NYCOM Class of 2012

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The class of 2012 start date is august 18th. I know this because this is when your financial aid reimbursements will be distributed. Class of 2011 is august 11th and 2010 and 2009 is july 2nd.

You definitely can not miss the first week of school or they won't matriculate you.


In terms of apartment complexes. What is your price range and how many bedrooms are you looking for?
 
I've heard mixed reviews online about Avalon... I know it's pricey but I'm more concerned about other negatives posted on reviews online... can anyone share some insight on this apt complex? Thank youuu🙂
 
ssf8132 said:
I've heard mixed reviews online about Avalon... I know it's pricey but I'm more concerned about other negatives posted on reviews online... can anyone share some insight on this apt complex? Thank youuu🙂
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Everyone I know that lives there likes it, really the only negative thing I've heard is the price.
 
DocInProgress said:
I thought school starts on the last week of August, not the 3rd week. Is it safe to go out of the country until the last week of August assuming housing and financial aid are all complete before I leave?

In addition, did anyone receive any new packets since the DPC/immunization forms? I heard they were suppose to send some financial aid packages but I haven't received it yet.
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Hey,

I talked to the financial aid office today and they said that a package will be going out in the next few weeks. As for leaving, I wouldn't near the end of August. Last year school started on Aug 20.

As for getting together, I think that's an awesome idea. It'll give us a chance to get to know each other and perhaps pick out roommates! Maybe we should try to organize it through the NYCOM 2012 Facebook group? Only problem for me is that I'm from Buffalo. I'll have to JetBlue it out there. The only question now is, where to meet? Perhaps a picnic in Central/Prospect Park? Anyone here love organizing events? :laugh:
 
Yeah, lets meet.
Pros/cons of sites:
Central Park is a great place to meet. But we should make it near Columbus Circle or close to some subway entrance near the park. People wandering in the park tends to get lost. But lots of things to do in the park, so it'll be fun.

Barnes and Noble in Union Sq is also a popular meeting place. But not much to do afterwards unless your idea of having fun is reading books.

Washington sq Park is also a good meeting place. Lots of good restaurant within walking distance/by subway.
🙂
 
ssf8132 said:
I've heard mixed reviews online about Avalon... I know it's pricey but I'm more concerned about other negatives posted on reviews online... can anyone share some insight on this apt complex? Thank youuu🙂
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Avalon looks really nice. Avalon North looks even nicer. Unless you're Paris Hilton, the price is way too absurd for the average NYCOM students who are already paying a ridiculously high tuition. 1.5k for a one bedroom? I think, no, I WILL pass. :laugh:

Hope there's more affordable options around the ranges of 400-500/month with free heating (price shared amongst room mates as this price is almost non-existent for a one bedroom in LI). 🙄
 
Hey all, thought I would say hello to those starting in August at NYCOM. I look forward to meeting some of you (only because the class sizes are huge!!!). If anyone needs help with some facts about med education or what to expect, let me know. I am a good source for a lot of info. See you in August!!!

Scott
 
Hello and congratulations to those accepted to NYCOM. I was recently accepted and would really like to attend. I have one reservation, however, and that's the high drop-out rate. It seems that most other schools I interviewed at are much more supportive of their students that are struggling. I do not believe it is because NYCOM's acceptance standards are too low. Most other schools with lower standards have not had these issues. Even NYCOM's DPC program does not have these issues.

Does anyone have any idea how difficult it is to get into the DPC program or when they notify you if you are accepted? Thank you for your response!!
 
friolenta said:
Hello and congratulations to those accepted to NYCOM. I was recently accepted and would really like to attend. I have one reservation, however, and that's the high drop-out rate. It seems that most other schools I interviewed at are much more supportive of their students that are struggling. I do not believe it is because NYCOM's acceptance standards are too low. Most other schools with lower standards have not had these issues. Even NYCOM's DPC program does not have these issues.

Does anyone have any idea how difficult it is to get into the DPC program or when they notify you if you are accepted? Thank you for your response!!
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are you planning on dropping out or do you plan on kicking some serious @$$ while in school? if you answered the second, i wouldn't be worried 👍

hehe, but in all seriousness, one of the upperclassmen addressed the issue of a few of his fellow classmates who did drop out and why; when it came down to it, only a few of them were bc of performance in classes. others left for a variety of reasons. NYCOM's perceived drop out rate seems overinflated on SDN.
 
jp104 said:
I could be entirely wrong but....

