I’m a DO applicant with essentially the exact same step 2 and class rank. Applying to the same big name/top tiers just to see what happens as well. We can do this experiment together lol
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It can be tough to crack into the tippy top places without AOA at a low tier medical school, but your clinical grades and scores are great. Your list looks reasonable. Rush, Tufts, and Kaiser are def not 'reaches' more safety/targets. If you don't have an aversion to the cities Brown and BIDMC are worth adding. Can also consider WashU and Indiana in midwest. You don't need so many safeties.
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Be careful about some of the 'target' programs as a DO. I know both Wisconsin and Iowa take pretty much zero DO's.
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The problem is, you can't really predict which programs are/not going to give you app a shot. But you've got a much better chance at a place like Iowa than you do at Duke.
I will also say that just because a program doesn't have DOs in it's current/recent class, doesn't mean they don't consider DOs for interview/ranking.
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Thank you so much for the response. What are your thoughts on my research? Do you think that may prevent me from matching at top 30ish places?
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If a program with 50+ residents per year does not have a single DO on its roster, I would safely say thats not a DO friendly program
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Some research is better than no research IMO especially if you have something to show for it
The value of research for matching into IM is minor compared to clinical grades/class rank/scores/AOA. Would having a first author be better? Sure, but not having any isn't the type of thing that would be held against you.
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Hello everyone,
I was wondering if you guys can give me some advice on ranking order for IM. Tbh I do care about location, but I’m willing to sacrifice location for the smoothest possible journey to Gastroenterology.
List in no order: Stanford, UCSD, USC, Beth Israel, Cornell, Mayo, UPENN, Irvine, Rush, Cedar Sinai
I was wondering if you guys can give me some advice on ranking order for IM. Tbh I do care about location, but I’m willing to sacrifice location for the smoothest possible journey to Gastroenterology.
List in no order: Stanford, UCSD, USC, Beth Israel, Cornell, Mayo, UPENN, Irvine, Rush, Cedar Sinai
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List them in an order that matters to you. Nobody but you can tell you what matters to you in a program.
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Done. Next time please just report.
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Last year, there was a large, separate, "Help me rank" thread for IM. Isn't that a little bit different from WAMC?
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Deciding this portion of my rank list- MGH, BIDMC, Penn, Columbia. A bit worried about the amount of 24 hr call at MGH. Interested in PCCM, may want to do academics in the future but not 100% certain. For some reason doesn't seem like this is the top of your rank list and if thats the case...
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1. Moved to the WAMC megathread
2. Relax. Do some dumb stuff that checks some boxes and move on. Nobody really cares about that stuff anyway.
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Hopefully this is the right thread for this, wanted to chance myself for a mid/lower tier academic program which can match cards.
Med School: Low tier MD
M1-M2 grades: probably 3rd or 2nd quartile
M3-4 grades: 3H 3HP, Honored IM shelf scores likely second/1st quartile (did best on IM and surgery shelves)
Class rank: 2nd or 3rd quartile (not sure yet)
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: no clue (shelf scores have been top 10%+ last few shelves and step 1 practice scores were 250s so hopefully around 250, will take in 2 months)
AOA: No
GHHS: No
Research: couple of case reports in cards, IM abstract, some QI projects/posters third author for some psych/PMR papers earlier in med school. Working on a super cool cards project as first author but will see if it gets published in time
Extracurriculars: kinda sucks here. I won a few hackathons and was working on a patent for a stroke recovery glove in undergrad. During med mainly just did tutoring and mentorship cuz I liked it and other than that focused on doing hobbies like cooking and gaming(I reached masters in a videogame if that's worth anything XD)
LORs: IM chair, Cardiologist who went to my top program (CCF is my dream), department letter, hopefully letters from whoever I do my AIs with
Geographic Signaling: East North central, Middle Atlantic, South Atlantic
Red flags: None
I wanted to know if I'd be a competitive applicant assuming I can pull of a 250 (I think I can go for higher and will try but at current stage would be a bit premature to say I'll get a high score) step 2 score for schools like Cinci and Rochester, or at the very least programs from which people can match cardiology. I intend to continue doing cards research 4th year and whatever else it may take to help my application.
