*~*~*~* Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2021-2026 *~*~*~*

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I have a hospitalist shadowing entry I want to add to my W&A to show the most recent stuff I've been doing to show improvement as a reapplicant. But I'm at 15 entries and I need to choose a weak entry to find and replace to fill this hospitalist shadowing entry in. The two entries that I'm debating between which to remove are my Phi Beta Kappa Honors entry and my entry for a state-sponsored/government issued scholarship that I was awarded to help finance my public undergrad education. Which entry could I remove to replace with my hospitalist shadowing?

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I have a hospitalist shadowing entry I want to add to my W&A to show the most recent stuff I've been doing to show improvement as a reapplicant. But I'm at 15 entries and I need to choose a weak entry to find and replace to fill this hospitalist shadowing entry in. The two entries that I'm debating between which to remove are my Phi Beta Kappa Honors entry and my entry for a state-sponsored/government issued scholarship that I was awarded to help finance my public undergrad education. Which entry could I remove to replace with my hospitalist shadowing?
Phi Beta Kappa can be easily removed, as your GPA speaks for itself.

If the state-sponsored scholarship was based on HS performance, you could take that out, too, provided their aren't additional college-related benchmarks you have to reach each year to keep the aid.

If you wish, both recognitions could be listed in a single Honors/Awards space, using the College Registrar as the Contact.
 
Phi Beta Kappa can be easily removed, as your GPA speaks for itself.

If the state-sponsored scholarship was based on HS performance, you could take that out, too, provided their aren't additional college-related benchmarks you have to reach each year to keep the aid.

If you wish, both recognitions could be listed in a single Honors/Awards space, using the College Registrar as the Contact.
If consolidating two entries into one, can I just list PBK and the scholarship without listing anything else, in a bullet note format, or should I decribe more detail about those honors and awards?
 
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If consolidating two entries into one, can I just list PBK and the scholarship without listing anything else, in a bullet note format, or should I decribe more detail about those honors and awards?
The criteria for PBK vary among schools, so some indication of how selective it is at yours would be nice.

Ditto for the scholarship: criteria, how selective was it, ongoing requirements for each college year.
 
I had a short volunteer position that was cut short when COVID happened. The last time I applied, I made my best guess at my number of hours by multiplying my shift length by the number of shifts I thought I had volunteered. This came out to around 50 hours. I am reapplying this cycle, and when I called the volunteer services at this place they told me they have only 24 hours on record for me. I did not track every hour I worked, so it’s possible I had my start date wrong but I was fairly certain I was at 50. I don’t want to run the risk of misrepresenting the number of hours, so I’m going to put 26 since that’s what my contact will be able to verify. Will it be an issue when schools see that the hours don’t match when they compare my two applications?
 
I had a short volunteer position that was cut short when COVID happened. The last time I applied, I made my best guess at my number of hours by multiplying my shift length by the number of shifts I thought I had volunteered. This came out to around 50 hours. I am reapplying this cycle, and when I called the volunteer services at this place they told me they have only 24 hours on record for me. I did not track every hour I worked, so it’s possible I had my start date wrong but I was fairly certain I was at 50. I don’t want to run the risk of misrepresenting the number of hours, so I’m going to put 26 since that’s what my contact will be able to verify. Will it be an issue when schools see that the hours don’t match when they compare my two applications?

I have moved your question to our main AMCAS Work/Activities thread.

No. An activity (besides shadowing) with 50 or less hours is usually of little significance on an app. For 24 hours, it might be more worthwhile to leave it off.
 
No. An activity (besides shadowing) with 50 or less hours is usually of little significance on an app. For 24 hours, it might be more worthwhile to leave it off.
Thanks. I want to have it on there because there’s a gap of about 1.5 years after that activity before my next clinical experience and I marked it most meaningful on my first app. Mainly just concerned about schools thinking I was trying to deceive.
 
Thanks. I want to have it on there because there’s a gap of about 1.5 years after that activity before my next clinical experience and I marked it most meaningful on my first app. Mainly just concerned about schools thinking I was trying to deceive.
Having it on there does not help. Definitely do not mark it as a most meaningful again.
 
