the "pulse" read-out.

None of the three nurses in 4B at the time knew the X meant that the alarm, designed to alert them to dangerous dips in patients' heart rates, was off.

While the inspectors were at King/Drew, county officials were in the process of closing 4B until they could ensure that the staff was properly trained.

Last March, in the second of the deaths, the patient arrived at the emergency room with gangrene of his lower leg, pneumonia with a collapsed lung and kidney failure.

Although his temperature was 90.8 degrees, there was no evidence that the nurse gave him a heating blanket, inspectors found. Nor was there any sign that he received the antibiotics or blood products ordered by the doctor to control his infection and blood-clotting problems during the 22? hours he was in the emergency room, the report said. The man died a short time after being transferred to an inpatient bed, according to inspectors.

'Horrifying' Conditions

Supervisor Gloria Molina said county officials were working as quickly as possible to reverse the "horrifying" conditions at King/Drew.
 
"We recognize there are huge problems there ? huge, huge problems," she said. "They must be resolved, and we need to take some very drastic actions, and those are the actions we're taking today."

Supervisor Yvonne Brathwaite Burke, whose district includes the hospital, said she felt terrible about how the patients died. Given the details of 20-year-old McDonald's death, she said, "It's something that should not happen."

Yaroslavsky said he was particularly troubled that some of the patient care lapses had occurred after county officials took over the day-to-day running of the hospital.

"It was more than a little bit disconcerting that problems were still popping up after all this had been known to us," he said. "And it begs the question: What is going on there today?"
 
This news report not only shocked me, but seriously broke my heart. I still can't believe it... Now I am proud that I didn't return my secondary!
 
Oh my GOD Jalby!!! I just read this report two minutes ago and was about to post it up cuz I think EVERYONE that applied to Drew, was thinkin' about applyin' to Drew and/or was thinking about attending Drew should KNOW what's up with King County. It DOES NOT look good right now and no matter how much Dr. Miller tries to downplay it...these are HUGE concerns for them and they should be REALLY worried. Fixing these problems is costing county huge amounts of money and it's certainly easier for them to cut off financial ties and close down the hospital. So sad that it has to happen in this community but I see this happening. Even if King county does not get closed down, I don't see future Drew students really rotating through there anymore.

So the BIG question is...what happens to the Drew students...and that's all up in the air. :confused:

so sad :(
 
Originally posted by Luwi25
Fixing these problems is costing county huge amounts of money and it's certainly easier for them to cut off financial ties and close down the hospital.

This will never happen. King Drew is to important a hospital and also to politically sensative to close down. With Tenet selling the other hospitals near by and maybe closing them, if King/Drew closed down there will be absolutely no hospitals in South Los Angeles. No matter how much $$$ it takes, county officials won't close down the hospital. Cutting off the managment and Drew university are very viable options though because these arn't really politically sensative.
 
Again, I personally discourage people from applying to Drew, and I do think UCLA will try to help out Drew if no student is allowed to rotate at Drew anymore, but there's just so many uncertainties
 
Originally posted by Jalby
This will never happen. King Drew is to important a hospital and also to politically sensative to close down. With Tenet selling the other hospitals near by and maybe closing them, if King/Drew closed down there will be absolutely no hospitals in South Los Angeles. No matter how much $$$ it takes, county officials won't close down the hospital. Cutting off the managment and Drew university are very viable options though because these arn't really politically sensative.

This is a very viable point...didn't think of that!

And Calbe...I agree...there are so many uncertainties about Drew right now
 
i dont understand why there are so many problems there. how can they let this all happen?

it seems like they need new people (nurses, administration). im not sure its even a money problem; other county hospitals seem to be doing just fine and have great patient care and safety and im sure they are in much need of money. its really sad.

im very doubtful that drew will be cut from the hospital; i think they will just shut down some wards/programs and get new administration. i doubt the students will be sent completely to other places besides king/drew. maybe they will be sent for some rotations in 3rd yr and they are already mostly away for 4th year.

that brings up a good question. if for 4th year, the students are almost entirely out of king/drew, then the clinical med edu is not bad at all (of course under the premise that the 3rd year would be "bad"). so then, how come many discrourage stud from going to drew??

hey, its better than going DO, going out of state (unless its a top 15 school), or not going anywhere at all. so drew/ucla is just fine.
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
hey, its better than going DO
Given the reputation that Drew has acquired, I would say it depends on which DO school you are comparing it to.
 
