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Sounds like decent odds of being accepted if you make it to an interview.
Then again, I have to make it to the interview first haha 🙁
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Then again, I have to make it to the interview first haha 🙁
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Anyone know when the adcom meets for Loma Linda? I didnt get the invite this last time as some on here have (congrats to all that did!), so I was wondering how long we will be waiting until the next batch?
Loma Linda is the only school I care about and dream about going to, I dont even check the status of my other schools anymore lol
Just lots of prayer that I will be led to Loma Linda. Good luck to everyone interviewing and everyone waiting to be interviewed!!!
Loma Linda is the only school I care about and dream about going to, I dont even check the status of my other schools anymore lol
Just lots of prayer that I will be led to Loma Linda. Good luck to everyone interviewing and everyone waiting to be interviewed!!!
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I'm not sure when they meet to offer invites (or whether they have to meet to offer an interview anyway), but I know their first meeting to decide who gets accepted is in Dec.
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Anyone know when the adcom meets for Loma Linda? I didnt get the invite this last time as some on here have (congrats to all that did!), so I was wondering how long we will be waiting until the next batch?
Loma Linda is the only school I care about and dream about going to, I dont even check the status of my other schools anymore lol
"When God closes a door, somewhere he opens a window". 🙂
But I don't know where/what that window might be. Still no word from LLU. Anyone know if a Letter of Intent/Interest (LOI) helps? 'cuz I don't want to pester them with a LOI.
When were you complete?
Hmmmm. If Corker was complete at the very end of Sept. and got an invite then I would do it if I were you. Good luck!
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Does anyone know if they bring up religion/God during class?
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This is a perfect question for Dr. Jay, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did. They make it very clear on the school website and in the secondary app that their curriculum integrates medical education with religion. That's the reason why you shouldn't go there if you don't like mixing education with religion, and that's also the reason why they only admit devout SDA's or Christians.
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I know its nitpicking, but we are Christian's first, and then SDAs 🙂.
Anyways, depending on your interviewer you will most likely get some question regarding why you chose to apply to LLU, and usually in that answer people talk about the Christian atmosphere, etc. etc. If you tell them that you applied because of our good facilities then they may think that you really don't understand what LLU is about 🙂. So definitely be prepared for questions regarding religion, but don't be nervous about it. The interviewer really just wants to get a feel of why you chose LLU.
Anyways, depending on your interviewer you will most likely get some question regarding why you chose to apply to LLU, and usually in that answer people talk about the Christian atmosphere, etc. etc. If you tell them that you applied because of our good facilities then they may think that you really don't understand what LLU is about 🙂. So definitely be prepared for questions regarding religion, but don't be nervous about it. The interviewer really just wants to get a feel of why you chose LLU.
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First interview was on Nov 27. Now let's see who gets invited to the next one in Dec.
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Yes, not so much in science classes, but definately in ethical and required religious classes. Its not too intrusive though, they don't try to convert you, and are very professional about it.
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I'm also a first year and have a few thoughts....
Yes- but I think that I notice things more than most because I am non-SDA and went to non-religious schools. We have to take a religion course for the first 2 years (ethics counts as a religion class). Additionally some of the professors pray before class and before exams. The prayers are of the "thank you for this day and the opportunity to learn, help the students" genre...certainly no altar calls or anything like that. Coming from non-religious schools it took some getting used to. I never was bothered by it, it was just a very different experience. There are a few professors who will make comments during their lectures like "isn't it amazing how God made the fill in the blank" (again, I think that I pick up on this WAY more of this than those coming from SDA schools, which is 50% of our class). I also wasn't prepared for how many of the extra-curricular groups are religious in nature (Bible studies, CMDA, mission groups). During the first few weeks I was thinking "don't these people have any interests outside of religion?" Then the 2nd years came back and the variety greatly increased (specialty interest groups, sports, community service).
As a whole I have found the Adventists to be extremely accepting people. It is not at all a condemning atmosphere.
I don't know how to add more quotes, but in response to what I do/don't like...