Med School: Low tier MD
M1-M2 grades: probably 3rd or 2nd quartile
M3-4 grades: 3H 3HP, Honored IM shelf scores likely second/1st quartile (did best on IM and surgery shelves)
Class rank: 2nd or 3rd quartile (not sure yet)
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: no clue (shelf scores have been top 10%+ last few shelves and step 1 practice scores were 250s so hopefully around 250, will take in 2 months)
AOA: No
GHHS: No
Research: couple of case reports in cards, IM abstract, some QI projects/posters third author for some psych/PMR papers earlier in med school. Working on a super cool cards project as first author but will see if it gets published in time
Extracurriculars: kinda sucks here. I won a few hackathons and was working on a patent for a stroke recovery glove in undergrad. During med mainly just did tutoring and mentorship cuz I liked it and other than that focused on doing hobbies like cooking and gaming(I reached masters in a videogame if that's worth anything XD)
LORs: IM chair, Cardiologist who went to my top program (CCF is my dream), department letter, hopefully letters from whoever I do my AIs with
Geographic Signaling: East North central, Middle Atlantic, South Atlantic
Red flags: None
I wanted to know if I'd be a competitive applicant assuming I can pull of a 250 (I think I can go for higher and will try but at current stage would be a bit premature to say I'll get a high score) step 2 score for schools like Cinci and Rochester, or at the very least programs from which people can match cardiology. I intend to continue doing cards research 4th year and whatever else it may take to help my application.
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I think the very top tier programs are probably out of reach (though probably worth applying to a few of them, especially if you do well on Step 2) but CCF and other similar places you'll get a look and stand a decent chance of an interview. Cincinatti and Rochester should be well within your wheelhouse.
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Hello. I am a MS3 at a low tier medical school. I passed all my preclinical classes, and have gotten all Ps and one HP on my clinical rotations. The breakdown for my class is around 65% get Ps. I have one red flag. I had to take an academic leave of absence because I failed my gateway test for taking STEP1. My parent was in the hospital and I was their health care power of attorney during my time studying for my gateway exam. My school does not let us take a 3 month or 6 month leave of absence so I had to take a year. During my time off, I passed STEP 1 on my first try. I also got 1 publication, 5 poster presentations, and 3 oral presentations. Overall I have 1 publication, 8 poster presentations, and 3 oral presentations. I am applying both neurology and IM (back up) for next year. I can see myself doing PCCM, Rheumatology, and heme/onc.
I am applying to around 40 IM programs. I will have no fails on my transcript (the gateway exam is not put on our transcript). I have research, leadership, and volunteering as well. I am also a URM and am bilingual (spanish). I was wondering if my list is realistic for IM programs since I need to start applying for at least a few IM away rotations to get letters. Below are some of the programs I am aiming for. They are mostly community, community-university affiliated or low tier MD programs.
-ETSU TN
-Virginia Mason Medical Center WA
-UH MetroHealth OH
-UMMS-Baystate MA
-Mainline Health/Lankenuae PA
-Providence Health/St. Vincent Portland OR
-Hennepin Healthcare Program MI
-Abbott-Northwestern MI
-EVMS VA
- FSU Tallahassee FL
- TIGMER San Antonio
Should I be aiming higher, lower, or are these realistic programs for me. Thanks in advance.
I am applying to around 40 IM programs. I will have no fails on my transcript (the gateway exam is not put on our transcript). I have research, leadership, and volunteering as well. I am also a URM and am bilingual (spanish). I was wondering if my list is realistic for IM programs since I need to start applying for at least a few IM away rotations to get letters. Below are some of the programs I am aiming for. They are mostly community, community-university affiliated or low tier MD programs.
-ETSU TN
-Virginia Mason Medical Center WA
-UH MetroHealth OH
-UMMS-Baystate MA
-Mainline Health/Lankenuae PA
-Providence Health/St. Vincent Portland OR
-Hennepin Healthcare Program MI
-Abbott-Northwestern MI
-EVMS VA
- FSU Tallahassee FL
- TIGMER San Antonio
Should I be aiming higher, lower, or are these realistic programs for me. Thanks in advance.
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Not sure if you should aim higher or lower. Just want to say that I rotated at FSU Tallahassee program and its pretty awesome. The preceptors are nice and the PD is a literal saint. One of the most caring individuals I have ever met. (They also matched PCCMx2, rheum (I think) and endo).
