LECOM Seton Hill Discussion Thread 2012-2013

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What are the GPA and MCAT requirements for LECOM Seton Hill???? What percent of applicants get into this school??? What would you rate this school from 1 - 10???

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Being a new school it's probably 3.4-3.5/25-26.

 

[Wolverines83]

What are the GPA and MCAT requirements for LECOM Seton Hill???? What percent of applicants get into this school??? What would you rate this school from 1 - 10???

I have no clue what the averages are or the acceptance rate. I think we're lumped with Erie for those statistics. But it shouldn't be too bad. It's a new school so people with stellar grades are, for the most part, going to take acceptances in other places. I'll give you my info so you at least have an idea:

I had cum GPA of only about 3.1 but I'm a nontrad who applied 5 years after graduating college. My unofficial postbacc was 4.0 (A&P, chem, orgo, physics); add in my bio from undergrad and my sGPA was something like 3.8ish. 29R MCAT with couple hundred hours in the hospital.

As for how i would rate the school. Well it depends on what you're looking at. From the perspective of a current student I really like it. I think the faculty is great, the atmosphere is relaxed and the PBL curriculum leaves a lot of time to balance your schooling with other requirements/hobbies. The students are awesome too. Just a positive atmosphere if you ask me.

We're just starting to look at rotations (I'm in between year 1 and 2) and it seems that it's a double-edged sword. Basically planning 3rd and 4th year is on our shoulders. You can view that as "I can't believe they're making ME do this." or as "sweet, get out of my way and let me handle my ****." I'm of the second group, but we'll see after another year or so, lol.

Shooting from the hip, I'd give it an 8/10. That rating is based off of my opinion because our first class doesn't graduate until next May (2013). That said, we use the same PBL curriculum as Erie which has had very good results so there's no reason to expect it'd be different here. In fact, our scores on all standardized tests are almost identical to the Erie PBL groups.

 

[mooman]

Averages of 2012 matriculating class: 3.4-5/27-8

 

[Helen Wheels]

Seton Hill is a satellite campus of Erie and our admissions is combined with Erie. I wouldn't see why our stats would be lower than the main campus since admissions is combined - when you apply to Erie you rank your choice of campus/academic pathway, but you submit one app on AACOMAS for both sites. When I was at my admissions interview in 2010 Dr. Moore said that they made the decision to accept or reject you first and then looked at your campus/pathway choice. moomans stats look about right.

I don't know if there are absolute MCAT/GPA cutoffs but they'd be the same as Erie. I also don't know what percentage of applicants is accepted (LECOM doesn't seem to make that info available) but it'd be hard to determine that since we are combined in with the people ranking Erie as their first choice.

I'd agree with wolverines and give the school an 8/10, also. I love our faculty and my fellow classmates (faculty are accessible and supportive and classmates are also non-gunnerish and helpful) and how small the school is. I also love the PBL curriculum but it's not for everyone and you need to know that PBL is the only option available at this location. The cons would be that it is a new school with some growing pains and is not well integrated into the surrounding Seton Hill University campus. Rotations selection starts for me and wolverines this fall so it remains to be seen how painful the rotations selection process will be.

 

[ShyRem]

New year New thread. Good luck folks!

 

[docmayer]

So I just found out LECOM Seton Hill, the only campus of LECOM I can apply to, is a Catholic university? This may sound stupid, but lets say I don't give a **** about religion and like to have fun an drink (oh no..) once in a while. Will this be a problem? Is EVERYONE there hard core Catholic? :O

 

[Mehd School]

Averages of 2012 matriculating class: 3.4-5/27-8

Any links for this? I'm not doubting you, it's just that the data I've seen is significantly lower.


Applying here.

 

[Helen Wheels]

So I just found out LECOM Seton Hill, the only campus of LECOM I can apply to, is a Catholic university? This may sound stupid, but lets say I don't give a **** about religion and like to have fun an drink (oh no..) once in a while. Will this be a problem? Is EVERYONE there hard core Catholic? :O

We are not integrated into the university here. In fact, it feels as if LECOM is in its own isolated world here. The LECOM areas are card key access only so we do not even have much contact with Seton Hill students. LECOM even has its own separate parking lots here. The LECOM students are from all backgrounds. There is no pushing of religious doctrine to the medical students whatsoever. There is no on campus housing for LECOM students so you'll live off campus and students here do drink.


