Ladies and Gentlemen... a Noob WW Game Thread!

[SkiOtter]

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That's from supernatural you cretin
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[SkiOtter]

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GET LYNCHING. I AM BORED
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ARE CDO BOB AND I TOO BORING FOR YOU

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[Bottle of Bear]

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Oh ski, not you too. See

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Omg you didn't. I sentence you to 5 seasons of SPN posthaste (11 if you're a masochist)
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[SkiOtter]

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GET LYNCHING. I AM BORED
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but yes, ITS NOON HERE. ITS LUNCH TIME
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[Bottle of Bear]

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ARE CDO BOB AND I TOO BORING FOR YOU

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The dead are taking back the circus. Death to the living
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[Trilt]

Dead please shut up. It should not be difficult for the living to find their content.

 

[Bottle of Bear]

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but yes, ITS NOON HERE. ITS LUNCH TIME
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It's Lynch time
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[deleted806434]

Just for another discussion point: I think we have discussed several times that BoB supported kitten, but we should probably talk about BoB supporting SAR as well. If we have, well geez I'm just having a hard time keeping up with every conversation (sorry). Food for thought.....

...I believe SAR, and both Ski and even DocS brought up some good points justifying her actions...

I believe this might have been after SAR was giving a not so strong defense on Tuesday (after having a not so insignificant 4 votes against her), but I will have to go back and check.

I don't know. My gut still thinks that Dr-S is sketchy. Also have been on record for doubting BoB in the past. Like I said before, I don't want to throw another villager under the bus accidentally. But lynching me will be a villager. I can prove it through revealing what I have done for villagers so far in the game, but I'll hold that for now unless I'm about to be lynched

Not gonna lie this sounds kinda wolfy.

...I'm not big on guarantees but I believe SAR. She hasn't done much to help solve but she also hasn't tried to lead us away...

This could be the same "speak enough to not be suspicious, but not to be too strategic either" we have caught two wolves on. These posts are chronological, so why would BoB come out AGAIN to say they support SAR after SAR supposedly "doubts" BoB?

 

[SARdoghandler]

Just for another discussion point: I think we have discussed several times that BoB supported kitten, but we should probably talk about BoB supporting SAR as well. If we have, well geez I'm just having a hard time keeping up with every conversation (sorry). Food for thought.....

I believe this might have been after SAR was giving a not so strong defense on Tuesday (after having a not so insignificant 4 votes against her), but I will have to go back and check.

Not gonna lie this sounds kinda wolfy.

This could be the same "speak enough to not be suspicious, but not to be too strategic either" we have caught two wolves on. These posts are chronological, so why would BoB come out AGAIN to say they support SAR after SAR supposedly "doubts" BoB?

I have no idea why BoB was defending me that day. However, I believe my defense was fairly strong. I gave everything I could short of role revealing and I believe the general consensus was that I was believed. I voted to lynch BoB early on D2 when there wasn't a ton of suspicion on them based on a gut feeling (went back and double checked, and yes it seems my lynch was based on just a sketched out gut feeling). That seems like a pretty ****ty wolf strategy, bringing attention to another wolf? I don't know, I just wish you all would look somewhere else for a while. Karabiner was on the right track about me, I believe, if you look back through some of their recent posts.

 

[deleted806434]

I have no idea why BoB was defending me that day. However, I believe my defense was fairly strong. I gave everything I could short of role revealing and I believe the general consensus was that I was believed. I voted to lynch BoB early on D2 when there wasn't a ton of suspicion on them based on a gut feeling (went back and double checked, and yes it seems my lynch was based on just a sketched out gut feeling). That seems like a pretty ****ty wolf strategy, bringing attention to another wolf? I don't know, I just wish you all would look somewhere else for a while. Karabiner was on the right track about me, I believe, if you look back through some of their recent posts.

That sounded harsher then I meant it, I should have said that I was not convinced by your defense on Tuesday but thought your defense was 10x better yesterday. I forget what you said, but that's how I felt when I read it.

