Nursing School Vs Med School, no comparison.

[TooMuchResearch]

Uh... There are a lot of physicians that use brand names and don't know generics. It's how they were trained. Some of them even look at ME weird if I don't know brand names.

I just learned which ones people call by generics, brand names, and either and do that. Levetiracetam (sp?)? Keppra. Lisinopril? Lisinopril. Valproate, amlodipine, Tylenol? Dealer's choice.

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[Kaustikos]

I just learned which ones people call by generics, brand names, and either and do that. Levetiracetam (sp?)? Keppra. Lisinopril? Lisinopril. Valproate, amlodipine, Tylenol? Dealer's choice.

Agreed. Im just saying nurses aren't the only ones who do that.

 

[TooMuchResearch]

Agreed. Im just saying nurses aren't the only ones who do that.

I don't disagree. Even our clinical pharmacists do it.

 

[Kaustikos]

I don't disagree. Even our clinical pharmacists do it.

I just don't like it when I ask what the generic is and they don't know. Then I look it up and I know what the drug is, lol.
Though some understand it and don't judge because they know our education teaches us on generic names.

 

[Doctor Kiwi]

Uh... There are a lot of physicians that use brand names and don't know generics. It's how they were trained. Some of them even look at ME weird if I don't know brand names.

Are you a doctor? Because you don't sound like one. Every medical student is taught the generic name first and foremost above all else. Unfortunately, many physicians have given in to the persuasion of drug companies. In an ideal world all physicians would be using generic names

 

[username456789]

Are you a doctor? Because you don't sound like one. Every medical student is taught the generic name first and foremost above all else. Unfortunately, many physicians have given in to the persuasion of drug companies. In an ideal world all physicians would be using generic names

Kaus is a medical student about to graduate.

I can certainly vouch for the fact that there are attendings out there who, through habit, use the brand name of a medication so often that they forget the generic name.

 

[Doctor Kiwi]

Kaus is a medical student about to graduate.

I can certainly vouch for the fact that there are attendings out there who, through habit, use the brand name of a medication so often that they forget the generic name.

Kaustikos, I apologize for my rude behaviour. I have tremendous respect for you as a student. My point was that some nurses think that the drug is actually called that. Some doctors may use brand names excessively, but atleast they know that a generic name exists

 

[Kaustikos]

Kaustikos, I apologize for my rude behaviour. I have tremendous respect for you as a student. My point was that some nurses think that the drug is actually called that. Some doctors may use brand names excessively, but atleast they know that a generic name exists

If that's what you meant, then nevermind my post lol

 

[Doudline]

Kaustikos, I apologize for my rude behaviour. I have tremendous respect for you as a student. My point was that some nurses think that the drug is actually called that. Some doctors may use brand names excessively, but atleast they know that a generic name exists

Oh, yes, the tragedy. Nurses really need to get their **** together, don't they?
No wonder they're killing patients left and right!

 

[JehNissi]

Im an NP and proud to be one! But in all my years of both nursing and APN years, I would never claim and even think that I know as much as an MD/DO. You have my respect on that. You went to school more than half of your life and the knowledge amd training you docs have acquired over those years are greatly incomparable to the 2.5 years of masters study we had.
So yes, I agree with you all that NP's and PA's should know where we stand, what are limitations and capabilities are. This being said, some of you FM/IM docs who work in offices that have mid-levels push the train wrecks, drug seeking, complicated-demanding patients our way...anyway! Why?! Because you don't want to deal with it! Then you complain about unnecessary tests and wrong treatments being ordered. So work with us! Patients needs to be appropriately triaged and be managed by the right Provider.

Admit it or not, there is a huge shortage of medical practitioners and if only patients are given to the appropriate provider, we can all actually work as a team, take some load off of you, and allow us to to handle what we are able to.

I work in a walk-in clinic all staffed by mid-levels. And we're clearly limited to who and what we can see, which I appreciate coz then I know that when we punt these patients or send them back to their PCP's, they will be getting the right care. A lot of times patients themselves would say, my doc told me to come here for my sinus problems. That's team work! Instead of bickering with each other, let us work with what we have. After all, NP's/PA's are here to stay. And for those of us mid-levels, be realistic...we're referred to mid's for a reason. We're useful and good in our limited capacity. Give the rest of the credit to the docs, they worked hard for it!

