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Vote in the poll, and let me know what you guys think! Pre-dents, dental students, residents, and practicing dentists all welcome to weigh in!
Not worried at all about the opening of Touro.
I am concerned about the high cost of dental education, however.
you can focus on OOS schools that grants in state after a year (Uconn, buffalo, UNLV, etc) those will give you below 300k for a dental education that you want
Thanks buddy! Those three are on my list. Any more you recommend?
When people graduate from Touro, do you think they will be moving to somewhere like rural South Dakota, where (I'm assuming) there is a need for dentists due to a lack of a dental school? Or do you think they will stay in New York?No proof of saturation of dentists across the united states.... You guys want the perfect world... graduate and go back to your hometown and work and make money. . . . . there are "Hometowns" with residents less privileged than you . .. . WHOM NEED DENTAL CARE.....
PROVE me wrong
BingoWhen people graduate from Touro, do you think they will be moving to somewhere like rural South Dakota, where (I'm assuming) there is a need for dentists due to a lack of a dental school? Or do you think they will stay in New York?
I've met a ton of people from NY and none of them want to live anywhere else. If I were in charge of Touro, I would have opened it in a state without a dental school. The number of dentists isn't necessarily the problem; it's where those dentists choose to practice
really?!? I didn't know about this. where did you hear/read about the opening of these schools? Also, assuming you are from Texas (UH Emblem), if Texas Tech does open another dental school, do you think it'll be very difficult for new dentists to find a place where there is hardly competition? I'm aware of big cities like Houston and San Antonio are saturated, but I'm thinking small towns like San Angelo, Laredo, Nacogdoches etc... are good locations to practice.I am concerned about the number of dental schools opening, no one expected Touro to open until it was stumbled upon mid last year. We were expecting Bluefield but got Touro.
We are expecting 5 more new schools to open including Texas Tech, UNM, ETSU, Western U, and Wisconsin. The game changer is that consumer habits are changing, decrease insurance reimbursement, expansion of corporate dental centers, higher student debt, fewer associate positions, and dentists are practising nearly a decade longer than before.
The opening of Touro is especially concerning in that if many did not expect the opening of Touro, it makes you wonder how easy it could possibly be to open a dental school and charge ridiculous amount of tuition and fees to oversaturate the field of dentistry.
I got it from the ADA round table presentation PowerPoint slide back in January 11, 2014. In fact, they said 15 schools will be opening including some that have recently opened.(http://www.medicaiddental.org/files/Other Files/Roundtable_Presentations/2014Roundtable_DentalPracticeTrendsPP.pdf)really?!? I didn't know about this. where did you hear/read about the opening of these schools? Also, assuming you are from Texas (UH Emblem), if Texas Tech does open another dental school, do you think it'll be very difficult for new dentists to find a place where there is hardly competition? I'm aware of big cities like Houston and San Antonio are saturated, but I'm thinking small towns like San Angelo, Laredo, Nacogdoches etc... are good locations to practice.
People in areas you mentioned are going to get dentists from Texas Tech because they'll charge reasonable tuition as a state school. Their debt won't pressure them to move to Austin, Dallas, Houston etc. They may go for other reasons but it won't be the debt.
Do you guys feel better about yourselves for talking down on other schools?
I'm not sure I understand the logic here. Why would a high debt load incentivize one to move to a more saturated area? If anything, I think it would be the opposite. Unless you mean those with more debt will be looking for corporate jobs, which are more prevalent in larger cities.
Found the guy applying to touro!Do you guys feel better about yourselves for talking down on other schools?
I do have to say their tuition, while high, is reasonable compared to some other private schools out there
Touro just cares about what can make them money. They're not looking to fill some void of providers. Interesting how a lot of the expansionist powers in the DO world are rapidly proliferating dental schools.When people graduate from Touro, do you think they will be moving to somewhere like rural South Dakota, where (I'm assuming) there is a need for dentists due to a lack of a dental school? Or do you think they will stay in New York?
I've met a ton of people from NY and none of them want to live anywhere else. If I were in charge of Touro, I would have opened it in a state without a dental school. The number of dentists isn't necessarily the problem; it's where those dentists choose to practice
Exactly.Touro just cares about what can make them money. They're not looking to fill some void of providers. Interesting how a lot of the expansionist powers in the DO world are rapidly proliferating dental schools.
