NJMS vs. OSU vs. BU

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Hi Everyone, I'm trying to decide between a couple schools and want your input! I'm going to assume that I don't get any scholarship... Also, location is kind of a wash for me. I would definitely want to do my residency in the east coast (preferably NY area)

NJMS: I think I would go here over RWJMS
+ In state, which means I can go home more often
+ IS tuition
+ Clinically fantastic- see some of the most underserved patients
- I felt very "eh" and blah about the curriculum, student body and general environment

OSU: I think I would choose this over Cincy
+ Loved the integration of the curriculum
+ People seemed very welcoming
+ New building, liked the overall environment
Side note: tuition would be very close to NJMS tuition
- Very far from home!
? Not sure what patient population is like at OSU

BU:
+ Also loved the people, environment
+ BUMC is a safety net hospital--fantastic clinical experience
+ Liked the curriculum
+ Closer to home than OSU, can definitely come home for a weekend
- Cost would be ~40-60K more

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Will you be able to attend the second looks for all of these schools? There is usually a wealth of information about each school that is made available to acceptees during these weekends. Hopefully they don't overlap and you can attend more than one. It sounds like you really can't go wrong with any of those schools, which is definitely a good position to be in.

BU is probably the most established of all those schools, the people I know there seem to enjoy it. NJMS I have heard rumors of financial issues in regards to the state and the state university system. Do some research into that if you are concerned.
 
I would choose BU over any of the other 2. Two of my closest friends are second years there and absolutely love it. Everything you said about the hospital stuff is true.
Only downfalls to my opinion are: 1) BU med school student residence is located in the hood ( not a safe area at all, and it can be tough to adjust for someone who grew up in a quiet little town) 2) the cost
 
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Speaking to OSU, there are mixed reviews concerning the curriculum, and I have more than a few friends there that seem more stressed than average due to some of the kinks still being worked out. That being said, I don't know anybody at NJMS or BU, so I can't directly compare here.

However, while I comsider that to be a negative, OSU has an incredible amount of resources and they aren't afraid to spend them on their students (I've seen it firsthand). As for patient pop, Franklin county mirrors the US more generally in a lot of ways; in fact, this is so much the case that the county is used as a test market for a lot of items before they launch nationwide. Hence, I think population could be a positive there. Finally, I can't imagine throwing down the amount of money BU costs when schools like OSU are there - even in academic medicine, I don't think there is even a marginal value in being at BU (from a professional standpoint, obviously if you hate one and love the other that's a different story).
 
I would choose BU over any of the other 2. Two of my closest friends are second years there and absolutely love it. Everything you said about the hospital stuff is true.
Only downfalls to my opinion are: 1) BU med school student residence is located in the hood ( not a safe area at all, and it can be tough to adjust for someone who grew up in a quiet little town) 2) the cost

The only way the BU med campus could be considered part of 'the hood' is by someone who literally moved from the middle of nowhere and is freaked at cities, period, without any context for them.

Boston in general is a very safe city and the area around the med school/BMC has been gentrifying RAPIDLY. Not to mention this is someone considering BU alongside NJMS, which is actually in an area with major crime issues.

I don't know enough about OSU to really weigh in on the OPs decision. BU and Boston are far and away a nicer place to be than NJMS/Newark. No contest there at all. Whether or not it's 40-60k + interest better is hard to say.
 
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Not much to add, but completely agree with SN12357. The South End is not dangerous. It's becoming quite the place to hipster watch.
 
Calling the area that the med campus is in the "South End" is a little bit generous. It and BMC are in Roxbury, which is most definitely a low income area, albeit one that is gentrifying. There are unsafe-at-night areas very nearby. That said, I think the location is what enables BMC to serve a very dynamic and interesting patient population. Also, I don't know exactly where the student residence is located, but you could most certainly live in the South End or another area if you so chose.
 
The only way the BU med campus could be considered part of 'the hood' is by someone who literally moved from the middle of nowhere and is freaked at cities, period, without any context for them.

