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is the NBME CBSE exam that OMFS applicants take the same one the US MD Students take before the USMLE Step 1? If so, doesn't that skew the Scores?
oooh good point, but I was more referring to since US MD students have already learned the content in-class on the CBSE exam, while [most] dental students haven't, wouldn't the results be skewed?Even if it were the same one that US MD students took and skewed accordingly, if everyone were skewed, is anyone actually skewed?
CBSE scores follow the MD bell-curve (they've been given the CBSE exams in the past that we take). Hence why average Step 1 score is a 232 and average CBSE for dental students is around a 165 (tougher for dental students in our situation).oooh good point, but I was more referring to since US MD students have already learned the content in-class on the CBSE exam, while [most] dental students haven't, wouldn't the results be skewed?
Yes, we use their curve. But you don’t need to attain their level scores to be competitive. If you score 70th medical percentile among medical students, that’ll put you in 99th percentile if OS applicants.
Speaking of percentiles, I have a question. Is an 80 considered really good on the CBSE still? The average seems to be around 55-57 with a SD of around 11.5-12 for every test. That would mean an 80 is 2 SDs from the mean, making it 97/98th percentile. That would mean very few people score 80+, but it seems like a lot of people are scoring that high, based on what I hear from people who just were on the residency interview trail. They said a lot of people showed up with 80+ scores. It makes me wonder how many people are applying with an 80+every application cycle and what someone should shoot for.
But this is assuming that the people breaking 70 are in YOUR applicant pool. Plenty of D2s, D3s, and D4s take the exam at the same time. Therefore, I would assume that the numbers you provided are slightly higher since you're including test takers from 3 different applicant pools. For example, 7 D2s at my school this year broke 70. Our scores would skew the mean for the D3 and D4 applicant pool when we are not applying with them.1SD above mean is a little below 70 (1SD above mean therefore around 16.5% of people)
Most people take this test 2-3 times before they apply.
Most people, once they score above 70, will not retake it.
If we assume 2 times of test taking before applying, that means 16.5*2 = 33% of people in the applicant pool will have score above 70
If we assume 3 times of test taking before applying, that means 16.5*3 = 49.5 of people in the applicant pool will have score above 70
Speaking of percentiles, I have a question. Is an 80 considered really good on the CBSE still? The average seems to be around 55-57 with a SD of around 11.5-12 for every test. That would mean an 80 is 2 SDs from the mean, making it 97/98th percentile. That would mean very few people score 80+, but it seems like a lot of people are scoring that high, based on what I hear from people who just were on the residency interview trail. They said a lot of people showed up with 80+ scores. It makes me wonder how many people are applying with an 80+every application cycle and what someone should shoot for.
I scored a 47 first time and 81 second. Just need to keep in mind that people can retake it, so those percentiles aren’t totally accurate.
Shoot for a 70 and you’ll be good. 450 people apply for 260 spots usually. Breaking a 70 will probably put you in the top 35% so youd have a great chance of matching.
Agreed to what spdental said too. I didn't let a soul know I hit 47 first time, but brought up my second score during my post-exam write-up.
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Speaking of percentiles, I have a question. Is an 80 considered really good on the CBSE still? The average seems to be around 55-57 with a SD of around 11.5-12 for every test. That would mean an 80 is 2 SDs from the mean, making it 97/98th percentile. That would mean very few people score 80+, but it seems like a lot of people are scoring that high, based on what I hear from people who just were on the residency interview trail. They said a lot of people showed up with 80+ scores. It makes me wonder how many people are applying with an 80+every application cycle and what someone should shoot for.
No one honestly knows. if a 69 and 86 both got invited to an interview, I would think that if it is close and both performed similarly then the 86 would get it. But if the 69 knocks the interview out of the park vs the 86 then they could absolutely take the spot.Once the OMFS applicant is invited for Interview, does GPA/CBSE/Class Rank play any role in the Ranking of the applicants, or is it just based off of the performance of the Interview?
This paper published has the answer: https://natmatch.com/dentres/stats/2018programreport.pdfOnce the OMFS applicant is invited for Interview, does GPA/CBSE/Class Rank play any role in the Ranking of the applicants, or is it just based off of the performance of the Interview?
But this is assuming that the people breaking 70 are in YOUR applicant pool. Plenty of D2s, D3s, and D4s take the exam at the same time. Therefore, I would assume that the numbers you provided are slightly lower since you're including test takers from 3 different applicant pools.
But this is assuming that the people breaking 70 are in YOUR applicant pool. Plenty of D2s, D3s, and D4s take the exam at the same time. Therefore, I would assume that the numbers you provided are slightly higher since you're including test takers from 3 different applicant pools. For example, 7 D2s at my school this year broke 70. Our scores would skew the mean for the D3 and D4 applicant pool when we are not applying with them.
Let's run some quick numbers assuming everyoe who breaks 70 is ONLY in your applicant pool:
100 people want to do OS so 100x .84 = 84 people didnt break 70 so they take it again
84x .84 = 71 people did not break 70 so they take it again
71 x .84 = 60 people did not break 70 after their 3rd time.
So after 3 times 40% of applicants broke 70. Again, this is assuming everyone who breaks 70 is in your application pool. This is also assuming that everyone who wants to do OS is able to take it 3 times. Many people take it late and have only 1-2 opportunities to take the exam. A final assumption is that everyone retakes it if they dont get a 70. I'm sure there are plenty of people that score in the 60s and are content.
This is anecdotal evidence but I highly doubt that 50% of the applicant pool is breaking 70 each year lol based off the scores I've seen of applying D4s from the last 2 years at my school.
Anyway, I wish they released the numbers so we would actually know lol