Madagascar Part TWWo - Game Thread

[WildZoo]

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they almost entirely avoided interacting on D1

I guess I find it hard to believe they'd fully avoid interacting with each other like that. Especially with one of them on the board. It doesn't fit with how either of them tend to wolf.

 

[Santygrass]

Cute and Cuddly, Boys - Day 1 Tally

dubz () -
Santy () -
Clem () -
Zenge (2) - Vis 13, genny 10
April (3) - Clem 14, Santy 9, Zenge 28
Vis (1) - SAR 6

6/9
Missing: April 32, dubz 42, PSV 23

Vote closes at 10pm EST (9pm CST/7pm fantasyland) on Thursday, 12/15 (~5.5 hours)

Hi no one is talking and yeet closes in like, four hours

How do people feel about PSV so far?

Sorry guys I've had no internet all day today because my phone is malfunctioning which is the most annoying thing ever. I'm at work now but should be home in an hour or two to catch up.

 

[WildZoo]

A repeat of Lit Fic D1 😱

Lord things like this make me twitchy lol


Anyway I'mma sleep on it and get back to y'all in the morning

 

[Santygrass]

I believe SAR when they said they were out for external reasons and stuff. But that also explains why the wolves couldnt move the day elsewhere since April was mostly alone.

And when SAR comes into thread, April starts setting up a PSV push , which SAR follows.

Meanwhile, if we assume W!PSV: PSV starts a super baseless push on me after almost doing whatever most of the day when their packmate was in the lead.

I think between those two scenarios I pick SAR as the yeet for today.

I am at SAR > Clem/PSV > Vis > Dubz/Zenge

 

[WildZoo]

I guess I find it hard to believe they'd fully avoid interacting with each other like that. Especially with one of them on the board. It doesn't fit with how either of them tend to wolf.

Addendum that SAR wasn't around too much so perhaps grain of salt there

I can tell I'm being sentimental on one hand and tunnely on the other so another reason to sleep on it!

 

[Clem J]

Cute and Cuddly, Boys - Day 1 Tally

Dubz () -
Santy ()
Clem () -
Zenge (1) - Vis
April (5) - Clem, Santy, Zenge, Dubz, PSV
Vis ()
PSV (3) - SAR, genny, April

9/9 voting
Missing: none

CHECK YOUR VOTES, AND THEN GET READY TO WAIT A WHILE FOR WRITE UP.

Basic bitch vca says sar and psv are probably town here given April was around close to eod

Wildzoo probably town for their vote timing too

Those three plus my n0 vis is a winning towncore, the only question is which of santy/zenge i fake a red on today

 

[Viscernable]

But why resist voting for her best option for survival until so late in the day?

This is troubling but sometimes as a wolf it’s scary to vote the most likely misyeet and she may have been worried about not being able to make it look believable until late enough that she could say “self prez, I had no choice!”. I know in the end she did about-face to wolf-read PSV but she had someone else’s post to point to as “yes this is reason I changed my mind”

 

[Santygrass]

Basic bitch vca says sar and psv are probably town here given April was around close to eod

Wildzoo probably town for their vote timing too

Those three plus my n0 vis is a winning towncore, the only question is which of santy/zenge i fake a red on today

Explain SAR read and why is it basic ?

 

[Clem J]

Explain SAR read and why is it basic ?

As I recall there was a stretch where zenge and/or you were more viable than psv, and genny was town on psv

If sar is mafia zenge is a better cw than psv because you might flip me off of April given my stated desire to kill zenge, if sar is town tho it makes sense for April to see psv as more viable cw

Apply similar logic for why psv is more likely town, although admittedly it isn't as strong in that direction

 

[Clem J]

It does rely on the assumption that mafia play at least somewhat logically which is not always the case, but with so much leeway available I prefer to work with that assumption for at least one or two days and see where it leads us

 

[potentialsheltervet]

As I recall there was a stretch where zenge and/or you were more viable than psv, and genny was town on psv

If sar is mafia zenge is a better cw than psv because you might flip me off of April given my stated desire to kill zenge, if sar is town tho it makes sense for April to see psv as more viable cw

Apply similar logic for why psv is more likely town, although admittedly it isn't as strong in that direction

At the point SAR was around, I made a lot more sense as a counterwagon. Santy was never really viable given I was basically the only person pushing there at all.
April didn't yeet me until pretty late as well.