Boston in general is a very safe city and the area around the med school/BMC has been gentrifying RAPIDLY. Not to mention this is someone considering BU alongside NJMS, which is actually in an area with major crime issues.

I don't know enough about OSU to really weigh in on the OPs decision. BU and Boston are far and away a nicer place to be than NJMS/Newark. No contest there at all. Whether or not it's 40-60k + interest better is hard to say.

1)I would not consider 'Paris, France" as being in the middle of nowhere.
2) I lived in Dorchester for 4 years. If you know anything about Boston, you know that people get shot/stabbed everyday in Dorchester.
3) Yes, Boston has a really good PD but sometimes you're just at the wrong place at the wrong time and the chances of this situation happening near the "campus" is high. Trust me on this.
 
Calling the area that the med campus is in the "South End" is a little bit generous. It and BMC are in Roxbury, which is most definitely a low income area, albeit one that is gentrifying. There are unsafe-at-night areas very nearby. That said, I think the location is what enables BMC to serve a very dynamic and interesting patient population. Also, I don't know exactly where the student residence is located, but you could most certainly live in the South End or another area if you so chose.

That is very true!! You decide where you want to live. Just stay away from Dorchester, Roxbury (except West Roxbury), Mattapan.Go to Brookline, South End (Southy as we call it in Boston) if you can afford it.
 
1)I would not consider 'Paris, France" as being in the middle of nowhere.
2) I lived in Dorchester for 4 years. If you know anything about Boston, you know that people get shot/stabbed everyday in Dorchester.
3) Yes, Boston has a really good PD but sometimes you're just at the wrong place at the wrong time and the chances of this situation happening near the "campus" is high. Trust me on this.

Also from Boston. Also familiar with the areas you list. Still think calling the area directly around BMC/Boston Med 'the hood' is a gross misrepresentation. Sorry pulling the local card on me isn't going to work.
 
I lived in Dorchester for the first 24 years of my life. Some misinformation I see in this thread:

1. Dorchester is a HUGE neighborhood, and almost all the crime occurs in a very small area off of Geneva Ave. When the crimes get reported on the news/papers, people see headlines that mention Dorchester, and just assume the entire neighborhood is dangerous. It's not.
2. BU is located squarely in a very nice section of the South End. The South End doesn't become Roxbury until you cross Melnea Cass Blvd, but the change in demographics is RAPID. You go from a primarily white neighborhood to a black neighborhood in just a few footsteps.
4. The BU area is very safe IMO. You probably shouldn't walk down a poorly lit street in Roxbury with your iPhone out at 2:00AM in the morning wearing a Hollister sweatshirt... but that's just common sense.
5. Harvard Medical School is just as close to Roxbury as BU!

"You go from a primarily white neighborhood to a black neighborhood in just a few footsteps" Try not to say things like that online because then people will assume that you believe: black neighborhood= bab neighborhood.(That may come off as being...well, you know) .Nevertheless, I am saying this because I was robbed at gunpoint in Roxbury near the Medical students residence (it was 9 pm, I was minding my own business, oh...and I'm balck), I immediately moved afterwards. BU is def in a safe area though!! I have so much love for Boston but I'd rather just live in Natick, Framingham, Ashland or even Weymouth. At the end of day, OP is old enough to decide, but at least I tried.
 
"You go from a primarily white neighborhood to a black neighborhood in just a few footsteps" Try not to say things like that online because then people will assume that you believe: black neighborhood= bab neighborhood.(That may come off as being...well, you know) .Nevertheless, I am saying this because I was robbed at gunpoint in Roxbury near the Medical students residence, I immediately moved afterwards. BU is def in a safe area though!! I have so much love for Boston but I'd rather just live in Natick, Framingham, Ashland or even Weymouth.

As opposed to the person NOT mentioning race but casually saying that entire neighborhoods that are majority-minority in Boston are unsafe, and calling an area 'the hood', a phrase that definitionally carries racial overtones? Yeah, Ok.

There were multiple sexual assaults around Porter and Davis squares last year, 'despite' those areas being about as white and hipster as you can get these days. The Boston metro is a city with a city's problems. I'm sorry you got robbed but you're still misrepresenting the reality of the city, particularly in a thread in which the person was asking for pros and cons between schools located in Boston, Columbus, and Newark.
 
