Ladies and Gentlemen... a Noob WW Game Thread!

[deleted806434]

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Alright. 2 of the 4 wolves are obvious.

Btw, the defense "If I were a wolf, I would never do X" may work for a n00b game but would never work elsewhere.

***unlynch whomever***

***lynch BottleBear***

4 is a best guess.

The other 2 are probably just playing quiet.

for reference

 

[kittenmittens524]

I think we shouldn't assume anything about number of wolves at this point, since no one has any evidence other than assumptions. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, since someone may have an ability that allows them to discern a more accurate number. We should just focus on each lynch on a "wolf-by-wolf" basis instead of trying to assume how many wolves we have left to lynch. At this point, we just need to make arguments against people that have given cause for suspicion.

 

[deleted806434]

I think we shouldn't assume anything about number of wolves at this point, since no one has any evidence other than assumptions. Correct me if I'm wrong on this, since someone may have an ability that allows them to discern a more accurate number. We should just focus on each lynch on a "wolf-by-wolf" basis instead of trying to assume how many wolves we have left to lynch. At this point, we just need to make arguments against people that have given cause for suspicion.

Good point. Besides mmm, anyone you are worried about kitten?

 

[mmmdreamerz]

So now that my intuition was towards BYOB and H&h and they were both wolves I'm back on the triple m train. It seems like mmmdrmz wanted to accuse Kitz. What if the wolves each supported a villager so that if the wolf died the hope would be to get people thinking the villager was a wolf because they had a wolves support? Also I am confused at this third quote. And the last quote looks like a last min effort to save h&h

Nahhh not a last minute attempt to save h&h. Just trying to look at it from all angles. You'll notice right before that I pointed out that he would also know there are four wolves left if he too was a wolf. You've been pretty willing to accuse me of wolfery without much, though....I am very much a villager.

(Typing this on my brief lunch)

 

[SARdoghandler]

SAR, how aggressively you are making assumptions from my posts is concerning me.

I don't know how saying things like 'might be suspicious' is coming off as super aggressive, but if you want to interpret it that way then that's fine. I'm more just pointing out things that could be construed as misinformation, inconsistencies, or other patterns. Much like you were doing to me earlier today.

 

[kittenmittens524]

Good point. Besides mmm, anyone you are worried about kitten?

I would like to hear from wallydo and karabean about their reasoning for changing their mind on H&H. I know people didn't like that we all jumped on H&H at the same time, but it still is important to note who tried to stop the kill train.

 

[kittenmittens524]

And not to be annoyingly demanding, but it would be nice if someone could explain why they switched and who they were suspicious of after they switched. I know that "us all agreeing" is going to be the common response for why people waffled, but if the agreement made you suspicious, why? and who did you think was next in the running? In my opinion villager agreement isn't a good enough reason.

 

[deleted806434]

I don't know how saying things like 'might be suspicious' is coming off as super aggressive, but if you want to interpret it that way then that's fine. I'm more just pointing out things that could be construed as misinformation, inconsistencies, or other patterns. Much like you were doing to me earlier today.

Okay so maybe I am not the best about determining the connotations of posts lol. Sorry. But I am not the first person to mention your name. Someone did mention my name, but my only open supporter thus far (raf) was killed soon after. Why would wolves kill off a villager who is supporting a "wolf"?

I will defend myself more if my name is mentioned by other people.

 

[deleted806434]

I would like to hear from wallydo and karabean about their reasoning for changing their mind on H&H. I know people didn't like that we all jumped on H&H at the same time, but it still is important to note who tried to stop the kill train.

I bet they will blame it on me but I still want to hear their reasoning lol

 

[Karabiner13]

I would like to hear from wallydo and karabean about their reasoning for changing their mind on H&H. I know people didn't like that we all jumped on H&H at the same time, but it still is important to note who tried to stop the kill train.