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Med School: USMD mid-tier, midwest
M1-M2 grades: P/F, Pass
M3-4 grades: Honors 5/7 3rd year including IM. Advisor said my MSPE comments are very good but not sure what this means.
Step 1: P
Step 2: TBD (but expecting ~260 based on good shelf exam scores)
Class rank: 1st quartile
AOA: nominated, not sure if will be awarded
GHHS: No
Research: 3 middle author pubs, 15 total research items
Extracurriculars: Average to below average leadership/volunteer experiences/prior work experience
LORs: 2 from consult services, 1 sub I, 1 research letter. Believe all will be strong.
Goals: the fellowship I want to match into is very competitive
The advising at my school is not great so I was wondering which sorts of programs I would be competitive for.
Reach
Target
Cleveland Clinic
UVA
Colorado
UNC
UPMC
Safety
Hennepin County
Pennsylvania Hospital
JHU Bayview
M1-M2 grades: P/F, Pass
M3-4 grades: Honors 5/7 3rd year including IM. Advisor said my MSPE comments are very good but not sure what this means.
Step 1: P
Step 2: TBD (but expecting ~260 based on good shelf exam scores)
Class rank: 1st quartile
AOA: nominated, not sure if will be awarded
GHHS: No
Research: 3 middle author pubs, 15 total research items
Extracurriculars: Average to below average leadership/volunteer experiences/prior work experience
LORs: 2 from consult services, 1 sub I, 1 research letter. Believe all will be strong.
Goals: the fellowship I want to match into is very competitive
The advising at my school is not great so I was wondering which sorts of programs I would be competitive for.
Reach
| UCSF |
| BWH |
| MGH |
| JHH |
| Duke |
| Penn |
| Columbia |
| WashU St. Louis |
| Michigan |
| Mayo |
| Cornell |
| Northwestern |
| UTSW |
| UCLA |
| Vanderbilt |
| UChicago |
| Stanford |
| Univ of Washington |
| BIDMC |
| Yale |
| Baylor |
| NYU |
| Sinai |
| UCSD |
| Emory |
Target
| Case Western Reserve |
| Brown |
| Wisconsin |
| BU |
| Ohio State |
| Rush |
UVA
Colorado
UNC
UPMC
Safety
| Georgetown |
| Maryland |
| Temple |
| Minnesota |
| VCU (Virginia Commonwealth) |
| Wake Forest |
| UIC |
| Cincinnati |
| UT Houston |
| Montefiore |
| Rochester |
| UC Davis |
| Rutgers RWJ |
| UC Irvine |
| Cedars-Sinai |
| Loyola |
| Tufts |
| Dartmouth |
| SKMC Jefferson |
Pennsylvania Hospital
JHU Bayview
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I’d put most of your reach and safety programs in the same broad category of upper-mid to mid-tier academic programs, and I agree that you should be a strong candidate for these types of places. You might also get some interviews from the bottom 2/3 of your reach list, especially those in the Midwest. Fanciest programs are extremely unlikely unless you end up with AOA and stellar step 2, then still a long shot. I don’t think you need to apply to community places unless you’re particularly excited about the program or location.
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Thank you @OncOncOnc! I have some research projects in the works that I am trying to push to be published before the ERAS deadline. Do you think that having 2-3 more publications would help with where I would receive interviews?
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Hi! If anyone is able to help me curate my program list, I would greatly appreciate it. I have a pretty good grasp of West Coast IM programs, but am unsure of what strong programs for heme onc on the East Coast/Mid-West/Texas programs I may be competitive for. Have some ties to New England area so hopefully I'm not just written off from programs outside of the West.
Med School: USMD Mid-tier T30 west coast
M1-M2 grades: Pass
M3-4 grades: Honors 4/7 3rd year. HP 3/7. No honors in IM unfortunately
Step 1: P
Step 2: 270
Class rank: 1st or 2nd quartile unsure
AOA: nominated, am told will likely receive
GHHS: nominated, am told will likely receive
Research: 4 middle author papers, couple of first author abstract/poster presentations, 11 total research items
Extracurriculars: Above average good leadership/volunteer experience in health policy, med ed, and advocacy
LORs: 1 from consult service, 1 from IM clerkship, 1 research. All likely average letters
Goals: Interested in heme onc!
