Ohio U contract?

[Just Joshin]

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Is it true that OU requires you to say you'll practice in Ohio for five years following residency?

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

If you are an OOS I believe this is the case

 

[Concubine]

Is it true that OU requires you to say you'll practice in Ohio for five years following residency?

Yes, however their are some allowances (from what I understand).

A. If you do a primary care residency in the state of Ohio that is AOA approved, each year will count as 1.5 years towards the 5 year commitment.

B. If you do an AOA approved non-primary care residency, each year will count towards 1 year of the contract.

C. You can buy out, but it is extremely expensive.

 

[MossPoh]

i personally don't think the contract is that horrendous. It is not like you are in some blackhole or ghetto. It is frickin ohio. Plenty of solid residencies available in the state. I think the worst part would be dealing with buckeye fans.

 

[EEL08]

i personally don't think the contract is that horrendous. It is not like you are in some blackhole or ghetto. It is frickin ohio. Plenty of solid residencies available in the state. I think the worst part would be dealing with buckeye fans.

It depends though. I personally would hate the idea of being stuck. If you did do one of the approved residencies that matched year for year then you might have one or two years left that you MUST practice in Ohio. What if you hate living in Ohio? What if you are ready to start your own practice in say, California, but instead you have to find a job in the meantime until you can get the heck out? That being said, there is nothing wrong with Ohio, I would just hate knowing I was in a binding contract to stay if I didn't want to.

 

[Isoprop]

which is why ou attracts more ohio residents. we're on our way out anyway!

 

[Just Joshin]

i personally don't think the contract is that horrendous. It is not like you are in some blackhole or ghetto. It is frickin ohio. Plenty of solid residencies available in the state. I think the worst part would be dealing with buckeye fans.

It's not horrendous. It's just that my fiancee and I want raise our children in New England where both our families are from. For me, that would be a total of nine years in Ohio with med school and then five years after. It's just not worth it.

How expensive is it to buy out? I've heard good things about the school so I'd like to apply. I'm just not sure I want to make the commitment before even starting med school. I'd feel trapped and while I'm certain Ohio is a lovely place, if I decide I just don't like it, I'll be stuck.

 

[Isoprop]

If you do an AOA approved residency (3 years) that will fulfill the requirement b/c you get 1.5 years for each year you're there. Ohio has a very strong osteopathic network, I'm quite impressed actually. So to be affiliated with these hospitals and have your choice of where to go is a bonus. One of the few DO schools that actually can keep you within the state for rotations (TCOM, MSUCOM, OSUCOM, being the other "state" schools that also have strong programs keeping people in one "area" for the majority of rotations where you're not moving halfway across the country).

this is very true. ohio is very "do friendly" i suppose you can say.

 

[EEL08]

If you do an AOA approved residency (3 years) that will fulfill the requirement b/c you get 1.5 years for each year you're there. Ohio has a very strong osteopathic network, I'm quite impressed actually. So to be affiliated with these hospitals and have your choice of where to go is a bonus. One of the few DO schools that actually can keep you within the state for rotations (TCOM, MSUCOM, OSUCOM, being the other "state" schools that also have strong programs keeping people in one "area" for the majority of rotations where you're not moving halfway across the country).

But as I understand it that's only if you do a primary care specialty. So if you choose to do radiology that wouldn't apply. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[Isoprop]

It's not horrendous. It's just that my fiancee and I want raise our children in New England where both our families are from. For me, that would be a total of nine years in Ohio with med school and then five years after. It's just not worth it.

How expensive is it to buy out? I've heard good things about the school so I'd like to apply. I'm just not sure I want to make the commitment before even starting med school. I'd feel trapped and while I'm certain Ohio is a lovely place, if I decide I just don't like it, I'll be stuck.

honestly, i think the worst part of ohio is the winter weather, but since you're from new england, wouldn't it be an improvement for you?

and like mshheaddoc said, you could fulfil your requirements in a 3 year residency program in ohio. and the AOA residencies, i hear, are really strong in that state.

edit: and i haven't really heard of anybody buying out. but i didn't know that it existed. i've met a handful of DOs who graduated from OU, and none were OOS.