Likes: I have no doubt that LLU is the most supportive, caring, and nicest med school. Everyone from the Dean's office down sincerely wants to help you in any way they can. Dr. Hadley (the dean) once said that the difference between him and the dean at UCLA is that UCLA's dean dreams of making a huge research discovery, and Dr. Hadley dreams of improving the quality of medical education. The professors are here because they want to teach, not because they are researchers who are forced to teach. Our classmates are almost all extremely nice and helpful. The gunner mentality is present, but not prevalent. We are constanly being reminded that the reason we are learning this crap is to become excellent physicians. This helps me focus on doing my best, not doing better than my classmates.
Dislikes:
Well, it is a SDA school. My biggest complaint is that there is no coffee (or other caffeinated drinks) available on campus. I bring my own to lecture, but it would be REALLY nice to have a cart around for afternoon study sessions.
You sign a contract that you won't smoke/drink/use drugs. Yes, people still drink. I drank before I came here and I do miss drinking, but LLU is very upfront about their policy. In my opinion agreeing to their policy and then not abiding by it shows a lack of integrity. You don't have to like it (I don't), but nobody is forcing you to attend LLU.
Everything closes sundown Friday to sundown Saturday (gym, library, etc). It can be annoying for those of us not keeping Sabbath, but you get used to iit.
Also, the campus and hospital is vegetarian. Like the coffee, you are welcome to bring meat but can't buy it. Not an issue for me, but I was never a big meat eater.
This is not a dislike, just an adjustment. The class is 75% SDA, 50% from SDA colleges, and 25% non-SDA. The first week it seemed like everyone knew each other...or each other's families...or their aunt's best friend is the second cousin of their wife. Yeah, those connections exist everywhere, but people don't usually figure them out. They do here. At times it is overwhelming, but I am adjusting.
Lastly, a few myths I want to dispell...
1) LLU is not a GPA *****. I had a horrid undergrad GPA (2.9). My postbacc GPA was much, much better (3.8), but that was only 8 classes. My overall GPA (after including postbacc work) was about 3.1. LLU is willing to look beyond GPA if you give them a reason to (I had a strong MCAT and lots of research).
2) Don't freak out if you haven't gotten an interview. I interviewed in Feb and was accepted the following week. They first interview at SDA colleges, then they start on-campus. That is one reason why they are slow.
3) Admitting to moderate drinking does not mean an automatic rejection. That is why they ask if you are willing to stop. Several people advised me to lie on my application and say I didn't drink. For some crazy reason I wasn't comfortable with the idea of lying on my application to a Christian school. Granted, I was grilled about it on my interview, but I was honest about my willingness to stop and obviously he believed me.
Funny story- Of course one of my interviewers was an Addictionologist. We spend 5 minutes talking about my application in general and 40 minutes talking about drinking. He not only took my entire "alcohol consumption history", but that of my family (my mom being an alcoholic & a LLU rehab patient didn't help with this). Where do I draw the line at how much to drink? Why do I drink? How does it make me feel? How old was I when I started to drink? How do I know that I am not an alcoholic? And on, and on... Then he told me one horror story after another about med students whose lives were ruined by drinking (apparently is the person who deals with addict med-students). He finished the interview by telling me that I really should go to Al-Anon meetings. My other interviewer didn't ask me about drinking at all.
And the true myth...
Don't bother applying if you are not some form of Christian. Other schools at LLU (like dental) accept other faiths. SOM doesn't unless you have an extraordinary, compelling reason. It makes sense when you realize the mission is to "train Christian physicians."
Yes- but I think that I notice things more than most because I am non-SDA and went to non-religious schools. We have to take a religion course for the first 2 years (ethics counts as a religion class). Additionally some of the professors pray before class and before exams. The prayers are of the "thank you for this day and the opportunity to learn, help the students" genre...certainly no altar calls or anything like that. Coming from non-religious schools it took some getting used to. I never was bothered by it, it was just a very different experience. There are a few professors who will make comments during their lectures like "isn't it amazing how God made the fill in the blank" (again, I think that I pick up on this WAY more of this than those coming from SDA schools, which is 50% of our class). I also wasn't prepared for how many of the extra-curricular groups are religious in nature (Bible studies, CMDA, mission groups). During the first few weeks I was thinking "don't these people have any interests outside of religion?" Then the 2nd years came back and the variety greatly increased (specialty interest groups, sports, community service).
