Mid Term Elections- Lessons Learned

[deleted87051]

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What about the conglomerate commercial insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies along with for-profit hospital systems? We cant just single out the govt programs.

These companies continue to grow while limiting their care and increasing the cost every year, mainly to pay the administrators millions a year:

UnitedHealth Group earned $17.3B in 2021, according to earnings report

The company's full-year revenue grew more than $30 billion, or 11.8%, to $287.6 billion year-over-year.

www.healthcarefinancenews.com

Seven health insurance CEOs raked in a record $283 million last year

Health insurance CEOs are registering record levels of pay. Experts say their incentives are “messed up.”

www.statnews.com

Total CEO compensation in the last 10 years​

Sum of all compensation by company since 2012

Cigna

$365,959,592
UnitedHealth Group

$349,470,281
Centene

$322,619,510
CVS-Aetna

$265,741,187
Humana

$187,880,631
Anthem-WellPoint

$166,515,815
Molina Healthcare

$112,148,401

It’s not just for-profit hospital systems. Remember this joker/genius from not for profit Sanford health? Now they are laying people off.

Ex-Sanford Health CEO got $49.5M payout after departure following unscientific remarks about COVID-19

SIOUX FALLS, S.D. — Former Sanford Health CEO Kelby Krabbenhoft received a $49.5 million payout as part of his abrupt departure from the health system in late 2020, according to federal tax documen…

www.twincities.com

 

[deleted87051]

All we have to do to fix a lot of problems in this country is outlaw corporate lobbying and political activity (as in most countries, and this one until 40+ years ago). Then, suddenly, politicians would start caring more about "the people".

Corporations have rights like you and me.

Citizens United Explained

The 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted political influence toward wealthy donors and corporations.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[deleted1147063]

Corporations have rights like you and me.

Citizens United Explained

The 2010 Supreme Court decision further tilted political influence toward wealthy donors and corporations.

www.brennancenter.org

I know. One of the more idiotic Supreme Court decisions.

 

[aimedicine]

The results of the mid term elections were pretty clear to me that the country is still moderate/centrist and for many states that is the candidate which will win elections. I hope the era of Trump is over and TOXIC TRUMP will go retire in his multiple homes.

Trump the person, isn't good for the GOP or this nation. While I voted for Mr. Trump 2 x in previous elections, I believe his time is past and the nation needs to move on from the man.

We can continue to debate policies, disagree on many issues, but we must work together for the good of the country.

@BLADEMDA Would you vote for Ron Desantis out of Florida if/when he runs for president ?

 

[Splenda88]

Which political party would have a bigger advantage if election were compulsory in the US?

 

[vector2]

Which political party would have a bigger advantage if election were compulsory in the US?

Democratic.

 

[deleted1147063]

Bill Barr: Trump Will Burn Down the GOP. Time for New Leadership.

The Republican Party has a historic opportunity to revive the old Reagan coalition. The person standing in the way is the 45th president, writes the former attorney general.

www.commonsense.news

 

[Onefellswoop87]

Bill Barr: Trump Will Burn Down the GOP. Time for New Leadership.

The Republican Party has a historic opportunity to revive the old Reagan coalition. The person standing in the way is the 45th president, writes the former attorney general.

www.commonsense.news

Barr, McMasters, Paul Ryan, Bolton, John Kelly, etc - it’s a long list of people who sang his praises, turned a blind eye to Trump’s actions and antics, and now or at the end of his term finally spoke up. But it all seems disingenuous. As long as you have the likes of Ted Cruz and Lindsay Graham falling on their kne, ahem, falling over themselves to kiss the ring, he’s not out.
The primaries weren’t as much of the writing on the wall that some think. “His candidates” won the primaries and then Trump gets to blame everyone else that they didn’t win the general elections. The same will be true for the presidential election. With a consistent floor of support of 30-40% of the GOP, he’ll likely win the GOP nomination against a dozen contenders, and then lose the general election.

(This all assuming he’s not convicted of felonies by then. Garland doesn’t appoint a special counsel if he’s just gonna override an indictment and bury it.)

 

[pgg]

(This all assuming he’s not convicted of felonies by then. Garland doesn’t appoint a special counsel if he’s just gonna override an indictment and bury it.)

A felony conviction seven years from now won't affect a 2024 run.

Lawyers wave their hands and judges grant four month procedural extensions. Nothing is quick about the process. I mean, we're coming up on 2023 already and he left office Jan 2021. He hasn't even been charged with anything yet.

What's left of the conservative GOP needs to get its **** together and save itself from the Cult. The courts sure won't do it in time - if ever.

 

[Onefellswoop87]

A felony conviction seven years from now won't affect a 2024 run.