Just getting on now. As for why I unlynched h/h, I did not do it to stop the kill train but to merely give h/h a chance to convince us of someone else to lynch. I was hesitant to do so but serher had made a good point that I had not considered. Right after I had mentioned who I was suspicious of in addition to h/h (shelter and killer I think). I didn’t vote for those two because I waited to hear from them and compared to h/h, there wasn’t as much reason to vote for them (h/h really dug a good hole). I then returned to my original vote.

 

[kittenmittens524]

I bet they will blame it on me but I still want to hear their reasoning lol

Did you have suspicions of anyone else or were you just concerned because of the agreement? I'm not saying that you didn't, I just can't remember either way

 

[deleted806434]

Did you have suspicions of anyone else or were you just concerned because of the agreement? I'm not saying that you didn't, I just can't remember either way

I had mainly been between snowy and HH for the vote that day. I figured lynching one would give us some information, since snowy had voted for HH twice previously. I had been talking about HH more in pm than I had on this thread, which I now regret, but HH was where I was going to place my vote after I made that post that several of you guys liked. It turns out my original thoughts were right, but I honestly just thought the votes for HH all within ten minutes (without solid evidence) were too good to be true. Turns out I was wrong about that, but it isn't like other villagers have been wrong about past votes.

 

[deleted806434]

*it isn't like villagers haven't been wrong about past votes

 

[Karabiner13]

To add to the discussion, does anyone else find it odd the number of times we think someone will be killed off only to have that not be the case? I know this has led us to believe they are villagers but could the wolves be using this against us?

 

[kaydubs]

Lynch Tally (D6):
Mmmm (1) - SAR

1/12 accounted for
Deadline 9pm EST (5.25h away)

 

[SkiOtter]

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[deleted806434]

To add to the discussion, does anyone else find it odd the number of times we think someone will be killed off only to have that not be the case? I know this has led us to believe they are villagers but could the wolves be using this against us?

I've definitely thought about this. It's so hard to decide when we're right and wrong when it comes to things like this...

Who have we done that for? DrS, kitten... who else? Although I'm still pretty confident about DrS not being a wolf. Unless conversions have occurred.

 

[kaydubs]

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😍 Maurice Moss 😍

 

[LyraGardenia]

To add to the discussion, does anyone else find it odd the number of times we think someone will be killed off only to have that not be the case? I know this has led us to believe they are villagers but could the wolves be using this against us?

Do you mean like killerleaf after she gave us a big win by outing BoB? I do think it's a little surprising that she wasn't killed again after that, but she was obviously telling the truth, so I'm not sure what to make of it.

I had mainly been between snowy and HH for the vote that day. I figured lynching one would give us some information, since snowy had voted for HH twice previously. I had been talking about HH more in pm than I had on this thread, which I now regret, but HH was where I was going to place my vote after I made that post that several of you guys liked. It turns out my original thoughts were right, but I honestly just thought the votes for HH all within ten minutes (without solid evidence) were too good to be true. Turns out I was wrong about that, but it isn't like other villagers have been wrong about past votes.

This comment makes me curious and a little suspicious. Maybe more people have PM-related abilities than I thought, but so far I've only been able to PM with my mentor and the mods. I feel like I'm a lot more in the dark than most people!

 

[deleted806434]

Do you mean like killerleaf after she gave us a big win by outing BoB? I do think it's a little surprising that she wasn't killed again after that, but she was obviously telling the truth, so I'm not sure what to make of it.

This comment makes me curious and a little suspicious. Maybe more people have PM-related abilities than I thought, but so far I've only been able to PM with my mentor and the mods. I feel like I'm a lot more in the dark than most people!

Considering someone just got killed with a pm ability, I think you are right that more people have that ability than you think. There also could be items that allow you to pm. I'm not sure why that was suspicious.

 

[LyraGardenia]

I've definitely thought about this. It's so hard to decide when we're right and wrong when it comes to things like this...

Who have we done that for? DrS, kitten... who else? Although I'm still pretty confident about DrS not being a wolf. Unless conversions have occurred.