Having it on there does not help. Definitely do not mark it as a most meaningful again.
Haha definitely not the plan, I have much more clinical experience this time around. So your advice is that listing it could hurt me so I’m better off just not including it?
 
Haha definitely not the plan, I have much more clinical experience this time around. So your advice is that listing it could hurt me so I’m better off just not including it?

Yes, if you have much more clinical experience, it is not worth putting an activity with so few hours. It could come across as fluff.
 
Yes, if you have much more clinical experience, it is not worth putting an activity with so few hours. It could come across as fluff.
Gotcha. Aside from that, I’m sitting on 350 clinical volunteering and 170 shadowing. Is that enough to leave it off safely?
 
Hello. I have a question about my clinical experiences. I have 480 hours of clinical experience as a medical scribe and 70 hours of clinical observation/shadowing. Should I combine these two into one section as "Clinical Experience" or separate them and write each section individually?

Would it be considered too late if I submit my application in early July?

Thank you so much in advance for your help and guidance.
 
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1) I have a question about my clinical experiences. I have 480 hours of clinical experience as a medical scribe and 70 hours of clinical observation/shadowing. Should I combine these two into one section as "Clinical Experience" or separate them and write each section individually?

2) Would it be considered too late if I submit my application in early July?
1) List them separately so adcomms will find them when they go looking for each category.

2) No. Not "too" late and not a tiny bit late.
 
I was a specimen processor and not sure how to categorize. There are two options on the AMCAS application
1. Paid employment: (medical/clinical)
2. Paid employment: (nonmedical/clinical)


I received incoming specimens from patient floors and clinics. Inspected the specimen to ensure it is in the correct tube, is not damaged, etc. Prepared them by (centrifuged, divided into aliquots) and transported to the requested lab.

So clearly, this is NOT clinical since I'm not interacting with patients, so I was going to put it as Paid employment: (nonmedical/clinical). But then if put this, I will be lying by saying "non-medical" when this is medical so was thinking. Paid employment: (medical/clinical).
What should you put this as?
 
I was a specimen processor and not sure how to categorize. There are two options on the AMCAS application
1. Paid employment: (medical/clinical)
2. Paid employment: (nonmedical/clinical)


I received incoming specimens from patient floors and clinics. Inspected the specimen to ensure it is in the correct tube, is not damaged, etc. Prepared them by (centrifuged, divided into aliquots) and transported to the requested lab.

So clearly, this is NOT clinical since I'm not interacting with patients, so I was going to put it as Paid employment: (nonmedical/clinical). But then if put this, I will be lying by saying "non-medical" when this is medical so was thinking. Paid employment: (medical/clinical).
What should you put this as?
For AMCAS purposes this is not "clinical." Use the tag Paid employment: (nonmedical/clinical).
 
I was a specimen processor and not sure how to categorize. There are two options on the AMCAS application
1. Paid employment: (medical/clinical)
2. Paid employment: (nonmedical/clinical)


I received incoming specimens from patient floors and clinics. Inspected the specimen to ensure it is in the correct tube, is not damaged, etc. Prepared them by (centrifuged, divided into aliquots) and transported to the requested lab.

So clearly, this is NOT clinical since I'm not interacting with patients, so I was going to put it as Paid employment: (nonmedical/clinical). But then if put this, I will be lying by saying "non-medical" when this is medical so was thinking. Paid employment: (medical/clinical).
What should you put this as?
I have moved your question and the answers to it into our main AMCAS Work/Activities thread.
 
In planning ahead for next year...

I am not sure how to categorize being a Bonner Scholar (if you aren't familiar (I didn't see it in this thread), it's a 4 year scholarship program with a service requirement - 200 hours every semester and 280 for 2 summers, or you can do an additional summer of 280 hours for another stipend plus a service trip after freshman year which adds around 40 hours). My first year/summer of hours were nonclinical, the final three years were clinical (EMT).

Is it better to list this as an honor/award or try to break them apart as clinical and nonclinical volunteer? I continued at the volunteer rescue squad for several years and it is one of my MM experiences (I am a super nontrad applicant and have been with this squad for almost 17 years now and it led to my career as a paramedic), but I also want to show the hours for the nonclinical side if possible. I do have a more recent nonclinical activity but not a lot of hours there due to my work schedule.
 