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[docmayer]

Thank you that helps a lot!!

 

[DrMeows]

Not a lot of people posting on this thread 😕 but I just added Seton Hill to my list! Good luck everybody!

 

[Mr Kenobi]

On AACOMAS Erie/Senton Hill is one option....what's the deal with that if they are separate? There is a whole separate option for LE-COM B...?

 

[DrMeows]

On AACOMAS Erie/Senton Hill is one option....what's the deal with that if they are separate? There is a whole separate option for LE-COM B...?

Idk I wish you could apply to all three. Erie/Seton Hill is like how VCOM is - you can only apply to one or the other. LAMEEEEE 👎

 

[Mr Kenobi]

Idk I wish you could apply to all three. Erie/Seton Hill is like how VCOM is - you can only apply to one or the other. LAMEEEEE 👎

So you aren't applying to both by choosing the AACOMAS option LECOM Erie/Senton Hill? How do they work that with secondaries and interviews and such? I'm confused..😕

 

[Veritas23]

On AACOMAS Erie/Senton Hill is one option....what's the deal with that if they are separate? There is a whole separate option for LE-COM B...?

LECOM-E/Seton Hill is one entity. You are considered for both "campuses" when you apply through AACOMAS to LECOM-E. LECOM-B is a branch campus. Seton Hill is just a satellite campus.

LECOM-Seton Hill is PBL-only. So for instance if you apply to LECOM-E and on your supplemental you choose Seton Hill for your preferred campus you may even interview there, and subsequently will only have the option of a PBL curriculum

TLDR; you should consider LECOM-E/Seton Hill one entity and LECOM-B a completely separate one as well.

Hope that makes sense. In my eyes LECOM-E PBL is better than Seton Hill PBL because you have more resources at Erie (from what I have been told from current second-years). The only downside to LECOM-E PBL is that you don't get a cadaver and use software instead. Seton Hill PBL students get a prosected cadaver as a "learning tool".

EDIT: Also... you can change your pathway choice after you rank them at your interview. At the interview you rank: PBL-Erie, LDP-Erie, PBL-Seton Hill, DSP-Erie, APAP-Erie (physician assistant accelerated pathway), and PCSP-Erie from 1-6. Therefore even if you interview at either satellite campus within the LECOM-E entity you can swap campuses so long as the one you are interested in isn't full.

 

[DrMeows]

LECOM-E/Seton Hill is one entity. You are considered for both "campuses" when you apply through AACOMAS to LECOM-E. LECOM-B is a branch campus. Seton Hill is just a satellite campus.

LECOM-Seton Hill is PBL-only. So for instance if you apply to LECOM-E and on your supplemental you choose Seton Hill for your preferred campus you may even interview there, and subsequently will only have the option of a PBL curriculum

TLDR; you should consider LECOM-E/Seton Hill one entity and LECOM-B a completely separate one as well.

Hope that makes sense. In my eyes LECOM-E PBL is better than Seton Hill PBL because you have more resources at Erie (from what I have been told from current second-years). The only downside to LECOM-E PBL is that you don't get a cadaver and use software instead. Seton Hill PBL students get a prosected cadaver as a "learning tool".

EDIT: Also... you can change your pathway choice after you rank them at your interview. At the interview you rank: PBL-Erie, LDP-Erie, PBL-Seton Hill, DSP-Erie, APAP-Erie (physician assistant accelerated pathway), and PCSP-Erie from 1-6. Therefore even if you interview at either satellite campus within the LECOM-E entity you can swap campuses so long as the one you are interested in isn't full.

Thanks for the info! Good to know I can still rank erie pathways if I get the opportunity to interview at Seton Hill! 🙂

 

[Veritas23]

Thanks for the info! Good to know I can still rank erie pathways if I get the opportunity to interview at Seton Hill! 🙂

Now while I don't know that that's 100% for-sure since I just interviewed at the Erie campus I see no reason why it would be any different over at Seton Hill for ranking pathways since at the end of your interview. The way I look at it is that it's one school with different pathway choices and Seton Hill is just a "pathway choice". LECOM-B is a completely different school and I'm still waiting to hear from them.