Lawyers wave their hands and judges grant four month procedural extensions. Nothing is quick about the process. I mean, we're coming up on 2023 already and he left office Jan 2021. He hasn't even been charged with anything yet.

What's left of the conservative GOP needs to get its **** together and save itself from the Cult. The courts sure won't do it in time - if ever.

I don’t generally disagree with you. Though I do think an indictment will come before the election but a trial and then a verdict is probably a very long time from now. And if guilty, those appeals will go on for years.
And will it energize his base? Who knows. The prior investigations did but this is more difficult to spin as a political witch-hunt. He’ll try (is trying) but I’m not sure that spaghetti is sticking to the wall.

 

[DazedWanderer]

You don't see why DeSantis is toxic? He is a much more competent version of Trump that is towing all the culture war issues of the right and wants to pwn the Dems as much as Trump does.

But he's towing the culture war issues that are actually popular amongst the general electorate. Progressive lunacy on stuff like woke school curriculum and the open border crisis have overwhelmingly proven unpopular amongst the general electorate in just about all nationwide polling. Despite this, dems continue to double down. A lot of people are pissed off, including many moderates/independents. Just not pissed off enough to vote for unhinged MAGA candidates. DeSantis plays to this discontent, and exploits these democrat policy weaknesses by offering a sane alternative that actually polls well while simultaneously avoiding the right wing lunacy that has proven unpopular amongst moderates such as Trump's incredibly childish ad hominem insults and exhausting election denialism non-sense. DeSantis also speaks and carries himself much more presidentially than Trump. He has a proven record of successful governance as he is immensely popular in Florida, which is particularly significant because Florida is a purple state, meaning he has to win over nearly all independents and swing voters in order to achieve hugely lopsided margins, which he did handily. If his appeal to independents outside of Florida is anywhere close to the same, it will be a 2024 landslide. He has all the strengths that made Trump popular without the flaws that brought him down.

 

[deleted87051]

But he's towing the culture war issues that are actually popular amongst the general electorate. Progressive lunacy on stuff like woke school curriculum and the open border crisis have overwhelmingly proven unpopular amongst the general electorate in just about all nationwide polling. Despite this, dems continue to double down. A lot of people are pissed off, including many moderates/independents. Just not pissed off enough to vote for unhinged MAGA candidates. DeSantis plays to this discontent, and exploits these democrat policy weaknesses by offering a sane alternative that actually polls well while simultaneously avoiding the right wing lunacy that has proven unpopular amongst moderates such as Trump's incredibly childish ad hominem insults and exhausting election denialism non-sense. DeSantis also speaks and carries himself much more presidentially than Trump. He has a proven record of successful governance as he is immensely popular in Florida, which is particularly significant because Florida is a purple state, meaning he has to win over nearly all independents and swing voters in order to achieve hugely lopsided margins, which he did handily. If his appeal to independents outside of Florida is anywhere close to the same, it will be a 2024 landslide. He has all the strengths that made Trump popular without the flaws that brought him down.

He made it illegal for kids to sing “deck the halls” in school.

 

[DazedWanderer]

He made it illegal for kids to sing “deck the halls” in school.

Do you actually believe this nonsense?

 

[ucladoc2b]

But he's towing the culture war issues that are actually popular amongst the general electorate. Progressive lunacy on stuff like woke school curriculum and the open border crisis have overwhelmingly proven unpopular amongst the general electorate in just about all nationwide polling. Despite this, dems continue to double down. A lot of people are pissed off, including many moderates/independents. Just not pissed off enough to vote for unhinged MAGA candidates. DeSantis plays to this discontent, and exploits these democrat policy weaknesses by offering a sane alternative that actually polls well while simultaneously avoiding the right wing lunacy that has proven unpopular amongst moderates such as Trump's incredibly childish ad hominem insults and exhausting election denialism non-sense. DeSantis also speaks and carries himself much more presidentially than Trump. He has a proven record of successful governance as he is immensely popular in Florida, which is particularly significant because Florida is a purple state, meaning he has to win over nearly all independents and swing voters in order to achieve hugely lopsided margins, which he did handily. If his appeal to independents outside of Florida is anywhere close to the same, it will be a 2024 landslide. He has all the strengths that made Trump popular without the flaws that brought him down.

I’m not so sure those are popular with the general electorate outside of Florida. They are for sure popular with the GOP base.

 

[vector2]

Do you actually believe this nonsense?

90% of the things DeSantis rails against are imagined or perceived threats that play well with his MAGAish base. Not actually things which are getting passed/happening broadly across the country.