I'm just trying to get conversations going because it worked out well yesterday calling out individual people.

 

[SARdoghandler]

Just for another discussion point: I think we have disAcussed several times that BoB supported kitten, but we should probably talk about BoB supporting SAR as well. If we have, well geez I'm just having a hard time keeping up with every conversation (sorry). Food for thought.....
I believe this might have been after SAR was giving a not so strong defense on Tuesday (after having a not so insignificant 4 votes against her), but I will have to go back and check.
Not gonna lie this sounds kinda wolfy.
This could be the same "speak enough to not be suspicious, but not to be too strategic either" we have caught two wolves on. These posts are chronological, so why would BoB come out AGAIN to say they support SAR after SAR supposedly "doubts" BoB?

Also, just to remind you that you defended H&H pretty vociferously the other day. If you find me suspicious because BoB defended me, that also reflects rather poorly on you for being the only one to defend the other confirmed wolf.

 

[SARdoghandler]

That sounded harsher then I meant it, I should have said that I was not convinced by your defense on Tuesday but thought your defense was 10x better yesterday. I forget what you said, but that's how I felt when I read it.

I'm just trying to get conversations going because it worked out well yesterday calling out individual people.

Ninja'ed. Alright, I can understand that reasoning then.

 

[deleted806434]

Also, just to remind you that you defended H&H pretty vociferously the other day. If you find me suspicious because BoB defended me, that also reflects rather poorly on you for being the only one to defend the other confirmed wolf.

I know I'm a villager, so naturally I looked into your posts when you called me out yesterday. I accept this as a valid point and understand why you think this. However I was suspect of HH earlier in the day. I do have people that can vouch of my "private" conversation(s) about doubting HH, but unfortunately one was killed already.

But I do want to add that the wolves didn't kill me last night. Probs because they expect you villagers to kill me today lol

 

[deleted806434]

Who are you worried about (in addition to me), SAR? Maybe we share some concerns?

 

[SARdoghandler]

I know I'm a villager, so naturally I looked into your posts when you called me out yesterday. I accept this as a valid point and understand why you think this. However I was suspect of HH earlier in the day. I do have people that can vouch of my "private" conversation(s) about doubting HH, but unfortunately one was killed already.

But I do want to add that the wolves didn't kill me last night. Probs because they expect you villagers to kill me today lol

Alright, so if we operate (for now) on the assumption that you are a villager and I am a villager, who should we be looking at today? I mentioned yesterday, I believe, that I was still suspect of mmmdreamz (gut feeling, nothing concrete), and Snowshoe (for some wolfish things said, though she (?) defended herself)

 

[Doctor-S]

... we should probably talk about BoB supporting SAR as well.

That is my point; and my point began with Post #2456 and 2457 above.

I am wondering why SAR was supportive of BOB (a wolf)?

 

[SARdoghandler]

That is my point; and my point began with Post #2456 and 2457 above.

I am wondering why SAR was supportive of BOB (a wolf)?

Again, PLEASE provide a specific example. I do not believe I ever supported BoB. Yes, BoB supported me but that is not something I can control.

 

[deleted806434]

That is my point; and my point began with Post #2456 and 2457 above.

I am wondering why SAR was supportive of BOB (a wolf)?

I saw your posts, sorry I didn't acknowledge it. I was trying to build off of your posts 🙂

I'm going to go search for what you are talking about. I'm not sure how much support I saw from SAR for BoB, I thought it was the other way around? Am I wrong?

 

[deleted806434]

Alright, so if we operate (for now) on the assumption that you are a villager and I am a villager, who should we be looking at today? I mentioned yesterday, I believe, that I was still suspect of mmmdreamz (gut feeling, nothing concrete), and Snowshoe (for some wolfish things said, though she (?) defended herself)

I already called out sheltermed and snowshoe earlier to ask a question (simply to field their responses), but looks like it might be a while before they respond so we can talk about other people you are concerned about.