 

[Doctor Kiwi]

Im an NP and proud to be one! But in all my years of both nursing and APN years, I would never claim and even think that I know as much as an MD/DO. You have my respect on that. You went to school more than half of your life and the knowledge amd training you docs have acquired over those years are greatly incomparable to the 2.5 years of masters study we had.
So yes, I agree with you all that NP's and PA's should know where we stand, what are limitations and capabilities are. This being said, some of you FM/IM docs who work in offices that have mid-levels push the train wrecks, drug seeking, complicated-demanding patients our way...anyway! Why?! Because you don't want to deal with it! Then you complain about unnecessary tests and wrong treatments being ordered. So work with us! Patients needs to be appropriately triaged and be managed by the right Provider.

Admit it or not, there is a huge shortage of medical practitioners and if only patients are given to the appropriate provider, we can all actually work as a team, take some load off of you, and allow us to to handle what we are able to.

I work in a walk-in clinic all staffed by mid-levels. And we're clearly limited to who and what we can see, which I appreciate coz then I know that when we punt these patients or send them back to their PCP's, they will be getting the right care. A lot of times patients themselves would say, my doc told me to come here for my sinus problems. That's team work! Instead of bickering with each other, let us work with what we have. After all, NP's/PA's are here to stay. And for those of us mid-levels, be realistic...we're referred to mid's for a reason. We're useful and good in our limited capacity. Give the rest of the credit to the docs, they worked hard for it!

I appreciate you. You're the right kind of nurse ☺

 

[Doctor Kiwi]

Oh, yes, the tragedy. Nurses really need to get their **** together, don't they?
No wonder they're killing patients left and right!

You sound like a very sarcastic, bitter nurse. Am I right about you being a nurse?

 

[Psai]

There's really no shortage of doctors, especially not in the places where mid levels go to work

 

[cbrons]

There's really no shortage of doctors, especially not in the places where mid levels go to work

Am I just tired or does this statement make no sense?

 

[Tired]

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[username456789]

Am I just tired or does this statement make no sense?

Makes sense. There is not a shortage of physicians, there is a maldistribution. Additionally, he is saying that mid levels do not seem to be flocking toward the currently underserved areas, but that they - like everyone else - tend to prefer living in more populated urban/suburban areas where there are plenty of physicians. So, in effect, they are not really helping the distribution issue.

 

[loris]

In case anyone is curious about a specific state or location, you can search for regions that have been designated as Health Professional Shortage Areas in terms of primary care, dental care, or mental health care on the US Department of Health and Human Services website; the advanced search has a few more options like type of HPSA or facility. You can also see if a particular address is in a Health Professional Shortage Area that is eligible for a Medicare physician bonus payment.

 

[NickNaylor]

Makes sense. There is not a shortage of physicians, there is a maldistribution. Additionally, he is saying that mid levels do not seem to be flocking toward the currently underserved areas, but that they - like everyone else - tend to prefer living in more populated urban/suburban areas where there are plenty of physicians. So, in effect, they are not really helping the distribution issue.

Not to toot my own horn here but I wrote a blog post that delves into this issue. As @GuyWhoDoesStuff mentions, the problem isn't a problem of raw numbers - it's of distribution. The US actually fares pretty well when it comes to physicians per capita - not as well as some of the hardcore socialist systems in Europe, but on par with or even more than some systems which are touted as "good" systems. The problem is in distribution. Physicians are unevenly distributed along the coasts and in major urban areas. This results in areas where physicians per capita are significantly higher than the average and areas (e.g., largely rural areas) where physicians are significantly lower than the average.

There is limited data on NP distribution, but one study that I found basically uncovered the same trend: NPs tend to distribute along those same lines and minimally if at all address the "shortage" (i.e., distribution problem) because they don't actually end up working in those rural areas. One presentation that I found suggested that NPs increased access to care in areas that were "underserved," but I found the study design and analysis suspect and don't put much stock into it.

As things currently stand, the shortage is a myth. For whatever reason it has made its way into the public consciousness and groups like the AMA seem to hold on to it like nothing else - I'm assuming for the purposes of lobbying for more medical-related funding. But unless markets become so saturated that it becomes difficult or impossible for physicians to find jobs in those areas - forcing them to move out to other areas for gainful employment - the answer to the "shortage" is not "more physicians" or even "more providers." The answer is to come up with appropriate incentives to encourage physicians to work in areas that have lower physicians per capita. Yes, these incentives currently exist, but clearly they've done absolutely nothing as the problem hasn't been addressed in spite of their presence.