Glad to help! The presentation at the interview by Mr. Murphy was very informative.

 

[Mr Kenobi]

LECOM-E/Seton Hill is one entity. You are considered for both "campuses" when you apply through AACOMAS to LECOM-E. LECOM-B is a branch campus. Seton Hill is just a satellite campus.

LECOM-Seton Hill is PBL-only. So for instance if you apply to LECOM-E and on your supplemental you choose Seton Hill for your preferred campus you may even interview there, and subsequently will only have the option of a PBL curriculum

TLDR; you should consider LECOM-E/Seton Hill one entity and LECOM-B a completely separate one as well.

Hope that makes sense. In my eyes LECOM-E PBL is better than Seton Hill PBL because you have more resources at Erie (from what I have been told from current second-years). The only downside to LECOM-E PBL is that you don't get a cadaver and use software instead. Seton Hill PBL students get a prosected cadaver as a "learning tool".

EDIT: Also... you can change your pathway choice after you rank them at your interview. At the interview you rank: PBL-Erie, LDP-Erie, PBL-Seton Hill, DSP-Erie, APAP-Erie (physician assistant accelerated pathway), and PCSP-Erie from 1-6. Therefore even if you interview at either satellite campus within the LECOM-E entity you can swap campuses so long as the one you are interested in isn't full.

So many pathway/options😱 Nice they provide a presentation explaining everything so ou can make an informed decision haha. Thanks a lot for the info!

 

[Veritas23]

So many pathway/options😱 Nice they provide a presentation explaining everything so ou can make an informed decision haha. Thanks a lot for the info!

Yeah the only downside was that they make you rank your pathways before speaking with second-year students from each different pathway during lunch. I immediately wanted to change my selections after meeting with them, haha. Luckily they're flexible.

 

[DrMeows]

Yeah the only downside was that they make you rank your pathways before speaking with second-year students from each different pathway during lunch. I immediately wanted to change my selections after meeting with them, haha. Luckily they're flexible.

Do you mind sharing your thoughts on the pathways? I know some people from Erie, but it'd still be nice to hear what they're saying over there 🙄

 

[ShabNasty]

Yeah the only downside was that they make you rank your pathways before speaking with second-year students from each different pathway during lunch. I immediately wanted to change my selections after meeting with them, haha. Luckily they're flexible.

We're you able to re-rank pathways without an issue?

 

[Veritas23]

Do you mind sharing your thoughts on the pathways? I know some people from Erie, but it'd still be nice to hear what they're saying over there 🙄

I met with HockeyDr09 during lunch and this is his post in the LECOM-E '12-'13 thread explaining the pathways: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=12859750#post128

I've also attached the PDF file below you get in your interview invite email explaining the pathways.

PBL seems very unstructured where you have cases presented to you by a facilitator three times a week and your group drives the discussion by delving through medical textbooks. If you're the type of student who can create your own structure and don't mind reading lots of textbooks with no power-point "structure" then this is the way to go. You learn much more clinically throughout the basic science years and your tests are tailored specifically for your group. There are less exams overall but the students I talked to had really good things to say about PBL and board scores associated with PBL students.

Personally, I was turned off by PBL not having cadavers. This was a big issue for me having a group of friends at different medical schools across the country all having a similar transformative experience with their anatomy classes/cadaver labs. If you can get past that, and take advantage of the cadaver "prepping" volunteer option during the summer after first year, you can get cadaver experience and have PBL as a curriculum.

PBL-Seton Hill seemed attractive because you get a cadaver as a "learning tool" but from what I heard from students the resources there are really second-rate. The OMM facilities at Erie are top-knotch and you miss out on faculty that are at Erie and even have video'd-in lectures that are given at given at Erie. From what I gather PBL-E > PBL-SH.

LDP is what I'm also torn between because I like structure. LDP is class M-F 8am-4pm. You get a cadaver for lab and do dissect. Lectures are not recorded which is a bummer but you get power-points to follow along with during lecture all day. You do have small group sessions for lab and other specific courses but its much more of the absorb as much as you can and spit it back out kind of format. It's easier to back out into LDP from PBL than the other way around.