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You're probably right, did not mean to offend you. I am sorry. It's just that my uncle is the one who told me to get the hell out. (He happens to be the Chief of police of the Boston Gang unit so he knows a little more than the both of us.)
 
I lived in Dorchester for the first 24 years of my life. Some misinformation I see in this thread:

1. Dorchester is a HUGE neighborhood, and almost all the crime occurs in a very small area off of Geneva Ave. When the crimes get reported on the news/papers, people see headlines that mention Dorchester, and just assume the entire neighborhood is dangerous. It's not. In fact, Dorchester borders Milton, MA, which was recently voted as one of the best places to live in America.
2. BU is located squarely in a very nice section of the South End. The South End doesn't become Roxbury until you cross Melnea Cass Blvd, but the change in demographics is RAPID. You go from a primarily white neighborhood to a black neighborhood in just a few footsteps.
3. The BU area is very safe IMO. You probably shouldn't walk down a poorly lit street in Roxbury with your iPhone out at 2:00AM in the morning wearing a Hollister sweatshirt... but that's just common sense.
4. Harvard Medical School is just as close to Roxbury as BU!
5. FrenchyM.D/D.O: 'Southy' is South Boston, not the South End, lol.

I thought I read South Boston for some reason, my bad. But yeah...I know that Milton borders Dorchester.I lived on Canton Ave (Milton) for a long time but listen, honestly if I could chose any place to live in Boston. Dorchester, Matt, and Rox would be last.
 
Thank you everyone, you brought up some things I can look into more closely! BU and OSU have their second looks on the same weekend, so I'll have to decide which one to go to...
 
I lived in Dorchester for the first 24 years of my life. Some misinformation I see in this thread:

1. Dorchester is a HUGE neighborhood, and almost all the crime occurs in a very small area off of Geneva Ave. When the crimes get reported on the news/papers, people see headlines that mention Dorchester, and just assume the entire neighborhood is dangerous. It's not. In fact, Dorchester borders Milton, MA, which was recently voted as one of the best places to live in America.
2. BU is located squarely in a very nice section of the South End. The South End doesn't become Roxbury until you cross Melnea Cass Blvd, but the change in demographics is RAPID. You go from a primarily white neighborhood to a black neighborhood in just a few footsteps.
3. The BU area is very safe IMO. You probably shouldn't walk down a poorly lit street in Roxbury with your iPhone out at 2:00AM in the morning wearing a Hollister sweatshirt... but that's just common sense.
4. Harvard Medical School is just as close to Roxbury as BU!
5. FrenchyM.D/D.O: 'Southy' is South Boston, not the South End, lol.

Oops. Ya, BMC and BU are in the South End. I sort of lump certain areas of Roxbury/south end/Jamaica plain together. My bad.

Still, the area that BMC is in is nothing like the area that HMS is in. I'm not saying that's good or bad, it's just that proximity is misleading. HMS is squarely in a bustling and wealthy medical campus. BMC is across the street from a homeless healthcare facility, detox facility, needle exchange, and just down the street from a prison.

Anyway, these are all things I like a lot about the BU and BMC. It doesn't feel sterile or boring, and it is very much a hospital serving the people of Boston. However, I think it's important to address the OP's safety concerns, and as a diminutive male I am cautious walking around that area when I volunteer evenings. I have never had any issues. Just stay on well lit streets, be smart.
 
You are very welcome Dance5257. Keep in mind, that I was being biased when answering some, well...most of the posts due to my unfortunate past experiences. You do have to see for yourself.
 
I am also deciding between NJMS and OSU... I did not apply to BU. If you look at total cost of attendance, assuming you are living on your own at both schools, OSU is actually $15-$20k less expensive than NJMS over the four years in terms of CoA! That's right, going to OSU as an OOS is less expensive than the least expensive state school in NJ. How cool is that? NJMS also has a block curriculum rather than systems. I hear that going from block curriculum to STEP 1 is harder for many people, compared to those who have been doing systems-based learning from Day 1. But YMMV.