I'm also confident Doctor S is a villager, mainly because BoB wanted to lynch her. Kittens I'm pretty confident is a villager too even after her role reveal, because I agree that the wolves may be keeping her alive because she could accidentally give them a helpful item.

 

[LyraGardenia]

Considering someone just got killed with a pm ability, I think you are right that more people have that ability than you think. There also could be items that allow you to pm. I'm not sure why that was suspicious.

I guess surprising is more the right word.

 

[Karabiner13]

I've definitely thought about this. It's so hard to decide when we're right and wrong when it comes to things like this...

Who have we done that for? DrS, kitten... who else? Although I'm still pretty confident about DrS not being a wolf. Unless conversions have occurred.

I guess it's just DrS, kitten, and killer. Although snowshoe mentioned she was surprised to make it through the night. I agree they are more likely villagers but wanted to put it out there

 

[deleted806434]

I'm also confident Doctor S is a villager, mainly because BoB wanted to lynch her. Kittens I'm pretty confident is a villager too even after her role reveal, because I agree that the wolves may be keeping her alive because she could accidentally give them a helpful item.

I feel the same way about kitten. But what were some of the items that would be helpful to wolves again? I forget what we had brainstormed in the past. Because the ability to seer and be protected from overnight kills obviously wouldn't help them that much haha

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I am quoting these in order of the people that started the vote for H&H and how it continued after the first waffle. Though no one readily defended H&H last night, players did change their mind after H&H got the majority of the votes. If I left out quotes let me know, I just thought it would be helpful to try and summarize since a lot happened in a short period of time last night

If you read through all the messages posted serher seems pretty suspicious. But I feel like she can be trusted. Can anyone vouch for her?

Nahhh not a last minute attempt to save h&h. Just trying to look at it from all angles. You'll notice right before that I pointed out that he would also know there are four wolves left if he too was a wolf. You've been pretty willing to accuse me of wolfery without much, though....I am very much a villager.

(Typing this on my brief lunch)

I know triple m, I'm sorry I'm always accusing you. You have said a few things especially D3 which almost convinced me you were a villager but then yesterday I wasn't sure again. And I'm sure you and ser are just playing devils advocate which I've done the same and have also been accused of wolfery about. I need to read though your posts again today before I make a decision.

 

[kittenmittens524]

I'm also confident Doctor S is a villager, mainly because BoB wanted to lynch her. Kittens I'm pretty confident is a villager too even after her role reveal, because I agree that the wolves may be keeping her alive because she could accidentally give them a helpful item.

I also think its plausible for them to keep people alive that we have suspected in the past because the doubt in their character is already there, making it more likely that we will lynch them ourselves so the wolves do not need to waste a night kill. Especially when the players aren't killed overnight, it just adds to the suspicion. People have discussed whether or not I'm a villager every day since my role reveal, which even though I haven't been put up as a candidate for the lynch again, definitely detracts from other theories being developed

 

[deleted806434]

If you read through all the messages posted serher seems pretty suspicious. But I feel like she can be trusted. Can anyone vouch for her?

I think I have already adequately defended everyone's suspicions of me from yesterday. Villagers make mistakes too. I would be happier to address any things that I have said in the past that concern you. In my opinion I was pretty clearly a villager until I ended up being wrong about the bandwagon yesterday.

 

[LyraGardenia]

I also think its plausible for them to keep people alive that we have suspected in the past because the doubt in their character is already there, making it more likely that we will lynch them ourselves so the wolves do not need to waste a night kill. Especially when the players aren't killed overnight, it just adds to the suspicion. People have discussed whether or not I'm a villager every day since my role reveal, which even though I haven't been put up as a candidate for the lynch again, definitely detracts from other theories being developed

That's a good point.

 

[deleted806434]

I also think its plausible for them to keep people alive that we have suspected in the past because the doubt in their character is already there, making it more likely that we will lynch them ourselves so the wolves do not need to waste a night kill.

