Official 2015-2016 Rank List Thread

[Radiologyreviews2015]

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Thought it would be nice to start up this thread for people who want to anonymously post their rank lists I will start it off:

UCLA
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
BWH
Penn
Hopkins
MIR

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Thought it would be nice to start up this thread for people who want to anonymously post their rank lists I will start it off:

UCLA
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
BWH
Penn
Hopkins
MIR

Are u ranking in that order?

 

[futureradres12345]

Thought it would be nice to start up this thread for people who want to anonymously post their rank lists I will start it off:

UCLA
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
BWH
Penn
Hopkins
MIR

Lol, don't you mean "look at all my shiny interviews I got?"

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Are u ranking in that order?

yes that order

Lol, don't you mean "look at all my shiny interviews I got?"

no I honestly was looking at a similar thread from a couple years ago and thought it would be good for others to post and share their rank lists, sometimes you would be surprised by the order since location plays a huge role

 

[rufaterd]

I think most people wait to post their specific ranking after the ROLs are due. I wouldn't be surprised if other people's rank lists influence each person's rank list. Not that it should.. it's like how the stock market works.

 

[futureradres12345]

yes that order


no I honestly was looking at a similar thread from a couple years ago and thought it would be good for others to post and share their rank lists, sometimes you would be surprised by the order since location plays a huge role

Ok, care to elaborate on why you ranked them how you did? I agree it is interesting to see how people rank programs, but without context or explanation it is just an arbitrary list of very prestigious schools. Also, including some basic stats about yourself as an applicant (approximate school ranking, class rank, step scores, research) could help future applicants know where they stand and help them decide where to apply.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I'll do one...

USMLE: 256/268
Class Rank: 1/162
Research: 5 "experiences", 3 posters, 1 abstract, 0 pubs
Clinical Grades: all Honors

Rank List:
1. CCF
2. UPMC
3. Dartmouth
4. Penn State
5. Yale
6. UF-Gainesville
7. USF
8. Beaumont
9. Nebraska
10. UF-Jacksonville

Rejections: MIR, Mayo, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, MCW, Wisconsin, Case-UH, UAB, MGH, BWH, NW, Loyola, Rush

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

any list published before 2/24 is suspect.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I'll do one...

USMLE: 256/268
Class Rank: 1/162
Research: 5 "experiences", 3 posters, 1 abstract, 0 pubs
Clinical Grades: all Honors

Rank List:
1. CCF
2. UPMC
3. Dartmouth
4. Penn State
5. Yale
6. UF-Gainesville
7. USF
8. Beaumont
9. Nebraska
10. UF-Jacksonville

Rejections: MIR, Mayo, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, MCW, Wisconsin, Case-UH, UAB, MGH, BWH, NW, Loyola, Rush

With your scores, i'm surprised you didn't get interviews at a lot of those programs. Random I guess hmm?

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

With your scores, i'm surprised you didn't get interviews at a lot of those programs. Random I guess hmm?

No, those rejections were brought to me by the letters D and O.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I'll do one...

USMLE: 256/268
Class Rank: 1/162
Research: 5 "experiences", 3 posters, 1 abstract, 0 pubs
Clinical Grades: all Honors

Rank List:
1. CCF
2. UPMC
3. Dartmouth
4. Penn State
5. Yale
6. UF-Gainesville
7. USF
8. Beaumont
9. Nebraska
10. UF-Jacksonville

Rejections: MIR, Mayo, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, MCW, Wisconsin, Case-UH, UAB, MGH, BWH, NW, Loyola, Rush

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't understand some of those rejections with your stats.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't understand some of those rejections with your stats.

He said he was a DO applicant. The stigma is unfortunate and hopefully will change in the future.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

He said he was a DO applicant. The stigma is unfortunate and hopefully will change in the future.

Wow that's pretty crazy. Had heard about the stigma but never seen data (even anecdotal stats) backing it up.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Thought it would be nice to start up this thread for people who want to anonymously post their rank lists I will start it off:

UCLA
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
BWH
Penn
Hopkins
MIR

Will post rank list after match. Applied to 5 of these places. Interviewed at 3 and rejected from 2. Ranking 2 of those 3 very low due to location/other important issues. I wish I applied to MIR, in retrospect. Both Steps in upper 240s, but multiple basic science publications.

 

[rufaterd]

No, those rejections were brought to me by the letters D and O.

That's messed up. Assuming you're MSPE and LORs are fine, hope you get your first choice.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

That's messed up. Assuming you're MSPE and LORs are fine, hope you get your first choice.

No red flags on my app in any way. Great LORs (as far as I know).

CCF and UPMC are the pinnacle of what a DO can get in rads it seems. Someday it may change.