As a whole I have found the Adventists to be extremely accepting people. It is not at all a condemning atmosphere.
I don't know how to add more quotes, but in response to what I do/don't like...
Likes: I have no doubt that LLU is the most supportive, caring, and nicest med school. Everyone from the Dean's office down sincerely wants to help you in any way they can. Dr. Hadley (the dean) once said that the difference between him and the dean at UCLA is that UCLA's dean dreams of making a huge research discovery, and Dr. Hadley dreams of improving the quality of medical education. The professors are here because they want to teach, not because they are researchers who are forced to teach. Our classmates are almost all extremely nice and helpful. The gunner mentality is present, but not prevalent. We are constanly being reminded that the reason we are learning this crap is to become excellent physicians. This helps me focus on doing my best, not doing better than my classmates.
Dislikes:
Well, it is a SDA school. My biggest complaint is that there is no coffee (or other caffeinated drinks) available on campus. I bring my own to lecture, but it would be REALLY nice to have a cart around for afternoon study sessions.
You sign a contract that you won't smoke/drink/use drugs. Yes, people still drink. I drank before I came here and I do miss drinking, but LLU is very upfront about their policy. In my opinion agreeing to their policy and then not abiding by it shows a lack of integrity. You don't have to like it (I don't), but nobody is forcing you to attend LLU.
Everything closes sundown Friday to sundown Saturday (gym, library, etc). It can be annoying for those of us not keeping Sabbath, but you get used to iit.
Also, the campus and hospital is vegetarian. Like the coffee, you are welcome to bring meat but can't buy it. Not an issue for me, but I was never a big meat eater.
This is not a dislike, just an adjustment. The class is 75% SDA, 50% from SDA colleges, and 25% non-SDA. The first week it seemed like everyone knew each other...or each other's families...or their aunt's best friend is the second cousin of their wife. Yeah, those connections exist everywhere, but people don't usually figure them out. They do here. At times it is overwhelming, but I am adjusting.
Lastly, a few myths I want to dispell...
1) LLU is not a GPA *****. I had a horrid undergrad GPA (2.9). My postbacc GPA was much, much better (3.8), but that was only 8 classes. My overall GPA (after including postbacc work) was about 3.1. LLU is willing to look beyond GPA if you give them a reason to (I had a strong MCAT and lots of research).
2) Don't freak out if you haven't gotten an interview. I interviewed in Feb and was accepted the following week. They first interview at SDA colleges, then they start on-campus. That is one reason why they are slow.
3) Admitting to moderate drinking does not mean an automatic rejection. That is why they ask if you are willing to stop. Several people advised me to lie on my application and say I didn't drink. For some crazy reason I wasn't comfortable with the idea of lying on my application to a Christian school. Granted, I was grilled about it on my interview, but I was honest about my willingness to stop and obviously he believed me.
Funny story- Of course one of my interviewers was an Addictionologist. We spend 5 minutes talking about my application in general and 40 minutes talking about drinking. He not only took my entire "alcohol consumption history", but that of my family (my mom being an alcoholic & a LLU rehab patient didn't help with this). Where do I draw the line at how much to drink? Why do I drink? How does it make me feel? How old was I when I started to drink? How do I know that I am not an alcoholic? And on, and on... Then he told me one horror story after another about med students whose lives were ruined by drinking (apparently is the person who deals with addict med-students). He finished the interview by telling me that I really should go to Al-Anon meetings. My other interviewer didn't ask me about drinking at all.
And the true myth...
Don't bother applying if you are not some form of Christian. Other schools at LLU (like dental) accept other faiths. SOM doesn't unless you have an extraordinary, compelling reason. It makes sense when you realize the mission is to "train Christian physicians."
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two questions
One, what are the LOR requirements? I couldnt find them online
Also, I have read that is best to leave religion out of your PS, so that is what I am gonna do, but will this adversely effect me at LLU? did most ppl write about their religious experiences in the PS?