 

[Clem J]

Well I green checked them n1 anyways so it doesn't really matter

 

[kaydubs]

*lurks*

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

I can see that I'm gathering heat already today but just saying that leaving thread to go to bed if I had a wolf partner on the board would be epically dumb, especially in a small game like this.

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

Yeet PSV

The reluctance from April to vote there until the very end felt weird. Like maybe they were strategizing in wolf chat about whether they could feasibly turn the vote elsewhere then finally decided they'd have to cross vote and lose one. Felt possibly like a wolf pack panicking because they were both on the board D1

 

[WildZoo]

Sleeping on it did not help, I'm still very torn between PSV and SAR.

I do not really understand Clem's take at all, and don't find a Santy/Zenge POE all that compelling.

No way does Zenge accuse April of pocketing him and reignite that yeet if they're partners.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Well I green checked them n1 anyways so it doesn't really matter

Who are you referring to here?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

@SARdoghandler What made you decide to yeet me and then stay on me when April was in danger? Without saying anything about the prominent lead wagon (April)?

 

[HRH Queeb SAR]

@SARdoghandler What made you decide to yeet me and then stay on me when April was in danger? Without saying anything about the prominent lead wagon (April)?

I did actually comment on April in the last couple of hours. I said that the longer she resisted offering another counter wagon to you (since she seemed disinclined to yeet you), the sketchier it made her look. In the end, I was fine with either you or April being yeeted so was comfortable going to bed.

I stayed on you because I still had the higher sketch points for you, but that could also be part of my bias from April being my nooblet. I don't like voting for her unless she truly is my scummiest read

 

[Clem J]

Who are you referring to here?

Sar

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Sar

What is your reasoning for faking a green check on SAR?

 

[Clem J]

What is your reasoning for faking a green check on SAR?

If I were faking a check it would be a red lol we discussed this yesterday

 

[WildZoo]

I can see that I'm gathering heat already today but just saying that leaving thread to go to bed if I had a wolf partner on the board would be epically dumb, especially in a small game like this.

I was ruminating on it possibly serving as an excuse for you to stay on the viable counterwagon, but then I suppose it would have looked bad if things had shifted and you'd shown back up and switched votes, so maybe if that were the strategy it would have been better for you to not say you were leaving.

Hmm.

 

[WildZoo]

@Zenge142 what are your thoughts pls

 

[kaydubs]

Evasive maneuvers, boys - Day 2 Tally

PSV (2) - DubZ, SAR
SAR (2) - Vis, Santy

4/7 voting
@SARdoghandler and @potentialsheltervet : you share the lead!
Missing: @Clem J @Zenge142 @potentialsheltervet

Vote closes at 10pm EST (9pm CST/7pm fantasyland) on Sunday, 12/18 (~28.5 hours).

 

[Clem J]

vote zenge

 

[potentialsheltervet]

vote zenge

This ain't it. You think he switched off of a packmates onto the counter wagon and then switched back shortly before close to bury his packmates? No way.

 

[Santygrass]

Nah. Zenge is just town.


Dubs I think could be cleared as well. I think that anyone trying to form a PoE should start there.

I think I am okay with Psv/Sar being the wagons today, tho I admit that prefer Sar greatly today but also not getting the point Clem is saying to clear them. Might reread that later and check it

 

[Zenge142]

question is which of santy/zenge i fake a red on today

 

[Zenge142]

vote zenge

🤣

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Like @Clem J I don't know how we're supposed to take anything you say seriously when you stated you'd fake a red on April, speculated whether to fake a red on Zenge or Santy, and you're now claiming a green check on SAR.