In planning ahead for next year...

I am not sure how to categorize being a Bonner Scholar (if you aren't familiar (I didn't see it in this thread), it's a 4 year scholarship program with a service requirement - 200 hours every semester and 280 for 2 summers, or you can do an additional summer of 280 hours for another stipend plus a service trip after freshman year which adds around 40 hours). My first year/summer of hours were nonclinical, the final three years were clinical (EMT).

Is it better to list this as an honor/award or try to break them apart as clinical and nonclinical volunteer? I continued at the volunteer rescue squad for several years and it is one of my MM experiences (I am a super nontrad applicant and have been with this squad for almost 17 years now and it led to my career as a paramedic), but I also want to show the hours for the nonclinical side if possible. I do have a more recent nonclinical activity but not a lot of hours there due to my work schedule.
I suggest breaking it apart into Volunteer Clinical and Nonclinical, but you could also mention the scholarship in a grouped Honors/Awards Recognitions space or alternatively in a Collegiate Year's Highlights-titled space (tagged Other) where you include non-related items that stand out (since the college years were awhile ago). Or you could mention the scholarship aspect within the backstory of the relevant Volunteer slots.
 
I suggest breaking it apart into Volunteer Clinical and Nonclinical, but you could also mention the scholarship in a grouped Honors/Awards Recognitions space or alternatively in a Collegiate Year's Highlights-titled space (tagged Other) where you include non-related items that stand out (since the college years were awhile ago). Or you could mention the scholarship aspect within the backstory of the relevant Volunteer slots.
Thank you for making those suggestions! I'm going to have to think on it a little in relation to the rest of my entries since I have some time, but I like the idea of the college year highlights section as I could bring in some other info from college that I was planning to leave out.
 
Hi everyone, I know this thread hasn't been active in a few so hopefully someone sees this.

I am working on my DO W/A section, and it's too late to change AMCAS. But I saw a post (granted on reddit) that we shouldn't relate our experiences to how they would transfer as skills to medicine. I did that for some of my AMCAS activities, but should I avoid it for DO? Or should I try to incorporate DO principles in them?
 
I am working on my DO W/A section, and it's too late to change AMCAS. But I saw a post (granted on reddit) that we shouldn't relate our experiences to how they would transfer as skills to medicine. I did that for some of my AMCAS activities, but should I avoid it for DO? Or should I try to incorporate DO principles in them?
If you read through enough of this thread, you’d see there is general agreement with the reddit post to which you refer. Avoiding that approach for your DO application is also preferable. “Show, don’t Tell. “
 
If you read through enough of this thread, you’d see there is general agreement with the reddit post to which you refer. Avoiding that approach for your DO application is also preferable. “Show, don’t Tell. “
rip do you think it is bad for AMCAS? I did it 4 times out of 15ish, not including the healthcare work/activities.
 
If it was only four, you’ll be all right.
Okay thank you!

I am now having an absolute crisis because while going through the AMCAS work/activities to change over for AACOMAS, I discover 2,000 non-clinical, church-related volunteer hours never made it in the primary. I don't know how it happened, I think it was some sort of technical issue.

Some schools have a "what do you want the adcoms to know about you" section in the secondaries, which would save me, but some don't. How do I incorporate that into a secondary for a school without that prompt? I am actually devastated. I have 80 hours unrelated to the 2000, but that's only 80 volunteer hours. I don't know if it's appropriate/acceptable to put the missing 2000 hours in a random secondary essay.
 
Okay thank you!

I am now having an absolute crisis because while going through the AMCAS work/activities to change over for AACOMAS, I discover 2,000 non-clinical, church-related volunteer hours never made it in the primary. I don't know how it happened, I think it was some sort of technical issue.