DSP is basically study on your own which is not for me. If you're into studying on your I feel like there's no reason to do DSP and you should just do PBL, unless maybe you're an RN and you know a lot about PBL stuff already and are just looking to get your degree ASAP. PBL is only three days a week and not even that many hours so you get the best of DSP, less exams, and PBL sessions which I feel are beneficial.

APAP doesn't apply to me as I am not a physician assistant.

PCSP is not something I want to do because it seemed like you could only go into family medicine (and are required to practice "osteopathically" for 5 years). If you could go into Internal Medicine I'd consider this because I'm interested in almost every IM fellowship but it seemed like a 3-year family medicine training program to me.

View attachment LECOM Erie Pathways.PDF

 

[Veritas23]

We're you able to re-rank pathways without an issue?

I sent an email and haven't received word yet. I'm sure since it's so early it's a non-issue, and who knows if we'll get in yet right? I'm sure they'll worry about it after they make admissions decisions!

 

[DrMeows]

I met with HockeyDr09 during lunch and this is his post in the LECOM-E '12-'13 thread explaining the pathways: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?p=12859750#post128

I've also attached the PDF file below you get in your interview invite email explaining the pathways.

PBL seems very unstructured where you have cases presented to you by a facilitator three times a week and your group drives the discussion by delving through medical textbooks. If you're the type of student who can create your own structure and don't mind reading lots of textbooks with no power-point "structure" then this is the way to go. You learn much more clinically throughout the basic science years and your tests are tailored specifically for your group. There are less exams overall but the students I talked to had really good things to say about PBL and board scores associated with PBL students.

Personally, I was turned off by PBL not having cadavers. This was a big issue for me having a group of friends at different medical schools across the country all having a similar transformative experience with their anatomy classes/cadaver labs. If you can get past that, and take advantage of the cadaver "prepping" volunteer option during the summer after first year, you can get cadaver experience and have PBL as a curriculum.

PBL-Seton Hill seemed attractive because you get a cadaver as a "learning tool" but from what I heard from students the resources there are really second-rate. The OMM facilities at Erie are top-knotch and you miss out on faculty that are at Erie and even have video'd-in lectures that are given at given at Erie. From what I gather PBL-E > PBL-SH.

LDP is what I'm also torn between because I like structure. LDP is class M-F 8am-4pm. You get a cadaver for lab and do dissect. Lectures are not recorded which is a bummer but you get power-points to follow along with during lecture all day. You do have small group sessions for lab and other specific courses but its much more of the absorb as much as you can and spit it back out kind of format. It's easier to back out into LDP from PBL than the other way around.

DSP is basically study on your own which is not for me. If you're into studying on your I feel like there's no reason to do DSP and you should just do PBL, unless maybe you're an RN and you know a lot about PBL stuff already and are just looking to get your degree ASAP. PBL is only three days a week and not even that many hours so you get the best of DSP, less exams, and PBL sessions which I feel are beneficial.

APAP doesn't apply to me as I am not a physician assistant.

PCSP is not something I want to do because it seemed like you could only go into family medicine (and are required to practice "osteopathically" for 5 years). If you could go into Internal Medicine I'd consider this because I'm interested in almost every IM fellowship but it seemed like a 3-year family medicine training program to me.

View attachment 20919

Thanks so much for sharing this!! 😀 👍

 

[ShabNasty]

I sent an email and haven't received word yet. I'm sure since it's so early it's a non-issue, and who knows if we'll get in yet right? I'm sure they'll worry about it after they make admissions decisions!

I'm feeling really good about our chances for everyone from the first interview wave. The committee is supposed to meet sometime tomorrow so here is some luck

 

[Veritas23]

Thanks so much for sharing this!! 😀 👍

Happy to help, hope you get an interview soon!

 

[Veritas23]

I'm feeling really good about our chances for everyone from the first interview wave. The committee is supposed to meet sometime tomorrow so here is some luck

Haha yeah I remember someone saying they meet on Wednesdays... Would be a huge weight off of all of our shoulders. Apparently the portal changes to "A Decision Has Been Made On Your File" and you get a letter in the mail. So much more pain waiting for the letter!