Agreed. I'm just saying if I had been able to pick the location, New York would have been tied with California as my last choice. Obviously I haven't looked much into the costs and projected profits of opening a new dental school, but I would guess you could definitely still make a profit opening a school in a state that doesn't have one.Touro just cares about what can make them money. They're not looking to fill some void of providers. Interesting how a lot of the expansionist powers in the DO world are rapidly proliferating dental schools.
You totally could, but then they wouldn't have all those facilities that they already built for their DO school They're basically trying to double money on their investment by tacking as many professional programs onto one campus as they can.Agreed. I'm just saying if I had been able to pick the location, New York would have been tied with California as my last choice. Obviously I haven't looked much into the costs and projected profits of opening a new dental school, but I would guess you could definitely still make a profit opening a school in a state that doesn't have one.
I'm not from NY and don't know much about the area, but if the campus is indeed surrounded by affluence, I'd guess Touro would have a difficult time finding patients. Most people who can afford it will go to established dental practices instead of dental schools. Hmm. This will be interestingI lived down the road from the Valhalla campus and the last thing that this area needs is a dental school. Westchester county is one of the most affluent counties in the United States and there certainly is no shortage of care. All about the $$$.
Don't get me wrong that was a bit of a generalization; there are obviously areas that aren't too great. Just do a Google search and you'll see that for the most part, people are well off. I'd say within 15 minutes of the school you'd probably encounter far too many dental offices than one would like to see.I'm not from NY and don't know much about the area, but if the campus is indeed surrounded by affluence, I'd guess Touro would have a difficult time finding patients. Most people who can afford it will go to established dental practices instead of dental schools. Hmm. This will be interesting
I don't think that's necessarily true. Low income individuals (especially those who are un/under-employed) have the time and the motivation to travel for a discount. With how easy NY is to travel around publicly, they shouldn't have difficulty getting patients to come for subsidized careI'm not from NY and don't know much about the area, but if the campus is indeed surrounded by affluence, I'd guess Touro would have a difficult time finding patients. Most people who can afford it will go to established dental practices instead of dental schools. Hmm. This will be interesting
Being 20 minutes from Yonkers won't hurt them that's for sureI don't think that's necessarily true. Low income individuals (especially those who are un/under-employed) have the time and the motivation to travel for a discount. With how easy NY is to travel around publicly, they shouldn't have difficulty getting patients to come for subsidized care
I lived down the road from the Valhalla campus and the last thing that this area needs is a dental school. Westchester county is one of the most affluent counties in the United States and there certainly is no shortage of care. All about the $$$.
There's 10 new dental schools since I was a pre-dent in 2005. Many other schools increased class sizes.
Dental schools at prestigious universities like Northwestern, Georgetown an Emory have been replaced with schools like.... Touro. Rationalize it all you want, but it cheapens the profession.
Where does it end? Unfortunately it doesn't. ADA and CODA cannot restrict new schools from opening.
All the access to care and shortage talk is purely politics. There is no dentist shortage except in a few places like rural Alaska. Theres only a shortage of dentists willing to work for MEDICAID or certain plans. When you become dentists you'll understand why, and it's more then $$.
This access to care / dentist shortage talk will never, ever end. Even in places like CA they complain about it.
So yeah, you should be nervous. The sky isn't falling in dentistry, but things have been trending poorly for years. And look at what's happened to pharm, law, optometry, etc. All noble professions that have largely gone to **** because of a glut of grads.
If I am not already a dental student, I would definitely send my application towards touro. It will be ridiculous for you to not increase your chances because of your ego. Look at all the new dental school that have been opened within the last ten years and tell me which of them are producing graduates that are unable to come out to do dentistry like everyone else.Found the guy applying to touro!
Ah yes this makes sense, I agree.Well @arierosa pretty much summed up my reasoning. I meant to say high debt will drive people to move to areas that are not "underserved" in the traditional sense, i.e. poor rural areas, poorer sections of cities, where access to care is lower. I agree that high debt could drive a lot to corporate, but what I was trying to get at is people with high debt will definitely shy away from underserved areas that are poor, and while practicing in small to mid-sized rural town could be lucrative places for them , they are likely not well connected there and will take the risk averse option of employment in an area with which they are more familiar. They will want to get any job to start paying back the debt. I could be wrong of course but just wanted to clear up my reasoning behind the post
That's capitalism aka americaTouro just cares about what can make them money.