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Yes-- at my school we had at least 10-15% apply psych. I think it's a combination of societal factors (student advocacy + just think about all the students who openly utilize mental health services who no longer feel the need to hide it + attribute their success to great psychiatric care), increased prestige of psychiatry, general ease of entrance relative to other specialties (which could kill you in the process of training) and to that end great lifestyle, good work prospects (you can live anywhere you want really and still find work), feasibility of private practice and advances in the field (there are breakthroughs on the horizon which are more interesting than a hip new... hip technology (see ortho)). Glad to see it.Is psych becoming more and more popular? I see several people from top schools going into psych.
Maybe. But only 2 Ophtho, 2 ENT, and only 4 DR? Low numbers. (But they did well in Derm and Uro)
Makes one wonder if there were some unmatched people at Univ of Washington who had to take Prelim years.
Very interesting, thanks. So their residency programs in the competitive fields have a national reputation and typically won’t take their own medical students. I think that’s important information for some people.UW is a weird school, so it's hard to read into their match list too much. First, as a class composite, there is heavy selection for primary care, rural, and underserved focused students. Academic requirements for admission are less stringent as a result (think 3.0 GPAs and 500 MCAT scores), and many students are perfectly happy with primary care or lower competitive specialties. Second, a large portion of the school (probably the majority) grew up in areas with a total population under 250k. Some of them have no interest in going to a larger city for residency.
Out of the students who try to match well, the reputation of the school usually carries them well enough. I've seen statistics that for any given specialty, the average step 1 score for students who fail to match their preferred specialty are about 10-15 points lower than national average (implying that some students with low scores still match, probably because of the school's reputation).
This year, there were 28 prelim matches (you can assume about 15-20 of those were for categorical PGY-2 prelim years). That means anywhere from 3-5 percent matched only prelim years (which isn't great, but isn't terrible given the class composition.)
With all that being said, I know students who failed to match neurosurg, ortho, vascular, ENT etc. with relatively decent CV's over the last couple years. I have no idea what percentage this is in total. There are certainly parts of UW that are parallel to top medical schools. One of the big problems are that many of the residency programs are too competitive for home students, which can make matching difficult for an average student. There also isn't a ton of loyalty to home students.
It's almost like there are two distinct schools at UWSOM. There is the local, rural, primary care, underserved, and state school side that is the main reason many students chose UW. Then there is the academic, specialty-focused cohort of students that chose UW because of its academic resources and reputation. In general, the school is able to provide adequate resources for both types of students.
Compare NYU’s match list to Cornell, I think you’ll find more highly ranked programs getting matched by NYU.Yep. In NYC, until NYU became tuition free, it was always Columbia and Cornell>NYU. I freely admit I would have gone to Columbia or Cornell over NYU if I had gotten off their waitlists.
Cornell’s last year’s list is definitely comparable to NYU… not seeing this year’s list.Compare NYU’s match list to Cornell, I think you’ll find more highly ranked programs getting matched by NYU.
tbh, student strength is so overrated. It’s mostly schools resources that will help you get into competitive fields. Med school admission is so competitive to begin with. The only thing free tuition did is increase the MCAT average by a few points, and in the grand scheme of things, 519 and 522 average really doesn’t mean the student quality is higher… one mistake people make is that they keep assuming t5 students are better than others. I will say definitely no. People who end up at a t5 vs say a t20 or even t50 are almost entirely due to luck.This NYU 2022 match list demonstrates increased strength for NYUs matches and is the last match by NYU students who matriculated without knowledge of free tuition. This class was arriving on campus when it was announced (Aug 2018). Since then, admission to NYU Grossman got even more challenging with even greater success matriculating students that previously would likely have attended a different T5.
They will post it eventually anywayI’m a matriculating student into Cornell, am I allowed to post their match list?
