My peds program director doesn’t like P/F grading. They have no idea how you did in dental school. Many P/F schools will still allude to your class rank in your dean’s letter when you apply. Doing well on the ADAT or CBSE gives program directors a quantifiable metric to evaluate you on.
Not trying to instigate anything, but isn’t it kinda unfair to say things like this when we don’t know anything about the OP or how they paid for dental school? Or if they even went to Roseman in the first place?
The sad reality is the number one thing affecting dental students is student loans. Once you take out student loans, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. You have to pay them. If you attend a school like Roseman, the very first question you should be asking yourself is if you can even afford to specialize. 600k dental debt + 200k for a specialty like ortho makes no sense.
I don’t think anyone is debating this. It’s pretty obvious that exorbitant amounts of debt can be debilitating... it just becomes annoying when people assume things about another’s financial situation, especially when the primary aim of this post was P/F schools and residency - not “hey, should I apply to ortho? this is my debt load btw”
I find this so amusing. Why is ortho the whipping boy around here on SDN? This website has such a weird culture, which is why I rarely come here. Based on the most recent data I could find (2018 - table 3), orthodontists made the second highest of any specialty, second to oral surgery. But, that's subject to fluctuation. And somebody shouldn't choose a specialty based on how much it pays anyway. If you find you would hate yourself going to work every day you probably shouldn't do a job no matter how much it pays. On the contrary, if you love what you are doing then its up to the individual to decide if the price tag is worth it for them.
Let's say you're 600k in dental school debt and then go 200k in debt for ortho like I said. By the time interest has accrued, you'll be looking at 1 million dollars in debt. How can you possibly justify that? I'm not knocking ortho as a profession, it's clearly a sweet gig, I'm knocking the ridiculous debt load it takes to get there. Listen to this orthodontist on Dave Ramsey. He knows he's in a financial mess.
Or rather they are hospital associated programs. There are ortho hospital programs that don't charge tuition either, and give a stipend. But I talked to a director of an OMFS program who said that they get the same stipend medical residents, however it was spread throughout 6 years of the OMFS program instead of the 4 years for a medical resident. Not sure if they had to pay for the 2 years of medical rotations they had to do either. But anyways, this OMFS director told me they had students graduate with over a million dollars of debt. So yeah dental residents graduating with sick amounts of debt is not unique to ortho.
I’m not aware of any OMFS, perio, or endo programs as questionably pay-to-play as the Georgia School of Orthodontics or CTOR.
My school's endo program charges over $200k and most people come in after doing an AEGD or GPR. One of the endos is in 600K debt.
Does the endo program make applicants provide bank statements as part of the application?
That's because you are spending too much time on this website.
There is a way it can happen. I was literally speaking to a former dean of admissions of an OMFS program who was involved with the CDCA exam and he said it was happening all the time at his school. Think about it, you go to an expensive private school, then you pay for two more years of school. Interest accrues the whole time, then you make a miserable amount while you are a resident.. He said it was about $27,000-$30,000 per year (because you have to stretch the stipend over 6 years) which depending on where you live may not cover all of the cost of living per year... It's easy to see how the cost of attendance + living costs + interest could put you over one million.
Meant to say the dean of the program. And it's not "extremely unlikely". It happens. Who are you calling a liar, me or him? I bet I could hook you up with his information if you want to chat.
Your account has the most amount of badges, I’m really impressed! (Staff, admin, mod, physician, faculty, lifetime donor, verified expert, 7 year member) By far the most I’ve seen lol
I guess I go to a pay to play school, but it's not Ivy nor a DO affiliated dental school. Very respectable actually.
Easier said than done. OMFS has around a 50% Match rate, and that doesn’t factor in applicants that didn’t get a single interview.
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Easier said than done. OMFS has around a 50% Match rate, and that doesn’t factor in applicants that didn’t get a single interview.
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You proposed that people neck deep in debt go into OMFS to dig themselves out of it. People following that “advice” should know what they’re up against. Hence my response. Sorry you don’t like statistics.
If I were you, I’d shoot for a 4 year OMFS program over a 6 year program. That gives you two more years of earning potential and you’re not adding on 2 years of med school tuition. That’s what I would do, but you do you.
Are you saying they ask you about personal finances during a residency or dental school interview? I never once had that experience. what school is doing that?
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