I liked CCF a lot and I hope I get it! Everyone on AM and SDN seems to "poo poo" CCF a lot but it seemed like a great place with unlimited resources and amazing education/lectures. I guess they mostly say it's not as good because "they have a lot of IMGs and DOs there." Guess I hope I'm adding to that??? Haha

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

May I suggest the following format so we don't have to wonder if future posters are DOs or not?

Applicant type: Senior in a US allopathic medical school
USMLE Step 1 score:
USMLE Step 2CK score:
Number of research experiences:
Number of abstracts, presentations, and publications:
Number of work experiences:
Number of volunteer experiences:
AOA: yes/no
Student/graduate of one of the 40 US medical schools with the highest NIH funding: yes/no
PhD: yes/no
Other graduate degree: yes/no

Rank list:
Interview invitations:
Applied but did not receive interview invitation:

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

No red flags on my app in any way. Great LORs (as far as I know).

CCF and UPMC are the pinnacle of what a DO can get in rads it seems. Someday it may change.

I liked CCF a lot and I hope I get it! Everyone on AM and SDN seems to "poo poo" CCF a lot but it seemed like a great place with unlimited resources and amazing education/lectures. I guess they mostly say it's not as good because "they have a lot of IMGs and DOs there." Guess I hope I'm adding to that??? Haha

I am an IMG MD with stats far inferior to yours and I received interviews at 2 of the places that rejected you and only one from the places that you ranked. Funny how that works. I did happen to interview with a DO at one of those 2 locations though.

Good luck to you!

 

[qwerty89]

I'll do one...

USMLE: 256/268
Class Rank: 1/162
Research: 5 "experiences", 3 posters, 1 abstract, 0 pubs
Clinical Grades: all Honors

Rank List:
1. CCF
2. UPMC
3. Dartmouth
4. Penn State
5. Yale
6. UF-Gainesville
7. USF
8. Beaumont
9. Nebraska
10. UF-Jacksonville

Rejections: MIR, Mayo, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, MCW, Wisconsin, Case-UH, UAB, MGH, BWH, NW, Loyola, Rush

Honestly, you should post this in the Pre-Osteo forum to give a concrete example to those premeds that deny there is a significant bias.

MCW I know does not take DOs. This despite filling 5/8 two years ago and only 2/8 last year pre-SOAP.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

When I was interviewing at MCW there was an IMG and a DO interviewing.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Thought it would be nice to start up this thread for people who want to anonymously post their rank lists I will start it off:

UCLA
Stanford
UCSF
UCSD
BWH
Penn
Hopkins
MIR

What made you choose UCLA over the other 3 cali programs (I assume location played a role, but was wondering if anything else stood out)? Debating between Stanford and UCLA at the moment. Thanks, and congrats!

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

What made you choose UCLA over the other 3 cali programs (I assume location played a role, but was wondering if anything else stood out)? Debating between Stanford and UCLA at the moment. Thanks, and congrats!

Mainly location, LA is an awesome place to live, especially as a resident at UCLA living in West LA. Also, IR is top notch at UCLA and Stanford. My only issue with SF is that for the amount of money you are spending on housing/cost of living you would expect to get a nice relatively modern apt but instead you are getting an outdated building with poor infrastructure. In LA, you can get a nice place for that kind of money.

 

[qwerty89]

When I was interviewing at MCW there was an IMG and a DO interviewing.

Well then I guess they changed their policy. Must have been a very recent change.

 

[LittleriRich]

While MCW did not interview DOs in the past, DOs were interviewd this year.

Honestly, you should post this in the Pre-Osteo forum to give a concrete example to those premeds that deny there is a significant bias.

MCW I know does not take DOs. This despite filling 5/8 two years ago and only 2/8 last year pre-SOAP.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Mainly location, LA is an awesome place to live, especially as a resident at UCLA living in West LA. Also, IR is top notch at UCLA and Stanford. My only issue with SF is that for the amount of money you are spending on housing/cost of living you would expect to get a nice relatively modern apt but instead you are getting an outdated building with poor infrastructure. In LA, you can get a nice place for that kind of money.

I agree with this. I can deal with the dilapidated infrastructure in SF, but I just did not see the hoopla about the city. LA is a much better city.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

I agree with this. I can deal with the dilapidated infrastructure in SF, but I just did not see the hoopla about the city. LA is a much better city.

Though LA might be a better city, i wouldnt pass up an opportunity to train at places like UCSF or Stanford unless u have specific ties to LA. Those names stay with you forever. Dont get me wrong, UCLA or UCSD are great names too, but if u dont have ties to any location, id go with the program that will open the most doors.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Though LA might be a better city, i wouldnt pass up an opportunity to train at places like UCSF or Stanford unless u have specific ties to LA. Those names stay with you forever. Dont get me wrong, UCLA or UCSD are great names too, but if u dont have ties to any location, id go with the program that will open the most doors.

I agree. UCSF is elite.