Also, OSU and NJMS are not even close when it comes to quality of life and FUNDING. I work at NJMS every day. It is a school full of really passionate faculty and students and they are all pretty laid back and I like it there, but the funding situation is really dire in some departments. I do not know OSU as well, but I stayed with some current students when I went to interview who were NOT part of the official hosting program. And I got the impression that at OSU, the faculty and students are also very friendly, passionate, and cordial. Like NJMS, I didn't get any sort of gunner vibe. But, unlike NJMS, Ohio State has money pouring out from every orifice and the administration seems like they are dying to spend it on you. Also, Columbus vs Newark?? I don't even need to finish that thought. You know what I mean.

Really, I think you should be deciding between BU and OSU. OSU has made a bunch of adjustments to the new curriculum to build in more time to get the online modules done, in addition to making neuro less nightmarish. OSU has a reputation for fantastic student life and is the least expensive school you will have the option of attending (assuming you are a NJ resident). Don't underestimate that. I know that BU is perhaps more prestigious and they have a "safety net hospital" like NJMS, but that comes with both perks and drawbacks. Please factor in that Columbus is a way, way less expensive city than Boston. I lived in Cambridge for 4 years and I love Boston a lot and it's a great place to live, no doubt. The food is wonderful and the live music scene is very good. But my family was in a much better financial situation when I lived there, so I could afford to actually go out.

I have heard that BU students seem more stressed than students at other places, and I've heard parts of the medical campus (aside from the hospital) are a little old. A lot of that is just from browsing mdapps and reading what others have said on this site, though. But I can tell you firsthand: Boston is awesome especially if you have a lot of $$ to spend, and the same is probably true for BUMC.

I just think you will have a similar quality of life with a lot less debt if you go to OSU vs BU. Actually, I just did the calculation. The cost of attendance difference for four years at BUMC vs OSUMC is $63,780 over four years using both schools' 2013-2014 estimates for M1-M4. If you choose to Pay As You Earn (PAYE), this will likely be $110k+ by the time it gets paid off. If you have a really specific career goal in mind that BU can fulfill in ways that OSU cannot, I guess you should go to BU. But don't be quick to eliminate OSU.

Unfortunately, you can't go to both Second Looks. But I do know that Ohio State is very open to having students come visit at other times during the year if they have been accepted and need to make a decision. In fact, in your acceptance letter is an invitation to contact the admissions office if you want to come stay with some students unofficially. You might consider doing that, and then attending BU's Second Look... or vice versa if BU is willing to do the same. I would try to visit OSU around the same time as Second Look, though (maybe +/- 1 or 2 weeks) so that you can maybe get a copy of what the itinerary would have been.

(Semi-serious side note: Also, you want to go to both schools at similar times to control for climate. The reason the BU Second Look is the last full weekend in April is no coincidence. That weekend, plus the next 2 or 3 weekends afterward, are the times when Boston is "nice", rather than overcast and cold or humid and stifling. When I was at MIT, I remember it snowed the first or second week in May as I was preparing for final exams. It was then that I vowed to leave upon graduation and never return.)
 
I am also deciding between NJMS and OSU... I did not apply to BU. If you look at total cost of attendance, assuming you are living on your own at both schools, OSU is actually $15-$20k less expensive than NJMS over the four years in terms of CoA! That's right, going to OSU as an OOS is less expensive than the least expensive state school in NJ. How cool is that? NJMS also has a block curriculum rather than systems. I hear that going from block curriculum to STEP 1 is harder for many people, compared to those who have been doing systems-based learning from Day 1. But YMMV.

Also, OSU and NJMS are not even close when it comes to quality of life and FUNDING. I work at NJMS every day. It is a school full of really passionate faculty and students and they are all pretty laid back and I like it there, but the funding situation is really dire in some departments. I do not know OSU as well, but I stayed with some current students when I went to interview who were NOT part of the official hosting program. And I got the impression that at OSU, the faculty and students are also very friendly, passionate, and cordial. Like NJMS, I didn't get any sort of gunner vibe. But, unlike NJMS, Ohio State has money pouring out from every orifice and the administration seems like they are dying to spend it on you. Also, Columbus vs Newark?? I don't even need to finish that thought. You know what I mean.