Edit: Not that I actually have it or anything, just theoretically 👀
MCAT scores tend to be predictive of Step 1 and Step 2 scores. I bet we will see a rise in NYUs in the upcoming 2-3 years. Step scores are also predictive of match strength for individuals. Of course lower programs can have highly successful matches occur, but as a whole student strength (gpa/mcat) turns out to be predictive for match strength.tbh, student strength is so overrated. It’s mostly schools resources that will help you get into competitive fields. Med school admission is so competitive to begin with. The only thing free tuition did is increase the MCAT average by a few points, and in the grand scheme of things, 519 and 522 average really doesn’t mean the student quality is higher… one mistake people make is that they keep assuming t5 students are better than others. I will say definitely no. People who end up at a t5 vs say a t20 or even t50 are almost entirely due to luck.
MCAT scores have very poor predictive value of steps. You can google and find a document. The only noticeable difference is for people who scored 524+. The rest is practically all overlapping. A good application to residency program is so much more than your steps, which are really just a screener. LOR’s and research output are the ones that separate a ranked vs unranked candidate. And those mainly come from school’s resources.MCAT scores tend to be predictive of Step 1 and Step 2 scores. I bet we will see a rise in NYUs in the upcoming 2-3 years. Step scores are also predictive of match strength for individuals. Of course lower programs can have highly successful matches occur, but as a whole student strength (gpa/mcat) turns out to be predictive for match strength.
This NYU 2022 match list demonstrates increased strength for NYUs matches and is the last match by NYU students who matriculated without knowledge of free tuition. This class was arriving on campus when it was announced (Aug 2018). Since then, admission to NYU Grossman got even more challenging with even greater success matriculating students that previously would likely have attended a different T5.
I’m a matriculating student into Cornell, am I allowed to post their match list?
Edit: Not that I actually have it or anything, just theoretically 👀
tbh, student strength is so overrated. It’s mostly schools resources that will help you get into competitive fields. Med school admission is so competitive to begin with. The only thing free tuition did is increase the MCAT average by a few points, and in the grand scheme of things, 519 and 522 average really doesn’t mean the student quality is higher… one mistake people make is that they keep assuming t5 students are better than others. I will say definitely no. People who end up at a t5 vs say a t20 or even t50 are almost entirely due to luck.
Plus being identified as “unique” by t5 schools.“Luck” meaning having a lot of family support, financial resources, high IQ, mentoring and connections, and few mental health challenges like anxiety and depression so they can focus on the work needed to produce a strong application. It’s much easier to navigate the system if your mom is a professor of medicine.
I think this list is stronger than NYU’s.I will gift y'all the highly anticipated Cornell match list:
Anesthesiology
Brigham (3)
Mount Sinai
NYP Cornell
NYU
U Miami
UCLA (2)
Dermatology
NYP Cornell
Emergency Medicine
NYP Columbia/Cornell (3)
Temple
U Miami
Family Medicine
U Washington
General Surgery
BIDMC
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
NYP Cornell
Yale
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Internal Medicine
Brigham (2)
Duke
HCA Healthcare/TriStar
MGH (3)
Northwestern
NYP Cornell (9)
NYU
Tufts
UCSF
UCLA (2)
U Rochester
Yale
Medicine-Prelim
Allegheny Gen Hosp-PA
Billings Clinic-MT
Mount Sinai Morningside West
Mount Sinai NYC Health+Hospitals/Elmhurst
MGH
NYU
U Nevada Reno
UC Irvine
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Medicine-Primary Care
Brigham
Hopkins
NYP Cornell
Neurosurgery
NYP Cornell
Neurology
Brigham
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
OB/Gyn
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
UC Irvine
Opthamology
Harvard Mass Ear & Eye
LSU New Orleans
NYU
USC Roski Eye Institute
Orthopedic Surgery
CMSRU/Cooper University Hospital-NJ
Emory
Henry Ford Hospital
HSS
Howard Univ
NYP Columbia
Thomas Jefferson
UMiami
UTSW
UCLA