 

[AlexMorph]

No, those rejections were brought to me by the letters D and O.

That's bull****. You deserve better. Good luck in the match.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Though LA might be a better city, i wouldnt pass up an opportunity to train at places like UCSF or Stanford unless u have specific ties to LA. Those names stay with you forever. Dont get me wrong, UCLA or UCSD are great names too, but if u dont have ties to any location, id go with the program that will open the most doors.

Go with UCSF! Most people could only dream of going there. UCLA is an awesome place too, but if you don't have any ties to LA, than it seems like a no brainer. The UCSF or Harvard name will open a lot of doors.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

That's what I've been saying too but these guys don't care.

 

[futureradres12345]

Not everyone has the same goals. Some people want that prestige of a top name on their resume and some people just want to go where they will be happiest. It may be an obvious decision in your mind, but that doesn't make it so for others.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Though LA might be a better city, i wouldnt pass up an opportunity to train at places like UCSF or Stanford unless u have specific ties to LA. Those names stay with you forever. Dont get me wrong, UCLA or UCSD are great names too, but if u dont have ties to any location, id go with the program that will open the most doors.

Not everyone is a prestige gunner. Look through the attendings at Stanford or UCSF. Some of them trained at other less prestigious places. I don't think the drop-off between UCLA and UCSF is large, and I feel the training will be equivalent. In my mind, I consider both programs (UCLA and UCSF) equivalent. How good of a radiologist one becomes will depend on his/her own own effort. I interviewed at both Stanford and UCSF, but I will most likely rank programs with lower prestige ahead of these two. I don't judge my value based on some arbitrary USNews or ranking metric. If training at a very prestigious place makes you happy, then by all means rank accordingly.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Keeping it vague by using the same categories as in the Charting Outcomes report...

Applicant type: Senior in a US allopathic medical school
USMLE Step 1 score: 260+
USMLE Step 2CK score: 260+
Number of research experiences: 5 or more
Number of abstracts, presentations, and publications: 5 or more
AOA: yes
Student/graduate of one of the 40 US medical schools with the highest NIH funding: yes
PhD: no
Other graduate degree: no

Rank list:
UCSF
MGH
Stanford
BWH
Michigan
MIR
HUP
Emory
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Duke
Cornell
NYU
UTSW
Columbia
Jefferson
Mayo
UVA
Pennsy

Interview invitations: above plus Pitt, Baylor, Utah, Iowa, UCSD, BIDMC, Henry Ford, U Washington, Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Minnesota, UNC, OHSU, UT Houston, Yale
Applied but did not receive interview invitation: USC, Ohio State, Northwestern, Indiana, Cincinnati

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Not everyone is a prestige gunner. Look through the attendings at Stanford or UCSF. Some of them trained at other less prestigious places. I don't think the drop-off between UCLA and UCSF is large, and I feel the training will be equivalent. In my mind, I consider both programs (UCLA and UCSF) equivalent. How good of a radiologist one becomes will depend on his/her own own effort. I interviewed at both Stanford and UCSF, but I will most likely rank programs with lower prestige ahead of these two. I don't judge my value based on some arbitrary USNews or ranking metric. If training at a very prestigious place makes you happy, then by all means rank accordingly.

Agreed, people get way too caught up in the prestige hype train. I too interviewed at UCSF and Stanford and will be putting UCLA and USC higher. The fact of the matter is, if you want to end up in Southern California training at UCLA or USC gives you a much higher chance of getting a job down there. The one thing I felt I took out of the interview trail was that I'll essentially get good training at any program (maybe not so much community programs, but meh). I'll primarily be basing my rank list off location and the resident/attending interactions

 

[PL198]

Keeping it vague by using the same categories as in the Charting Outcomes report...

Applicant type: Senior in a US allopathic medical school
USMLE Step 1 score: 260+
USMLE Step 2CK score: 260+
Number of research experiences: 5 or more
Number of abstracts, presentations, and publications: 5 or more
Number of work experiences: 3
Number of volunteer experiences: 8
AOA: yes
Student/graduate of one of the 40 US medical schools with the highest NIH funding: yes
PhD: no
Other graduate degree: no

Rank list:
UCSF
MGH
Stanford
BWH
Michigan
MIR
HUP
Emory
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Duke
Cornell
NYU
UTSW
Columbia
Jefferson
Mayo
UVA
Pennsy

Interview invitations: above plus Pitt, Baylor, Utah, Iowa, UCSD, BIDMC, Henry Ford, U Washington, Hopkins, Cleveland Clinic, Minnesota, UNC, OHSU, UT Houston, Yale
Applied but did not receive interview invitation: USC, Ohio State, Northwestern, Indiana, Cincinnati

you interviewed at 19 places?