Really, I think you should be deciding between BU and OSU. OSU has made a bunch of adjustments to the new curriculum to build in more time to get the online modules done, in addition to making neuro less nightmarish. OSU has a reputation for fantastic student life and is the least expensive school you will have the option of attending (assuming you are a NJ resident). Don't underestimate that. I know that BU is perhaps more prestigious and they have a "safety net hospital" like NJMS, but that comes with both perks and drawbacks. Please factor in that Columbus is a way, way less expensive city than Boston. I lived in Cambridge for 4 years and I love Boston a lot and it's a great place to live, no doubt. The food is wonderful and the live music scene is very good. But my family was in a much better financial situation when I lived there, so I could afford to actually go out.

I have heard that BU students seem more stressed than students at other places, and I've heard parts of the medical campus (aside from the hospital) are a little old. A lot of that is just from browsing mdapps and reading what others have said on this site, though. But I can tell you firsthand: Boston is awesome especially if you have a lot of $$ to spend, and the same is probably true for BUMC.

I just think you will have a similar quality of life with a lot less debt if you go to OSU vs BU. Actually, I just did the calculation. The cost of attendance difference for four years at BUMC vs OSUMC is $63,780 over four years using both schools' 2013-2014 estimates for M1-M4. If you choose to Pay As You Earn (PAYE), this will likely be $110k+ by the time it gets paid off. If you have a really specific career goal in mind that BU can fulfill in ways that OSU cannot, I guess you should go to BU. But don't be quick to eliminate OSU.

Unfortunately, you can't go to both Second Looks. But I do know that Ohio State is very open to having students come visit at other times during the year if they have been accepted and need to make a decision. In fact, in your acceptance letter is an invitation to contact the admissions office if you want to come stay with some students unofficially. You might consider doing that, and then attending BU's Second Look... or vice versa if BU is willing to do the same. I would try to visit OSU around the same time as Second Look, though (maybe +/- 1 or 2 weeks) so that you can maybe get a copy of what the itinerary would have been.

(Semi-serious side note: Also, you want to go to both schools at similar times to control for climate. The reason the BU Second Look is the last full weekend in April is no coincidence. That weekend, plus the next 2 or 3 weekends afterward, are the times when Boston is "nice", rather than overcast and cold or humid and stifling. When I was at MIT, I remember it snowed the first or second week in May as I was preparing for final exams. It was then that I vowed to leave upon graduation and never return.)

Hahaha!!! This is so true!! The snow here sucks real bad. You wouldn't even imagine the time I waste when trying to 1) Find my car in the snow 2) shovel the snow out to try to get out (snow+salt= REAL HEAVY) 3) Drive @ 10 m/h to get from one place to the next.
AND the lower back pain...
I too hope to be able to leave soon.
 
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While climate is one basis for evaluating a school, I'm not sure that the differences between Ohio, NJ, and Boston on that front are going to be particularly notable...it's not exactly the tundra vs. the tropics we're talking, here.
 
While climate is one basis for evaluating a school, I'm not sure that the differences between Ohio, NJ, and Boston on that front are going to be particularly notable...it's not exactly the tundra vs. the tropics we're talking, here.

This is very true in terms of latitude. There is also the proximity to water/the ocean and position relative to the jet stream to consider. We may wish to consult a meteorologist on this. I can only tell you my subjective perception of Boston vs NJ is that Boston seems to always find the strangest times to precipitate, and the humidity can ruin even the nicest weather. I do not know if there is a reason for that or if I am the only one who feels that way. I do know the average high temperatures in all 3 places are almost identical. For me, if it came down to climate, I would go to the school more likely to be south of the polar jet stream in the spring and fall and also the school that has, on average, the least amount of snow in winter.

However, the point still remains that the decision here probably WON'T have to come down to climate. That would mean that literally every other aspect of attending two schools was identical.