The class of 2011 started with 295 students. Right now, I think we are at about 279 or 278 or so. Let's break that difference down (~17 people):

1) Approx. 2-3 people that I heard of were taken off waitlists to other schools in the beginning of the year.
2) 1 person that I know left because they decided that school wasn't for them after the first system.
3) Approx. 3-4 people in the emigre program have disappeared for various reasons. One that I knew personally just never showed up one day, and another (anecdotally) I heard wanted to concentrate on taking Step 1 and 2 over.
4) Anecdotally I heard of 1 person who requested a transfer to another school.

So, that's about 9 people right there. That leaves about 8 people who for various other reasons (academic, etc) are no longer with our class. With my limited math skills that comes out to about 2.7% which is probably in line with most other schools.

I am not familiar with the dynamics of the class of 2010, but I imagine the curriculum change they experienced had some part to play. For instance, from what I understand (hearsay) one system of theirs counted as two for purposes of academic dismissal (Cardio/Pulmonary). Can someone in 2010 confirm that?

I just want to assure you guys that it's not all Doom and Gloom 🙂 If you study hard, go to class (if that's how you learn) and pay attention, you'll pass and do well 👍
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quoting JP so the person above can see his take as a current student.
 
hey everyone, congrats to those who got in!

it looks like my 2 roommates and i will be moving out of our apt in glen cove, so it is up for grabs. we are 10 minutes from the nycom campus. it is the 2nd floor of a 2 family home (separate entrance). the staircase opens into a large living room, which is continuous with the dining room and kitchen. (ie, there are partitions, but not doors --> very light, airy feel!) the living room also has a large walk-in storage closet. the hallway has 1 bathroom with a bathtub, as well as a coat closet. each bedroom comes with a closet as well. the master bedroom (mine) is the largest, and has its own attached bathroom with a standing-room shower (but it's still pretty roomy!). the entire apartment has wooden flooring, except for the kitchen and bathroom (which are tiled). the kitchen has lots of counter space, and a flat-surface electric stove and oven. it also has a fridge and dishwasher. the whole apartment is quite sunny and enjoyable to be in.

we are within walking distance of the glen cove train station on the oyster bay line. we also have a washer and dryer in unit, but the washer has to be hooked up under the kitchen sink. if that's too annoying for you, there's a laundromat down the street, in the same plaza as the 24 hour cvs. we are also very close to the stop and shop grocery store, a wide number of restaurants, and the planet fitness gym ($10 per month!). the landlady lives with her husband downstairs, and she provided us with 2 parking spots in her driveway. (whoever gets to the apt latest in the day parks in the church free parking lot next door.) the apartment is wired for cable/internet, and has central AC and radiator heat regulated by a thermostat in the hallway.

we will all be starting our rotations july 3, so the apt is available from around then. the address is 43 pearsall avenue, glen cove ny. our landlord is geraldine pipitone, and she can be reached at 516.671.6308.



on a separate note...if you are the sort of person who is highly self-motivated and can't stand sitting in lecture, sign up for DPC!!!
 
count me in on a class shirt. maybe a ringer tee? white with a blue ringer trim? with all the NYIT logos slathered on it one way or another, of course. I like the idea of putting your name on the back like a baseball jersey, maybe with '12 as the number?
 
Hey everyone!

I'm looking for a 1br/studio apartment in Glencove, Bayville, Oyster Bay... in that general area. If you know of anything, send me a message. Thanks!!

Happy Easter to anyone who celebrates this weekend 🙂
 
Hey I wanted to know if NYCOM had a pre-matriculation summer program. If so how long is it, what is it, is it helpful...some pros/cons please.
 
Hi everyone just got my acceptance letter from NYCOM and I am so excited!! Can't wait to start. Congrats to everyone in the Class of 2012!
 
We are actually making good progress on setting up a night out in NYC for the class of 2012...check out the postings on nycom's c/o 2012 facebook page b/c thats where all the discussion is taking place...as of now we are set to go either the weekend of may 24th of the 31st.
 
vcarter01 said:
We are actually making good progress on setting up a night out in NYC for the class of 2012...check out the postings on nycom's c/o 2012 facebook page b/c thats where all the discussion is taking place...as of now we are set to go either the weekend of may 24th of the 31st.
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Very cool! In my opition, the weekend of the 31st might be better just because the other weekend is memorial day weekend. People might be going away, I know I am..🙂
 
happygirl3 said:
Very cool! In my opition, the weekend of the 31st might be better just because the other weekend is memorial day weekend. People might be going away, I know I am..🙂
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That was *opinion. I am a nerd, can't deal with a spelling mistake...
 