 

[chessknt]

But he's towing the culture war issues that are actually popular amongst the general electorate. Progressive lunacy on stuff like woke school curriculum and the open border crisis have overwhelmingly proven unpopular amongst the general electorate in just about all nationwide polling. Despite this, dems continue to double down. A lot of people are pissed off, including many moderates/independents. Just not pissed off enough to vote for unhinged MAGA candidates. DeSantis plays to this discontent, and exploits these democrat policy weaknesses by offering a sane alternative that actually polls well while simultaneously avoiding the right wing lunacy that has proven unpopular amongst moderates such as Trump's incredibly childish ad hominem insults and exhausting election denialism non-sense. DeSantis also speaks and carries himself much more presidentially than Trump. He has a proven record of successful governance as he is immensely popular in Florida, which is particularly significant because Florida is a purple state, meaning he has to win over nearly all independents and swing voters in order to achieve hugely lopsided margins, which he did handily. If his appeal to independents outside of Florida is anywhere close to the same, it will be a 2024 landslide. He has all the strengths that made Trump popular without the flaws that brought him down.

Wait people are pissed off about woke curriculum? Like what, teaching kids in elementary school that some boys like other boys and girls like other girls and that the world isn't binary? Do we have an example of what a woke curriculum is and why we need to make laws against it? The open border crisis? How does that impact Florida, a state that shares a border with 0 foreign countries to the point where he had to import immigrants for his little human trafficking stunt.

Absolutely insane that you think this is reasonable/moderate but it tracks since you vote for that party. He will win 2024 but it won't be because people voted him but rather because the SCOTUS rigged the game in his favor and his party gerrymandered the state legislatures to guarantee a republican win.

 

[chocomorsel]

He is smarter than Trump but seems to be more angry and have even more grievances than Trump. He has an awesome life. He should just enjoy it.

I thought the dude was in his fifties! Only to realize he’s my age. Holy **** he looks old!

 

[deleted87051]

Do you actually believe this nonsense?

What nonsense? If you mean teaching kids that there is nothing wrong with them if they happen to be gay, absolutely.

 

[DazedWanderer]

Wait people are pissed off about woke curriculum? Like what, teaching kids in elementary school that some boys like other boys and girls like other girls and that the world isn't binary? Do we have an example of what a woke curriculum is and why we need to make laws against it?

You could have stopped after the first sentence. The rest is simply your opinion on woke curriculum, which has no bearing on what other people think of it. Of course most democrats are going to agree with it and most republicans will disagree with it. But in the context of DeSantis electoral prospects and the sensibility of his platform in garnering votes, all that really matters is what voters in swing states think. Turns out they actually have a pretty strong opinion, and they agree with DeSantis.

One poll question found that voters, by a 32 percentage-point margin, said they were more likely to vote for candidates who believe public schools should focus less on teaching race and more on core subjects. By 27 points, they said schools should be banned from teaching sexual orientation and gender identity to kids in kindergarten through third grade. By 28 points, they said transgender athletes should be banned from competing in girls’ sports.

DeSantis' education message is winning in battleground states, teacher union poll finds

Florida’s governor was bitterly criticized on the left for his education policies and rhetoric, but battleground voters appear to favor much of what he's been saying and doing.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[DazedWanderer]

What nonsense? If you mean teaching kids that there is nothing wrong with them if they happen to be gay, absolutely.

This nonsense

He made it illegal for kids to sing “deck the halls” in school.

 

[chessknt]

You could have stopped after the first sentence. The rest is simply your opinion on woke curriculum, which has no bearing on what other people think of it. Of course most democrats are going to agree with it and most republicans will disagree with it. But in the context of DeSantis electoral prospects and the sensibility of his platform in garnering votes, all that really matters is what voters in swing states think. Turns out they actually have a pretty strong opinion, and they agree with DeSantis.

DeSantis' education message is winning in battleground states, teacher union poll finds

Florida’s governor was bitterly criticized on the left for his education policies and rhetoric, but battleground voters appear to favor much of what he's been saying and doing.

www.nbcnews.com

What example though? I have kids in school, they learned about native Americans, is that woke? What are you a tually talking about?

 

[DazedWanderer]

What example though? I have kids in school, they learned about native Americans, is that woke? What are you a tually talking about?

I am not making an argument for or against it. I am simply saying his messaging on woke curriculum in schools is empirically popular where it matters (swing states).

 

[chessknt]

I am not making an argument for or against it. I am simply saying his messaging on woke curriculum in schools is empirically popular where it matters (swing states).

But what the **** is it? Is it the math textbooks he banned except for the publisher that donated to his campaign? Is that woke? Like please provide an example in a major school district, not just some dumb**** teacher who has gone rogue but an actual curriculum and show me what this woke agenda is. The sf school district must be woke right--what are they doing?

 

[vector2]

You could have stopped after the first sentence. The rest is simply your opinion on woke curriculum, which has no bearing on what other people think of it. Of course most democrats are going to agree with it and most republicans will disagree with it. But in the context of DeSantis electoral prospects and the sensibility of his platform in garnering votes, all that really matters is what voters in swing states think. Turns out they actually have a pretty strong opinion, and they agree with DeSantis.

