Is Mid year worth it?

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I just got pay info on a job I've heard about on and off for a long time. Mind numbing work, but they do a ton of PRN shifts and pay $68/h :thumbup: Benefits or not, sounds like a pretty sweet gig.

I think I know where you are talking about...

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The hourly rate is meaningless without the hours guarantee. Was she a float? I'd take the hospital job just because you get better move-up potential (jump off to residency, move into a clinical role, etc...).

Also, benefits? Fully paid free health care + pension would make sense with $37/hr. Commute, QOL, and vacation time also are important questions.

True, with this hospital position, it looks like there is a ton of move-up potential since its a hybrid clinical position. Work 3-5 years, get a BCPS certification and go for the Clinical Pharmacy Coordinator job when a position opens up. It's a huge health-system so whenever there is an opening anywhere in the health system, it's very easy to request a transfer or apply for it.
 
The hourly rate is meaningless without the hours guarantee. Was she a float? I'd take the hospital job just because you get better move-up potential (jump off to residency, move into a clinical role, etc...).

Also, benefits? Fully paid free health care + pension would make sense with $37/hr. Commute, QOL, and vacation time also are important questions.

Yeah she was a floater at Target. I don't know anything about the hospital position though. I just know they only offer her $37 an hour.

I think I need to do a manage care residency...with all this stuff about being impossible to land a good job after graduation. I better do this residency...I'll apply for it at least. :xf:

It seems like the only jobs you can get without a residency is CVS, Walgreens or Rite Aid...and those are the three places I will not work at period...no matter what they are offering.
 
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True, with this hospital position, it looks like there is a ton of move-up potential since its a hybrid clinical position. Work 3-5 years, get a BCPS certification and go for the Clinical Pharmacy Coordinator job when a position opens up. It's a huge health-system so whenever there is an opening anywhere in the health system, it's very easy to request a transfer or apply for it.

You can always prn it and earn extra cash that way
 
Hey guys, I've been anti-residency personally since my P1 year and now I'm board exam passed/pre-actual license. I still do not regret my decision to avoid residency. For me personally, connections made during rotations, in real life and at conferences have carried me through to employment, and all these opportunities are giving me access to entry level big phrama jobs, one connection gives me access to a hospital job at a reputable and large HMO hospital, and one for CVS through a preceptor who loved me when I interned there. Still, it is hard to get in because I live in the highly impacted San Francisco bay area. I'm aware that all these positions could have been mine if I perhaps chose to get underpaid for a year through a residency.
However, I just became really sketched out by the methods in which my school and employers were trying to put residency on a pedestal. From what I could see, it was just additional rotations and you get paid only 50% of what you're worth. You're still subject to the whimsy of someone, perhaps they themselves are freshly freed from being a resident and have a chip on their shoulder.
I think people who have bought into the hype and aren't very interpersonally motivated will pursue the residency tract because it seems to be all academic. Would be interested to know who actually likes their program. Perhaps its just dependent, like rotations, on who has control over you? I know a guy doing managed care residency and is getting paid only 50K with benefits, but loves it. But managed care?! PBMs are causing the demise of pharmacy as a profession.
Who here skipped the residency tract and is working in clinical or industry settings with success?
 
Hey guys, I've been anti-residency personally since my P1 year and now I'm board exam passed/pre-actual license. I still do not regret my decision to avoid residency. For me personally, connections made during rotations, in real life and at conferences have carried me through to employment, and all these opportunities are giving me access to entry level big phrama jobs, one connection gives me access to a hospital job at a reputable and large HMO hospital, and one for CVS through a preceptor who loved me when I interned there. Still, it is hard to get in because I live in the highly impacted San Francisco bay area. I'm aware that all these positions could have been mine if I perhaps chose to get underpaid for a year through a residency.
However, I just became really sketched out by the methods in which my school and employers were trying to put residency on a pedestal. From what I could see, it was just additional rotations and you get paid only 50% of what you're worth. You're still subject to the whimsy of someone, perhaps they themselves are freshly freed from being a resident and have a chip on their shoulder.
I think people who have bought into the hype and aren't very interpersonally motivated will pursue the residency tract because it seems to be all academic. Would be interested to know who actually likes their program. Perhaps its just dependent, like rotations, on who has control over you? I know a guy doing managed care residency and is getting paid only 50K with benefits, but loves it. But managed care?! PBMs are causing the demise of pharmacy as a profession.
Who here skipped the residency tract and is working in clinical or industry settings with success?