Zucker SOM Northwell Lenox Hill
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
ENT
NYP Columbia/Cornell (2)
Pathology
Brigham (2)
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell
Pediatric Neurology
CHOP
Hopkins
Stanford
Pediatrics
CHOP
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (2)
UMass Chan Medical School
PM&R
Harvard Spaulding Rehab Hosp
NYP Columbia/Cornell
Stanford
Psychiatry
Howard Univ
Montefiore/Einstein
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (4)
Vanderbilt
Radiation Oncology
MSKCC (2)
Diagnostic Radiology
Boston Univ
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell (2)
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Interventional Radiology
NYP Cornell
Stanford
Surgery-Prelim
NYP Columbia
UPMC
Virginia Mason Med Ctr
Transitional
Campbell University-NC
Lincoln Med Ctr-NY
MSKCC (3)
MetroWest Med Ctr- Framingham,MA
NCH Healthcare Sys-FL
Riverside Community Hospital-CA
Santa Clara Valley Med Ctr-CA
Urology
Hopkins
NYU
NYP Cornell
UPMC
wow, unexpectedly high number of transitional and Med prelims. Any insight from Cornellers?I will gift y'all the highly anticipated Cornell match list:
Anesthesiology
Brigham (3)
Mount Sinai
NYP Cornell
NYU
U Miami
UCLA (2)
Dermatology
NYP Cornell
Emergency Medicine
NYP Columbia/Cornell (3)
Temple
U Miami
Family Medicine
U Washington
General Surgery
BIDMC
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
NYP Cornell
Yale
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Internal Medicine
Brigham (2)
Duke
HCA Healthcare/TriStar
MGH (3)
Northwestern
NYP Cornell (9)
NYU
Tufts
UCSF
UCLA (2)
U Rochester
Yale
Medicine-Prelim
Allegheny Gen Hosp-PA
Billings Clinic-MT
Mount Sinai Morningside West
Mount Sinai NYC Health+Hospitals/Elmhurst
MGH
NYU
U Nevada Reno
UC Irvine
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Medicine-Primary Care
Brigham
Hopkins
NYP Cornell
Neurosurgery
NYP Cornell
Neurology
Brigham
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
OB/Gyn
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
UC Irvine
Opthamology
Harvard Mass Ear & Eye
LSU New Orleans
NYU
USC Roski Eye Institute
Orthopedic Surgery
CMSRU/Cooper University Hospital-NJ
Emory
Henry Ford Hospital
HSS
Howard Univ
NYP Columbia
Thomas Jefferson
UMiami
UTSW
UCLA
Zucker SOM Northwell Lenox Hill
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
ENT
NYP Columbia/Cornell (2)
Pathology
Brigham (2)
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell
Pediatric Neurology
CHOP
Hopkins
Stanford
Pediatrics
CHOP
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (2)
UMass Chan Medical School
PM&R
Harvard Spaulding Rehab Hosp
NYP Columbia/Cornell
Stanford
Psychiatry
Howard Univ
Montefiore/Einstein
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (4)
Vanderbilt
Radiation Oncology
MSKCC (2)
Diagnostic Radiology
Boston Univ
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell (2)
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Interventional Radiology
NYP Cornell
Stanford
Surgery-Prelim
NYP Columbia
UPMC
Virginia Mason Med Ctr
Transitional
Campbell University-NC
Lincoln Med Ctr-NY
MSKCC (3)
MetroWest Med Ctr- Framingham,MA
NCH Healthcare Sys-FL
Riverside Community Hospital-CA
Santa Clara Valley Med Ctr-CA
Urology
Hopkins
NYU
NYP Cornell
UPMC
Can't say for sure, but they may be listing the prelim/TY for those who have also matched into an advanced specialty.wow, unexpectedly high number of transitional and Med prelims. Any insight from Cornellers?
That is possible, most schools don’t list it like that.Can't say for sure, but they may be listing the prelim/TY for those who have also matched into an advanced specialty.
I tried to dig up the number of people graduating from Cornell this year to try to compare to the list, but couldn't find anything.That is possible, most schools don’t list it like that.
This is correct. Though undoubtedly there are probably a minority who didn't match an advanced (usually a few each year).Can't say for sure, but they may be listing the prelim/TY for those who have also matched into an advanced specialty.
I think this list is stronger than NYU’s.
Cornell is McDonalds? That’s some talking out of Arse. It’s kind of ridiculous to think somehow a medical student’s opinion is just less valid, because it’s a medical student’s opinion!I've noted you enjoy taking swipes at this institution. I also note you offer your uniformed opinions like flatulence, polluting the air.