DeSantis' education message is winning in battleground states, teacher union poll finds

Florida’s governor was bitterly criticized on the left for his education policies and rhetoric, but battleground voters appear to favor much of what he's been saying and doing.

www.nbcnews.com

Interesting pic from one of the polls they quote

Education poll

www.documentcloud.org

The first interesting part is that no one, including conservatives, gives two fcks about critical race theory.

The second interesting tidbit is part of the broader (sad) commentary about today's conservatism. Lo and behold, it's not the subjective/distorted evidence in teaching about the history of racial issues that they have a problem with, but rather the fact that any teaching about the history of racial issues in America, period, is to be avoided due to perceived divisiveness.

Truly a wonder that they have the gall to call anyone else a snowflake when they're unwilling to let their children learn the full scope of American history, both good and bad, because their kids might feel just the slightest bit of discomfort.

 

[doctalaughs]

Absolutely insane that you think this is reasonable/moderate but it tracks since you vote for that party. He will win 2024 but it won't be because people voted him but rather because the SCOTUS rigged the game in his favor and his party gerrymandered the state legislatures to guarantee a republican win.

Doesn’t this statement sound a bit like Trump? If Desantis wins its because things are rigged, not because the electorate decided??

I personally voted democrat for over 60% of the presidential elections in my time (including 2x against Trump as he’s dangerous) — but I see myself voting for Desantis if he wins the nomination. Unless the democrats come up with someone better and not so old.

Whereas the border stuff with Martha’s Vineyard was definitely a political stunt- it made an effective point. We cannot continue with the way things are. We need to enforce the law— and strictly — in order to still have a country. We cannot let people think they will get sanctuary or illegal crossings will only rise exponentially. And democratic leaning non-border cities SHOULD share the influx of what their policies sow- we absolutely should bus 150k illegals per month across this country so voters can see the impacts in their communities, share in the “support” and decide fairly on the next steps.

Regarding schools/corporate wokism I agree like all politicians there is exaggeration. That being said - DEI trainings and corporate culture is often extreme in some places, and it’s not appropriate. From what I can tell - the media on the left also exaggerates the extreme nature of laws he introduced in Florida. You would think the laws are literally allowing lynching of lgbtq kids. All they say really is “no formal education about sexual orientation for kindergarten- 3rd grade.” Do you want your 1st grader being taught about transgender, bisexual etc issues in school? Why can’t parents do that at home, if they wish, at that young age? I just don’t see why it’s so controversial or why this stuff needs to be part of our public educational system. I certainly don’t remember that being part of the curriculum when we grew up.

 

[zizzer]

I know this isn't the current topic bieng discussed, but I want to chip in that I can think of no more concerning feature of a politician than one who tries to hold on to power after losing an election as Trump did. Any Republican who supported him after that or even failed to promptly condemn him will be a no go for me, regardless of how much I may like any of their policies otherwise.

 

[chessknt]

Doesn’t this statement sound a bit like Trump? If Desantis wins its because things are rigged, not because the electorate decided??

I personally voted democrat for over 60% of the presidential elections in my time (including 2x against Trump as he’s dangerous) — but I see myself voting for Desantis if he wins the nomination. Unless the democrats come up with someone better and not so old.

Whereas the border stuff with Martha’s Vineyard was definitely a political stunt- it made an effective point. We cannot continue with the way things are. We need to enforce the law— and strictly — in order to still have a country. We cannot let people think they will get sanctuary or illegal crossings will only rise exponentially. And democratic leaning non-border cities SHOULD share the influx of what their policies sow- we absolutely should bus 150k illegals per month across this country so voters can see the impacts in their communities, share in the “support” and decide fairly on the next steps.

Regarding schools/corporate wokism I agree like all politicians there is exaggeration. That being said - DEI trainings and corporate culture is often extreme in some places, and it’s not appropriate. From what I can tell - the media on the left also exaggerates the extreme nature of laws he introduced in Florida. You would think the laws are literally allowing lynching of lgbtq kids. All they say really is “no formal education about sexual orientation for kindergarten- 3rd grade.” Do you want your 1st grader being taught about transgender, bisexual etc issues in school? Why can’t parents do that at home, if they wish, at that young age? I just don’t see why it’s so controversial or why this stuff needs to be part of our public educational system. I certainly don’t remember that being part of the curriculum when we grew up.

So you think when SCOTUS unlocks the independent legislature in 2024 if WI and OH and AZ vote 51% Dem but all the electors they send are Republican handing the presidency to whoever the right sends, clearly against established precedent for every generation since the Great War, is equivalent to pretending the election was stolen with no proof? Like those two outcomes are equivalent in your mind? Is it because the 6-3 SCOTUS, a third ofnwhicenwas appointed by trump, told us it is legitimate based on a cracked legal theory designed to empower the right in perpetuity?