Med School: USMD Mid-tier T30 west coast
M1-M2 grades: Pass
M3-4 grades: Honors 4/7 3rd year. HP 3/7. No honors in IM unfortunately
Step 1: P
Step 2: 270
Class rank: 1st or 2nd quartile unsure
AOA: nominated, am told will likely receive
GHHS: nominated, am told will likely receive
Research: 4 middle author papers, couple of first author abstract/poster presentations, 11 total research items
Extracurriculars: Above average good leadership/volunteer experience in health policy, med ed, and advocacy
LORs: 1 from consult service, 1 from IM clerkship, 1 research. All likely average letters
Goals: Interested in heme onc!
More research never hurts, especially if you’re first author and/or have a strong story to tell about your research trajectory via your personal statement and recs. A very strong step 2 score would also help to differentiate you from the pack.
Med School: Mid low tier MD
M1-M2 grades: P
M3 grades: 1 honors , rest HP (IM included), 1 pass
M4 grades: in progress
Class rank: 2nd quartile
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: low 260s
AOA: No
GHHS: No
Research: 2 1st author publications (1 a case report) with 6-7 additional pubs, 2-3 posters,1 abstract
Extracurriculars: various med school leaderships and volunteering positions
Geographic Signaling: don't really care
Red flags: Not yet?
Hi everyone, I know my app is not quite complete (def not as competitive as many on here) and there is still quite some time before the next ERAS cycle begins. My eventual goal is to go for a competitive fellowship, so really hoping for an academic IM spot. Is it delusional/extremely risky to only apply academic programs when I am making the list? Thanks for the input.
M1-M2 grades: P
M3 grades: 1 honors , rest HP (IM included), 1 pass
M4 grades: in progress
Class rank: 2nd quartile
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: low 260s
AOA: No
GHHS: No
Research: 2 1st author publications (1 a case report) with 6-7 additional pubs, 2-3 posters,1 abstract
Extracurriculars: various med school leaderships and volunteering positions
Geographic Signaling: don't really care
Red flags: Not yet?
Hi everyone, I know my app is not quite complete (def not as competitive as many on here) and there is still quite some time before the next ERAS cycle begins. My eventual goal is to go for a competitive fellowship, so really hoping for an academic IM spot. Is it delusional/extremely risky to only apply academic programs when I am making the list? Thanks for the input.
No, as long as you include some less competitive (lower tier and/or geographically less desirable) academic programs. A middle of the pack U.S. MD with a strong step 2 score, some research, and no red flags should do just fine.
You’re competitive for the same kinds of programs as Pacific_Ocean, many of which are very good for heme onc. A non-exhaustive list of mid-Atlantic and Midwestern programs to consider: Jefferson, Penn (reach), Maryland, Bayview, Georgetown, UVA, Pitt, Case Western, Cleveland Clinic, Ohio State, Indiana, Michigan, any of the Chicago academic programs (U Chicago and Northwestern are reaches), Wisconsin, Minnesota, Mayo if you can tolerate the location.
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Follow up; my quartile overall will likely be 3rd (shelf scores don't count towards quartile and my preclinical grades were 3rd quartile while 3H seems average/slightly above average for my school). I do have the option of my mspe not including class rank; should I take this option? Additionally to be clear I missed my honors in surgery and OB by evaluations, as we need to honor all of our domains to honor a clerkship (still has strong comments) was wondering if that's going to hurt a lot. Step studying is going well hoping 255+ based on practice. Wondering if this affects my target list (CCF, CWRU, OSU, Cinci, Rochester, fine with Buffalo/MCW so far)
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Can delete if not appropriate for this thread, but was hoping to get some input on my med-peds program list as there isn't a med-peds WAMC and the med-peds forum isn't super active.
Med School: USMD, Mid tier
M1-M2 grades: Pass
M3-4 grades: All honors (7/7)
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: 28X
Class rank: 1st quartile
AOA: Yes
GHHS: No
Research: 2 pubs before med school, 5 pubs during med school (2 first authors), 2 pubs submitted by ERAS time, 4 posters. Awarded a few specialty society research grants.