To be clear NYU has some of the finest programs in the country. In orthopedics, my field, it is top 10 for sure. Same with radiology, plastic surgery, dermatology, emergency medicine, ob gyn, urology; where in these fields NYU is tops in Manhattan.
Students at NYU are among the most accomplished in the country.
But you, a medical student, see fit to compare NYU to McDonalds.
Please, quit talking out of your arse
🙄 McDonalds is T20 at best.Cornell is McDonalds? That’s some talking out of Arse.
There are 136 matches listed for a class of 116 that entered the match, so I think that some of the prelims/TYs are definitely for other specialtiesThat is possible, most schools don’t list it like that.
Cornell is McDonalds? That’s some talking out of Arse. It’s kind of ridiculous to think somehow a medical student’s opinion is just less valid, because it’s a medical student’s opinion!
Whatever NYU has done, it’s still NYU, the McDonald of higher education.
Cornell actually has a plastics match to NYP-Columbia/Cornell that was omitted in the match list sent out. Personally know the guy.I will gift y'all the highly anticipated Cornell match list:
Anesthesiology
Brigham (3)
Mount Sinai
NYP Cornell
NYU
U Miami
UCLA (2)
Dermatology
NYP Cornell
Emergency Medicine
NYP Columbia/Cornell (3)
Temple
U Miami
Family Medicine
U Washington
General Surgery
BIDMC
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
NYP Cornell
Yale
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Internal Medicine
Brigham (2)
Duke
HCA Healthcare/TriStar
MGH (3)
Northwestern
NYP Cornell (9)
NYU
Tufts
UCSF
UCLA (2)
U Rochester
Yale
Medicine-Prelim
Allegheny Gen Hosp-PA
Billings Clinic-MT
Mount Sinai Morningside West
Mount Sinai NYC Health+Hospitals/Elmhurst
MGH
NYU
U Nevada Reno
UC Irvine
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Medicine-Primary Care
Brigham
Hopkins
NYP Cornell
Neurosurgery
NYP Cornell
Neurology
Brigham
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
OB/Gyn
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
UC Irvine
Opthamology
Harvard Mass Ear & Eye
LSU New Orleans
NYU
USC Roski Eye Institute
Orthopedic Surgery
CMSRU/Cooper University Hospital-NJ
Emory
Henry Ford Hospital
HSS
Howard Univ
NYP Columbia
Thomas Jefferson
UMiami
UTSW
UCLA
Zucker SOM Northwell Lenox Hill
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
ENT
NYP Columbia/Cornell (2)
Pathology
Brigham (2)
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell
Pediatric Neurology
CHOP
Hopkins
Stanford
Pediatrics
CHOP
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (2)
UMass Chan Medical School
PM&R
Harvard Spaulding Rehab Hosp
NYP Columbia/Cornell
Stanford
Psychiatry
Howard Univ
Montefiore/Einstein
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (4)
Vanderbilt
Radiation Oncology
MSKCC (2)
Diagnostic Radiology
Boston Univ
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell (2)
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Interventional Radiology
NYP Cornell
Stanford
Surgery-Prelim
NYP Columbia
UPMC
Virginia Mason Med Ctr
Transitional
Campbell University-NC
Lincoln Med Ctr-NY
MSKCC (3)
MetroWest Med Ctr- Framingham,MA
NCH Healthcare Sys-FL
Riverside Community Hospital-CA
Santa Clara Valley Med Ctr-CA
Urology
Hopkins
NYU
NYP Cornell
UPMC
In terms of # of people matching into fields like Derm, Ortho, Neurosurg (7!), it was definitely an impressive year.is it just me or this Case match particularly strong?
Would you mind sharing why you think NYU's list is no better than Cornell's? Also, what do you have against NYU?Cornell is McDonalds? That’s some talking out of Arse. It’s kind of ridiculous to think somehow a medical student’s opinion is just less valid, because it’s a medical student’s opinion!
wow, unexpectedly high number of transitional and Med prelims. Any insight from Cornellers?