 

[Kaustikos]

No, I'm Tired. You're cbrons.

You've waited your whole life for this

 

[Tired]

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[MalenurseRN]

Hi everyone,

I'm glad this topic is discussed because I'm a nurse (BSN) and I can't stand it!!! Nurses think that just because they know how to put in an IV, run an IV pump, and insert a Foley, they're God's gift to healthcare. News flash fellow nurses, we're not!
I agree with a previous post, if NPs and DNPs want to become primary care providers then they should take steps 1,2, and 3. And what the he'll does "I could've gone to med school but I chose not to" mean? I told my nursing professor that nursing was my back up plan (I know I shouldn't have a back up plan if I'm serious about medicine but life hasn't been easy and don't judge me). They didn't like that. Well you know what? I don't care. I hate the senior nurses rip into an intern. This person graduated from one of the toughest programs in the world and just because you have 20 years of NURSING experience you have the right the belittle him/her.

 

[Nasrudin]

 

[Microshaft]

Hi everyone,

I'm glad this topic is discussed because I'm a nurse (BSN) and I can't stand it!!! Nurses think that just because they know how to put in an IV, run an IV pump, and insert a Foley, they're God's gift to healthcare. News flash fellow nurses, we're not!
I agree with a previous post, if NPs and DNPs want to become primary care providers then they should take steps 1,2, and 3. And what the he'll does "I could've gone to med school but I chose not to" mean? I told my nursing professor that nursing was my back up plan (I know I shouldn't have a back up plan if I'm serious about medicine but life hasn't been easy and don't judge me). They didn't like that. Well you know what? I don't care. I hate the senior nurses rip into an intern. This person graduated from one of the toughest programs in the world and just because you have 20 years of NURSING experience you have the right the belittle him/her.

while this does ring true, u sound pretty self-loathing

also lol @ taking a dump on nursing in front of the prof

 

[MalenurseRN]

while this does ring true, u sound pretty self-loathing

also lol @ taking a dump on nursing in front of the prof

Self-loathing? I respect and care for myself enough to accept the truth. Moreover, I left the profession in March of this year. I became a nurse because I thought it was a respectable profession with respectful people. It isn't! I hoped it would give me unique insight into the world of healthcare, but the only thing I learned was that nurses don't practice what they preach. They preach understanding and caring but won't hesistate to talk bad about a co-worker, or a patient. If healthcare was the Brady Bunch, nurses would be Jan, "Marcia marcia marcia!"

 

[W19]

while this does ring true, u sound pretty self-loathing

also lol @ taking a dump on nursing in front of the prof

He is describing the culture of the nursing profession. I asked one of my nursing prof for a LOR when I decided to go med school and she asked me why don't I become a NP. I told her why I chose med school instead of NP. She agreed to write me the LOR and I am a MS2 now still waiting for that LOR. Lol... I emailed her at least 3 times when I was ready to apply and you can guess the rest.

They teach nurses that physician care about prestige and money... I remember in nursing school one of the prof showed us a physician website where you guys/gals were talking about salary. You tell me what she was trying to convey there... Physician caring more about power and prestige were also constant topics in my class 'Ethics in Healthcare'.

 

[MalenurseRN]

He is describing the culture of the nursing profession. I asked one of my nursing prof for an LOR when I decided to go med school and she asked me why don't I become an NP. I told her why I chose med school instead of NP. She agreed to write me the LOR and I am an MS2 now still waiting for that LOR. Lol... I emailed her at least 3 times when I was ready to apply and you can guess the rest.

They teach nurses that physician care about prestige and money... I remember in nursing school one of the prof showed us a physician website where you guys/gals were talking about salary. You tell me what she was trying to convey there... Physician caring more about power and prestige were also constant topics in my class 'Ethics in Healthcare'.

I've had similar experiences. I was going to apply for a post-baccalaureate premed program and asked one of my nursing professors for a LOR. Her response was "why are you applying to that program?" Scratched her off my list!
Most MDs I've spoken to encourage me to go to med school, but my nursing colleagues criticize me for it. At one point, I got so fed up with the bs in nursing school I told my classmates that an LPN can do our job haha

 

[MalenurseRN]

I read an article about NPs taking over the primary care role as a way of cutting costs and improving access to healthcare. It's cheaper to employee an NP, but studies showed that they order more unnecessary tests which, in the end, costs more. In my opinion, this is because of their subpar training.