 

[Santygrass]

Like @Clem J I don't know how we're supposed to take anything you say seriously when you stated you'd fake a red on April, speculated whether to fake a red on Zenge or Santy, and you're now claiming a green check on SAR.

Just ignore the check stuff they are saying and focus on the reads aspect of it

 

[Santygrass]

Cute and Cuddly, Boys - Day 1 Tally

Dubz () -
Santy () -
Clem () -
Zenge (2) - Vis, genny
April (4) - Clem, Santy, Zenge, Dubz
Vis (1) - SAR

7/9 voting
@Aprilthearab, you are in the lead!
Missing: @potentialsheltervet and @Aprilthearab

Vote closes at 10pm EST (9pm CST/7pm fantasyland) on Thursday, 12/15 (~2 hours)

POST CAP IS NOW LIFTED

I think I understand Clem point.

As wolf, with 2 towns in Zenge, wolves pushing PSV instead lf Zenge is kinda suboptimal , so that why they are clearing them hmmmm

Can someone inform me of whether they feel like Zenge is still a harder yeet to push? Last time I was relatively active I would have put him at a similar level to a Dubz push

Hmmmm

 

[Santygrass]

Hi how are you feeling about your Vis yeet

This was to SAR hmmm

I think I'd be voting for Vis if she hadn't been misyeeted D1 last game. She's really poking around without much conviction.

Yeet Santy

He's probably busy IRL but I went back and read over his posts. There aren't many but they don't make me feel good about him at all. There's roleplaying but I don't like the way he responded to Clem's claim. He said he didn't think it would be a good line of questioning to push. That's also the last post he dropped.
It feels like scum masquerading as a village concern.

This is such suboptimal play if scum wah I dont know.

I think there are points to be made still because I also think that genny kill wasnt optimal either so hum

Cute and Cuddly, Boys - Day 1 Tally

Dubz () -
Santy (1) - PSV
Clem () -
Zenge (2) - Vis, genny
April (4) - Clem, Santy, Zenge, Dubz
Vis (1) - SAR

8/9 voting
@Aprilthearab, you are in the lead!
Missing: @Aprilthearab

Vote closes at 10pm EST (9pm CST/7pm fantasyland) on Thursday, 12/15 (~1 hour 42 minutes)

Hmm Intensifies

Part of me wants to embrace the chaos and yeet Zenge because then it would be e x c i t i n g but I can't point at any particular wolfy vibe yet

 

[Santygrass]

I have changed my mind

Unyeet SAR

Yeet PSV

 

[Santygrass]

The power of actually reading

I mean I don't like how hard he's pushing my "I like these posts" as pocketing but I recognize my own bias

(and I would like to survive today, maybe)

Oho maybe if SAR votes Zenge and I self prez, we can make a tie

Those two post still have W/W equity ftr

Cute and Cuddly, Boys - Day 1 Tally

Dubz () -
Santy (1) - PSV
Clem () -
Zenge (1) - Vis
April (3) - Clem, Santy, Dubz
Vis ()
PSV (3) - SAR, genny, Zenge

A tie!
8/9 voting
@Aprilthearab and @potentialsheltervet, you are in the lead!
Missing: @Aprilthearab

Vote closes at 10pm EST (9pm CST/7pm fantasyland) on Thursday, 12/15 (~1 hour 10 minutes)

The tie, April has odds of Self Pressing to survive and how they handle it is.... Weird

What's giving you bad feelings about PSV?

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the chance at life, I just want to know where you're coming from with PSV because I'm not really seeing it

Here's PSV's posts about Dubz, Clem, me, and Vis leading up to the Santy yeet














A lot of it started out feeling like pretty NAI early D1 sus that I wouldn't have felt icky about in isolation, so it makes sense that I didn't pick up on anything sketchy before

But stringing all of these together does make it look like she didn't have much conviction or consistency in her posts, just testing the waters, and the Santy read seemed to come out of nowhere

PSV why did you decide Santy (who hasn't checked in in quite a while) over Clem/Dubz/me and what made you decide to go back and read over his posts in particular? Has your early opinion on Dubz changed?

