gunna ask this again with some more details about my goals/interests/details about the programs since i didnt get any responses the first time and also based on what ppl have written above:
anyone have any thoughts on mt sinai vs nyu?
im interested in adolescent psychiatry/teen mental health and doing inpatient work with adolescents in the future. got an mph during medical school so hoping to work with public health stuff in the future in addition to practicing - likely with teen mental health programs/education.
my current thoughts: bellevue seems like it would be a great place to train for both of those and you'd see so much - especially since they have a separate unit for teens and children, and even a public school in the hospital for teens, as well as a separate child psych ED which is rare but nyu residents seem more stressed/overworked. they also seem to be a bit forensics heavy, which is not really for me. from my impression, the residents at mt sinai seemed pretty happy and kinda more chill. mt sinai also seems to have good options for CAP training, with some partial hospital programs and adolescent outpatient clinics you could rotate at. and i like how mt sinai gives you a lot of elective time and more opportunities to explore your interests. also a fan of their emphasis on didactics/learning as a main goal.
meanwhile while nyu seemed much more structured from what i could tell with more call/less elective time, and overall more of a working and less of a learning program (some residents said they couldnt go to didactics sometimes bc they had to finish up work on the floors - so didactics is not really protected time...). meanwhile sinai specifically said they were the opposite with didactics always bein
Hi, you described your impressions of the two programs and your interests and goals really well, but it’s still hard to answer your question.
Based on what I picked up while being a med student in NYC, conversations with psychiatry residents at NYC programs and what I remember from my interviews, my overall impression of these two programs mirrors yours. Basically, NYU has a well established track of strong training with notable opportunities for working with underserved, severe mental illness, forensic population. Their child training is also much stronger than that of an average general psychiatry program. But it’s true that their residents are some of the most overworked and miserable (aside from the frankly malignant sweatshop programs). On the other hand, MtSinai residents are indeed some of the happiest, and their workload is on the lower end among the NYC programs (along with Einstein and MtSinai-Beth Israel); basically, NYU and MtSinai residents are on the opposite ends of the exhaustion spectrum. And... how should I put it... I was thoroughly impressed by MtSinai research track; they’re really putting a lot of money and effort to become *the* neuroscience/psychiatry research center in NYC. But I was not nearly as impressed by their clinical training, including the concerns about large parts of training being at the VA. Regarding child, there is only one child inpatient unit in the MtSinai system, and it’s at St. Luke’s. From what I remember (correct me if I’m wrong), MtSinai-main residents don’t routinely rotate there, but I don’t know if you could arrange an elective - something you could ask the program.
I wrote so much without really telling you anything useful. Bottom line is, at least from my point of view, your perception of the programs reflects the reality and is fairly nuanced, and I don’t know if any new pieces of information about the programs would be helpful in making your decision. Basically, you need to be honest with yourself and decide if you’re resilient and ambitious enough to go through the grind to get a stronger training and a broader experience at NYU, or if you would prefer to have more time and energy to figure out your own career path at MtSinai. Both are reasonable options but only you can decide which one is right for you. And just to make it clear, by saying I was not quite impressed by the clinical training at MtSinai I don’t mean that it’s poor, just not on par with the other top NYC programs and a far cry from their awesome research program. In any case, completing your residency at MtSinai will most definitely not close any doors for you.
g protected, even on off-service rotations, which i think is pretty awesome. in regards to sinai though, not sure about how i feel about doing 6 straight months full time at the VA 2nd year which mt sinai makes you do. they seem to be kinda va heavy in general which im not really that excited about...
thoughts anyone?
Yea I figured it would likely come down to me having to decide personally which is a better fit for me...guess I have some thinking to do in the next few weeks!