Some schools have a "what do you want the adcoms to know about you" section in the secondaries, which would save me, but some don't. How do I incorporate that into a secondary for a school without that prompt? I am actually devastated. I have 80 hours unrelated to the 2000, but that's only 80 volunteer hours. I don't know if it's appropriate/acceptable to put the missing 2000 hours in a random secondary essay.
Think of a way to create a connection between the 2000 hour activity and a reasonable response to the prompt. Or, save it for an update letter (where accepted) later in the cycle.. Or send the remaining schools a note, “Due to my error I failed to include . . . . “.
 
Think of a way to create a connection between the 2000 hour activity and a reasonable response to the prompt. Or, save it for an update letter (where accepted) later in the cycle.. Or send the remaining schools a note, “Due to my error I failed to include . . . . “.
When should I send that email about the hours? Or does it go in some sort of a letter?
so sorry for all the questions, I am kind of really panicking.
 
My biggest clinical experience I had was nursing home volunteering (500+ hrs) but I don’t think I did a good job describing why it was clinical. In my description I mainly wrote about talking to patients since the social-emotional support was the most impactful portion of the role to me. I also help with mobility/leading activities for maintaining cognitive ability/help with feeding and everything is on the assisted living floor but I didn’t really stress those aspects in my application. My adviser said it would be fine to list as clinical, but I’m worried now in hindsight bc some ppl have said it doesn’t count and I don’t think I really did a good job describing it as clinical.

Besides that had about ~300 other clinical. Am I just being neurotic? I’m kind of worried. Thanks
I agree with your advisor that in general, it will "Count," depending on how you described your patient population. The feeding component, I would not count, but the help with mobility/leading activities for maintaining cognitive ability would. (Perhaps you can work it into a Secondary essay.) To put the two components into perspective, the personal interaction one on one would be more highly regarded than standing in front of a group and leading a class. So I think you did fine in describing the activity.

For any adcomm who does not consider Assisted Living involvement as "clinical," the 300 other hours would be above average for the vast majority of med schools, regardless.
 
I agree with your advisor that in general, it will "Count," depending on how you described your patient population. The feeding component, I would not count, but the help with mobility/leading activities for maintaining cognitive ability would. (Perhaps you can work it into a Secondary essay.) To put the two components into perspective, the personal interaction one on one would be more highly regarded than standing in front of a group and leading a class. So I think you did fine in describing the activity.

For any adcomm who does not consider Assisted Living involvement as "clinical," the 300 other hours would be above average for the vast majority of med schools, regardless.
Hi Catalystik, Sorry if this is not the correct way to reach out, I am new to SDN. I had a question about contacts and activates. For the Fulbright, I do not have a specific contact name I could reliably put down due to time differences. Would it be alright to put down the contact at my former college's fellowships office since they would be much easier to reach out to? Additionally, one of my activities is serving as an English tutor, but this is something I do with a family I know from my host country. Who could I put down as a contact for this? Thank you for taking a look at this!
 
I had a question about contacts and activates. 1) For the Fulbright, I do not have a specific contact name I could reliably put down due to time differences. Would it be alright to put down the contact at my former college's fellowships office since they would be much easier to reach out to? 2) Additionally, one of my activities is serving as an English tutor, but this is something I do with a family I know from my host country. Who could I put down as a contact for this? Thank you for taking a look at this!
1) Yes.
2) Use one of the adults in the family. In the description include the best language for a Contact to use, if they are not comfortable with English.
 
Hi SDN community, I have a question about reporting anticipated hours in AMCAS. I’m reapplying, and from what I remember of last year’s application, there were instructions to only report hours as anticipated if they were already scheduled. This year I don’t see that note in the instructions and I don’t see anything about it in the AAMC’s materials or other online resources. It seems like this year it would be fine to report hours I expect to complete by matriculation, even if they’re not specifically scheduled yet (eg, for a volunteer activity where I’m called in on an as-needed basis, so I can estimate how many more hours I expect to get but there’s no guarantee), but I don’t want to do the wrong thing. Does anyone know for sure what hours I’m supposed to report as anticipated? Thank you for any advice.
 