well actually i didnt mean to say its better than DO in that DO isnt good. i should have said, if you want to get an MD, then its worth going to drew so that you dont go to DO cause you really want to be an MD. does that make sense? like a lot of people go DO just cause they think they dont have a chance to go to an allophathic program. sorry, i didnt mean anything against DO.
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
im very doubtful that drew will be cut from the hospital; i think they will just shut down some wards/programs and get new administration. i doubt the students will be sent completely to other places besides king/drew. maybe they will be sent for some rotations in 3rd yr and they are already mostly away for 4th year.

that brings up a good question. if for 4th year, the students are almost entirely out of king/drew, then the clinical med edu is not bad at all (of course under the premise that the 3rd year would be "bad"). so then, how come many discrourage stud from going to drew??

hey, its better than going DO, going out of state (unless its a top 15 school), or not going anywhere at all. so drew/ucla is just fine.

The beauty of the Drew program IS King County and the experiences you get there. Right now, the residency programs are in jeopardy. I'm not sure how much y'all know about the rotation process but each rotation is involves teams of med students, residents and an attending physician. Med students basically are under the residents so with no more residents...who will the med students learn from? The attending physicians have their hands full and so, this forces Drew med school to redirect their students to other medical institutions to do rotations...which is uncertain at this point.

I have a UCLA interview coming up and upon talking to some 4th year UCLA med students about the situation they advised me that in the instance that (I'm SO blessed) and I have a choice between UCLA or Drew...that I HAVE TO choose UCLA. Well, since I assumed Drew students are UCLA students and when I told them that I wanted to go to Drew because of their mission, they gave me TWO good reasons to choose otherwise:

1) UCLA provides a variety of hospitals where I can get exposure to working with the underserved like at Harbor, Oliveview, the Wilshire VA etc. while at Drew I'll get my training only at King County.

2) Also, when applying to residency programs, very few residency directors really know about the Drew program AND now, they might know about the program but are VERY skeptical of it due to the very publicized problems the hospital is facing. No matter how good your board scores are, the quality of training that you get during 3rd and 4th year really determine your preparation for residency (in the EYES of residency directors) and so they are more likely to LOOK DOWN UPON the training that Drew students will recieve during rotations at King county.

When choosing a medical school, you also want to look beyond your 4 years of education and think about residency and where you will have a chance to secure a good residency spot. Even DO schools like Western U in Pomona, they provide their training at some great hospitals and a variety of institutions and this looks REALLY appealing to residency directors. As a result, these students score great residencies at USC, children's hospital, UCLA, UCSD, UC Davis and UC Irvine (assuming you want to stay in SoCal.

So to sum it up...it's a tough decision with Drew because of the uncertainty...you don't know where you'll get that critical clinical training and you don't know how their reputation will stand in 4 years when right now things seem to be going down hill for them.
 
Ok a few days ago the drew students meet w/Dr. Michael Drake, University of California Vice President for Health Affairs, ?he oversees education and research activities at UC's 15 health sciences schools (medicine, dentistry, nursing, etc.).? He pretty much reiterated what dean Levy of UCLA already said, that drew students are UCLA students and that UCLA, or the UC system will not let any of it?s student fall threw the cracks. Plan (a) make what rotations that can be done at drew at drew. Plan (b) that any insufficiencies with rotations at drew can be done at UCLA or any of its affiliated hospitals.

Let me remind you guys that it is the LCME that accredits MD schools, and that it is UCLA that is accredited not drew. UCLA?s accreditation is not in question hear, and if it was do u think the UC system would do nothing about it? It?s UCLA that confers us w/our MD degree, and the only thing different about it from the other students is that it well say drew program on it, much like how the UCR/UCLA?s will also be a UCLA degree that states bio med program instead, or like how the MSTP?s well say MD/PHD on theirs. Other then that UCLA main program, MSTP, UCR/UCLA, Drew/UCLA students all have a UCLA student ID, pay our tuition threw UCLA, attend the same white coat ceremony, have a David Geffen SOM white coat, attend the same graduation, attend the same formal dances, social functions, and yes we even sit together at lunch in the quad of CHS. But we don?t sit w/the dental students though, they have their own area during lunch.:D

King/Drew is going threw some changes right now, and there seems to be a lot of politics, agendas, ambition, and finger pointing going on. These things are all too complex for a mere student like me to understand these plans within plans. But the hospital is too important to the community for them to shut it down, so I don?t think that would happen. Sometimes it takes some bad things to happen in order for change to come about, e.g. lawsuits that affect the standard of care or change protocols, or that girls death that lead to the 80 hour work week law in NY. While the politicians and administrators are bickering and pointing fingers it is the community that is suffering the most. I?m just hoping that things do change for the better at drew and for the community that King/Drew serves.
 