 

[Doctor-S]

SAR, your lynch votes seemed to go along with BOB's lynch votes.

To me, it seemed as if there was a pattern related to BOB - as if you were aiding or siding with BOB?

 

[Doctor-S]

I'd also like to hear from @LyraGardenia?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I'm just going to throw out some questions I have from looking at my spreadsheet. These are not accusations, I just want to hear the responses.

@sheltermed, you voted for both BoB and HH before they were outed as wolves. While this screams villager in one respect, can you explain why the wolves didn't feel the need to kill you off?

Same question to you @SnowshoeDog143 because you voted for HH twice before they were outed.

Forgive me if there are errors in my spreadsheet and please correct me if so.

I was actually surprised I made it through the night. My thoughts are that I was the other lynch option yesterday so now that h&h is gone, I have a good chance at getting lynched today which would let a wolf live. The other reason would be because Ski found out through a PM that someone was a wolf so they killed her before she could tell us.

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR, your lynch votes seemed to go along with BOB's lynch votes.

To me, it seemed as if there was a pattern related to BOB - as if you were aiding or siding with BOB?

To be honest, I waffle all over the place most days. I can hardly remember who all I've chosen to lynch at any given time. I think the only times BoB and I lynched together was Hyge (which was a chaos role, and most of us voted for them) and when we both voted to lynch you (which you will note, since BoB was killed I have not once voted to lynch you because since they were so eager to see you gone, I've revised my opinion of you and decided you're just an odd villager type). Again, I will reiterate, I actually voted to lynch BoB for part of D2.

 

[deleted806434]

SAR, your lynch votes seemed to go along with BOB's lynch votes.

To me, it seemed as if there was a pattern related to BOB - as if you were aiding or siding with BOB?

I noticed a pattern (I think the same one you are referring to) with T-Painda's votes and BoB's as well (same votes mirrored on D2, D3, both for you and jmo). It could be coincidence though.

 

[deleted806434]

I was actually surprised I made it through the night. My thoughts are that I was the other lynch option yesterday so now that h&h is gone, I have a good chance at getting lynched today which would let a wolf live. The other reason would be because Ski found out through a PM that someone was a wolf so they killed her before she could tell us.

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm surprised that they killed Coopah for a second time instead of killing you. Because if you were a villager you were onto HH pretty well

 

[LetItSnow]

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[SnowshoeDog143]

Okay, I honestly haven't look through the posts from today because I just got home from work, but my big thought is this: wouldn't BoB be the most likely place to go when trying to decide who is/isn't a wolf? Maybe he was really good at trying to mix it up and lynch villagers and wolfs equally, but I feel like a wolf would at least put some effort into defending other wolfs?

There's about three or four posts where BoB tried to defend kittens when some were wanting to lynch her? Any thoughts guys?

I'm inclined to believe kittens, mostly because BoB made some comment like "I told you guys she was innocent." Which, he would know because he was a wolf. I don't know what to think. I feel like BoB would not have just defended villagers, as well

The fact that everyone is voting for h&h is the only thing that makes me doubt...shouldn't wolves be trying to save him?

So now that my intuition was towards BYOB and H&h and they were both wolves I'm back on the triple m train. It seems like mmmdrmz wanted to accuse Kitz. What if the wolves each supported a villager so that if the wolf died the hope would be to get people thinking the villager was a wolf because they had a wolves support? Also I am confused at this third quote. And the last quote looks like a last min effort to save h&h

 

[kittenmittens524]

So now that my intuition was towards BYOB and H&h and they were both wolves I'm back on the triple m train. It seems like mmmdrmz wanted to accuse Kitz. What if the wolves each supported a villager so that if the wolf died the hope would be to get people thinking the villager was a wolf because they had a wolves support? Also I am confused at this third quote. And the last quote looks like a last min effort to save h&h

I agree with that. I want to hear from mdream today about some of these comments.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I guess what I'm saying is that I'm surprised that they killed Coopah for a second time instead of killing you. Because if you were a villager you were onto HH pretty well

I don't think I was on to him "very well" at all. I had a bad feeling, but then he started posting more with more insightful comments and so I started to believe he was innocent until I found out BYOB was a wolf and I had done the same thing with her (bad feeling and not great posts to her posting got better and not suspicious). I voted for him after the kittens reveal just because he was a backup plan which he probably thought too because it was at the last sec. Then D3 or (D4?) I didn't vote for him (BTW if my days are off I apologize I forgot what day we are on now) So until yesterday I doubt I looked that much like I was on to him.