I will gift y'all the highly anticipated Cornell match list:
Anesthesiology
Brigham (3)
Mount Sinai
NYP Cornell
NYU
U Miami
UCLA (2)
Dermatology
NYP Cornell
Emergency Medicine
NYP Columbia/Cornell (3)
Temple
U Miami
Family Medicine
U Washington
General Surgery
BIDMC
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
NYP Cornell
Yale
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Internal Medicine
Brigham (2)
Duke
HCA Healthcare/TriStar
MGH (3)
Northwestern
NYP Cornell (9)
NYU
Tufts
UCSF
UCLA (2)
U Rochester
Yale
Medicine-Prelim
Allegheny Gen Hosp-PA
Billings Clinic-MT
Mount Sinai Morningside West
Mount Sinai NYC Health+Hospitals/Elmhurst
MGH
NYU
U Nevada Reno
UC Irvine
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
Medicine-Primary Care
Brigham
Hopkins
NYP Cornell
Neurosurgery
NYP Cornell
Neurology
Brigham
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
OB/Gyn
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Brooklyn Methodist
UC Irvine
Opthamology
Harvard Mass Ear & Eye
LSU New Orleans
NYU
USC Roski Eye Institute
Orthopedic Surgery
CMSRU/Cooper University Hospital-NJ
Emory
Henry Ford Hospital
HSS
Howard Univ
NYP Columbia
Thomas Jefferson
UMiami
UTSW
UCLA
Zucker SOM Northwell Lenox Hill
Zucker SOM Northwell NS/LIJ
ENT
NYP Columbia/Cornell (2)
Pathology
Brigham (2)
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell
Pediatric Neurology
CHOP
Hopkins
Stanford
Pediatrics
CHOP
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (2)
UMass Chan Medical School
PM&R
Harvard Spaulding Rehab Hosp
NYP Columbia/Cornell
Stanford
Psychiatry
Howard Univ
Montefiore/Einstein
NYP Columbia (2)
NYP Cornell (4)
Vanderbilt
Radiation Oncology
MSKCC (2)
Diagnostic Radiology
Boston Univ
UPenn
Mount Sinai
NYP Columbia
NYP Cornell (2)
UCLA
Vanderbilt
Interventional Radiology
NYP Cornell
Stanford
Surgery-Prelim
NYP Columbia
UPMC
Virginia Mason Med Ctr
Transitional
Campbell University-NC
Lincoln Med Ctr-NY
MSKCC (3)
MetroWest Med Ctr- Framingham,MA
NCH Healthcare Sys-FL
Riverside Community Hospital-CA
Santa Clara Valley Med Ctr-CA
Urology
Hopkins
NYU
NYP Cornell
UPMC
🙄 McDonalds is T20 at best.
I don’t have anything against NYU other than the fact that people think it’s absolutely better than other top schools in NYC. One of my premed mentors teaches at Cornell, Columbia and NYU. He basically told me that NYU students are mostly high stats tools, that’s both before and after they have gone tuition free. Not my words. Again before anyone lashes out by saying I have anything against high stats. I also applied with a LM of 80+Would you mind sharing why you think NYU's list is no better than Cornell's? Also, what do you have against NYU?
McDonalds in the sense that they open franchises everywhere. NYU has been expanding all over the world. Not only that, it has completely monopolized a good part of lower manhattan.McDonald’s is #1. Second to none. Or is that Cleveland Clinic?? 😉
McDonalds in the sense that they open franchises everywhere. NYU has been expanding all over the world. Not only that, it has completely monopolized a good part of lower manhattan.
It’s not just the medical school. It has taken over so many buildings in the villages and made the whole area its campus. Kind of ridiculous from the local point of view. The whole school is run like a land-grabbing mafia. It has a lot of wonderful programs, its art, law, and performance programs are so top notch. But sorry, its medical school has never been considered in that league. Most NYC residents would rather go to Presbyterian for anything than Bellevue.Spreading tentacles throughout the region is a normal part of modern healthcare. The regional health systems control the patient population and all the referrals. NYU needs to do that. Cleveland clinic, Duke, and Mayo have all done the same. MD Anderson spread nationally.
Pitt Match list this year surprised us with more than 20 percent DOPEN matches this year.
This way above Case and some T10's this year. Every year is different as sometimes you have to like McDOnalds