to be fair it sounds like you went to UCSF so it makes sense employers were willing to hire you with no residency...students from other schools might have a more difficult time
 
Hey guys, I've been anti-residency personally since my P1 year and now I'm board exam passed/pre-actual license. I still do not regret my decision to avoid residency. For me personally, connections made during rotations, in real life and at conferences have carried me through to employment, and all these opportunities are giving me access to entry level big phrama jobs, one connection gives me access to a hospital job at a reputable and large HMO hospital, and one for CVS through a preceptor who loved me when I interned there. Still, it is hard to get in because I live in the highly impacted San Francisco bay area. I'm aware that all these positions could have been mine if I perhaps chose to get underpaid for a year through a residency.
However, I just became really sketched out by the methods in which my school and employers were trying to put residency on a pedestal. From what I could see, it was just additional rotations and you get paid only 50% of what you're worth. You're still subject to the whimsy of someone, perhaps they themselves are freshly freed from being a resident and have a chip on their shoulder.
I think people who have bought into the hype and aren't very interpersonally motivated will pursue the residency tract because it seems to be all academic. Would be interested to know who actually likes their program. Perhaps its just dependent, like rotations, on who has control over you? I know a guy doing managed care residency and is getting paid only 50K with benefits, but loves it. But managed care?! PBMs are causing the demise of pharmacy as a profession.
Who here skipped the residency tract and is working in clinical or industry settings with success?

Also keep in mind every situation is different and one should only do residency training if they have a career path in mind, not just to do one for the hell of it.

Not exactly what you are asking for, but I'll give my personal experiences with a twist to the question you are asking.

This is regarding working inthe clinical seetting with success.

Been a pharmacist for several (15) years, Did not do residency right away, but did themn about 5 years post-graduation.

A LOT more opportunities opened up for me after I did them. I'm not going to say it's right or wrong, just giving an example where residencies completely changed my career (for the better).

I've had 2 clinical specialist jobs over 10 years where I was hired over internal candidates who wanted the job. Why? My background. They even had PGY-1 training. One even had PGY-2 in pharmacotherapy. But it didn't matter.

My current position I would not have obtained without both my residencies and the skills, experience and accomplishments I acquired from my 2 previous positions. And those 2 previous positions would not have been available to me without residency training.

Granted my story will NOT apply to all situations and many successful pharmacists did not do residencies. However, I would not be where I am today without them and I started out during the pseudo-shortage. In today's job market, and with more and more graduates (and more and more residency trained people) IMO there will be some (not all) career paths completely shut (or VERY difficult to get into) to you if didn't do residency training.

Can people still be successful without them? Absolutely. And to reiterate an earlier point people who decide to do one should do it for a specific (or somewhat specific) career path in mind.

People of the anti-residency crowd, feel free to flame away, but it was my personal experience.
 
to be fair it sounds like you went to UCSF so it makes sense employers were willing to hire you with no residency...students from other schools might have a more difficult time

UCSF is not end all, do not buy into the propaganda.
 
UCSF is not end all, do not buy into the propaganda.

true but its a possible explanation since its well know ucsf students are well trained clinically so it makes sense they would be able to secure a hospital position w/o residency compared to other california schools
 
true but its a possible explanation since its well know ucsf students are well trained clinically so it makes sense they would be able to secure a hospital position w/o residency compared to other california schools

Once you been around here long enough you'll see your UCSF training can count against you. We aren't block trained like Touro so don't get that nice wholesome clinical pic training that their students get, our curricula completely lacks pediatrics - unless you proactively do electives you'll come out knowing nothing about peds patients. We have little to no compounding training so often employers look down on us for being lackluster in that area. Like I said don't buy into a propaganda. It is possible though - hopefully helps me this year. :)
 