Extracurriculars: Global health work and longitudinal mentoring. A few leadership/service positions. Some semi-interesting hobbies
LORs: Should all be strong - IM attending, peds sub-I, research mentor from outside institution
Geographic: Prefer to be in Midwest, east coast, or southeast
Goals: one of the very non-competitive fellowships lol, though having a program with strong research infrastructure is important to me.
Currently have about 30 programs on my list (there are 79 med-peds programs in the US FYI). Can any people with med-peds knowledge weigh in on whether I should add a few more programs to be on the safe side?
Reach: MGH, BWH, Duke, UPenn, UCLA, UMich, Vanderbilt, UChicago
Target/Safety: UNC, Baylor, UTSW, UMinnesota, UT Houston, Ohio State, Case Western, UIC-Chicago, UIC-Peoria, Colorado, UMass, Yale, Brown, Cinci, Rush, Loyola, UAB, Tulane, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Indiana, MUSC, MCW
Thanks!!!
Med School: USMD, Mid tier
M1-M2 grades: Pass
M3-4 grades: All honors (7/7)
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: 28X
Class rank: 1st quartile
AOA: Yes
GHHS: No
Research: 2 pubs before med school, 5 pubs during med school (2 first authors), 2 pubs submitted by ERAS time, 4 posters. Awarded a few specialty society research grants.
Extracurriculars: Global health work and longitudinal mentoring. A few leadership/service positions. Some semi-interesting hobbies
LORs: Should all be strong - IM attending, peds sub-I, research mentor from outside institution
Geographic: Prefer to be in Midwest, east coast, or southeast
Goals: one of the very non-competitive fellowships lol, though having a program with strong research infrastructure is important to me.
Currently have about 30 programs on my list (there are 79 med-peds programs in the US FYI). Can any people with med-peds knowledge weigh in on whether I should add a few more programs to be on the safe side?
Reach: MGH, BWH, Duke, UPenn, UCLA, UMich, Vanderbilt, UChicago
Target/Safety: UNC, Baylor, UTSW, UMinnesota, UT Houston, Ohio State, Case Western, UIC-Chicago, UIC-Peoria, Colorado, UMass, Yale, Brown, Cinci, Rush, Loyola, UAB, Tulane, Rochester, Pittsburgh, Indiana, MUSC, MCW
Thanks!!!
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Id say youre an ever so slightly above avg applicant with your research and ghhs. id move UVA Brown and BU to (high) target and move Dartmouth Wake and Rochester to target. Penn is a mega reach and Emory is a reach. Everything else looks good. Add in Jeff Stony Brook MUSC Tufts UConn and Hofstra to targets
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If you get AOA just apply to the T15 and youre good lol well done. Either way the only reaches without AOA are the big 4 bc well..theyre the big 4. Move UMich UCLA Vandy and UChi to target
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did you mean to write this to @betalactam
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I know a person that matched med-ped at one of the top 4 this year. your stats are slightly better. their S2 was in the 270 range and no AOA. You have a good shot.
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Not saying these are a reach, but some of your target/safety category would be of similar or higher to some of your reach tier: Yale, Baylor, UTSW
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his only reaches are big 4. they love aoa and T10 med schools
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That’s plenty of programs. I had a less impressive app, applied to 26ish?, and ended up having to turn down several interview offers. Med peds may be a little less predictable because of small program size and bigger focus on non-stat factors, but if you can sell your interest well you’ll definitely land somewhere good
seems like you’re kind of all over the place geographically? If you feel like adjusting your list at all, I think for med peds specifically and with the strength of your app, it’s worth thinking a bit more about fit and not just shotgunning by ranking/stats
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Don’t fail anything else and crush step 2 if you can. You will match IM, but not at your top choices. It will be ok
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They're certainly not a reach, just stating those programs would be in the same category as the others outside of the Big 3 (I'd argue Hopkins is easier to get into than some of the T20s)
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Is hopkins really easier to get into than T20s? It's literally one of the big 4 so that's very surprising to me, haven't heard that from anyone else
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The big 4 are exceptionally hard to get into in the IM world and if anyone has a shot that poster does. he has an absolutely outstanding application no doubt but I can't emphasize enough how much they like AOA and med school pedigree. I would argue most applicants matching at the Big 4 in IM could easily match into Derm or surgical subs at strong programs. it is that competitive. Do i think he'll get interview at most of them yes but matching there is another hurdle. If his school has AOA and he gets AOA I would say we could move it down to target. Just my thoughts
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What's the (rough) cutoff for "med school pedigree" for these programs? T10? T30?