 

[Isoprop]

But as I understand it that's only if you do a primary care specialty. So if you choose to do radiology that wouldn't apply. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

for non-primary care, every year of residency counts toward the 5 year contract.

 

[EEL08]

for non-primary care, every year of residency counts toward the 5 year contract.

Exactly. So like I said earlier, depending on how long of a residency you do, you would have 1-2 years left in Ohio after completing your residency.

 

[Isoprop]

Exactly. So like I said earlier, depending on how long of a residency you do, you would have 1-2 years left in Ohio after completing your residency.

yes, but i really want to say that people may get their last year or two waived if they did a non-primary care DO residency in ohio. i think it's something i read on SDN. i'm not sure so i hope someone else can confirm/deny this.

edit: i did a search and couldn't find anything.

 

[Miggs86]

It depends though. I personally would hate the idea of being stuck. If you did do one of the approved residencies that matched year for year then you might have one or two years left that you MUST practice in Ohio. What if you hate living in Ohio? What if you are ready to start your own practice in say, California, but instead you have to find a job in the meantime until you can get the heck out? That being said, there is nothing wrong with Ohio, I would just hate knowing I was in a binding contract to stay if I didn't want to.

Yeah. Once I saw the email saying that I can go on their site to fill the supplementary (I think so, I am not exactly sure)...it said I had to sign a contract...my gusto for the school sank. Who wants to sign a contract...it is so...bind-y? lol 😀

 

[bioteach]

I was really bummed about the contract. I am originally from Ohio but am a Colorado resident. My husband and I like living out west and plan on settling in the Northwest somewhere. My husband was willing to move to Ohio for medical school and I liked the idea of OU because one of my sisters is doing her undergrad there and my family is not so far away. However, after my husband was willing to commit 4 years in the midwest, it wasn't fair to then ask him to commit another 5. If they didn't have that contract, I definately would have applied.

 

[Miggs86]

I was really bummed about the contract. I am originally from Ohio but am a Colorado resident. My husband and I like living out west and plan on settling in the Northwest somewhere. My husband was willing to move to Ohio for medical school and I liked the idea of OU because one of my sisters is doing her undergrad there and my family is not so far away. However, after my husband was willing to commit 4 years in the midwest, it wasn't fair to then ask him to commit another 5. If they didn't have that contract, I definately would have applied.

Yeah I definitely would've sent in the secondary then.

 

[scpod]

The contract is one of the reasons that I didn't apply there...well, I also hate cold weather. But, take a listen to what mshheaddoc said, because there are some pretty sweet residencies there if you are looking at osteopathic ones. I'm actually looking at several places in Ohio to do fourth year rotations because they look pretty impressive. Never thought I'd say it, because I hate winter, but I could easily end up there.

 

[Just Joshin]

honestly, i think the worst part of ohio is the winter weather, but since you're from new england, wouldn't it be an improvement for you?

and like mshheaddoc said, you could fulfil your requirements in a 3 year residency program in ohio. and the AOA residencies, i hear, are really strong in that state.

edit: and i haven't really heard of anybody buying out. but i didn't know that it existed. i've met a handful of DOs who graduated from OU, and none were OOS.

It's not the weather I'm objecting to.

I could fulfill the residency thing in three years if I do primary care, which I might not want to do. My fiancee and I want to raise our children and settle down in New England. It's one thing to go to med school some place else. It's another to commit to five years afterwards (for a possibility of NINE years) to the state.

 

[3shtr]

OU's primary mission is to train physicians to serve in Ohio. That's what they stress and this mission is also connected to their funding from the state. As a future physician that wants to practice in Ohio, I think it's great that OU is so committed to the state.

 

[Miggs86]

It's not the weather I'm objecting to.

I could fulfill the residency thing in three years if I do primary care, which I might not want to do. My fiancee and I want to raise our children and settle down in New England. It's one thing to go to med school some place else. It's another to commit to five years afterwards (for a possibility of NINE years) to the state.

yeah it's true. you don't know what could happen. i would feel like the 5 years were wasted because if you move, it's like, you've lost everything connected to that area and it's all raw. perhaps i'm dramatic.