One, what are the LOR requirements? I couldnt find them online
Also, I have read that is best to leave religion out of your PS, so that is what I am gonna do, but will this adversely effect me at LLU? did most ppl write about their religious experiences in the PS?
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I left it entirely out of my PS, but I did bring it up during my interview.
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You can find extra-curriculars that aren't religious if you want too, there are many of them...
While many SDAs may not be, at LLU they genuinely seem to be.
Nobody is going to shoot you if you bring coffee to classes, even some profs do it!
This can definitely be annoying at first, but not a deal breaker.
Actually I think it is about 50-50 (according to the deans office)
They don't want to you drink while you are there, but they are open to people who are willing to quit, or change.
Actually, alcoholism/drug abuse is a problem at all medical schools/residencies but to be fair, LLU will work with you if you develop a problem, not dismiss you immediately.
Very true, if you aren't, fake it...
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Can any non-SDA applicants from this year or last year tell me how long it took Loma Linda to invite you for an interview once you were complete? Although I sent all my stuff in early September, they didn't mark me complete until November and I really hope to get an interview there. When should I start worrying about not getting an interview invite? January? February? Thanks!
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Random: but about 10-12 years ago there was an amusement park in Loma Linda, Pharaohs Lost kingdom. Is that still there?
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Pharoahs...Actually, that was in neighboring Redlands. Funny you mention it, I lived in Redlands until just recently and I have had a few interesting memories at Pharoahs. I took a few girlfriends there over the years and used to play drunken laser tag or mini golf with my college buddies.
It shut down as an amusement park a few years ago. I dunno why, it was sorta falling apart I guess and they probably couldn't sell tickets. So the buildings sat there (except the arcade, which stayed open) until a year ago when they put 8 million into it to turn that giant pyramid into a fusion restaurant/nightclub. I thought it was kind of stupid considering it was the absoulute worst place for a nightclub. You would walk into it and the bouncer would check your ID while people were playing arcade games around you on the first floor (again, the only remaining part of the amusement park), then you walked up to the second floor where the nightclub was. Anyways, alcoholic beverage control raided the place like 5 times and the nightclub lost their liscence because of all kinds of violations. And the restaurant was terrible. So now it is just empty and even the arcade is closed. Ive since moved out of Cali but I last heard they were going to tear it down and put something else there.
Funny you mention that place though...
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wow, geeze a lot has happened in a few years lol
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Honestly, I don't think that automatically disqualifies you if you have a sincere desire to grow in your faith. Most people struggle with their faith from time to time. I certainly have and do..and I was honest about that at my interview. I didn't feel like my faith was being judged. They just want students who believe in the mission of the school, will live it out, and will be happy here.
Don't give up if you truly believe in the mission of Loma Linda and feel that this environment would be best for you.
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Yes, like I said the situation changed dramatically during once the sophmores came back and the official school year started. I am thankful for the religious ECs, I just felt overwhelmed when the only ones I heard about were CMDA, etc. LLU has all the extracurriculars that other med schools do..except for the ones that just wouldn't thrive (like Hillel or LGBT). There is a wide range of political and social beliefs in my class. Beyond the fact that everyone is Christian, our class is extremely diverse. Just to make sure that I don't mislead anyone...if you come here you will not be surrounded by religious wackos!
Sorry if I wasn't clear....nobody has given me any grief at all about bringing coffee. Not even a funny look. From what I have seen nobody cares. The same is true with non-veggie food. On a few really bad days a certain unnamed professor has even hooked me up with real coffee from the "faculty pot" in the back of Shryock. I just wish that it were available on campus. Having to leave campus and drive to Starbucks is a pain.
None of these things were deal breakers for me (obviously). I chose LLU because I thought that out of the schools that accepted me it would give me the best education. I wasn't going to put alcohol or convenience factors ahead of a decision that would affect the rest of my life. I would make the same decision today.
I don't know about the school as a whole, but according to both the dean's office and the ACGME report online our class (2011) is very close to 75-25. The exact number was something like 76-24. I had heard 50-50 when I interviewed, so perhaps our class is unique? Maybe they just had a lot of strong SDA applicants last year.