 

[Nasrudin]

Maybe I'm just naturally paranoid but this feels like it was back in the 60's when FBI plant provocateurs would put tie died shirts on and would yell out F the pigs! With crew cuts, just a little to fresh to the party.

Hmmmmphhht....(right!?)....here.

 

[TheShowGoesOn]

I've had similar experiences. I was going to apply for a post-baccalaureate premed program and asked one of my nursing professors for a LOR. Her response was "why are you applying to that program?" Scratched her off my list!
Most MDs I've spoken to encourage me to go to med school, but my nursing colleagues criticize me for it. At one point, I got so fed up with the bs in nursing school I told my classmates that an LPN can do our job haha

Fellow male nurse here, you should see the reactions on some of my colleagues when I say we're glorified babysitters
Fortunately I have been able to connect with many nurses who see my goal of becoming a physician in a positive light. I'd like to think i'm good at what I do and have a passion for helping people and interest in medicine- nursing was a great start but I am looking for things that it cannot provide me and this is why I must make the transition to MD/DO.
Cannot wait to start my med school journey.

 

[FIREitUP]

No, I'm Tired. You're cbrons.

 

[Psai]

Fellow male nurse here, you should see the reactions on some of my colleagues when I say we're glorified babysitters
Fortunately I have been able to connect with many nurses who see my goal of becoming a physician in a positive light. I'd like to think i'm good at what I do and have a passion for helping people and interest in medicine- nursing was a great start but I am looking for things that it cannot provide me and this is why I must make the transition to MD/DO.
Cannot wait to start my med school journey.

Nurses are important no doubt. Patient care is so much easier when you have a competent nurse rather than some idiot who keeps calling the ascom because the wound vac is beeping

 

[TheShowGoesOn]

Nurses are important no doubt. Patient care is so much easier when you have a competent nurse rather than some idiot who keeps calling the ascom because the wound vac is beeping

No doubt. Every healthcare profession has a role to play- of course some do it better than others, there will always be those that are incompetent. No matter what certificate or letters you have after your name.

 

[KEB]

As someone who is about to complete medical school, and who went through nursing school for a BSN, the knowledge gap between the two is exponential. In light of recent arguments made by militant nurses who argue that the required nursing courses to complete an associates degree or BSN is just as good as medical school. First you take an A&P, 101 course on microbiology, a introductory 12 week course in "orgo/gen chem, Biochem" all combined superficially in 12 weeks, 12 week course in Pathophysiology 101. Looking back those courses, they were very superficial at the amount of knowledge required to pass. Those science courses were no where near the complexity that medical schools dig into, where things get broken down into the mechanism of protein structures that allow them to function a certain way. With out understanding the complexities of the inner workings of what actually occur at the cellular level, you can't begin to understand what went wrong when the ALGORITHM they are trained to follow doesn't go according to plan. Then comes the nursing courses, and the "clinicals" that they do. The actual nursing courses were good enough to understand and complete NURSING tasks. They were not good enough to treat and effectively manage complex disease, but when I was a nursing student at that time I thought I knew just as much as a doctor, and I was dead wrong. The clinicals were a joke, you passed out meds,maybe gave a few injections, changed wet diapers on incontinent patients, and followed the orders given by the doctor. I am all about advanced education, but there is NO DIFFERENCE in the fundamental knowledge between a RN VS BSN other than some "nursing research courses and fluff to get fancy titles like clinical nurse specialist, or infection control specialist" but the core principles are EXACTLY THE SAME. So when they claim they have a BSN not an associates in nursing, there is NO difference, and I dare you to find me a BSN who would say there is. Something else that ticks me off I hear from nurses trying to be MD's is " I have 15+ years in the ICU, ER, or MED/SURG floor," that counts as more education like a residency. Good for you! But, when I worked as a nurses assistant for 5+ years I didn't claim to know or be equivalent to a RN just because I saw what they did, and helped them carry out orders. How would NURSES like it if LPN's claimed to be EQUIVALENT to RN's/BSN's? Probably wouldn't go well. I am not knocking down the profession of nursing, what I am annoyed with is NURSES/NP's claiming to be equivalent to MD's. You are not, you were trained in the NURSING SCOPE of practice. I love nurses, yes I would trust a seasoned ICU nurse's opinion vs a Freshly minted MD out of med school in July as an Intern, but I guarantee that by the end of 3-4 months of intern year, his knowledge base will increase exponentialy to surpass that of any ICU nurse due to his knowledge base gained from 8 years of education that doesn't stop during residency, and now applying it daily as a intern. So nurses I beg you to please just work within your scope as a nurse, and stop trying to claim equivelancy through studies "propaganda" funded by the militant nurses association.