 

[MossPoh]

You want to settle in New England, but what if you happen to get moved and really into a speciality that doesn't have many programs in your region or is super competitive. I mean, I guess I have a different viewpoint because I've always lived really far away from family, and when I did live closer I actually saw them less. Do you have kids already or just plan to? If you don't plan on having kids till later and do your residency there, then the kids might be a max of age 5....not the years one remembers too much of anyway. Plus, you still might end up moving even within the region post residency. Being choosy with locales makes everything a bit tougher, because you aren't always guaranteed a spot in that region, and even if you are still in New England, you could be upwards of 5+ hours driving anyway. Cleveland to Boston is a 10 hour drive if you go slow. I could probably do it in 8 fairly easily. That isn't too bad for those major family events, but I guess that is coming from the guy that thinks nothing of driving 20 hours.

After residency you can set up your practice pretty much anywhere you want. My dad did his residency in NYC, then did his fellowship in Miami and worked there for a few years and then we just uprooted one day and went to the midwest with no problem. If you want to california then you just go to california. Warm climate? Go there. Aside from state formalities or over-saturated markets it isn't THAT hard.

 

[Just Joshin]

You want to settle in New England, but what if you happen to get moved and really into a speciality that doesn't have many programs in your region or is super competitive. I mean, I guess I have a different viewpoint because I've always lived really far away from family, and when I did live closer I actually saw them less. Do you have kids already or just plan to? If you don't plan on having kids till later and do your residency there, then the kids might be a max of age 5....not the years one remembers too much of anyway. Plus, you still might end up moving even within the region post residency. Being choosy with locales makes everything a bit tougher, because you aren't always guaranteed a spot in that region, and even if you are still in New England, you could be upwards of 5+ hours driving anyway. Cleveland to Boston is a 10 hour drive if you go slow. I could probably do it in 8 fairly easily. That isn't too bad for those major family events, but I guess that is coming from the guy that thinks nothing of driving 20 hours.

After residency you can set up your practice pretty much anywhere you want. My dad did his residency in NYC, then did his fellowship in Miami and worked there for a few years and then we just uprooted one day and went to the midwest with no problem. If you want to california then you just go to california. Warm climate? Go there. Aside from state formalities or over-saturated markets it isn't THAT hard.

My fiancee and I are getting married this summer and want to start our family soon after. It isn't just family. We're both from there and we thing New England is the perfect place to bring up kids. We want to settle down in Vermont, New Hampshire, or Maine (good school systems, low crime, beautiful settings, outdoor activities, family close by). I realize my residency could limit us regardless, but if I go to OU, I'm committing to it. At least if I don't go, I can litter NE with residency apps and hope for the best.

It sucks though because I did like what I learned about OU, all but the contract.

 

[Isoprop]

it sounds to me you'd be happier not going to oucom. that's a shame b/c ou is great and it does suck for you that the only thing getting in the way is the contract. good luck!

 

[scpod]

I could fulfill the residency thing in three years if I do primary care, which I might not want to do. My fiancee and I want to raise our children and settle down in New England. It's one thing to go to med school some place else. It's another to commit to five years afterwards (for a possibility of NINE years) to the state.

Then think about this....Ohio has 97 current osteopathic residencies. The states of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusettes, Rhode Island, and Connecticut COMBINED have a total of 14 99 of them in Maine alone). Even if you went to med school in New England there's a darned good chance you'll be moving somewhere else for residency anyway f you do an osteopathic one.

 

[Just Joshin]

Then think about this....Ohio has 97 current osteopathic residencies. The states of Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusettes, Rhode Island, and Connecticut COMBINED have a total of 14 99 of them in Maine alone). Even if you went to med school in New England there's a darned good chance you'll be moving somewhere else for residency anyway f you do an osteopathic one.

Then I probably won't do an osteopathic one. I plan to apply to both allopathic and osteopathic residencies and right now, I'm leaning towards EM (which could change, obviously), so I'm not looking at something super competitive.

 

[Lamborghini1315]

Yes, however their are some allowances (from what I understand).