I agree. I think the 24th would be a better option as I also am leaving country in June so May 31st is cutting it pretty close.
 
can someone post the link to the NYCOM 2012 facebook page? Cant seem to find it. Thanks:laugh:
 
ADeclan said:
can someone post the link to the NYCOM 2012 facebook page? Cant seem to find it. Thanks:laugh:
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it's a group on facebook, search "NYCOM" and in the results, click on the "Groups" tab, it'll be there 👍
 
Does anyone know when NYCOM is mailing out Fin Aid packet, health insurance info, e-mail accounts, access to web boards etc. Just a little curious. 🙂
 
Hey are there any HPSP students in the class of 2012?
 
ADeclan said:
Does anyone know when NYCOM is mailing out Fin Aid packet, health insurance info, e-mail accounts, access to web boards etc. Just a little curious. 🙂
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I called them to ask this very question and all they were able to say is "some time soon". They are planning to send it out to everyone at the same time. It might even be after the entire class of 2012 has been accepted, which means it will probably be atleast another month till we get it 😕 I am pretty antsy to get the financial aid packet..
 
JimmyNeutrino said:
hey gmok, what is HPSP? I don't think I'm familiar with it.
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It's the program where you join the US Armed Forces (ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE) and they pay your tuition in full. I'm sure you can find more information if you google it up.
 
JimmyNeutrino said:
hey gmok, what is HPSP? I don't think I'm familiar with it.
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It stands for Health Professions Scholarship Program. Like DocinProgress said, it's the Military program for medical school. There is an entire section on here for military medicine if you're interested in it (or maybe you just wanted to konw what it stood for).
 
Yea, it's a program worth a lot of money, but if you're interested in it, think long and hard about it. Don't let the recruiters sucker you into doing something you don't really want to do.

Up front, it's worth a lot of money. You get a $20,000 signing bonus (maybe navy only, but navy def. does it) and like $1200 a month while you're in medical school (taxable income).

They also pay all 4 years tuition and books expenses. Overall you're looking at probably around $257,000 that they're giving you...even more if you factor in the cost it takes to pay back loans. Say more likely closer to $350,000 or so when it's all said and done.

Now...that's a lot of money, but...remember you'll owe 4 years to the army. Let's say you do anesthesiology and wen you finish residency you can get an anesthesiology job for $250,000 a year (not too unrealistic, may even be higher). Now, you owe 4 years to the army at military pay. I'm not positive, but in the military you'd probably be making around 90k a year as an anesthesiologist. Over 4 years, that's about a $640,000 difference, so not joining the army will actually give you almost $300,000 more in your pocket eventually. On top of that, you don't have to worry about serving tours of duty where they can pull you away from your family for up to 18 months at a time. That's a pretty big burden in my opinion unless you're a true military person and you have always wanted to serve in the military. IMHO, if you've never wanted to serve in the military but are lured by the promise of money up front, don't take it. Sure you'll struggle for a few years, but it will be worth it in the end. If you've never really wanted to be in the military, taking the scholarship is as if you're selling your soul.

Also...if by some chance you DON'T finish medical school (not unlikely considering the retention rate is rather low compared to some places), you'll owe your military time...so if you get through a year and a half, leave for whatever reason...you'll owe 2 years to the army as a regular military person...not a doctor...that is another thing to keep in mind.
 
gobiggreen said:
Yea, it's a program worth a lot of money, but if you're interested in it, think long and hard about it. Don't let the recruiters sucker you into doing something you don't really want to do.

Up front, it's worth a lot of money. You get a $20,000 signing bonus (maybe navy only, but navy def. does it) and like $1200 a month while you're in medical school (taxable income).

They also pay all 4 years tuition and books expenses. Overall you're looking at probably around $257,000 that they're giving you...even more if you factor in the cost it takes to pay back loans. Say more likely closer to $350,000 or so when it's all said and done.

Now...that's a lot of money, but...remember you'll owe 4 years to the army. Let's say you do anesthesiology and wen you finish residency you can get an anesthesiology job for $250,000 a year (not too unrealistic, may even be higher). Now, you owe 4 years to the army at military pay. I'm not positive, but in the military you'd probably be making around 90k a year as an anesthesiologist. Over 4 years, that's about a $640,000 difference, so not joining the army will actually give you almost $300,000 more in your pocket eventually. On top of that, you don't have to worry about serving tours of duty where they can pull you away from your family for up to 18 months at a time. That's a pretty big burden in my opinion unless you're a true military person and you have always wanted to serve in the military. IMHO, if you've never wanted to serve in the military but are lured by the promise of money up front, don't take it. Sure you'll struggle for a few years, but it will be worth it in the end. If you've never really wanted to be in the military, taking the scholarship is as if you're selling your soul.