If ECRA passes then there will be some small protection but removing all judicial review from redistricting and voting law enforcement is absolutely insane. It will either be a mad power grab emboldened by insurmountable gerrymander or an acidic erosion of democracy that slowly dissolves even the specter of representative government we have now. I just can't understand how that would be comparable to a man baby throwing a tantrum about losing a popularity contest by claiming that it was because there was mass cheating,.then expending untold resources to prove his conclusion only to be told he was wrong.

 

[vector2]

Doesn’t this statement sound a bit like Trump? If Desantis wins its because things are rigged, not because the electorate decided??
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No.

You should look into how exactly FL went +4 GOP House seats in a year where the party in opposition to an unpopular president had the worst midterm showing in a generation.

 

[doctalaughs]

No.

You should look into how exactly FL went +4 GOP House seats in a year where the party in opposition to an unpopular president had the worst midterm showing in a generation.

Both parties gerrymander. And Desantis won 60% of the popular vote in Florida - a massive landslide by any measurement when every major race is usually 1-5% margin.

The truth is the redistributing might have tipped the scales a little - but he didn’t get those extra house seats without recruiting a ton of independents who have rejected Trump but agree 100% with Desantis on actual policies and reject the left’s.

The popular vote doesn’t lie, just as it didn’t with Trump despite all his fabrication, spin and whining.

 

[RadOncDoc21]

Both parties gerrymander. And Desantis won 60% of the popular vote in Florida - a massive landslide by any measurement when every major race is usually 1-5% margin.

The truth is the redistributing might have tipped the scales a little - but he didn’t get those extra house seats without recruiting a ton of independents who have rejected Trump but agree 100% with Desantis on actual policies and reject the left’s.

The popular vote doesn’t lie.

Yea but house seats are not true reflections of the popular vote. We can go on and on but it doesn’t matter, he would have won the governorship but the GOP got extra seats in the house… well played. Dems don’t know how to play the game.

 

[DazedWanderer]

No.

You should look into how exactly FL went +4 GOP House seats in a year where the party in opposition to an unpopular president had the worst midterm showing in a generation.

While overall republicans had an underwhelming showing nationally, Florida was a clear exception. Florida GOP actually expanded their vote margin of victory astronomically, in contrast to most of the rest of the country. Republicans won FL statewide votes by a 3% margin in 2020, they won by a 17% margin in 2022. If that kind of unprecedented swing in popular vote does not shift a few seats then the system is pointless. With a result that lopsided compared to the previous election it should be no surprise that at least a couple seats flip. Also one of their additional seats was from the electoral college reallocation of an extra seat to Florida, so really they only flipped 3 house seats while winning the state by 17% vs 3% in 2020 which shouldn't really be outside of what's expected.

That having been said, everyone should know that Florida was already gerrymandered to begin with. What people always seem to forget though is that the major democrat states are just as gerrymandered. People act like only the GOP does this, which is simply false. Major dem states like Illinois and California are just as bad.

Illinois democrats got 56.4% of the statewide votes but won 82.3% of the house seats, over-favoring DEM by 25.9%
California democrats got 56.5% of the statewide votes but won 76.9% of the house seats, over-favoring DEM by 20.4%
Florida republicans got 57.7% of the statewide votes but won 71.4% of the house seats, over-favoring GOP by 13.7%
Texas republicans got 54.8% of the statewide votes but won 65.8% of the house seats, over-favoring GOP by 11.0%

So from an objective statistical standpoint Illinois and California are even more gerrymandered than Florida and Texas, but you will only ever hear people complaining about Florida and Texas being gerrymandered. Wonder why that is?

 

[chessknt]

While overall republicans had an underwhelming showing nationally, Florida was a clear exception. Florida GOP actually expanded their vote margin of victory astronomically, in contrast to most of the rest of the country. Republicans won FL statewide votes by a 3% margin in 2020, they won by a 17% margin in 2022. If that kind of unprecedented swing in popular vote does not shift a few seats then the system is pointless. With a result that lopsided compared to the previous election it should be no surprise that at least a couple seats flip. Also one of their additional seats was from the electoral college reallocation of an extra seat to Florida, so really they only flipped 3 house seats while winning the state by 17% vs 3% in 2020 which shouldn't really be outside of what's expected.

That having been said, everyone should know that Florida was already gerrymandered to begin with. What people always seem to forget though is that the major democrat states are just as gerrymandered. People act like only the GOP does this, which is simply false. Major dem states like Illinois and California are just as bad.