A. If you do a primary care residency in the state of Ohio that is AOA approved, each year will count as 1.5 years towards the 5 year commitment.

B. If you do an AOA approved non-primary care residency, each year will count towards 1 year of the contract.

C. You can buy out, but it is extremely expensive.

All 3 options limits your future..don't go to osucom if you have been accepted at other schools which might better your future. OSUCOM's a good school but the contract is a big negative..you cannot predict what you will do and what type of residency you may choose..a big gamble if you ask me and don't gamble on your education!

 

[DORoe]

All 3 options limits your future..don't go to osucom if you have been accepted at other schools which might better your future. OSUCOM's a good school but the contract is a big negative..you cannot predict what you will do and what type of residency you may choose..a big gamble if you ask me and don't gamble on your education!

OUCOM not OSUCOM

 

[Lamborghini1315]

OUCOM not OSUCOM

hehe alright now i know..

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

Does anyone have a recent match list from Ohio? I know most 2008 match lists aren't out but I was just curious to look at one <2 years old.

 

[Concubine]

Does anyone have a recent match list from Ohio? I know most 2008 match lists aren't out but I was just curious to look at one <2 years old.

I have a detailed match list for 2000-2005, but only a list of residency placement sites that includes up to 2008. That is all they are giving away right now...

PM me if you are interested!

 

[beckhunter116]

Bumping an old thread...

So for an OOS applicant I know we have to do the 5 yr contract, is it possible to do a residency somewhere else and come back to Ohio to practice for your commitment?

Are there any current OOS students who want to comment of their experiences and how they feel about this contract? Meaning like if you have to do your residency there and there are only 5 programs that you are interested in are you worried about matching? That is my major concern not actually having to stay in Ohio, just being able to match in whatever my interest is at that point.

 

[csmittyB]

for non-primary care, every year of residency counts toward the 5 year contract.

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is straight from the contract:

'...The applicant understands that internship, residency and postgraduate fellowships are included within postgraduate medical education and applicant understands that he/she will receive no credit toward the five (5) year requirement to practice medicine in the State of Ohio while applicant is pursuing said postgraduate medical education."

This was what kept me from sending my secondary.

 

[osteohopeful09]

Any word on the cost of the "buyout" option? Just curious 😱😎

 

[Chocolate Bear]

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is straight from the contract:

'...The applicant understands that internship, residency and postgraduate fellowships are included within postgraduate medical education and applicant understands that he/she will receive no credit toward the five (5) year requirement to practice medicine in the State of Ohio while applicant is pursuing said postgraduate medical education."

This was what kept me from sending my secondary.

Can you post the contract contents here, please? Or a link if available, but I can't quickly find one. Everyone would benefit. 🙂

 

[csmittyB]

Can you post the contract contents here, please? Or a link if available, but I can't quickly find one. Everyone would benefit. 🙂

I'll try

 

[beckhunter116]

Did you interview here CSmitty? Thanks for the contract. Anyone want to add any opinions I'm getting together my list of places to apply for the next cycle and I am really interested in OU...there 3rd/4th year seem to be really well established. I'm just leery of the contract. Any OOSers wanna give some insight into their experience here? Any regrets?

 

[SolanoDoc]

Is it true that OU requires you to say you'll practice in Ohio for five years following residency?

That is a contract for out of state students. Apparently if you are not from Ohio, the adcom will not consider your application.

 

[MalachiConstant]

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is straight from the contract:

'...The applicant understands that internship, residency and postgraduate fellowships are included within postgraduate medical education and applicant understands that he/she will receive no credit toward the five (5) year requirement to practice medicine in the State of Ohio while applicant is pursuing said postgraduate medical education."

This was what kept me from sending my secondary.

That's what the contract says, but after I was accepted, I received a letter regarding the other options for fulfilling the commitment.

(1) If an OUCOM graduate who has signed an out-of-state admission contract in order to be admitted to the Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine completes an internship and residency program in a primary care generalists discipline in an Ohio AOA approved postgraduate program, they will be eligible to apply for a waiver for one and one half years credit for each postgraduate year, provided that the entire program is completed. If the waiver is approved their five year obligation to practice medicine in Ohio will be fulfilled.