Also...if by some chance you DON'T finish medical school (not unlikely considering the retention rate is rather low compared to some places), you'll owe your military time...so if you get through a year and a half, leave for whatever reason...you'll owe 2 years to the army as a regular military person...not a doctor...that is another thing to keep in mind.
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The numbers are a little off, but this is pretty much the best advice. My fiance is in the program, and he likes it thus far. The monthly stipend is currently 1600, and is approved to go to 1900 in july, but may not, if it's not in their budget. The army just started also doing the $20,000 signing bonus, but with this, the commitment is different (i believe you owe active reserve time rather than inactive reserve time after your active years, something like that). Yeah, it's a lot of money, but it's not worth it unless you want to be in the military. You will most likely get deployed (no matter who is in office), you are delayed in settling down and setting up a practice, etc. It's not like undergrad ROTC where you graduate at 21, and have finished you're time by 25, and can then start your life. If you do HPSP, you're going to be around 35 or older when you've finished your commitment (depending on when you start school). Also, what a lot of people don't realize, is that if you want to do a specialty that takes more than 4 years of residency, you owe back equivilant of that in active duty when you're done. So if you do a 5 or 6 year residency, you then owe 5 or 6 years active. THat's 10-12 years post school.
It is true that you don't make as much as an attending, because you get paid based on rank, but specialty is definitely factored in. 90 is a little low of a guess... the numbers i've heard are ~110 for primary care. You also make more as a resident, ~60-70 with all the extra stuff added in.
When it comes down to it, the Military is the Military... and if you don't like that, don't do it, if you do, it's a good opportunity.
 
Gobi and Kate are right. I was seriously considering it last year and the best advice i received is only take the scholarship if you want to be a military doctor. NOT because you want to save money. You will be able to pay back your loans, hundred of thousands of doctors have done it before us and they will do it after us. I ended up not doing it and for me I think I made the right decision. I am not cut out for the military and never will be, doctor or not.
 
Yea, I hope I didn't sound to negative, but those points are exactly correct. If you've always wanted to be in the military or take a military scholarship, it's an amazing deal, but if you're looking for some money, it's likely the wrong decision. You'll be able to pay off the loans eventually.

One other option to consider...

http://nhsc.bhpr.hrsa.gov/join_us/scholarships.asp

The national health service corps scholarship. It's similar to the military scholarship in the sense that you get a monthly stipend and all expenses paid for.

Only apply if you know you want to go into primary care though. You have to work in an underserved area and make a bit less money for a few years but if you know you want to do primary care and give back a little it's not such a bad idea. By the way...areas in hawaii are considered underserved areas...so are areas in the bronx. It's not like you'll necessarily be working on a reservation. You have some choice in the area you work.

It's a difficult thing to attain though. Only a small % of applicants get the funding for it and it's a rather random process I believe. It's pretty much the only other option out there for free medical school aside from the military.
 
PeeWee137 said:
or become a fellow and get half of medical school for free...
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ahhh... another common misconception. 🙂 Although you are saving some money, you don't get your living expenses covered, so you are taking out an extra year of living expenses (5 total, instead of 4), and the whole "you're delaying your working time a year, so you're losing that money" argument.
 
KateGia said:
"you're delaying your working time a year, so you're losing that money"
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with the way student loans are now, its in your best interest to borrow as little as possible. the "delaying your working time" argument doesnt hold water anymore. i'd much rather be 100k in the hole than 240k, regardless of my salary after i finish residency.
 
PeeWee137 said:
with the way student loans are now, its in your best interest to borrow as little as possible. the "delaying your working time" argument doesnt hold water anymore. i'd much rather be 100k in the hole than 240k, regardless of my salary after i finish residency.
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But it wouldn't be 100 vs 240... you figure with tuition rising, tuition alone is around 45/yr. Then you take out 25/yr in grad plus for living. that's 280 for 4 years. if you do the fellowship, its 45 for 2 years, and 25 for 5 years, that 215. You're saving 65k, which is a lot, but it's not 140k, and it's an extra year of interest that you're not paying back yet, which is also a lot of money. It doesn't end up saving you all that much, and it's an extra year. It's another situation where the opportunity is an awesome one IF YOU WANT TO BE A FELLOW, but not worth it just for the money.
 
What do you mean "the way student loans are now?"

The truth is, with the high rates of inflation and the relatively low interest rates on these loans, it's almost interest free in the long term.

Did something happen to student loans I don't know of?