Illinois democrats got 56.4% of the statewide votes but won 82.3% of the house seats, over-favoring DEM by 25.9%
California democrats got 56.5% of the statewide votes but won 76.9% of the house seats, over-favoring DEM by 20.4%
Florida republicans got 57.7% of the statewide votes but won 71.4% of the house seats, over-favoring GOP by 13.7%
Texas republicans got 54.8% of the statewide votes but won 65.8% of the house seats, over-favoring GOP by 11.0%

So from an objective statistical standpoint Illinois and California are even more gerrymandered than Florida and Texas, but you will only ever hear people complaining about Florida and Texas being gerrymandered. Wonder why that is?

Is there a state that votes majority Republican that has the state government controlled by Democrats like NC and WI do for the reverse situation? Is California actually a Republican majority state?

Partisan composition of state legislatures

Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics

ballotpedia.org

Take a look at the maps on there and tell me that in your unbiased opinion this is a both sides issue.

 

[DazedWanderer]

If anyone is still wondering if the nationwide congressional gerrymander favors republicans (which many people would have you believe) let's once again look at the actual statistics.

In 2020 Democrats received 50.8% of the overall house votes nationwide and won 222-213 house seats
In 2022 Republicans received 50.9% of the overall house votes nationwide and won 222-213 house seats (projected, possibly less).

Both sides won the house by the same margin when given the same percentage of the votes. If anything democrats actually did slightly better here (winning the same or more seats with 0.1% less of the votes) though the difference is so small it is likely statistically insignificant. If the nationwide gerrymander favored republicans, republicans would win more seats with the same or less votes, yet they did not. Some individual state district maps are gerrymandered quite heavily (that goes for both sides, as already exemplified above) but the overall thrust of federal congressional gerrymandering statistically cancels out when all states are pooled in an actual national vote.

People talking about the problem of gerrymandering always seem to mention republican state gerrymandering while turning a blind eye to democrat gerrymandering or outright gaslighting in denying its existence. Statistics and maps prove otherwise. For anyone truly interested in free and fair elections, there is no reason for gerrymandering to be a partisan issue. Both sides try to get away with it as much as they can and in large part they succeed. Whether one side gets away with it slightly more than the other should not be a factor in condemning and preventing both sides from doing it. You will never get bipartisan support on this issue if it is continuously discussed and approached in a partisan way as though its fine to blatantly ignore and turn a blind eye to one side doing it, while loudly chastising and blocking the other from doing it.

 

[RadOncDoc21]

If anyone is still wondering if the nationwide congressional gerrymander favors republicans (which many people would have you believe) let's once again look at the actual statistics.

In 2020 Democrats received 50.8% of the overall house votes nationwide and won 222-213 house seats
In 2022 Republicans received 50.9% of the overall house votes nationwide and won 222-213 house seats (projected, possibly less).

Both sides won the house by the same margin when given the same percentage of the votes. If anything democrats actually did slightly better here (winning the same or more seats with 0.1% less of the votes) though the difference is so small it is likely statistically insignificant. If the nationwide gerrymander favored republicans, republicans would win more seats with the same or less votes, yet they did not. Some individual state district maps are gerrymandered quite heavily (that goes for both sides, as already exemplified above) but the overall thrust of federal congressional gerrymandering statistically cancels out when all states are pooled in an actual national vote.

People talking about the problem of gerrymandering always seem to mention republican state gerrymandering while turning a blind eye to democrat gerrymandering or outright gaslighting in denying its existence. Statistics and maps prove otherwise. For anyone truly interested in free and fair elections, there is no reason for gerrymandering to be a partisan issue. Both sides try to get away with it as much as they can and in large part they succeed. Whether one side gets away with it slightly more than the other should not be a factor in condemning and preventing both sides from doing it. You will never get bipartisan support on this issue if it is continuously discussed and approached in a partisan way as though its fine to blatantly ignore and turn a blind eye to one side doing it, while loudly chastising and blocking the other from doing it.

Republicans winning…

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Gerrymandering-Full.pdf

 

[BLADEMDA]

Republicans winning…

https://www.democracydocket.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/Gerrymandering-Full.pdf

It's typical insider garbage like Hunter/Joe Biden not being charged with any crimes while Ttump gets the book thrown at him. 1/2 the GOP knows the system is rigged against Republicans. How many Democrats hace served time in jail for failing to appear before a GOP Congress? How much prison time did Clinton or Lois Lerner get? Dirty FBI agents?

 

[deleted1147063]

It's typical insider garbage like Hunter/Joe Biden not being charged with any crimes while Ttump gets the book thrown at him. 1/2 the GOP knows the system is rigged against Republicans. How many Democrats hace served time in jail for failing to appear before a GOP Congress? How much prison time did Clinton or Lois Lerner get? Dirty FBI agents?

This POS witch hunter was a republican:

McCarthyism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So, please...

Neither party is made up of saints. Both are pretty disgusting, including some satellite organizations and groups.