 

[deleted806434]

So now that my intuition was towards BYOB and H&h and they were both wolves I'm back on the triple m train. It seems like mmmdrmz wanted to accuse Kitz. What if the wolves each supported a villager so that if the wolf died the hope would be to get people thinking the villager was a wolf because they had a wolves support? Also I am confused at this third quote. And the last quote looks like a last min effort to save h&h

It would be weird if we didn't question people that known wolves have defended in the past, so I have to side with mmm on this one. And I brought up similar points about SAR today. Not because I necessarily think SAR is a wolf, but because it is naturally weird when a wolf defends you.

I also don't think a wolf would swoop in that late to try to save HH, but I could be wrong. I have more of a feeling there are wolves in the initial group of votes for HH yesterday instead.

 

[LyraGardenia]

RIP SkiOtter. 🙁 I'm not sure who I suspect at this point, but I still feel like we shouldn't overlook @sheltermed.

LyraGardenia also seemed to back-up wolfy-type characters.

For that reason, I hope we also hear something from her today.

Do you have an example? I expressed suspicions of both BoB and h&h early on, and voted to lynch them both even before we had anything solid to go on and everyone else jumped on the bandwagon. I know I was suspicious of you earlier, but I've since changed my mind.

 

[deleted806434]

I don't think I was on to him "very well" at all. I had a bad feeling, but then he started posting more with more insightful comments and so I started to believe he was innocent until I found out BYOB was a wolf and I had done the same thing with her (bad feeling and not great posts to her posting got better and not suspicious). I voted for him after the kittens reveal just because he was a backup plan which he probably thought too because it was at the last sec. Then D3 or (D4?) I didn't vote for him (BTW if my days are off I apologize I forgot what day we are on now) So until yesterday I doubt I looked that much like I was on to him.

sounds like I might have a vote of yours wrong, let me go check

 

[kittenmittens524]

Has anyone cast a lynch vote yet?

I'm gonna go with one of my first guesses because I should have stuck with BYOB even though she started acting less sketchy.

Lynch h&h

This makes sense, and I've also been suspicious of h&h for a while, along with BoB.

Lynch h&h

Lynch H&H

I've been looking through the posts and agree h/h looks sketchy. Especially the very last minute switch to BoB

Lynch H/H

Lynch H&H

I'm just noting that my post was complete speculation. I could be wrong and I'm worried the village will hold it against me if we're wrong. I think I'm going to wait to hear from HH because I don't particularly like the bandwagon that is happening so quickly right now.

I think we're all on the speculation-boat here. But I feel like we have more "evidence" (weak though it may be) for H&H than anyone else.

So, for now I'll vote (though always with my right to waffle haha)

lynch H&H

Just got back from lunch. I'm still interested in hearing from (or about) other players who haven't commented much or haven't made substantial posts, but I'll vote.

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I'm also willing to waffle once we hear from H&H, but wanted to get a vote out so hopefully there aren't scrambled eggs later.

Fair enough. For now...

lynch H&H

This will hopefully get more info out of H&H and it has been a "go-to" vote on more than one occasion here, which must mean something.

Guys the fact that so many people jumped on HH for no big reason concerns me. The wolves are obviously okay with this vote. BoB was different because there was such hard evidence against them.

I'm just going to lynch someone else that jumped very quickly on my HH post. I just have a bad feeling about how this vote is going with complete agreement. I may change back to HH though because that was my original feeling

lynch snowshoe

No, I think you're right. Sorry kitten. I know you aren't a threat, either, so don't worry. Apparently that comment stuck with me.