Also...yes, if you want to be a fellow, it's great, but you don't save that much in the long term. Another thing to factor in mostly for the class of 2012, is that Hofstra is opening a medical school. They have a partnership with North Shore LIJ. They are set to open in 2010 meaning a 2014 graduation date...now...if class of 2012 delays graduating till 2013...does this mean their may be limited rotations on Long Island for them? I don't know, but it's a possibility.

It's a similar situation for nycom class of 2010. If we did fellowship, we'd be competing with TOURO Harlem directly for osteopathic residencies.

Personally, I'll take 4 years of med school rather than 5 years. If you want to do a fellowship it's a great opportunity, but otherwise, it's not smart to pick it to simply save money.

And another tidbit...if you are that concerned about money either a) you may want to reconsider medicine because doctor salaries keep dropping and more healthcare reforms set to come are going to just make it worse. b) if you really want to be a doctor and are still really concerned about money, work your butt off in school and match into something like radiology or orthopedic surgery or derm which all still make significant amounts of cash.
 
A side note, slightly related:

In terms of your 100k in the hole vs. 240k in the hole regardless of your residency, that doesn't hold much water.

If you're concerned about money, wouldn't you rather be 240k in the hole after radiology than 100k in the hole after say pediatrics? pediatricians only make around 115k nowadays. paying off $2000 a month for 10 years on a 115k salary is a huge burden. Paying off 4000 a month for 10 years on a 500k salary sucks, but you'll still live like a king.

Unfortunately, this is what sucks about medicine today. After the cost of attending medical school, it's just very difficult to live comfortably working in primary care while choosing a specialty can help take you out of debt much faster. By the way, with interest and stuff, if you do something like radiology, you can probably pay all your loans off in 2 years while the primary care guy can't do it for 10 and will pay almost as much interest.

Just something to think about.
 
friolenta said:
Does anyone have any idea how difficult it is to get into the DPC program or when they notify you if you are accepted? Thank you for your response!!
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former - Dr Elkowitz mentioned during our class mtg the other day that for the upcoming 1st yrs, its more competitive than usual
latter - sorry, dunno
 
Aatif Tirmizi said:
What did Dr. E mean by that. Did he mean the upcoming 1st years are a more competitive class or that we are screwed because of the greater competition out there?
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dont mean to freak anyone out; he mentioned the possibility of expanding the dpc program to include more students
check your pm
 
Do any of you know whether the DPC program has set meeting times? I've also heard that DPC students end up spending much more time in school. Is that true?
Studying in medical school will probably end up consuming all my time, I just don't want to be tied down to never ending group meetings.
 
newyorker2008 said:
Do any of you know whether the DPC program has set meeting times? I've also heard that DPC students end up spending much more time in school. Is that true?
Studying in medical school will probably end up consuming all my time, I just don't want to be tied down to never ending group meetings.
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1. Group times:
2nd yr: MWF 1-3
1st yr: MWF 3-5

2. Depends on where you study i guess. other things that may take up your time include icc/standardized pts, problem sets, clinical skills, & clinical practicum (shadowing).
 
Most of you should not consider doing DPC, no offense to the people who are in it. The lecture set up is good enough (and alot of it is clinical despite what you think) and you can stream everything so you won't have to worry for tests. You won't need any books for lecture except for anatomy, I kid you not! Now for studying boards that's a different story but, for class you need none. I don't think NYCOM has any stats for the people in dpc vs lecture for long-term board rates. Besides the majority of you have done lecture throughout college, and med school is not the time to start something new with all the work you gotta do. I don't know about you, but why would you want to do DPC where you have to write essays about medicine lol? I know the people in DPC luv it, and will probably shoot me for writing this but it's just my opinion 🙂 Leave me a pm if you have questions and need help. I started out school doing badly and I hated it. Now I do great 🙂 I will give you the tricks and tips of the trade......
 
newyorker2008 said:
Do any of you know whether the DPC program has set meeting times? I've also heard that DPC students end up spending much more time in school. Is that true?
Studying in medical school will probably end up consuming all my time, I just don't want to be tied down to never ending group meetings.
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You may have heard that before NYCOM started mandatory attendance, because if you were in lecture, pretty much the only time you had to be here was for lab and tests, but for dpc, they had to be here 3 days a week for 2 hrs, plus labs and tests. Once mandatory attendance started, Lecture people had to be there all the time, and DPC's "required" hours were much less than ours.
Many of the DPC students, however, study in the DPC suites, so they are at school all day, just like us lecture kids. How much you are here really depends on you.
 
Do you 2nd years still have the ez-pass? Anyone who has pmed me I'll get back to you after tomorrow. We got a heme/immuno test 🙁
 
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