Definitely...and the problem continues beyond residency. I have found LLU to be extremely supportive and I have no doubt that support would continue through rehab. My guess is that LLU is one of the better schools at which to deal with an addiction because the administration cares about you as a person, not just you as a student.
My point here was that I had a somewhat myopic interviewer (he wasn't close-minded, just "focused"...and to be fair he is an Addictionologist). I actually find my memories of the interview to be a source of much amusement.
For your own sake, before you fake it think about how much you would enjoy this Christian environment. This is the perfect school for some, and the school from hell for others. Personally I would be miserable here if I were not Christian.
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I got my secondary in late (I think mid-late November), but I got my invite on 1/25, interviewed on 2/4 and was accepted on 2/16.
Now it is time for me to stop finding ways to avoid embryo.
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hey guys. so i am heading over to loma linda today for my interview on Monday 12/10 (i had to make a separate date because i couldnt make the 27th).
Besides the religious aspect, what about LLU is special? I know religion is a big factor, but I also want to choose a school by it's curriculum and advantages in the program.
Anyone have any helpful words? I'm flying in a couple of hours and will probably be able to check up on this before my interview tomorrow, so some quick responses would be appreciated!
Besides the religious aspect, what about LLU is special? I know religion is a big factor, but I also want to choose a school by it's curriculum and advantages in the program.
Anyone have any helpful words? I'm flying in a couple of hours and will probably be able to check up on this before my interview tomorrow, so some quick responses would be appreciated!
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We are in the middle of a transition to organ-based. Personally I am not so fond of this transitional period. From talking with my friends at other schools it seems as if we have it pretty hard. But that doesn't really apply to you because next year is the first year of a completely organ-based curriculum. Basically this means that no current students can answer your questions about the curriculum.
Advantages....the school is very strong in training good clinicians (not so strong in research), supportive environment (I got nods at my interviews when I mentioned this), lots of community service opportunites (esp overseas). And the best of all is living in the Inland Empire!!! (Just kidding...it sucks).
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So they arent heavy research based, but do they still have alot of research opp. for med students?
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I was a research associate at the school for a few years back in my California days, have a few publications out of there. Although I can't speak directly from a student's perspective because I was never a student there, they do have a lot of opportunities for research. In our department we had a lot of students come through. But just like every school, some areas are stronger than others. What are you interested in? The center I spent a lot of time in was one of their stronger spots. PM me if you want some info.
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It went pretty well. pretty standard interview.
My first interviewer was pretty awesome though. He is a pediatrician and also head of the heart transplant team. He had some interesting stories and was a lot more down to earth than i expected (i thought they would be very religiously uptight: not saying anything bad about the school).
definitely changed my impression of the school. Now i'm just waiting...
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Yeah . . . my bad 😀. There's been a few of us over the years that have had issues (Don't hang out with dental students!), but I only "out" myself here on this thread to let people know that you can tell the Deans you are having a problem with anything without fear. LLU really cares about you as a person and your personal growth is as important as your professional growth. I know this from my own experience, but also that of others - I know more than one person who has taken longer than 5 years to get through school because the school supported leaves of absence for personal reasons. (You may have to repeat a year, but hey, you're still going to be a member of the club)
This IS true. I've spent time talking to the dean of admissions about this point specifically and he said they might take ONE nonchristian student per year. The mission of LLU is to train Christian physician - period - if you do not synch with this idea you will not be accepted.
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Yeah dude - but perhaps will not be open much longer. I heard rumor it's gone bankrupt . . . that's rumor
The place has the cheapest water-slides around - when it's 110 F in August, the slides can turn a miserable day into a fun one
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The clinical training at Loma Linda is ridiculously awesome - you will trade some reputation for awesome clinical training. With a University (that acts like a county hosp because it doesnt turn anyone away), two county hospitals, and a VA to rotate through, your clinical experience will be extremely diverse and excellent - outside of surgery there are no douchebag clinical faculty. Student's get to do A LOT, especially at Riversied County, where you will do everything (co-signed naturally) from the admission H&P and orders, daily progress notes that count, to daily orders, to discharge summary - student's do all of that, while normally carrying 3-5 patients all your own. The VA is pretty similar, with less patients to deal with at any given time. It all seems like a lot of work by the time you are done with 4th year, but if you go and rotate anywhere else, you had the other student's their ass. It's a real trial by fire and I think it makes better docs.