For example, I hate snow and winter in general. But would that preclude me from attending UMich if I were admitted? Of course not. That place rocks...I can deal with the snow.
 
I am also deciding between NJMS and OSU... I did not apply to BU. If you look at total cost of attendance, assuming you are living on your own at both schools, OSU is actually $15-$20k less expensive than NJMS over the four years in terms of CoA! That's right, going to OSU as an OOS is less expensive than the least expensive state school in NJ. How cool is that? NJMS also has a block curriculum rather than systems. I hear that going from block curriculum to STEP 1 is harder for many people, compared to those who have been doing systems-based learning from Day 1. But YMMV.

Also, OSU and NJMS are not even close when it comes to quality of life and FUNDING. I work at NJMS every day. It is a school full of really passionate faculty and students and they are all pretty laid back and I like it there, but the funding situation is really dire in some departments. I do not know OSU as well, but I stayed with some current students when I went to interview who were NOT part of the official hosting program. And I got the impression that at OSU, the faculty and students are also very friendly, passionate, and cordial. Like NJMS, I didn't get any sort of gunner vibe. But, unlike NJMS, Ohio State has money pouring out from every orifice and the administration seems like they are dying to spend it on you. Also, Columbus vs Newark?? I don't even need to finish that thought. You know what I mean.

Really, I think you should be deciding between BU and OSU. OSU has made a bunch of adjustments to the new curriculum to build in more time to get the online modules done, in addition to making neuro less nightmarish. OSU has a reputation for fantastic student life and is the least expensive school you will have the option of attending (assuming you are a NJ resident). Don't underestimate that. I know that BU is perhaps more prestigious and they have a "safety net hospital" like NJMS, but that comes with both perks and drawbacks. Please factor in that Columbus is a way, way less expensive city than Boston. I lived in Cambridge for 4 years and I love Boston a lot and it's a great place to live, no doubt. The food is wonderful and the live music scene is very good. But my family was in a much better financial situation when I lived there, so I could afford to actually go out.

I have heard that BU students seem more stressed than students at other places, and I've heard parts of the medical campus (aside from the hospital) are a little old. A lot of that is just from browsing mdapps and reading what others have said on this site, though. But I can tell you firsthand: Boston is awesome especially if you have a lot of $$ to spend, and the same is probably true for BUMC.

I just think you will have a similar quality of life with a lot less debt if you go to OSU vs BU. Actually, I just did the calculation. The cost of attendance difference for four years at BUMC vs OSUMC is $63,780 over four years using both schools' 2013-2014 estimates for M1-M4. If you choose to Pay As You Earn (PAYE), this will likely be $110k+ by the time it gets paid off. If you have a really specific career goal in mind that BU can fulfill in ways that OSU cannot, I guess you should go to BU. But don't be quick to eliminate OSU.

Unfortunately, you can't go to both Second Looks. But I do know that Ohio State is very open to having students come visit at other times during the year if they have been accepted and need to make a decision. In fact, in your acceptance letter is an invitation to contact the admissions office if you want to come stay with some students unofficially. You might consider doing that, and then attending BU's Second Look... or vice versa if BU is willing to do the same. I would try to visit OSU around the same time as Second Look, though (maybe +/- 1 or 2 weeks) so that you can maybe get a copy of what the itinerary would have been.

(Semi-serious side note: Also, you want to go to both schools at similar times to control for climate. The reason the BU Second Look is the last full weekend in April is no coincidence. That weekend, plus the next 2 or 3 weekends afterward, are the times when Boston is "nice", rather than overcast and cold or humid and stifling. When I was at MIT, I remember it snowed the first or second week in May as I was preparing for final exams. It was then that I vowed to leave upon graduation and never return.)

Wow, thank you so much for your input! Have you decided where you'll be going? From what I understand, BU has a decent reputation on the east coast, whereas OSU has a good reputation in the midwest. It seems to me that this may make a difference in terms of residency placement, and since I want to do my residency on the east coast, I think BU may be a better option in that regard
 
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