Most people are dumb as sh1t (think IQ 100 or lower), and tend to (re-)elect the same corrupt, spineless, worthless, POS politicians, sometimes even if already convicted for crimes.

 

[BLADEMDA]

It's typical insider garbage like Hunter/Joe Biden not being charged with any crimes while Ttump gets the book thrown at him. 1/2 the GOP knows the system is rigged against Republicans. How many Democrats hace served time in jail for failing to appear before a GOP Congress? How much prison time did Clinton or Lois Lerner get? Dirty FBI agents?

Trump is deserving of a special counsel but so is Joe Biden because the Justice Department is not "independent" and "unbiased" regarding the Bidens.
There is a deep state and it works against Republicans. I don't find in coincidental that the Millenial Madoff was donating hundreds of millions to Democrats.
Please don't go so far as to assume I believe our elections our rigged or Q anon members don't wear tinfoil hats. But, there is a huge bias in Washington against Republicans at the highest levels of office.

This makes many including me suspicious of any so-called reports coming from Washington or Washington insiders. I agree there are crooks on both sides but GOP crooks get special counsels and serve time in jail while Democrat crooks write books and give lectures.

CBS ‘confirms’ Hunter Biden laptop is real 769 days after Post broke story

CBS News said that it confirmed the authenticity of data from Hunter Biden’s former laptop — more than two years after The Post first revealed its contents.

nypost.com

https://republicans-oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Interim-Staff-Report-A-President-Compromised-The-Biden-Family-Investigation-1.pdf

 

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This POS witch hunter was a republican:

McCarthyism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So, please...

Neither party is made up of saints. Both are pretty disgusting, including some satellite organizations and groups.

Most people are dumb as sh1t (think IQ 100 or lower), and tend to (re-)elect the same corrupt, spineless, worthless, POS politicians, sometimes even if already convicted for crimes.

What is the average IQ of a physician? I think I scored only 119 on a formal IQ test when I was in high school. How the heck did I become a physician?

 

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What is the average IQ of a physician? I think I scored only 119 on a formal IQ test when I was in high school. How the heck did I become a physician?

That's about it: 120-ish. That's more than 1 SD above the average general copulation, probably around the 75th-80th percentile.

We ain't geniuses. If we were, we wouldn't have gone to medical school in the first place. 😛

 

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Both parties gerrymander. And Desantis won 60% of the popular vote in Florida - a massive landslide by any measurement when every major race is usually 1-5% margin.

The truth is the redistributing might have tipped the scales a little - but he didn’t get those extra house seats without recruiting a ton of independents who have rejected Trump but agree 100% with Desantis on actual policies and reject the left’s.

The popular vote doesn’t lie, just as it didn’t with Trump despite all his fabrication, spin and whining.

I think you and the other poster don't have a clue about the specifics of what happened in Florida, which is why you think a silly "both sides do it" kind of response is sufficient. And even if that were the case, it's not sufficient here because Florida voters passed a law in 2010 (over the objections of the FL GOP) banning legislators from drawing districts that favor parties or incumbents. But anyway,

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis was incensed. Late last year, the state’s Republican legislature had drawn congressional maps that largely kept districts intact, leaving the GOP with only a modest electoral advantage.

DeSantis threw out the legislature’s work and redrew Florida’s congressional districts, making them far more favorable to Republicans. The plan was so aggressive that the Republican-controlled legislature balked and fought DeSantis for months. The governor overruled lawmakers and pushed his map through.

How Ron DeSantis Blew Up Black-Held Congressional Districts and May Have Broken Florida Law

DeSantis’ move, secretly aided by GOP-linked national operatives, came over the objections of the Republican-controlled state legislature.

www.propublica.org

During the once-in-a-decade process, DeSantis vetoed a map drawn by the Florida Legislature, which is dominated by Republicans and stocked with DeSantis allies. The DeSantis-crafted plan boosted Republican leaning seats to 20 out of 28, four more than the plan drawn by GOP lawmakers.

Redirect Notice

www.google.com

His own party didn't even want the maps that he drew. And for good reason, because now they're subject to an ongoing federal lawsuit challenging their legality

So, still: No. This is nothing like when trump idiotically claims elections are rigged.

 

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And in regard to "both sides do it," only one side uses gerrymandering to totally invalidate the provisions of the Voting Rights Act. Which historically was stopped by lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit saying that what they were doing was illegal. But now with the takeover of SCOTUS the GOP will be able to use the courts to legislate themselves into victories that were not organically possible.

If you don't think that's true, ask yourself why Alabama, a state which is 27% black, only has 1 out of 7 districts being majority black.