I've been a nurse for some time, and I've never known a nurse who thought they were as knowledgable as a MD. Coincidentally, I also have a BS in chemistry and a MS in biology, and I am applying to medical school for that very reason. I know if I remain a nurse, I'll always be thought of as nothing more than a glorified ass-wiper, and I'm too smart for that.

 

[Roxas]

I've been a nurse for some time, and I've never known a nurse who thought they were as knowledgable as a MD. Coincidentally, I also have a BS in chemistry and a MS in biology, and I am applying to medical school for that very reason. I know if I remain a nurse, I'll always be thought of as nothing more than a glorified ass-wiper, and I'm too smart for that.

That's fortunate for you then. I wouldn't describe the attituded I've seen as that of being more knowledgeable per se, but that nurses are the ones that "really know what's going on" with the patient

 

[medschoolkid]

Mostly right, except there is a huge difference between 4-year university BSN (I am talking about BSN program from UW, Harvard or UPENN those internationally renowned programs) vs an associate, yes much DIFFERENCE

 

[medschoolkid]

I don't mind the nursing staff I repeat nursing staff, they do put us through the wringer. They live at that hospital, they really care and watch over patients like hawks. I don't mind that. What I won't stand for is the ones that think that because you're a rookie, you're an idiot who wasted his life in med school. And, because you made some strange remarks, questionable rookie mistakes as an intern, they now think they are greater than physicians. I love, LOVE nurses, I can't emphasizes them enough, I've had this conversation with them. Most new interns will make mistakes, nurses they have more technical knowledge at the time, but after 3-5 months intern year, the Intern is clearly outlast any ICU nurse, and only continues to build while they have plateaued.

3-5 months? Isn't that a bit too optimistic?

 

[AlteredScale]

Mostly right, except there is a huge difference between 4-year university BSN (I am talking about BSN program from UW, Harvard or UPENN those internationally renowned programs) vs an associate, yes much DIFFERENCE

Harvard doesn't have a School of Nursing? And even so, it's not like the BSN students at UPenn are taking gross anatomy with the MS-1/2's. I think the only difference at these "internationally rigorous" programs is their clinicals.

 

[MalenurseRN]

That's fortunate for you then. I wouldn't describe the attituded I've seen as that of being more knowledgeable per se, but that nurses are the ones that "really know what's going on" with the patient

That's the problem. They think they know what's going on, but they have a basic understanding of the patient's medical condition.
How many medical schools do you know that allow you to complete your medical degree online? How many med students do you know that can work full-time and go to med school? How many part-time med students have you come across? I have yet to come across one in all cases. NPs can go to school part-time and still finish their degree in 3 years, take the GRE (which was a joke btw and not every NP program requires it), and get their degree online.
Only when nursing schools increase the standards of their NP programs, nurses take the MCAT, and take the steps will I even BEGIN to compare MDs and NPs/DNP.
I'm still trying to explain to my friend who's in an NP program how to determine if a patient has metabolic or respiratory acidosis/alkalosis.

 

[jl lin]

It was actually a rural pediatric office, so I am sure she is still there. She was certainly lower on the skill/knowledge level, but she wasn't really an extreme outlier.

Hmmm, in many of the places I've worked, she certainly would have been an outlier--although, I have seen unit politics as a factor. This means that if some of the stellar or politically secure RNs in the unit like the less than functional RN, they may cover for her/him. It's more tolerable when they are actually trying to teach someone that is bright enough and gives a damn. It's insufferable when it's ALL about politics and the likability of the person, and the person, no matter what, continues to be less than stellar. But yea. They exist.

In general, however, many medical and surgical intensive care units are fishbowls or to use another kind of example, they can be like boot camp hell weeks, where people will jump all over the nurse's stuff. Sometimes it's fair, and sometimes it isn't. Politics and likability can often play too great of a part. And that's where you say, "Time to look elsewhere to work."