I'm really not sold on staying with H&H. It seems like the agreeable path of least resistance to take and we will probably pay for it.

Unlynch H&H

No one is defending H&H. I think that's kind of weird too. Wolves wouldn't let one of their own go THAT easily after losing one yesterday... So Unlynch H&H

you're right h/h my reasoning is poor but I agree with the points that have been made. You did address them well but I'm still not fully convinced. You seemed happier to attack those voting for you than to bring someone else up for consideration or tell us how you have contributed. However, serher makes a good point that this seems too easy like the wolves are leading us to this. For now I will

unlynch h/h

I am quoting these in order of the people that started the vote for H&H and how it continued after the first waffle. Though no one readily defended H&H last night, players did change their mind after H&H got the majority of the votes. If I left out quotes let me know, I just thought it would be helpful to try and summarize since a lot happened in a short period of time last night

 

[deleted806434]

I don't think I was on to him "very well" at all. I had a bad feeling, but then he started posting more with more insightful comments and so I started to believe he was innocent until I found out BYOB was a wolf and I had done the same thing with her (bad feeling and not great posts to her posting got better and not suspicious). I voted for him after the kittens reveal just because he was a backup plan which he probably thought too because it was at the last sec. Then D3 or (D4?) I didn't vote for him (BTW if my days are off I apologize I forgot what day we are on now) So until yesterday I doubt I looked that much like I was on to him.

You voted HH D2 and D3. I understand your reasons for changing from kittens on D2. I just would've expected the wolves to be more concerned about you after voting HH twice, that's all. Thanks for your responses.

 

[deleted806434]

I am quoting these in order of the people that started the vote for H&H and how it continued after the first waffle. Though no one readily defended H&H last night, players did change their mind after H&H got the majority of the votes. If I left out quotes let me know, I just thought it would be helpful to try and summarize since a lot happened in a short period of time last night

From what I mentioned earlier on this page, the votes that would concern me the most would be the votes after those first 5 or so votes within 10ish minutes. I don't remember the exact timing, but it was quick. I bet at that moment (and later) wolves would consider that the opportunity for saving HH was gone.

 

[deleted806434]

(add on) although it's possible wolves are in the first group, and it's possible wolves came to vote for HH later in the day

 

[Doctor-S]

Right now, I am inclined to believe kittenmittens ... although I could be wrong.

Kittenmittens was also recently defended by SkiOtter (a now dead good villager) in the past who is a dead good villaso that might also be useful to remember. [see Post #2208]

 

[kittenmittens524]

From what I mentioned earlier on this page, the votes that would concern me the most would be the votes after those first 5 or so votes within 10ish minutes. I don't remember the exact timing, but it was quick. I bet at that moment (and later) wolves would consider that the opportunity for saving HH was gone.

Yesterday you were concerned about snowshoe, who was the first person to vote to lynch H&H. Do you think that the lynch was started by another wolf?

 

[Doctor-S]

I think the wolves didn't save HH for that reason - because they knew HH was well on his way to being lynched by the villagers by the end of yesterday (D4).

Speaking about HH ... I know he outed himself as a wolf to everyone at the end of D4.

When HH outed himself as a wolf, he told everyone there were "5 wolves" remaining in this game.

Is that a believable number of remaining wolves (i.e., 5 wolves, after HH is killed), or was HH simply lying to us to mislead us about the remaining number of wolves?

 

[deleted806434]

Yesterday you were concerned about snowshoe, who was the first person to vote to lynch H&H. Do you think that the lynch was started by another wolf?

No probably not, that would be strange to me. That's why I said I'm mainly concerned about the votes that followed the first 4-5 or so.

HH being a wolf definitely lessened my suspicions of snowy being a wolf tremendously. I just had some questions I wanted to ask snowy today simply to see their response.

 

[SARdoghandler]

After yesterday, my gut is feeling pretty suspicious of mmmdreamz and serher. Just about everyone else I can point at at least one thing that is pretty non-wolfy.