 

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And in regard to "both sides do it," only one side uses gerrymandering to totally invalidate the provisions of the Voting Rights Act. Which historically was stopped by lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit saying that what they were doing was illegal. But now with the takeover of SCOTUS the GOP will be able to use the courts to legislate themselves into victories that were not organically possible.
If you don't think that's true, ask yourself why Alabama, a state which is 27% black, only has 1 out of 7 districts being majority black.

There are states where, despite the fact that 40%+ of the votes are republican, (almost) all the senators and representatives are democrats. Now that's true gerrymandering.

It's a corruption and lack of character issue, not particular to a certain group of humans.

A bit of data about "both sides":

Political party strength in U.S. states - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

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And in regard to "both sides do it," only one side uses gerrymandering to totally invalidate the provisions of the Voting Rights Act. Which historically was stopped by lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit saying that what they were doing was illegal. But now with the takeover of SCOTUS the GOP will be able to use the courts to legislate themselves into victories that were not organically possible.

If you don't think that's true, ask yourself why Alabama, a state which is 27% black, only has 1 out of 7 districts being majority black.

People no longer vote based on race they vote based on party. I agree that blacks heavily favor the Democrats but the reason for the gerrymandering isn't "racist" just pure politics. Tim Scott is a black Republican Senator from South Carolina. Yet, I still bet he doesn't get 50% of the total black vote. Again, it's politics not race that make up the basis for gerrymandering. If Blacks voted for the GOP and not Dems the districts would look very different.

This isn't 1962 and everyone knows it. There is nothing "illegal" going on in terms of stopping anyone from voting in my state. It doesn't happen here period.
We have a vigorous mail in ballot system making it very easy to vote. The Dems have gone way too far left and the citizens of Florida are waking up to this reality.
The "don't say gay law" was not that at all actually and the media spun it to suit their narrative. Parents and Citizens want the kids in elementary school free from the woke agenda regarding sex in the curriculum or mentioned by teachers. Leave the little kids out of it.

 

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And in regard to "both sides do it," only one side uses gerrymandering to totally invalidate the provisions of the Voting Rights Act. Which historically was stopped by lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit saying that what they were doing was illegal. But now with the takeover of SCOTUS the GOP will be able to use the courts to legislate themselves into victories that were not organically possible.

If you don't think that's true, ask yourself why Alabama, a state which is 27% black, only has 1 out of 7 districts being majority black.

You can argue about the “difference” between widespread republican gerrymandering and democratic gerrymandering all you want. It doesn’t change the fact Desantis won by a landslide by converting a LOT of independent voters. Whether he should have flipped 2 house seats or 4 — it bodes well for how he would do in a presidential election. Despite people here already saying he can’t win without cheating.

 

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Here is what the people of Florida are against in terms of the woke agenda. This is pure discrimination against Whites:

University of Florida College of Medicine pushes 'destructive' woke agenda on students, report says

The University of Florida College of Medicine incorporates aspects of critical race theory into its admissions and educational programs, according to a new report.

www.foxnews.com

All people want is a level playing field.

 

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You guys should stop trying to convince one another. There is this thing called confirmation bias, aka it's very hard to change one's mind once one commits to a point of view.

Also, if you want to change one's mind, don't appeal to reason, appeal to self-interest.

I was away for more than a year, and yet everybody seems to be stuck where they were before.

 

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You guys should stop trying to convince one another. There is this thing called confirmation bias, aka it's very hard to change one's mind once one commits to a point of view.

Also, if you want to change one's mind, don't appeal to reason, appeal to self-interest.

What matters is the far left on this board hear and read other opinions. Their entire thought process has been corrupted by group think and far left ideology. They no longer question what true racism and inequity means. All that matters is their ideology and their agenda. No matter how futile the counter arguments are to this group they must still be made. Watch the Video from liberal Bill Maher.

 

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What matters is the far left on this board hear and read other opinions. Their entire thought process has been corrupted by group think and far left ideology. They no longer question what true racism and inequity means. All that matters is their ideology and their agenda. No matter how futile the counter arguments are to this group they must still be made. Watch the Video from liberal Bill Maher.

I know perfectly how Marxists think and believe. Neonazi is just another synonym for that level of hate.

 

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You guys should stop trying to convince one another. There is this thing called confirmation bias, aka it's very hard to change one's mind once one commits to a point of view.

Also, if you want to change one's mind, don't appeal to reason, appeal to self-interest.

I was away for more than a year, and yet everybody seems to be stuck where they were before.

I think the people of Florida have moved much more to the center from the Left. There is an awakening going on against the far left and its woke agenda.
Even former liberals are now considered "center left" because of how much the left of the democrat has moved from the mainstream. If this nation were to adapt the hard core woke agenda of the far left the economy and the nation itself would totally crater. There would also be wide spread, open discrimination against white/asian males at a level never before seen in the history of the world. One could speculate that being a white or Asian male would be akin to being a black male in America circa 1926.