Just wanted to throw it out there that this is probably why the wolves didn't kill me overnight. The fact that SAR brought up their suspicions of me yesterday made me a possible lynch target for today.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

Do you mean like killerleaf after she gave us a big win by outing BoB? I do think it's a little surprising that she wasn't killed again after that, but she was obviously telling the truth, so I'm not sure what to make of it.

I guess I don't find it super weird she wasn't killed off. It makes sense the mods would take away her seering ability if she came back so I think the wolves figured BYOB was the only insight she had. But then again could be a wolf, but that would sure be an odd wolf strategy to have her kill another wolf and the first one at that.

 

[kittenmittens524]

On the note of developing constructive theories/conversation, if anyone feels confident in an opinion I think we should try and begin the lynch now. I would start it, but I don't feel confident on anyone in particular yet. Or as confident as someone could be in this game lol

 

[deleted806434]

As far as killerleaf goes, I wanted to add that BoB told us to "be suspicious of a zombie elephant" or something along those lines right before she died. So I tend to think killerleaf is still a villager.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

I feel the same way about kitten. But what were some of the items that would be helpful to wolves again? I forget what we had brainstormed in the past. Because the ability to seer and be protected from overnight kills obviously wouldn't help them that much haha

Yeah I questioned that too yesterday but kittens said she could make any item so there is a good chance some item could help a wolf.

 

[Bottle of Bear]

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[deleted806434]

TrashPanda and wallydo... I would like to hear from you two

 

[deleted806434]

did I just make an unintentional rhyme...

😛

 

[kittenmittens524]

TrashPanda and wallydo... I would like to hear from you two

I agree with that, they've been very quiet today

 

[kittenmittens524]

Do we have any thoughts on sheltermed? I know there are extenuating circumstances, I just don't know if we had reached a consensus on this

 

[deleted806434]

Do we have any thoughts on sheltermed? I know there are extenuating circumstances, I just don't know if we had reached a consensus on this

I asked sheltermed a question earlier, so I will just see what everybody else thinks about it. sheltermed voted for HH D2 and BoB D3. I find it interesting that she was able to pull that off without getting killed overnight, either night. But that also might point toward her being a villager, it's quite hard to tell.

 

[Karabiner13]

Do we have any thoughts on sheltermed? I know there are extenuating circumstances, I just don't know if we had reached a consensus on this

I'm torn on this but feel like LIS is laughing at us.
Shelter mentioned last night she doesn't want to reveal her role and as a noob doesn't know what to do (I'm guessing for defending herself) and her role is useful if utilized correctly

 

[deleted806434]

In my opinion sheltermed's defense was very weak yesterday. Anybody could say that to any accusation.

 

[kittenmittens524]

I asked sheltermed a question earlier, so I will just see what everybody else thinks about it. sheltermed voted for HH D2 and BoB D3. I find it interesting that she was able to pull that off without getting killed overnight, either night. But that also might point toward her being a villager, it's quite hard to tell.

Do you mean you directly asked sheltermed a question in the thread? (I might have missed it) Or you in a pm? And if it was in a pm are you able to elaborate?

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

From what I mentioned earlier on this page, the votes that would concern me the most would be the votes after those first 5 or so votes within 10ish minutes. I don't remember the exact timing, but it was quick. I bet at that moment (and later) wolves would consider that the opportunity for saving HH was gone.

Wow so I don't know if the votes yesterday are helpful to anyone but they aren't really to me. I agree with serher that the wolves seemed to decide way early on that h&h was a lost cause and by the time the bandwagon vote started no one really seemed to defend him except ser who I don't have reason to think is a wolf yet.

I'm going to try to cast my vote to get more people on the table then just dreams today though I'm still suspect of her.

Lynch Lyra

Her posts seem to be mainly agreeing with others or reiterating what someone else said awhile back OR what we already know. She did suspect and cast votes for BYOB and h&h early on though so I'm not sure. But I think at this point we need to consider the wolves probably have been voting against each other to throw us off. I don't know if anyone hadn't been suspicious of either BYOB or h&h or cast a lynch vote against them (excluding bandwagon posts after they went off the rails), but I think everyone has at this point.

