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Is anyone else a glutton for punishment who signed up for AOBIM as well as ABIM?
I noticed that as well. I am not sure why. So many questions with 2 seemingly correct answers.Took the test last week. Nothing like UWorld. Much shorter questions steps and sometimes would only get 3 answer choices to choose from. More like MKSAP in terms of question stem length.
Issue with ABIM exam is that they purposefully leave out information and make the diagnosis a bit unclear so you have to go through the differential diagnosis between the answer choices based on 1-2 factoids but sometimes the information they give you is based on atypical presentation which makes it even more ambiguous. 30% of the questions are like this. The percentage correct needed to pass also seems to be higher also for ABIM than USMLE.
Really at this point of our careers these questions should just be straightforward to test our knowledge and more importantly be relevant to what we see on a day to day basis.
I noticed that as well. I am not sure why. So many questions with 2 seemingly correct answers.
Agree with this 100%I definitely noticed that. Bunch of questions where it came down to just 2. Was really annoying because while the stems were shorter, they were also a lot more vague, which sucked..
Preliminarily while everything is fresh, I will say UWorld definitely prepared me a lot and highly recommend it. Idk if you can use it as your ONLY source but it nabbed me quite a few questions. I think combo MKSAP and UWorld is where the money is. I also HIGHLY recommend Board Vitals as a lot of the shorter answers seemed to have been inspired there. I wish I had spent more time on Board Vitals honestly and I think the new one is coming out soon.
My test didn't really have weird ID questions, but surprisingly pregnant patients and pulm was brought out a lot. Thats as far as I can say I believe without violating anything. Stats was also completely non-existent. I'm sort of mad about that as I actually took time to study it.
Overall, I agree with the above. I didn't feel like the test was representative of IM either in inpatient or outpatient. Lots of subspecialty stuff we wouldn't really decide on our own. Vague quesitons were also terrible since it felt like they were trying to be like a Step exam when this is just for certification. Makes you a bit mad there's NPs running solo without this sort of knowledge yet ABIM continues with this BS. I think I passed, but this test doesn't really set you up study wise to be a successful physician.
Though that's it for us 2021 ABIM takers, I do hope we all passed the thing! At least there's no curve so we can all succeed.
Hope I dont have to take that damn thing again. I heard we will have to wait for 2+ months to get the result. Why do we have to take that thing when other people (NP/PA) are practicing medicine solo without knowing a 1/4 of these things?I definitely noticed that. Bunch of questions where it came down to just 2. Was really annoying because while the stems were shorter, they were also a lot more vague, which sucked..
Preliminarily while everything is fresh, I will say UWorld definitely prepared me a lot and highly recommend it. Idk if you can use it as your ONLY source but it nabbed me quite a few questions. I think combo MKSAP and UWorld is where the money is. I also HIGHLY recommend Board Vitals as a lot of the shorter answers seemed to have been inspired there. I wish I had spent more time on Board Vitals honestly and I think the new one is coming out soon.
My test didn't really have weird ID questions, but surprisingly pregnant patients and pulm was brought out a lot. Thats as far as I can say I believe without violating anything. Stats was also completely non-existent. I'm sort of mad about that as I actually took time to study it.
Overall, I agree with the above. I didn't feel like the test was representative of IM either in inpatient or outpatient. Lots of subspecialty stuff we wouldn't really decide on our own. Vague quesitons were also terrible since it felt like they were trying to be like a Step exam when this is just for certification. Makes you a bit mad there's NPs running solo without this sort of knowledge yet ABIM continues with this BS. I think I passed, but this test doesn't really set you up study wise to be a successful physician.
Though that's it for us 2021 ABIM takers, I do hope we all passed the thing! At least there's no curve so we can all succeed.
So much information needed missing. I feel like uworld was easier as more info was available. A lot of questions, I was not sure what was being asked. Just hopeful I pass because I don’t know what I’ll do different.Took the test last week. Nothing like UWorld. Much shorter questions steps and sometimes would only get 3 answer choices to choose from. More like MKSAP in terms of question stem length.
Issue with ABIM exam is that they purposefully leave out information and make the diagnosis a bit unclear so you have to go through the differential diagnosis between the answer choices based on 1-2 factoids but sometimes the information they give you is based on atypical presentation which makes it even more ambiguous. 30% of the questions are like this. The percentage correct needed to pass also seems to be higher also for ABIM than USMLE.