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Your post count is crazy high for someone I don't recognize at all :confused:

Crazy ? I been here unlfficially for 6 years, officially for soon to be 5. :luck:
 
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LOL its b/c she changed her sn!!

dont underestimate the school you go to and what it means to hiring managers. be proud of yourself!! :luck:
 
Once you been around here long enough you'll see your UCSF training can count against you. We aren't block trained like Touro so don't get that nice wholesome clinical pic training that their students get, our curricula completely lacks pediatrics - unless you proactively do electives you'll come out knowing nothing about peds patients. We have little to no compounding training so often employers look down on us for being lackluster in that area. Like I said don't buy into a propaganda. It is possible though - hopefully helps me this year. :)

Correct. While the UCSF students I've worked with have been outstanding, they're not the holy redeemers of pharmacy and do have their faults/weaknesses.

I've so far worked with UOP, UCSF, Touro, and a random USC student and they're all on par with each other in terms of strengths/weaknesses.

I'd hire about 75% of the students I worked with so far (if I were in that position), or at least refer them. For 2 so far, I've offered a LOR/reference without their asking.

I figured this out early, but if you haven't already, this is how you get a job in the "new economy."
 
Correct. While the UCSF students I've worked with have been outstanding, they're not the holy redeemers of pharmacy and do have their faults/weaknesses.

I've so far worked with UOP, UCSF, Touro, and a random USC student and they're all on par with each other in terms of strengths/weaknesses.

I'd hire about 75% of the students I worked with so far (if I were in that position), or at least refer them. For 2 so far, I've offered a LOR/reference without their asking.

I figured this out early, but if you haven't already, this is how you get a job in the "new economy."
How do I get into residency in the new economy ? My GPA is crap but my rotation experiences are outstanding, I'll have 6 hard core acute care rotations vs 3-4 most of my classmates will have and my letters will be solid. I should mention that I have
Billion of ECs.
 
How do I get into residency in the new economy ? My GPA is crap but my rotation experiences are outstanding, I'll have 6 hard core acute care rotations vs 3-4 most of my classmates will have and my letters will be solid. I should mention that I have
Billion of ECs.

getting a residency has been the same process...except maybe you need to apply to 8-10 instead of the previous 4-5, but that's just to play the numbers.

excel in your rotations, get those awesome LOR's and back channel endorsements, make sure your letter of intent is spotless and doesn't sound like a studid/crappy/cheesy rehash of "i want to help people/push pharmacy forward."

you're on the right track with acute care comprising the bulk of your rotations.

cheburashka is that you??
 
How do I get into residency in the new economy ? My GPA is crap but my rotation experiences are outstanding, I'll have 6 hard core acute care rotations vs 3-4 most of my classmates will have and my letters will be solid. I should mention that I have
Billion of ECs.
That will make for a pretty long CV :laugh:

getting a residency has been the same process...except maybe you need to apply to 8-10 instead of the previous 4-5, but that's just to play the numbers.

excel in your rotations, get those awesome LOR's and back channel endorsements, make sure your letter of intent is spotless and doesn't sound like a studid/crappy/cheesy rehash of "i want to help people/push pharmacy forward."

you're on the right track with acute care comprising the bulk of your rotations.

cheburashka is that you??

Is that really cheburashka? The post count looks similar and I *think* the location was the same...

I've heard from a residency director that during the interview and/or letter of intent, you should maintain a patient-centric focus in your answers. While professional and ethically, I am patient-centric, I tend to be more hyped about the disease state than the patient. So I feel like I'd be flat out lying if I tried to sell myself the other way.
 
getting a residency has been the same process...except maybe you need to apply to 8-10 instead of the previous 4-5, but that's just to play the numbers.

excel in your rotations, get those awesome LOR's and back channel endorsements, make sure your letter of intent is spotless and doesn't sound like a studid/crappy/cheesy rehash of "i want to help people/push pharmacy forward."

you're on the right track with acute care comprising the bulk of your rotations.

cheburashka is that you??