(2) If an OUCOM graduate who has signed an out-of-state admission contract in order to be admitted to the Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine completes a residency program in a specialty field other than primary care in an Ohio AOA approved postgraduate program, they will be eligible to apply for a waiver to receive credit for one year for each year completed in the residency program in a specialty field (based on the entire program being completed in a CORE program) towards their obligation to practice medicine full-time for five years in the state of Ohio...

Internship also counts toward one year of the commitment and if you go the specialty route, and train for 4 years total, you can buy out the last year.

Residency has to be done in one of the CORE programs to fulfill the commitment via either of the above options.

MC

 

[beckhunter116]

That is a contract for out of state students. Apparently if you are not from Ohio, the adcom will not consider your application.

They take OOS students...on their site it says class enter 08 (I think) had 15%. You just have to sign the contract...that's why I was asking for more details/opinions.

 

[beckhunter116]

That's what the contract says, but after I was accepted, I received a letter regarding the other options for fulfilling the commitment.

(1) If an OUCOM graduate who has signed an out-of-state admission contract in order to be admitted to the Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine completes an internship and residency program in a primary care generalists discipline in an Ohio AOA approved postgraduate program, they will be eligible to apply for a waiver for one and one half years credit for each postgraduate year, provided that the entire program is completed. If the waiver is approved their five year obligation to practice medicine in Ohio will be fulfilled.

(2) If an OUCOM graduate who has signed an out-of-state admission contract in order to be admitted to the Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine completes a residency program in a specialty field other than primary care in an Ohio AOA approved postgraduate program, they will be eligible to apply for a waiver to receive credit for one year for each year completed in the residency program in a specialty field (based on the entire program being completed in a CORE program) towards their obligation to practice medicine full-time for five years in the state of Ohio...

Internship also counts toward one year of the commitment and if you go the specialty route, and train for 4 years total, you can buy out the last year.

Residency has to be done in one of the CORE programs to fulfill the commitment via either of the above options.

MC

So an MD residency won't count toward the years? Even if it is primary care? I guess based on this no. Any current OOS OU students wanna give opinions please chime in. 🙂

 

[ShyRem]

I didn't send in OUCOM's secondary for exactly the reason of the contract. I don't care what "letter" they send later, you sign a contract and they can make you stick to it. The contract is binding. I said no thanks.

 

[MalachiConstant]

According to the letter, the only way you can pay back your time during residency is to train at one of the CORE institutions. So, no MD residency anywhere or even AOA residencies in Ohio not affiliated with OUCOM would count as I understand it.

Like ShyRem said, none of this stuff is in a contract, it's just a policy they adopted back in 1995 to keep docs, particularly primary care, in Ohio. You apply for a waiver after residency completion, so it's not an absolute guarantee. I'm just going by the information I was sent, so maybe someone who's went to OUCOM and fulfilled their commitment this way could offer more/better info.

MC

 

[Chocolate Bear]

So for an OOS applicant I know we have to do the 5 yr contract, is it possible to do a residency somewhere else and come back to Ohio to practice for your commitment?

Yes it is. I previously said "no," but after reading the contract, it looks like I was wrong. Sorry about that.

Any word on the cost of the "buyout" option? Just curious 😱😎

Looks like it will cost you 4 years worth of OUCOM tuition or cost of attendance. The contract is a bit vague here, but I'd guess they're going to charge you more rather than less. 😉

I'll try

Thanks a lot for posting! 🙂

 

[csmittyB]

Did you interview here CSmitty? Thanks for the contract. Anyone want to add any opinions I'm getting together my list of places to apply for the next cycle and I am really interested in OU...there 3rd/4th year seem to be really well established. I'm just leery of the contract. Any OOSers wanna give some insight into their experience here? Any regrets?

No. Got the contract with the secondary and decided not to continue with OUCOM.

That's what the contract says, but after I was accepted, I received a letter regarding the other options for fulfilling the commitment.