thanks so much for clearing things up for us deuce.

i didnt know they where dgeffen white coats...i see them with the big drew patch. either way, id be proud to be a drew student!

calling it the ucla at drew program sounds more correct, no?

thanks again.
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
well actually i didnt mean to say its better than DO in that DO isnt good. i should have said, if you want to get an MD, then its worth going to drew so that you dont go to DO cause you really want to be an MD. does that make sense? like a lot of people go DO just cause they think they dont have a chance to go to an allophathic program. sorry, i didnt mean anything against DO.
It's cool. I'd go to Drew even with all its problems because of the cheap tuition.

Wow Luwi, a UCLA interview now? Nice. Looks like the application process is treating you great. I guess Western is a back up plan now, although it's a solid alternative I might add. :)

As for me, I'm hoping for a Loma Linda acceptance. I thought the school was awesome and I just don't see how anyone can say anything bad about it. If it doesn't happen I still got Western. I guess it's a win/win situation for both of us. :clap:
 
slick, r u trying to stay in cali? if not, i think temple and mount sinai (even though you didnt go) are great!

good luck.
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
slick, r u trying to stay in cali? if not, i think temple and mount sinai (even though you didnt go) are great!

good luck.
Yea I know they are good schools, but I would prefer to stay in CA.
 
Originally posted by Deuce 007 MD
Ok a few days ago the drew students meet w/Dr. Michael Drake, University of California Vice President for Health Affairs, ?he oversees education and research activities at UC's 15 health sciences schools (medicine, dentistry, nursing, etc.).? He pretty much reiterated what dean Levy of UCLA already said, that drew students are UCLA students and that UCLA, or the UC system will not let any of it?s student fall threw the cracks. Plan (a) make what rotations that can be done at drew at drew. Plan (b) that any insufficiencies with rotations at drew can be done at UCLA or any of its affiliated hospitals.

I heard the exact same thing from the exact same source (but through a different way than Deuce) Pretty Funny.
 
Originally posted by Slickness

Wow Luwi, a UCLA interview now? Nice. Looks like the application process is treating you great. I guess Western is a back up plan now, although it's a solid alternative I might add. :)

As for me, I'm hoping for a Loma Linda acceptance. I thought the school was awesome and I just don't see how anyone can say anything bad about it. If it doesn't happen I still got Western. I guess it's a win/win situation for both of us. :clap:

Hey Slickness...I was meaning to ask you how the Loma Linda interview went! I'm sure that you did great and that they absolutely loved you. After all...you are pretty "Slick" :D Well, let me know how it goes! My UCLA interview is coming up and I'm excited about it because after all I've been there for 6 years and would love to finish all of my degrees there. But I'm still really excited about western and either way we'll get to stay in Cali and become wonderful physicians! Good Luck with Loma Linda...it is a great school and it'll be even closer to home for you, no? Keep in touch and keep me updated. Either way, we'll probably meet up at the Western Class of 2008 gathering :hardy:
 
Hey,
I recently went to my drew/ucla interview and the med student that interviewed me said that the 3rd year rotations are no big deal. Some of the rotations are done at king/drew hospital and the others are done at a bunch of other hospitals like UCLA, UCLA-harbor, Oliveview, etc. etc.. And the 4th rotations can be done pretty much anywhere, even aboard. So I think a lot of people are making a big deal about 3rd year rotations at drew without knowing the situation well.
 
is the drew/ucla program good? im talking in terms of curriculum and opportunities.

well obviously it has a special mission, unique 3rd and 4th year, only school to require research, county experience, new curric at ucla, its freakin drew...its different. and i thought the matching for last year was "pretty good."

but im worried about its reputation. i know that its an amazing place. but people out there (old doctors, faculty, residency directors, young drs, current med students at drew/ucla and other schools, people, etc) look at it very negatively without knowing really anything, but that the place is having trouble. you have to hear them....i say, i like the drew/ucla prgroam, they say, "oohhh thats scary. i would stay away. i would keep my options open. i wouldnt touch it with a 10 foot pole." those are things that prof, med students, and drs tell me. its so sad. i know i shouldnt care about what others think. but here we are talking about our collegues. their opinion will matter to me for the rest of my life.

so what do you think? does the fact that the program is awesome out weight the bad rep?
 