Really at this point of our careers these questions should just be straightforward to test our knowledge and more importantly be relevant to what we see on a day to day basis.
We all have seen that 64%, and the 366 needed to pass last year but no one knows how ABIM grade this thing.Does anyone know what percentage of questions are needed to pass? I read 64% but not sure if that’s valid.
LolI've counted 16 wrong so far out of the 80 something questions I remember... it's gonna be a long 2-3 months
We all have seen that 64%, and the 366 needed to pass last year but one knows how ABIM grade this thing.
I wish I could be like that. I've always tried to recall questions after a test and jot them down on a piece of paper/phone. Did it after SATx2, MCATx2, shelf exams, Step 1/2/3, and now ABIM. There's probably a condition for this and I might qualify for a SSRIThey do throw away questions though since they're test questions and I remember them being a decent chunk, so impossible to really know.
I personally purged whatever questions I could remember. No use in being anxious about something out of my control.
Preliminarily while everything is fresh, I will say UWorld definitely prepared me a lot and highly recommend it. Idk if you can use it as your ONLY source but it nabbed me quite a few questions. I think combo MKSAP and UWorld is where the money is. I also HIGHLY recommend Board Vitals as a lot of the shorter answers seemed to have been inspired there. I wish I had spent more time on Board Vitals honestly and I think the new one is coming out soon.
I did uworld and awesome review. Uworld was very similar to the test yesterday. Awesome review notes were amazing. Definitely recommend it. My third second i had no clue about half the questions so we’ll see. Hopefully we all passed!I took it yesterday. It was friggin' hard. Hopefully won't ever have to repeat it. I used UW, MedStudy, and Board Basics. UW was definitely very reflective of the real thing. I also took the ExamCrackers practice exam and scored decently on it, but I have to say I think it was easier than the real deal.
I definitely noticed that. Bunch of questions where it came down to just 2. Was really annoying because while the stems were shorter, they were also a lot more vague, which sucked..
Preliminarily while everything is fresh, I will say UWorld definitely prepared me a lot and highly recommend it. Idk if you can use it as your ONLY source but it nabbed me quite a few questions. I think combo MKSAP and UWorld is where the money is. I also HIGHLY recommend Board Vitals as a lot of the shorter answers seemed to have been inspired there. I wish I had spent more time on Board Vitals honestly and I think the new one is coming out soon.
I agree. A few questions (like 10-15%) were weird as there were two plausible answers. They have to make the exam that way because if the passing rate is 97%+ year after year, people will start questioning the utility of this exam.I am absolutely convinced that the ABIM creates an "impossible" exam for some candidates in order to avoid a 99% pass rate.
Why? Reading some of these comments makes me think we took completely different exams.
Mainly, the majority of the questions stems seemed VERY lengthy. Far more UWorld style than I would've anticipated.
Is it possible two people may perceive the same exam differently? Sure. What I know for a fact is that I did UWorld (lengthy), MKSAP (medium), and Board Vitals (paragraph or less) questions. It felt like the ABIM took questions from other specialty board exams and asked George RR Martin to expand the stems.
Again, after reading these comments, it truly feels as if the ABIM has an "impossible" exam they use to drop the pass rate. This is a tinfoil hate that won't be coming off.
I am absolutely convinced that the ABIM creates an "impossible" exam for some candidates in order to avoid a 99% pass rate.
Why? Reading some of these comments makes me think we took completely different exams.
Mainly, the majority of the questions stems seemed VERY lengthy. Far more UWorld style than I would've anticipated.
Is it possible two people may perceive the same exam differently? Sure. What I know for a fact is that I did UWorld (lengthy), MKSAP (medium), and Board Vitals (paragraph or less) questions. It felt like the ABIM took questions from other specialty board exams and asked George RR Martin to expand the stems.
Again, after reading these comments, it truly feels as if the ABIM has an "impossible" exam they use to drop the pass rate. This is a tinfoil hate that won't be coming off.
It's the other subspecialties / disciplines / topics within Internal Medicine.MKSAP 19 part A is out now. Part B not until January 2022. Can someone tell me the difference between part A and part B?
I thought it was based on a certain threshold/score. If I read their PDF correctly, the passing score/threshold is evaluated ever five years. The only thing that gets adjusted are the experimental questions. Does this sound familiar to anyone else? I think it's on the ABIM websiteIf 93% passed last year, that means the same thing as "as long as you were 7th percentile or higher among all test takers last year, then you passed" right?