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

you interviewed at 19 places?

more but not ranking all

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Another one, strong geographic constraints

Applicant type: Senior in a US allopathic medical school
USMLE Step 1 score: low 260
USMLE Step 2CK score: high 260
AOA: yes
Student/graduate of one of the 40 US medical schools with the highest NIH funding: yes

Rank list:
NYU
HUP
Cornell
Columbia
MGH
Hopkins
BWH
Yale
Montefiore
Mount Sinai

Other interview invites: Brown, Jacobi
Waitlist: BID
Silent rejection: pennsy

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Agreed, people get way too caught up in the prestige hype train. I too interviewed at UCSF and Stanford and will be putting UCLA and USC higher. The fact of the matter is, if you want to end up in Southern California training at UCLA or USC gives you a much higher chance of getting a job down there. The one thing I felt I took out of the interview trail was that I'll essentially get good training at any program (maybe not so much community programs, but meh). I'll primarily be basing my rank list off location and the resident/attending interactions

Good luck basing it off something subjective and with low sample size. This is like grading baseball players off look. Have you seen Moneyball?

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Another one

Applicant type: US allopathic
USMLE Step 1 score: 260s
USMLE Step 2CK score: 270s
Number of research experiences: multiple
Number of abstracts, presentations, and publications: multiple
AOA: no
Student/graduate of one of the 40 US medical schools with the highest NIH funding: yes
PhD: no
Other graduate degree: no

Rank list:
BWH
Stanford
UCLA
UCSD
UPenn
Hopkins
Cornell

Other interviews: MIR, Northwestern, Mayo, BIDMC, Jefferson, Wisconsin, UPMC
Rejections: UCSF, MGH, UW, NYU, Duke

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Youd be a fool to drop the top programs on the rank: mgh, ucsf, stanford for a lesser program in a desirable location when its already very tight in the job market already. Especially when most people go into private practice and those hiring are looking for top pedigrees cause they know they are in a competive area

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

If you want to work in the Southeast, it makes sense to rank Emory over Stanford or UCSF. I'm personally ranking Penn > NYU > UCSF > Stanford. I might even rank Emory over Stanford or UCSF since I have little desire to stay in the West coast long-term. The program I regret not applying to is UCLA. LA >>> SF.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

If anything, this thread makes me happy to see that some people have preferences different than my own because, if you understand how the match works, you know that people having different top ranks but the same programs overall is the best way to see whether you might get your own top ranks (without seeing the program's rank list of course).

Top 4
UCSF
UCSD
Stanford
UCLA

Others (in no particular order): MIR, UW, NYU, Cornell, Duke, Michigan, BWH, MGH, Emory
Offered interview but declined: Hopkins, Penn, BID, Wisconsin, Jefferson, Columbia, UVA

Not sure why everyone chalks up UCSF to just prestige. Yes I thought the program and people were great, but SF also seemed like a great place to live...all the big city amenities + lots of outdoor recreation close by. If you are ok with having a roommate and you consider the housing stipend, the cost of living issue is nearly comparable to many other big cities.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

What were people's impression of Stanford? I was feeling really under the weather on my interview day, so I couldn't really evaluate the program as well as I hoped to... but there's a chance I may rank it #1 or #2 (pending more input from my significant other)

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

this whole thread

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Stanford is a great program.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

Applicant type: US allopathic
USMLE Step 1 score: 280+
USMLE Step 2CK score: 280+
Number of abstracts, presentations, and publications: stopped counting
AOA: who goes into radiology without being one?
Student/graduate of one of the 40 US medical schools with the highest NIH funding: yes
PhD: twice
Other graduate degree: no

Rank list:
Caltech Institute of Quantum Radiology

Pasadena, anyone?

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

question: I want to do IR for sure and got interviews at the IR residency programs but none are location wise where I want to go, i was wondering if you thought I would be stupid not to rank those programs as high and risk an IR spot for desirable DR spot in NY and fellowship (or internally filling an IR position if they are accepted for the residency). I have always wanted to travel the US and do a prelim on the west coast and DR in a big city on the east coast because I'll never get this opportunity being single traveling around a little but I did interview at the top IR residency programs and feel stupid if I don't take my opportunity for that.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

How sure are you on IR? It is a field with a surgical lifestyle, a commitment. It will also depend on if the IR fellowship is closed or closing by the time you get to R3. Does the desirable DR program have a good IR program where you can potentially switch into.

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

So im 100 percent sure on IR and the program I applied to has a good IR program just not the best in the country and the program I might rank one just turned in their papers for the IR residency and allow you to switch into it (not guaranteed)

 

[Radiologyreviews2015]

So im 100 percent sure on IR and the program I applied to has a good IR program just not the best in the country and the program I might rank one just turned in their papers for the IR residency and allow you to switch into it (not guaranteed)

Also, if I did IR at one of the top residencies for IR could I find a job anywhere or should I rank on location and hope I can transfer into their IR or just apply for fellowship (I am doing IR no matter what)