 

[jl lin]

LOL

 

[jl lin]

That's the problem. They think they know what's going on, but they have a basic understanding of the patient's medical condition.
How many medical schools do you know that allow you to complete your medical degree online? How many med students do you know that can work full-time and go to med school? How many part-time med students have you come across? I have yet to come across one in all cases. NPs can go to school part-time and still finish their degree in 3 years, take the GRE (which was a joke btw and not every NP program requires it), and get their degree online.
Only when nursing schools increase the standards of their NP programs, nurses take the MCAT, and take the steps will I even BEGIN to compare MDs and NPs/DNP.
I'm still trying to explain to my friend who's in an NP program how to determine if a patient has metabolic or respiratory acidosis/alkalosis.

Seriously? OMG This is so basic---no pun intended. To be fair, I think experience and knowledge depends on the individual, although I stand by my previous statement that no RN or NP would think they are as well-prepared and educated as someone that has successfully been through MS, a solid residency/fellowship, etc. If you can't figure out how to read blood gases, give it up.

 

[W19]

That's the problem. They think they know what's going on, but they have a basic understanding of the patient's medical condition.
How many medical schools do you know that allow you to complete your medical degree online? How many med students do you know that can work full-time and go to med school? How many part-time med students have you come across? I have yet to come across one in all cases. NPs can go to school part-time and still finish their degree in 3 years, take the GRE (which was a joke btw and not every NP program requires it), and get their degree online.
Only when nursing schools increase the standards of their NP programs, nurses take the MCAT, and take the steps will I even BEGIN to compare MDs and NPs/DNP.
I'm still trying to explain to my friend who's in an NP program how to determine if a patient has metabolic or respiratory acidosis/alkalosis.

I defended you earlier, but it's apparent that you have some kind of 'beef' with nurses... Why?

 

[NYCGuy86]

Seriously? OMG This is so basic---no pun intended. To be fair, I think experience and knowledge depends on the individual, although I stand by my previous statement that no RN or NP would think they are as well-prepared and educated as someone that has successfully been through MS, a solid residency/fellowship, etc. If you can't figure out how to read blood gases, give it up.

I agree. I just completed my second semester in a BSN program, and at the very beginning of both med/surg nursing I and patho I we covered ABG basics, including signs and symptoms of metabolic/respiratory acidosis/alkalosis. I assume this would be covered in more detail in an NP program (one would hope).

Later on I'll post my thoughts on my experiences in nursing school and why I periodically consider medical school. Briefly, it's the depth of science content, i.e. in depth study of the human body and disease, that attracts me, and simply isn't found in nursing (though I don't think that knowledge is necessary for bedside RN practice. NP...well...).

 

[MalenurseRN]

Seriously? OMG This is so basic---no pun intended. To be fair, I think experience and knowledge depends on the individual, although I stand by my previous statement that no RN or NP would think they are as well-prepared and educated as someone that has successfully been through MS, a solid residency/fellowship, etc. If you can't figure out how to read blood gases, give it up.

Seriously! We haven'

I defended you earlier, but it's apparent that you have some kind of 'beef' with nurses... Why?

It's like a cat vs dog. I'm a hardworking person, non-trad student who graduated with honors, studied my ass off during undergrad, inducted into nursing honors society in my junior year, graduated with honors, one of 5 students to receive a full-tuition scholarship, etc. I came in early to work and, in some instances, left hours past the end of my shift when rapids were called. All in the name of teamwork and quality care.
My first nursing job was a day shift on a very busy med surg floor in Manhattan and it was a bad experience because of the nurses. After nine months of trying to earn their respect by being respectful and working hard, I decided it wasn't worth trying anymore. If they're going to be rude to me then I'm going to be rude to them. If they're going to point out my weaknesses I'm going to point out theirs and that's what I started to do! "Oh you've been a nurse for 25 years yet you can't tell me why we DONT give patients with hyponatremia D5W. Oh you've a nurse for 25 years yet you can't tell me why we can't give amiodarone, or another glycoprotein inhibitor to a patient taking digoxin and has a hx renal disease."