This last post specially feels awfully hedgy for a scum that only has to do a self pres to survive the day

 

[potentialsheltervet]

This is such suboptimal play if scum wah I dont know.

😡 Are you calling me suboptimal sir?

 

[Santygrass]

quick, let's all vote SAR

(!!!!)

Joking but still funny lol.

I don't really think I want to vote April. But I also don't really want to die. A dilemma.

Yeah. If I self prez on you, you self prez on me. That is the dilemma.

Well... to be honest, if no one else moves, @Aprilthearab you could move to me and I won't retaliate.
Losing one villager is better than losing the whole village.
I'd still prefer someone move.

This post with like, less than 15 minutes for day to end in context are like, reeeally bad lol.

Unyeet April yeet PSV


Guess I had to decide on my own time to sheep, smh

Ope well that breaks the tie

Yeet PSV

April moves after someone else breakes the tie and the yeet of PSV feels absolute .

Unyeet PSV

yeet April

Unyeet PSV yeet April

And then thosd two votes come in and both of them should be lock villa level of trust and Idk why one of them isnt dead rn but makes me lean into psv doing weird kill that bite them afterwards hmmyes

 

[Santygrass]

😡 Are you calling me suboptimal sir?

I think at this point, the last wolf didnt have a good phase 1 either. No offense to whoever is it left, it happens and would gladly be proven wrong in the end if its someone like Zenge or Dubz, but I think those two are lock town rn and in no world I see myself rescinding that read. So that + Town cop should make this game almos mechlocked maybe

 

[Santygrass]

Like, killing genny that voted both of April counterwagons and wasnt a townread I feel like isnt optimal either

 

[supershorty]

Evasive maneuvers, boys - Day 2 Tally

PSV (3) - Dubz, SAR, Santy
SAR (1) - Vis
Zenge (1) - Clem

5/7 voting
@potentialsheltervet, you are in the lead!
Missing: @potentialsheltervet and @Zenge142

Vote closes at 10pm EST (9pm CST/7pm fantasyland) on Sunday, 12/18 (~24.25 hours).

 

[Santygrass]

@Clem J get your vote off Zenge, this is an order.

Looking at votecounts Zeng should be 100% cleared

 

[Viscernable]

This was to SAR hmmm





This is such suboptimal play if scum wah I dont know.

I think there are points to be made still because I also think that genny kill wasnt optimal either so hum



Hmm Intensifies

I don’t know how to feel about either of their votes at that point. Neither seems like super scum play nor impossible for scum. I can’t quite let go of the idea that SAR was probing for how other people were feeling about Z to see if they might be willing to hop on a wagon, under the guise of looking into my vote

 

[Viscernable]

😡 Are you calling me suboptimal sir?

Are you wolfbragging?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I think at this point, the last wolf didnt have a good phase 1 either. No offense to whoever is it left, it happens and would gladly be proven wrong in the end if its someone like Zenge or Dubz, but I think those two are lock town rn and in no world I see myself rescinding that read. So that + Town cop should make this game almos mechlocked maybe

I remember you saying something about a previous game being basically mechlocked and I think it was when you and AM stormed village, and that is making me worried.
But your April-related play still doesn't make much sense.

Are you wolfbragging?

It would be the opposite lol

 

[Zenge142]

It would be the opposite lol

Like Wolf!SelfDeprecating?

 

[WildZoo]

Good morning fronds

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Like Wolf!SelfDeprecating?

If I were a wolf, yes

 

[WildZoo]

@potentialsheltervet I just noticed your title

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Seems discussion has stagnated...
@Clem J Please explain why you think Zenge is a wolf.