For now, going to put in a lynch vote (keep the spectators happy, right guys? haha)

lynch mmmdreamz

 

[deleted806434]

I think the wolves didn't save HH for that reason - because they knew HH was well on his way to being lynched by the villagers by the end of yesterday (D4).

Speaking about HH ... I know he outed himself as a wolf to everyone at the end of D4.

When HH outed himself as a wolf, he told everyone there were "5 wolves" remaining in this game.

Is that a believable number of remaining wolves (i.e., 5 wolves, after HH is killed), or was HH simply lying to us to mislead us about the remaining number of wolves?

I assumed HH was lying. There should be around 2 wolves left, and possibly more if conversions have happened. Not sure if that would be in a noob game or not...

 

[deleted806434]

After yesterday, my gut is feeling pretty suspicious of mmmdreamz and serher. Just about everyone else I can point at at least one thing that is pretty non-wolfy.

For now, going to put in a lynch vote (keep the spectators happy, right guys? haha)

lynch mmmdreamz

I think mmm works during the week so they won't be here until way later to defend themselves. But I respect your opinion. I just think it would be a strange strategy for the only two "wolves" remaining to be the only two people to defend HH yesterday. Pretty stupid to me lol

 

[SARdoghandler]

I think mmm works during the week so they won't be here until way later to defend themselves. But I respect your opinion. I just think it would be a strange strategy for the only two "wolves" remaining to be the only two people to defend HH yesterday. Pretty stupid to me lol

For sure, I am a master waffler so I may still change my vote once (or twice). But I never know if something might happen to pull me away from my computer prior to lynch, so I like to get at least an initial one in early

 

[Doctor-S]

I think mmm works during the week so they won't be here until way later to defend themselves. But I respect your opinion. I just think it would be a strange strategy for the only two "wolves" remaining to be the only two people to defend HH yesterday. Pretty stupid to me lol

I'm still confused - especially since everyone is frantically posting comments lightning-quick at the end of each day - sorry!

How do we know that there are only two wolves remaining in this game?

Should we be looking for two wolves right now?

 

[SARdoghandler]

I'm still confused - especially since everyone is frantically posting comments lightning-quick at the end of each day - sorry!

How do we know that there are only two wolves remaining in this game?

Should we be looking for two wolves right now?

As far as I know, we don't know how many wolves are remaining, so that comment might be pretty suspicious. My best guess is that there were 3 or 4 at the start of the game, backed up by LIS on D1 saying he thought there were 4 but 3 was also possible. As far as I know, other than H&H comments (which I don't trust), there are no other clues as to how many wolves are actually left.

 

[deleted806434]

I'm still confused - especially since everyone is frantically posting comments lightning-quick at the end of each day - sorry!

How do we know that there are only two wolves remaining in this game?

Should we be looking for two wolves right now?

I will clarify. It is very good that we are already getting lynch votes early in today. I just meant that if mmm ends up being a frontrunner in the tally, they aren't going to be here to defend themselves for a while (assuming they are working today). So please cast lynch votes, I just meant that we might not hear a defense until later.

LIS speculated there being 4 wolves on Day 1, and we have killed 2. Since he has experience with WW, I just thought going off of his estimate was the best bet. The number of wolves is based on the number of villagers in the game (I think).

 

[deleted806434]

As far as I know, we don't know how many wolves are remaining, so that comment might be pretty suspicious. My best guess is that there were 3 or 4 at the start of the game, backed up by LIS on D1 saying he thought there were 4 but 3 was also possible. As far as I know, other than H&H comments (which I don't trust), there are no other clues as to how many wolves are actually left.

Nooooo I was purely going off of LIS's estimate from earlier in the game. omg

 

[deleted806434]

Do you guys really think there are still 4 wolves left? 3 maybe, but I really think 4 is pushing it.

 

[deleted806434]

SAR, how aggressively you are making assumptions from my posts is concerning me.