"The examination pass-fail decision is based on your performance on the entire examination. Unanswered questions are scored as incorrect; therefore, you should answer every question. The minimum passing score reflects an absolute standard that is independent of the performance of any group of candidates. The standard for each assessment is set by the designated ABIM Subspecialty Board or Test Committee.If 93% passed last year, that means the same thing as "as long as you were 7th percentile or higher among all test takers last year, then you passed" right?
Thanks for pointing this out. A quick google search shows that you needed 64% raw score to pass the ABIM per MedStudy published on May 2021. So most likely the absolute cutoff is somewhere around the mid-60s."The examination pass-fail decision is based on your performance on the entire examination. Unanswered questions are scored as incorrect; therefore, you should answer every question. The minimum passing score reflects an absolute standard that is independent of the performance of any group of candidates. The standard for each assessment is set by the designated ABIM Subspecialty Board or Test Committee.
ABIM is aware that, on occasion, for a small number of questions, changes in medicine (such as the publication of new practice guidelines for hypertension) occur late in the examination publishing process and may alter what was previously the correct answer. Do your best to answer all questions according to your understanding of current clinical principles and practice. If ABIM determines that what was designed to be the correct answer has been changed by new information, this question will not be counted in the overall score."
I thought it was based on a certain threshold/score. If I read their PDF correctly, the passing score/threshold is evaluated ever five years. The only thing that gets adjusted are the experimental questions. Does this sound familiar to anyone else? I think it's on the ABIM website
Since i am working as an attending (aka having a life), I have not thought about it at all.How is the waiting game going for everyone? Any bets on when we'll get scores? I am guessing... Thursday 10/14 😵
That is awesome good for you. Weird having a life right?Since i am working as an attending (aka having a life), I have not thought about it at all.
last year it came out oct 16th I think...some of my seniors had posted!How is the waiting game going for everyone? Any bets on when we'll get scores? I am guessing... Thursday 10/14 😵
It feels strange now that I am calling the shot.That is awesome good for you. Weird having a life right?
Amen.It feels strange now that I am calling the shot.
To those who have taken any ABIM test this year - does anyone know how Pearson and ABIM are handling potential COVID cases from testees - as in if you had an exposure to a COVID positive person or have any mild cold-like symptoms are you not allowed to take the test? Will ABIM make you wait the following year to take your exam, or do they give you another option to take the test when you test negative? I called ABIM to ask but they couldn't tell me what would happen.
Since i am working as an attending (aka having a life), I have not thought about it at all.
How is the waiting game going for everyone? Any bets on when we'll get scores? I am guessing... Thursday 10/14 😵
This is exactly my worry.No idea, I remember being super paranoid about getting a breakthrough case the day or so before my test and then being scrwed for a year. So IDK.
No. Nothing.For ABIM is there one of those clues to see if you passed? Like log in earlier and see something appear or disappear (other than seeing the score report, obvs)
you can check the physician portal a day early or so, as my seniors told me that, but its my first time giving it, so not sure.No. Nothing.
Why? Based on my contract, I have until the end of 2023 to pass it.Man good for you, that's awesome. I'm worried sick about if I fail it then I would have to take this beast again in less than a year.
I'm thinking mid-October as well. I have a little hope we'll be lucky like that one odd year it got released late September, but I doubt it with how COVID is going.
ABIM is a subset of ABMS. Are you talking about ABPS? Because that's the bulls*** one. Only one of the 7 hospitals where I have credentials recognizes that for anything other than affiliate (participation in health plan only) membership.A couple of IM docs where I am have their board certification thru ABMS, is that legit?
Why? Based on my contract, I have until the end of 2023 to pass it.
I think we will pass.My contract just states we stay board eligible. And I guess I misspoke, if I failed I would retake in August when the test becomes available again. Hopefully we both pass so this won't be an issue.
I just look them up. Actually, they are all ABIM certified. Not sure what they put ABMS in their credentials when most put ABIM.ABIM is a subset of ABMS. Are you talking about ABPS? Because that's the bulls*** one. Only one of the 7 hospitals where I have credentials recognizes that for anything other than affiliate (participation in health plan only) membership.
Are you talking about ABPS? Because that's the bulls*** one.
I just checked Facebook posts from people who graduated in the last 2 years from my program - 2019 it was September 30th-October 4th. Last year it was October 14th-17th.last year it came out oct 16th I think...some of my seniors had posted!
I think we can also check on the website and see the physician portal earlier..