 

[411309]

how do you check your status for the seton hill campus? you werent supposed to submit another secodnary just for ST right?

 

[ShabNasty]

Haha yeah I remember someone saying they meet on Wednesdays... Would be a huge weight off of all of our shoulders. Apparently the portal changes to "A Decision Has Been Made On Your File" and you get a letter in the mail. So much more pain waiting for the letter!

Yeah no kidding. Based on what it was taking last year "1st interview" students to get a their letter, I'm guessing they should start rolling in the 16th or 17th of this month. I have already marked my calendar for the 16th-18th as "D-Day" lol...

 

[ShabNasty]

how do you check your status for the seton hill campus? you werent supposed to submit another secodnary just for ST right?

Like Veritas23 said earlier, Seton Hill is a satellite campus to Erie. When you submit your secondary, you are considered for both Erie and Seton Hill.

 

[411309]

Like Veritas23 said earlier, Seton Hill is a satellite campus to Erie. When you submit your secondary, you are considered for both Erie and Seton Hill.

zomg, just saw. so I guess when you apply to lecom-e you get to actually apply to two schools for one deal. kinda sweet.

 

[DrMeows]

Haha yeah I remember someone saying they meet on Wednesdays... Would be a huge weight off of all of our shoulders. Apparently the portal changes to "A Decision Has Been Made On Your File" and you get a letter in the mail. So much more pain waiting for the letter!

I thought you only get a letter if you are rejected? And an email if you have an interview. I'm pretty postitive that's the way it has worked in the past - just FYI!

 

[ShabNasty]

I thought you only get a letter if you are rejected? And an email if you have an interview. I'm pretty postitive that's the way it has worked in the past - just FYI!

Any admissions decision is communicated through letter--whether accepted or rejected. They won't give decisions through email or over the phone.

 

[Veritas23]

I thought you only get a letter if you are rejected? And an email if you have an interview. I'm pretty postitive that's the way it has worked in the past - just FYI!

They're not allowed to send admissions decisions over email or phone. Since I interviewed with ShabNasty and a few others on 8/3 (this past Friday) I will be hearing about my status changing to "decision made" via email/portal change and subsequently will receive my admissions status via snail mail.

If your status changes to "decision made" pre-interview then yes, you are almost definitely rejected. Maybe you didn't realize I had interviewed already?

 

[Veritas23]

Any admissions decision is communicated through letter--whether accepted or rejected. They won't give decisions through email or over the phone.

I swear, you're always beating me to the punch on here! I must type slow on my phone...

 

[DrMeows]

They're not allowed to send admissions decisions over email or phone. Since I interviewed with ShabNasty and a few others on 8/3 (this past Friday) I will be hearing about my status changing to "decision made" via email/portal change and subsequently will receive my admissions status via snail mail.

If your status changes to "decision made" pre-interview then yes, you are almost definitely rejected. Maybe you didn't realize I had interviewed already?

Any admissions decision is communicated through letter--whether accepted or rejected. They won't give decisions through email or over the phone.

I apologize, I thought you were talking about pre-interview lol my bad! 😳 Carry on...

 

[ShabNasty]

I swear, you're always beating me to the punch on here! I must type slow on my phone...

Ha ha. im not trying to, i swear!

 

[dododr]

Time to bring a little life to this thread...Interview invite! It was already set up for 9-13. A little bit too short notice and I have atsu soma on 9-14 so I am going to call them today to reschedule

 

[gc91]

So I just found out LECOM Seton Hill, the only campus of LECOM I can apply to, is a Catholic university? This may sound stupid, but lets say I don't give a **** about religion and like to have fun an drink (oh no..) once in a while. Will this be a problem? Is EVERYONE there hard core Catholic? :O

Dude, do you know anything about Catholicism? Our most sacred ritual involves drinking blood "manifested" as wine.

Most Catholics are big drinkers, and we like to have fun and good out too. We aren't bible thumpers either, we aren't going to shove religion down your throat. Just don't expect free condoms in the health office.

 

[bouncingsolz91]

Anyone else interviewing this Friday?

 

[Mountaineer12]

Got an interview invite for 9/18, but I can't take anymore days off of work this month so I moved it till 10/25 after I hear about EDP at the MD school I applied to.