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man, sounds awesome.
Is it one of those deals where you can't drink even when you go home on vacations?
Is it one of those deals where you can't drink even when you go home on vacations?
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LLU is more willing to work with you initially to get you help rather than just kick you out.
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That's right. You have to be really trying to get kicked out
Nope. I think we should send letters of interest soon.
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Should we lose hope? I havent heard anything either and the only place I want to be is Loma Linda...
Does anybody know when the next time the ad com meets is? And when should we consider ourselves in trouble? Thanks!
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I'm no longer expecting an invite from Loma Linda and I check my inbox less frequently now - once every 2 or 3 days. If something good happens to me, that'd be great. If not, I'm ready to move on to plan B.
Best of luck everyone and I wish you all a happy and successful new year.
Cheers,
John
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Dont give up! Have faith and if you want it, it will be given to you. I havent lost hope yet, I am just wondering when the next time the ad com meets is.
Also, please share any stories of people getting the letter to interview in January or February, I think that will give us a nice boost, thanks!
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Keep hope alive. They are very slow. It has been proven before.
I have an interview on Jan 10.
Good luck everyone.
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Are there anymore interview days in March and April?
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Yes. This is the policy:
You should also note that the University holds that a drug, alcohol, and tobacco-free lifestyle is essential for achieving the goal of "wholeness." This means that all students agree to refrain from the use of tobacco, alcohol, and other "recreational" drugs while enrolled at the University.
Again, there are quite a few people who are pretty open about drinking (i.e. putting drinking pictures on facebook) without any negative consequences. The dean's office has much better ways to spend their time than investigating our lives to see if we have broken the rules. First, the dean's office cares for us both personally and professionally, and they believe that abstinence from alcohol is in our best interest. Although I don't like the policy, considering the stress of medical school they might be on to something. Secondly, they expect us to act as adults and honor our word...so they aren't going to treat us like untrustworthy adolescents by prying into our personal lives unless they are concerned for some reason.
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Is it wrong to believe in evolution? What is LLU's view on creationism and evolution?
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There are as many views on evolution as there are Christians. LLU doesn't care what you think about evolution as it doesn't really come up in class or in the wards. So if you are Christian, but you think we came from monkeys, LLU would consider you. If you are Christian, and you think that the world was created in 7 literal days, LLU would consider you. If you are Christian, and you beleve [insert whatever other theory is out there], LLU would consider you. Its a non-issue.
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Thanks. That makes me feel better because I'm afraid they may ask that question during the interview. I believe God creates the universe and all living things but not in 7 days and not out of clay. Hopefully that doesn't make me a bad Christian.
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They won't ask you that question. They actually do not really ask any questions about your religion in detail.
I just interviewed and I totally loved it. The school is great.
I really, no I mean REALLY loved the student body.
Not the body of the student.
Don't get me wrong. But everyone is extremely nice and helpful. They really are into student success.
The facility is very run down though. Simulation lab is prehistoric. We had better equipment at junior college. Lecture halls are small and a little gettho.
The hospital is very nice though. Curriculum is a little unique (old) Lecture notes are sometimes not sufficient. Illustrations are hand-drawn 😱. Sim lab is extremely small for 195 students. Student per body ratio is the largest I have seen 8 to 1. Reminds me of off-shore schools.
Cost of living is rather high.
I see a lot of areas for improvement in terms of facility, equipment, curriculum, teaching material, sylabus, anatomy lab. And I am not sure it will be done before we start the classes. But the factor that draws me to schools is number one my faith and extreme sense of brotherhood among students and faculty. They care about you and your success more than they care about anything else. And that means a lot to me.
So here is a question. Is it better to go to a school with people factor being a plus, but facility/curriculum factor being a minus, or is it better to go to a school with better curriculum and state of the art facility, but not so friendly student body and faculty.
I just wonder what you think.
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