(1) If an OUCOM graduate who has signed an out-of-state admission contract in order to be admitted to the Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine completes an internship and residency program in a primary care generalists discipline in an Ohio AOA approved postgraduate program, they will be eligible to apply for a waiver for one and one half years credit for each postgraduate year, provided that the entire program is completed. If the waiver is approved their five year obligation to practice medicine in Ohio will be fulfilled.

(2) If an OUCOM graduate who has signed an out-of-state admission contract in order to be admitted to the Ohio University College of Osteopathic Medicine completes a residency program in a specialty field other than primary care in an Ohio AOA approved postgraduate program, they will be eligible to apply for a waiver to receive credit for one year for each year completed in the residency program in a specialty field (based on the entire program being completed in a CORE program) towards their obligation to practice medicine full-time for five years in the state of Ohio...

Internship also counts toward one year of the commitment and if you go the specialty route, and train for 4 years total, you can buy out the last year.

Residency has to be done in one of the CORE programs to fulfill the commitment via either of the above options.

MC

I stand corrected. Didn't know there was a waiver. I had only seen the contract. OUCOM should include the waiver when they send the contract or update the contract with that info. I still don't like that you must do an AOA approved residency. In my opinion it is too limiting.

 

[RG73]

I might not have as much of an issue with the contract if they at least gave you in state tuition. It seems like if they're going to ask you to make a commitment to the state of Ohio then you ought to get the benefits of being a resident of Ohio. Instead, they're asking you to pay about 30% higher tuition for 4 years and then serve this sort of indentured servitude for the state for another 5 years.

As for the potential waivers via an Ohio based AOA residency, that certainly makes it more palatable (but there is obviously the trade off of being limited not just to AOA residencies, but Ohio Core AOA residencies), but they ought to be upfront about that information. At the very least they might rake in a few thousand more in secondary fees from people who would otherwise not consider applying.

 

[beckhunter116]

I might not have as much of an issue with the contract if they at least gave you in state tuition. It seems like if they're going to ask you to make a commitment to the state of Ohio then you ought to get the benefits of being a resident of Ohio. Instead, they're asking you to pay about 30% higher tuition for 4 years and then serve this sort of indentured servitude for the state for another 5 years.

As for the potential waivers via an Ohio based AOA residency, that certainly makes it more palatable (but there is obviously the trade off of being limited not just to AOA residencies, but Ohio Core AOA residencies), but they ought to be upfront about that information. At the very least they might rake in a few thousand more in secondary fees from people who would otherwise not consider applying.

For your 2nd yr on you can get in-state residency if you qualify...i.e jump through all the hoops and fill out whatever is needed to show residency. There is more info about this on their website.

CBear...The contract seems vague as to whether you can leave and come back or not...I may give admission an email sometime this week after i gather any other questions I have for them and then I'll let everyone know.

I wish there was more OU alum on here. Seems even there threads don't have that much of a response. Thanks to everyone who commented.

 

[Lewist02]

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Looks like it will cost you 4 years worth of OUCOM tuition or cost of attendance. The contract is a bit vague here, but I'd guess they're going to charge you more rather than less. 😉

I thought my secondary app from them said 1 year worth of tuition was the buyout cost. It was somewhere between $40-60,000 from what I can remember.

 

[SolanoDoc]

Ohio is pretty hard on out of state applicants. If they do take out of state applicants its probably from people from surrounding states. I even checked out their admissions stats, and they only interview a mere handful of OOS.

 

[Chocolate Bear]

CBear...The contract seems vague as to whether you can leave and come back or not

Well it only says you need to practice in the state for the specified time *after* post grad training (residency). I saw nothing about doing residency in the state which means you don't have to.

Am I mssing something or are you just kind of worried and just want confirmation?

I thought my secondary app from them said 1 year worth of tuition was the buyout cost. It was somewhere between $40-60,000 from what I can remember.

Did you read the contract that was posted here? It says "times 4 years. "

 

[beckhunter116]

Am I mssing something or are you just kind of worried and just want confirmation?
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I am just worried. I prefer to plan for the worst, hope for the best. I'm going to try to put together all of my questions for them in the next few days (including this) and email admissions. Then I'll post the answers here.