 

[jl lin]

Seriously! We haven'

It's like a cat vs dog. I'm a hardworking person, non-trad student who graduated with honors, studied my ass off during undergrad, inducted into nursing honors society in my junior year, graduated with honors, one of 5 students to receive a full-tuition scholarship, etc. I came in early to work and, in some instances, left hours past the end of my shift when rapids were called. All in the name of teamwork and quality care.
My first nursing job was a day shift on a very busy med surg floor in Manhattan and it was a bad experience because of the nurses. After nine months of trying to earn their respect by being respectful and working hard, I decided it wasn't worth trying anymore. If they're going to be rude to me then I'm going to be rude to them. If they're going to point out my weaknesses I'm going to point out theirs and that's what I started to do! "Oh you've been a nurse for 25 years yet you can't tell me why we DONT give patients with hyponatremia D5W. Oh you've a nurse for 25 years yet you can't tell me why we can't give amiodarone, or another glycoprotein inhibitor to a patient taking digoxin and has a hx renal disease."

Yea, working with some nurses is just plain aggravating. I'm thankful I've worked with some good people; but I totally know what you mean with re: to others. It gets exhausting after a while, and the job is exhausting enough. I just think a number of them don't get what it means to be a true professional or to work together or to go the extra mile to understand what it is they are doing. Like I said. Sad.

 

[level1]

Fellow male nurse here, you should see the reactions on some of my colleagues when I say we're glorified babysitters
Fortunately I have been able to connect with many nurses who see my goal of becoming a physician in a positive light. I'd like to think i'm good at what I do and have a passion for helping people and interest in medicine- nursing was a great start but I am looking for things that it cannot provide me and this is why I must make the transition to MD/DO.
Cannot wait to start my med school journey.

Haha. I'm totally not looking forward to the day when I tell all my nursing instructors that I'm planning to go to med school. Right now I need some financial stability and a great way to get exposure to healthcare is nursing. I wish I was comfortable enough to risk it all and take loans to do a post-bacc, but I'd rather get the RN and work while I do a post-bacc. Nursing school is a cakewalk and I am terrified of classmates that are scraping by with minimum passes. I'll never go the NP route because I want to practice medicine and not imitate those who actually do. Physicians are the alphas of healthcare and those who fail to recognize don't know their role in the system.

 

[MalenurseRN]

Yea, working with some nurses is just plain aggravating. I'm thankful I've worked with some good people; but I totally know what you mean with re: to others. It gets exhausting after a while, and the job is exhausting enough. I just think a number of them don't get what it means to be a true professional or to work together or to go the extra mile to understand what it is they are doing. Like I said. Sad.

I tried to talk to them. I told them this was my first nursing job. I was open and honest with my preceptors when I said I was hesitant and a little afraid. That's why I was taking it slow. I wanted to make sure I read every word of every order. I asked them to remember what it was like when they started their nursing career and it fell on deaf ears. Naturally, I spent most of my free time with the interns and residents
Hemingway said, "There's nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man. True nobility is being superior to your former self."
I might feel differently after med school but I'm still holding a grudge.

 

[Psai]

Harvard doesn't have a School of Nursing? And even so, it's not like the BSN students at UPenn are taking gross anatomy with the MS-1/2's. I think the only difference at these "internationally rigorous" programs is their clinicals.

I know mass gen does

 

[popopopop]

Seriously! We haven'

It's like a cat vs dog. I'm a hardworking person, non-trad student who graduated with honors, studied my ass off during undergrad, inducted into nursing honors society in my junior year, graduated with honors, one of 5 students to receive a full-tuition scholarship, etc. I came in early to work and, in some instances, left hours past the end of my shift when rapids were called. All in the name of teamwork and quality care.
My first nursing job was a day shift on a very busy med surg floor in Manhattan and it was a bad experience because of the nurses. After nine months of trying to earn their respect by being respectful and working hard, I decided it wasn't worth trying anymore. If they're going to be rude to me then I'm going to be rude to them. If they're going to point out my weaknesses I'm going to point out theirs and that's what I started to do! "Oh you've been a nurse for 25 years yet you can't tell me why we DONT give patients with hyponatremia D5W. Oh you've a nurse for 25 years yet you can't tell me why we can't give amiodarone, or another glycoprotein inhibitor to a patient taking digoxin and has a hx renal disease."

You sound very ignorant and irrational. You're not special, we all work hard. So you had a bad experience, move on and don't judge the whole profession. Hospitals, even floors will range widely in the quality of staff. You had bad luck on yours and it's good that you left. You're going to work with ****ty nurses, social workers, and even doctors one day. Try to stay away from them and focus your care on your patients.

I wish we can just put all the doctors and nurses who bicker in the same hospital and leave them so the rest of us can get work done.

 

[ratiocinate]

I don't know.