Hi SDN community, I have a question about reporting anticipated hours in AMCAS. I’m reapplying, and from what I remember of last year’s application, there were instructions to only report hours as anticipated if they were already scheduled. This year I don’t see that note in the instructions and I don’t see anything about it in the AAMC’s materials or other online resources. It seems like this year it would be fine to report hours I expect to complete by matriculation, even if they’re not specifically scheduled yet (eg, for a volunteer activity where I’m called in on an as-needed basis, so I can estimate how many more hours I expect to get but there’s no guarantee), but I don’t want to do the wrong thing. Does anyone know for sure what hours I’m supposed to report as anticipated? Thank you for any advice.
It's fine to report anticipated hours so long as it is clear what hours you have already completed. If the future hours are in any way iffy, you might consider mentioning them as an aside in your narrative, like, "In addition to the above hours, I hope to complete XX to YYY more hours by (date)," rather than including those hours in the header's Total Hours space. We see all too often that those hours never happen, due to life circumstance.
 
It's fine to report anticipated hours so long as it is clear what hours you have already completed. If the future hours are in any way iffy, you might consider mentioning them as an aside in your narrative, like, "In addition to the above hours, I hope to complete XX to YYY more hours by (date)," rather than including those hours in the header's Total Hours space. We see all too often that those hours never happen, due to life circumstance.
Thank you, that's very helpful.
 
It's fine to report anticipated hours so long as it is clear what hours you have already completed. If the future hours are in any way iffy, you might consider mentioning them as an aside in your narrative, like, "In addition to the above hours, I hope to complete XX to YYY more hours by (date)," rather than including those hours in the header's Total Hours space. We see all too often that those hours never happen, due to life circumstance.
Hi Catalystik, I had another question. For activities where I was a volunteer, but also held a leadership position, should I put volunteer or leadership as the activity type on AMCAS? Thanks for looking at this! To help give some context, I was an assistant coach and president of a volunteering organization.
 
For activities where I was a volunteer, but also held a leadership position, should I put volunteer or leadership as the activity type on AMCAS? Thanks for looking at this! To help give some context, I was an assistant coach and president of a volunteering organization.
How long were you with the organization before taking on the leadership role? How many hours were from leadership only? If the roles co-existed, what percent of the time were you leading?
 
How long were you with the organization before taking on the leadership role? How many hours were from leadership only? If the roles co-existed, what percent of the time were you leading?
If you consider coaching itself as leadership, then the whole time for that activity. For the volunteer organization, I am an alumni now and help out, but in college I was in a leadership role 3/4 years. I hope this answers your question? Basically, since I feel as though both activities can qualify as leadership and volunteering, I am wondering which is more advantageous to list as. I am not sure if listing something as leadership means schools do not count that activity as volunteering anymore?
 
If you consider coaching itself as leadership, then the whole time for that activity. For the volunteer organization, I am an alumni now and help out, but in college I was in a leadership role 3/4 years. I hope this answers your question? Basically, since I feel as though both activities can qualify as leadership and volunteering, I am wondering which is more advantageous to list as. I am not sure if listing something as leadership means schools do not count that activity as volunteering anymore?
I consider coaching to be a form of teaching. You can tag it as Teaching or Volunteer, whichever is best to balance your application.

For the second activity, can you split out the leadership from the volunteer aspect and have enough hours for two slots (taking care not to double count the hours)?
 
Thank you, that is very helpful. I will leave coaching as volunteering then, as I did a Fulbright and used teaching there as a tag. And I do not have enough room to do that unfortunately for your second suggestion. What would you recommend? Also, another quick question. A lot of my hours are easy to calculate since I had contacts who could tell me how many hours I had. Now that I am three years out of college, I am having difficulty estimating the activities for 2 activities I did more than 1000 hours on. I do not want to overestimate, any advice on your end on how to address that?
 
Thank you, that is very helpful. I will leave coaching as volunteering then, as I did a Fulbright and used teaching there as a tag. And I do not have enough room to do that unfortunately for your second suggestion. What would you recommend? Also, another quick question. A lot of my hours are easy to calculate since I had contacts who could tell me how many hours I had. Now that I am three years out of college, I am having difficulty estimating the activities for 2 activities I did more than 1000 hours on. I do not want to overestimate, any advice on your end on how to address that?
For the second activity, I suggest tagging it as Volunteer, but mentioning the leadership role in the name you give the space. In the narrative, state the date you assumed the leadership role (roughly) and the percent time dedicated to that role.