At some point, if you have a sub 2.5 GPA, your rotations, awesome LOR's, back channel endorsements, and letter of intents won't matter at all. My uncle is chief of medicine at one of the VAs where I applied for residency, he couldn't do a thing to help me until the post-interview part of the decision making process.
 
At some point, if you have a sub 2.5 GPA, your rotations, awesome LOR's, back channel endorsements, and letter of intents won't matter at all. My uncle is chief of medicine at one of the VAs where I applied for residency, he couldn't do a thing to help me until the post-interview part of the decision making process.

I've decided that everyone should take a shot every time you mention how awesome you are but that your crap GPA kept you out of residency. That alone is enough for a daily buzz.
 
Most people on this forum are friends with me on Facebook so they know me. You dumb ass.

I use to attend an Ivy League school and I have gotten every single job I have ever interviewed for so that's really not a lie. I worked at many pharmacies over the summer and so forth.

You are the big idiot coming on here assuming things that you don't know. :laugh: That's how so you dumb ass. Not only are you really stupid but you also like to assume **** that you don't know. What a LOSER.

not sure if talks self up because low self esteem...or narcissist.

/fry squint
 
not sure if talks self up because low self esteem...or narcissist.

/fry squint

Low esteem? Never experience it. Talk self up? No, all that is true. :laugh: I am just insanely amazing in every single way! ;)
 
Here is the gospel.

Midyear is totally worth it for p4 looking at residency and party hard while blowing a grand.
Its also worth it for pharmacists only if someone else pays for the trip and golf.

Everyone else stay away.
 
Here is the gospel.

Midyear is totally worth it for p4 looking at residency and party hard while blowing a grand.
Its also worth it for pharmacists only if someone else pays for the trip and golf.

Everyone else stay away.

Look who decided to come out and play.
 
Here is the gospel.

Midyear is totally worth it for p4 looking at residency and party hard while blowing a grand.
Its also worth it for pharmacists only if someone else pays for the trip and golf.

Everyone else stay away.

I just took a look at the conference fee for pharmacists because I forgot there was a fee at all since our school paid for us last year, god damn. Airline (at least $300), hotel (at least $350), conference fee ($500), food ($200). God damn it. Almost $1500.

I'd have to pull another Texas hold em miracle. Last ASHP Midyear and last APhA Annual, which were both in New Orleans, I hit up Harrah's on my first day of the trip since I arrived early each time, went in with a $200 buy in, walked away with $1000+ each time. Absolutely have gotta love it when you have pocket aces and an ace hits the board and people think you are bluffing.
 
Midyear, my friend...

:smuggrin:

I will be there Sat through Wed AM.

I will complete 20+ hours of CE and diligently attend all the interesting CEs, pay attention and take notes.

I will stop by important booths and collect information to bring back to my organization for process improvement.

I will then combine what I learned and create a lecture series to inservice my local pharmacists.

It will be lights out at 8:30pm and reveille at 5:30am.

Yes I will !!

:smuggrin:
 
I will be there Sat through Wed AM.

I will complete 20+ hours of CE and diligently attend all the interesting CEs, pay attention and take notes.

I will stop by important booths and collect information to bring back to my organization for process improvement.

I will then combine what I learned and create a lecture series to inservice my local pharmacists.

It will be lights out at 8:30pm and reveille at 5:30am.

Yes I will !!

:smuggrin:

Then I will have to show you how its done.
 
I will be there Sat through Wed AM.

I will complete 20+ hours of CE and diligently attend all the interesting CEs, pay attention and take notes.

I will stop by important booths and collect information to bring back to my organization for process improvement.

I will then combine what I learned and create a lecture series to inservice my local pharmacists.

It will be lights out at 8:30pm and reveille at 5:30am.

Yes I will !!

:smuggrin:

I'll be there sat thru wed. No ce for me though. Be sure to come harass me at poster presentations.
 
If you're booking through ashp for Aria, Mon night is already sold out :( Since I couldn't get Aria, went for the second cheapest (as I hear luxor is a dump), NY NY.

How bad is it? This is where I was planning to stay since I'm poor. :p
 
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