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I assume you're not reading my post as I'm intending or I'm writing it ****tly haha
I'm saying the poster 100% has a shot at the big 4 lol
I got 3 of the 4 without anywhere near his level of app. (Low 270s, unranked, zero research, but AOA all honors)
I'm just saying that other programs on his list aren't grouped together as I would group them, but yes there are no reach programs for this individual. And that specifically Hopkins is a lot easier of the big 4 to get into, easier than many other T20s (or at least people frequently rank those over it)
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Hopkins has a very ****ty schedule. If you look at their match list, you'll notice far less T10 med schools represented among their interns. Most people I know who interviewed at Hopkins did not rank it in their top 3, in fact most not even in their top 5 mainly due to the schedule (and location, esp compared to the other Big 3). As an extreme example, I had a colleague who ranked Hopkins #12. I ranked it #15, but the couples match process tbf did have a huge impact on that. If you look at the excel sheet from reddit on this past years interview cycle I think no one had Hopkins in their top 3 unless it was one of their only T20 programs.
No one will argue it isn't a great program. You'll leave as an excellent clinician. It's a golden ticket to any fellowship of your choice, but for 99% of people they can achieve that with a better schedule/location at one of the T20s-30s.
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Wow, you're right. I just looked at the schedule on their website. Q3 or Q4 28s on most of the services. 6+2. F@ck that
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I would hate to match at hopkins for IM even though its hopkins. The schedule and culture is miserable
Med School: Mid-tier, Northeast
M1-M2 grades: Pass/Fail; all pass
M3 grades: All Honors, 1 pass (peds)
M4 grades: All Honors
Class rank: No school rankings, but upper quartile.
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: 257
AOA: Unlikely
GHHS: Unlikely
Research: 8 submissions/publications (2 published, 6 submitted, 6 first author), 8 abstracts/presentations (1-2 were also published, so 10?. Was not presenter for the majority); will graduate with a distinction in research.
Extracurriculars: employed school tutor, president of multiple interest groups/clubs, nothing exciting here
LORs: 1 letter surgical sub-specialty (research), 1 IM elective letter, 1 ICU or IM letter, chair letter
Geographic Signaling: Mid/Upper East coast area
Red flags: None
Step2 was much lower than predicted, so I would love input on how competitive I am as an applicant for IM broadly speaking so I can draft a somewhat accurate list first.
M1-M2 grades: Pass/Fail; all pass
M3 grades: All Honors, 1 pass (peds)
M4 grades: All Honors
Class rank: No school rankings, but upper quartile.
Step 1: Pass
Step 2: 257
AOA: Unlikely
GHHS: Unlikely
Research: 8 submissions/publications (2 published, 6 submitted, 6 first author), 8 abstracts/presentations (1-2 were also published, so 10?. Was not presenter for the majority); will graduate with a distinction in research.
Extracurriculars: employed school tutor, president of multiple interest groups/clubs, nothing exciting here
LORs: 1 letter surgical sub-specialty (research), 1 IM elective letter, 1 ICU or IM letter, chair letter
Geographic Signaling: Mid/Upper East coast area
Red flags: None
Step2 was much lower than predicted, so I would love input on how competitive I am as an applicant for IM broadly speaking so I can draft a somewhat accurate list first.
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You are competitive
Any advice/examples of what groups/tiers of programs I should be looking to add in my reach vs target?
Feel like “competitive” in IM is very broad
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Pick some locations and some programs. "Competitive" in IM means, "you can just look at programs and cities that interest you for whatever reason". That's all it is. Make a list and bring it back here.
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Come back to us with a list of programs you like based on geograph preference and whatever else you look for in a program. Youll likely match within the T30. Youre honestly competitive for a lot of places-you may get some T10 interviews you may not just really depends on who likes your app but you have certainly checked all the boxes as being competitive. Im getting vibes that you were going for surgical sub and then now applying IM backup due to dropping on your S2 than predicted? maybe im wrong but a 257 is a killer score regardless
For sure will make a list and come back!
You’re somewhat right, but nah not back up, I decided to switch to IM a few months before taking step.
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