is the drew/ucla program good? im talking in terms of curriculum and opportunities.

well the preclinical curriculum is done entirely at ucla, and it is brand new this year. so if the way you gauge a "good" curriculum is by board scores, we won't be able to find out until next year when the current ms1 take their test. for me personally, i had an oppotunity to sit in on some lectures and go to a pbl group and i really enjoyed the way the new curriculum is taught. in terms of opportunities, again, you have all the same opportunities as the ucla students (research, community work, special interest groups, etc.) plus the ones that drew offers.

but i understand your concern trojan2004. for me though, i don't really think much about it b/c it's not like drew has accepted me already, and despite interviewing and everything, i still think it's a long shot. if i get in, then i would be ecstatic, drop everything, send in my deposit, and happily look forward to PRIME. but this is just my opinion b/c for me, the benefits easily outweigh the negatives. w/ regards to matching, i'm not planning on going to a highly competitive specialty, and i would be more than content to match at mlk b/c i would love to continue to work in that community. i guess if people are concerned about the match, all you can do is wait until this years match list comes out, but that might not be an accurate representation of what the 2008 match list will be like b/c drew will most likely change quite a bit in four years, and we can only hope for the better. i'll add though that for the radiology residents that had to relocate this year, all of them were able to rematch at competitive places. not sure about surgery.

but what it really boils down to is how much you REALLY like drew and how happy you think you would be as a student there...and i don't think anyone should influence your opinion about that. for me, the choice is pretty easy, but i totally understand why others might be hesitant. just do your research, ask around, whatever, but make sure it's your own decision.

alright, i'm done feeling like a guidance counselor. sigh...getting old.
 
wonderful advice huh22. you really helped me out.

personally i know i want to be there over other schools. i really love it. usc has always been my top choice and drew second choice, but im really rethinking it. again, i want to be at drew. its just the "peer" pressure that is kinda bad. and like you said, there will be many many changes over the next 2 years when we would go back to drew and then in 3 or 4 years when we apply for residency. so its kinda hard to even say how what is happening now will play out in several years.

again, thanks, you really helped.
 
Originally posted by huh22
for me though, i don't really think much about it b/c it's not like drew has accepted me already, and despite interviewing and everything, i still think it's a long shot.

Hey huh22...why do you think that it's a long shot for you to get into Drew? If you already interviewed there, I think that you have a great shot at getting offered a seat! Did you interview in December or January? Well, keep your hopes up and have faith! :clap:

Good Luck!! :hardy:
 
any news yet?
 
I have to agree with 'huh' there. Drew/Ucla is a great program and its students are going to get the best of both schools. I understand that there are some problems but they shouldn't affect it when it comes to residency. However, I WOULD stay away from doing a residency at king/Drew hospital in either radiology or surgery. And as far as medical school curicculum is concerned they have a completely new block-based system learning in place right now. I especially love the 'maximum 2 hrs/day of lectures' and the P/F grading system. As for 3rd year rotations, my interviewer assured me that the problems should be fixed by the time our class gets to clinicals......and if they aren't we would be doing clinicals at other ucla hospitals like some of the present medical students are doing which is not so bad either.

So 'trojan', this info should probably help you decide which med school to pick.
 
Originally posted by trojan2004
any news yet?

No news yet? :rolleyes: I called them and they said no decisions have been made...either they're tellin' the truth or they just want us to wait and suffer!


ANY news for ANYONE post-interview??
 
when did u call?

good luck all.
 
I am bit surprised that Drew/UCLA is taking there sweet sweet time in making final decisions since the March 15th deadline is fast appoarching. By March 15th all medical school should issue enough acceptances to fill every single seat in their class. So there should be 24 accepantances going out pretty soon!!!!
 
not yet cuz my interview is this week, they are still interviewing.
 
Originally posted by Medbound2004
I am bit surprised that Drew/UCLA is taking there sweet sweet time in making final decisions since the March 15th deadline is fast appoarching. By March 15th all medical school should issue enough acceptances to fill every single seat in their class. So there should be 24 accepantances going out pretty soon!!!!

:wow: I didn't know that! Now, I'm even more anxious...I just keep thinking about the worst outcomes...

Anyway, Trojan I called them last week and they just basically told me to wait patiently for something in the mail...

I'll keep y'all updated...you all do the same also! :D
 
Medbound is absolutely right. They are obligated to accept atleast 24 students by the March 15th deadline set by the AAMC.

So SOMEBODY should be hearing from them soon. Infact, I will be calling them today to see what is going on.
 
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