 

[aburnet2]

Anyone else interviewing this Friday?

I'll be there.

 

[Hopefull22]

II this morning for 11/15!!! This is my first invite! Anyone else going on 11/15?

 

[Sir Niels Bohr]

I feel like an idiot because I posted this already in the generic LECOM thread not realizing that this thread exists (I am new to SDN and haven't used it until just recently.)

I interviewed at Seton Hill on 8/31 and was accepted around two weeks later by snail mail. Not sure what the averages are but I'm at around a 3.48 and 31Q MCAT, 3 years out of college. The letter came in a standard size envelope, so it made me freak out a bit that it wasn't the large envelopes we all expect, and I waited to open it until a few hours later only to be pleasantly surprised.

Anyone else accepted that wants to share their thoughts about their experience at Seton Hill?

 

[aburnet2]

I feel like an idiot because I posted this already in the generic LECOM thread not realizing that this thread exists (I am new to SDN and haven't used it until just recently.)

I interviewed at Seton Hill on 8/31 and was accepted around two weeks later by snail mail. Not sure what the averages are but I'm at around a 3.48 and 31Q MCAT, 3 years out of college. The letter came in a standard size envelope, so it made me freak out a bit that it wasn't the large envelopes we all expect, and I waited to open it until a few hours later only to be pleasantly surprised.

Anyone else accepted that wants to share their thoughts about their experience at Seton Hill?

I was accepted here as well and I believe my interview date was the 8/31 too. Congrats! I thought the campus was beautiful and liked the environment however I also got accepted to KYCOM. I will probably be giving up my spot at seton hill simply because KYCOM fits me very well. Seton Hill isnt a bad school at all it just isnt for me with the no cadaver thing. I my not even do a whole lot of cadaver work in my spare time in med school but I would at least like the option. Just my two cents. Congrats though, nice MCAT btw. I am also 3 yrs out of undergrad and I think that gave me a great opportunity to get some good EC's.

Dont worry about posting in the LECOM thread cuz this one is pretty dead anyway. Most do follow the generic LECOM one. No worries.

 

[veetee]

I feel like an idiot because I posted this already in the generic LECOM thread not realizing that this thread exists (I am new to SDN and haven't used it until just recently.)

I interviewed at Seton Hill on 8/31 and was accepted around two weeks later by snail mail. Not sure what the averages are but I'm at around a 3.48 and 31Q MCAT, 3 years out of college. The letter came in a standard size envelope, so it made me freak out a bit that it wasn't the large envelopes we all expect, and I waited to open it until a few hours later only to be pleasantly surprised.

Anyone else accepted that wants to share their thoughts about their experience at Seton Hill?

I interviewed 9/19 and loved Seton Hill. I very much enjoyed the mock PBL session (and I think Seton Hill is the only campus that does the mock session, because Bradenton lets you watch one and Erie just tells you about it...?). It's definitely my learning style. I'll be going here in the fall.

I had read in the main LECOM thread that the acceptance envelope was slightly thicker than the alternate/rejection letter, so when I saw my heftier LECOM-addressed letter, I hoped for the best

The cadaver thing doesn't bug me much. I've spoken to enough LECOM students that did fine in anatomy to allay my fears, but I could see how the lack of cadavers could be a deal breaker.

I'm also a couple of years out of undergrad, though, so I wonder if there's a heavy focus on non-traditional recruitment...?

 

[Iheartnachos]

Just got any interview here for the 11/29. Anyone else? Any thoughts on where to stay? Everyone seems to have had a positive experience here so I'm pretty excited.

 

[veetee]

Just got any interview here for the 11/29. Anyone else? Any thoughts on where to stay? Everyone seems to have had a positive experience here so I'm pretty excited.

I stayed at Knight's Inn... I mean, it wasn't my absolute favorite motel, but it's 10 minutes from the campus, it's pretty cheap, and it's only for one night. I'd shop around but, if no other motel is doing it for you, I can attest that you'll survive the night at Knight's Inn.

 

[bouncingsolz91]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=955393

 

[Hopefull22]

Does anyone that has interviewed here have any advice? I'm interviewing here Thursday, and this is my first interview, so I'm pretty nervous! Thanks!