 

[LyraGardenia]

TrashPanda and wallydo... I would like to hear from you two

I also agree. Wally did say she'd be at work until 4, I'm not sure what time zone she's in. TrashPanda we haven't heard from since before lynch close last night.

In my opinion sheltermed's defense was very weak yesterday. Anybody could say that to any accusation.

I agree, it's hard to tell if shelter is genuinely having trouble keeping up with the game or just playing dumb.

 

[deleted806434]

Do you mean you directly asked sheltermed a question in the thread? (I might have missed it) Or you in a pm? And if it was in a pm are you able to elaborate?

I posted it earlier today! That's pretty much exactly what I said. I will quote it for you.

I'm just going to throw out some questions I have from looking at my spreadsheet. These are not accusations, I just want to hear the responses.

@sheltermed, you voted for both BoB and HH before they were outed as wolves. While this screams villager in one respect, can you explain why the wolves didn't feel the need to kill you off?

Same question to you @SnowshoeDog143 because you voted for HH twice before they were outed.

Forgive me if there are errors in my spreadsheet and please correct me if so.

 

[SnowshoeDog143]

TrashPanda and wallydo... I would like to hear from you two

I believe the painda is a villager. And wally do said they wouldn't be on the thread until very late due to work.

I'm not sure about sheltered either. She's so hard to read and I feel bad voting against her (which I know everyone does). But I also think her defense yesterday was weak

 

[TrashPanda]

TrashPanda and wallydo... I would like to hear from you two

I agree with that, they've been very quiet today

I'm at work but trying to keep up with the thread. I can't remember who it was, but someone wanted to hear from me yesterday and I posted a bunch if you want to take a look.

I'm also curious about wallydo and lyra just because they've been pretty quiet this whole time. I'd like to know more about what they're thinking- I can't check the whole thread right now, but I don't feel like they've talked much about themselves or about what they've thought about other players.

I also agree. Wally did say she'd be at work until 4, I'm not sure what time zone she's in. TrashPanda we haven't heard from since before lynch close last night.

I agree, it's hard to tell if shelter is genuinely having trouble keeping up with the game or just playing dumb.

I'm here on a limited basis until I get home from work about an hour before lynch close. Trying to keep up until then.

Sheltermed didn't say much yesterday and when I asked about her future plans in the game, she said she'd be ok with being replaced. But I don't think she's actually asked to be replaced. She has been around (to a limited degree for understandable reasons), but her comments have mostly been short and/or off-topic.

 

[LyraGardenia]

Wow so I don't know if the votes yesterday are helpful to anyone but they aren't really to me. I agree with serher that the wolves seemed to decide way early on that h&h was a lost cause and by the time the bandwagon vote started no one really seemed to defend him except ser who I don't have reason to think is a wolf yet.

I'm going to try to cast my vote to get more people on the table then just dreams today though I'm still suspect of her.

Lynch Lyra

Her posts seem to be mainly agreeing with others or reiterating what someone else said awhile back OR what we already know. She did suspect and cast votes for BYOB and h&h early on though so I'm not sure. But I think at this point we need to consider the wolves probably have been voting against each other to throw us off. I don't know if anyone hadn't been suspicious of either BYOB or h&h or cast a lynch vote against them (excluding bandwagon posts after they went off the rails), but I think everyone has at this point.

I guess like Animal Midwife, I'm just not great at coming up with original things to add, and real life has kept me from being able to devote a lot of time to this. Not a great excuse, I know. But like you said, my voting record would be either very daring or very stupid if I were a wolf.

 

[Karabiner13]

I haven't contributed much to the discussion, but I've done what I've been assigned to do via my role. It's up to you guys.

This part of shelter's response also concerned me. We need discussion to learn about people and to hopefully make informed decisions and it still leaves it open to interpretation as to what her role is

 

[deleted806434]

I believe the painda is a villager.

Are you able to elaborate on this? Specific reasons or feelings? I would appreciate it