If you are not sure of the hours, enter a 999 (code for unknowable hours).
 
Ok, thank you so much for all of your help. I really appreciate you answering my questions at 10 at night haha. I am very stressed about being late, but because of your help, I can submit it tomorrow now. Thank you!
 
Hi! I have a question about combining two of my activities together under one entry. I wanted to combine two of my volunteer experiences to 1) save space 2) increase hours since they were done in same time in basically same location 3) one was an unofficial neighborhood donation effort and one was more official with a food pantry, so the former doesn't have an official leader/ member to put down as a contact. My question is do people just list contact information from one of the activities?
 
Hi! I have a question about combining two of my activities together under one entry. I wanted to combine two of my volunteer experiences to 1) save space 2) increase hours since they were done in same time in basically same location 3) one was an unofficial neighborhood donation effort and one was more official with a food pantry, so the former doesn't have an official leader/ member to put down as a contact. My question is do people just list contact information from one of the activities?
Ideally you’d list someone from each activity to attest to your involvement (one in the header and the other in the narrative) even if it’s a co-volunteer, or a roommate who knows about it. If that’s not possible, just list one contact, but from the secondary activity’s decription make it evident that the experience was solitary.
 
Hello, I have a question about separating an activity. I have a leadership (VP) role at my University for a chapter of an organization known as Remote Area Medical. Our org is split into two parts, we have the University side which we use to both travel to healthcare clinics in remote areas of the U.S., we take student volunteers on these trips (I have a good amount of clinical volunteering I would like to use on my application from these trips). The other half of our org is we established a non-profit so we would be able to host a clinic in our city, so we are considered the host group (we have to look for sponsors, secure a location, find physician volunteers, etc. ), which I also play a role in. Based on your experience, would you separate these two parts of my club, the first as clinical volunteering, and the other as non-clinical volunteering (or leadership), or would you put it all under one category? (A note to keep in mind is I have over 1800 hours of clinical exposure, but that's from work, so I'd like to have some explicit clinical volunteering on my app. I have around 100-110 hours from my local hospital of volunteering from first two years at University, but that's not a lot).
I suggest that separating them would be your best plan, using Volunteer-Clinical and Leadership ( if your description supports that).
 
Got it. Thank you so much. Also, based on how I described my activity, am I able to list it as non-clinical volunteering or is it simply leadership I don’t want to be dishonest about how I’m representing it. I founded the chapter with my friends, and it’s technically both an organization at our school and a non-profit to allow us to crowdfund for the clinic we are hosting in our city. I’m just not sure if the hours towards setting up and other things count as volunteering or if that’s just something else.
If you call it Leadership, the activity should be mostly a leadership role. If it’s, say, 25% leadership and 75% volunteering otherwise, then call it Volunteer (which includes the leadership components), but include in the space’s title a reference to the leadership role. In the body of your decription mention the percent of the Toal Hours that were wholly leadership.
 
Hello, I have a question about separating an activity. I have a leadership (VP) role at my University for a chapter of an organization known as Remote Area Medical. Our org is split into two parts, we have the University side which we use to both travel to healthcare clinics in remote areas of the U.S., we take student volunteers on these trips (I have a good amount of clinical volunteering I would like to use on my application from these trips). The other half of our org is we established a non-profit so we would be able to host a clinic in our city, so we are considered the host group (we have to look for sponsors, secure a location, find physician volunteers, etc. ), which I also play a role in. Based on your experience, would you separate these two parts of my club, the first as clinical volunteering, and the other as non-clinical volunteering (or leadership), or would you put it all under one category? (A note to keep in mind is I have over 1800 hours of clinical exposure, but that's from work, so I'd like to have some explicit clinical volunteering on my app. I have around 100-110 hours from my local hospital of volunteering from first two years at University, but that's not a lot).
I did RAM as well! I would suggest you split it into two - one under leadership for involvement in your university chapter, and one under volunteering for the actual clinics! The work done and skillset used in the university chapter is significantly different than when you actually go into the field for the weekend clinics, so I think both deserve their time to shine 🙂
 
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