Bingo if you think what she says i's correct everything she says has to be correct or you can't trust anything she says
I don't think that is your call to make. lol.
Bingo if you think what she says i's correct everything she says has to be correct or you can't trust anything she says
Of course, you were just salty af about this whole debate, so you decided to take bits and pieces of Loren's presentation on a completely different issue to defame her integrity on our current issue being debated. There was no way for you to defend yourself against Loren's letter response to the NABP, stating that the DEA does not allow the transfer of unfilled controls, so you're trying to attack her now.
So? What does her presentation on changes to CII prescriptions have to do anything with what were debating? Oh right, you're personally attacking her integrity...I see...even after she has explicitly told you that what's in her presentation does not establish legal standards. Maybe someone here should email her / DEA and cite your claim and ask her why she did that...otherwise you don't know why she did that.
What you need to understand is that, unless you have unquestionable evidence, you should not be telling people to break laws or regulations. You should not be making dubious claims, inferences on matters of law; you don't have the authority to do any of this. You got caught misquoting the DEA, misquoting a presentation in an effort to defame the presenter and her integrity on an unrelated issue....just so you could win an argument. What does her presentation on changes in CII prescription have to do anything with our debate on transferring unfilled controlled scripts? You are merely attacking her character/integrity at this point.
Look, if you're going after Loren's character and integrity then you should find someone else to debate that. Make another thread and talk it over with your buddies. I don't want to be involved in any of these immature, low-ball, unprofessional and shady af tactics.
Separation of church and state. Bam! Disputed.I could literally find a golden DEA tome found on a mountain top by the head off the DEA that was inscribed by god with "these transfers are ok yo", and you'd still find a way to dispute it.
"I am going to simultaneously claim that Loren's email to nabp is legal advisement and her presentation stating the same thing is a totally different thing"
-lnsean
Can you please quote and bold the specific sections where I am defaming her
Hahahah, incredible.
"You tricked me into pointing out that my Ultimate Source of Information is unreliable by simply quoting his presentation, so now I'm going to go on a tirade attacking your character.
I am upset because I l realize how contradictory this is"
-Lnsean
Please quote and bold the part of my posts that are out of context.
Also please quote and bold the "misquoted" section of my post.
Please quote and bold the part of my posts that are out of context.
Also please quote and bold the "misquoted" section of my post.
What does her presentation on CII changes have to do with transferring unfilled controls though? It seems you're trying to change the subject...lol.
It was meant to illustrate that you're a reactionary person incapable of critical thought.
What do you expect the context or audio/video to be?
"Please completely ignore this slide, it's totally wrong."
Seriously, articulate what the "context" could possibly be. Don't just say it's out of context, provide potential reasonable context.
I believe it is actually true. It was a flub by the DEA while writing the preamble to the proposed regulation to allow a prescribed to issue multiple C2 prescriptions to be filled sequentially. I don’t know if they ever fixed it (though they said they intended to back in 2007 when it happened)Except this isn't true...
That's up to me and everyone else to decide for our own. You are quoting a presentation, you should link the video so that everyone can be the judge of that. Why are you hiding that? Did the presentation even happen? Was Loren the one presenting? You are taking his slides out of context.
This is truly your magnum opus.That's up to me and everyone else to decide for our own. You are quoting a presentation, you should link the video so that everyone can be the judge of that. Why are you hiding that? Did the presentation even happen? Was Loren the one presenting? You are taking his slides out of context.
This is truly your magnum opus.
I received the notification that you replied and instantly started hearing Gregorian chants and vocalizations.
I am not worthy to reply to this
I believe it is actually true. It was a flub by the DEA while writing the preamble to the proposed regulation to allow a prescribed to issue multiple C2 prescriptions to be filled sequentially. I don’t know if they ever fixed it (though they said they intended to back in 2007 when it happened)
https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/mtgs/drug_chemical/2011/gallagher.pdf
This is just too funny. How is it when a person who sends a letter out with the following after their name: Associate Section Chief Liaison and Policy Section Diversion Control Division Drug Enforcement Administration, represents the DEA and what they say is the law but when they give a presentation, it doesn't? You either know the law or you don't.
This is not actually a question and I do not want a response.
This just in:
In bird law, if you provide a disclaimer, it means everything you say or write should be interpreted to mean the opposite of what you very clearly wrote.
Could you provide the video to the presentation that you're quoting from and what you claim he said? Let's get the basics down first before we discuss legal disclaimers and stuff. I want to see if the man even gave the presentation and what he said.
Advanced bird law:
In order for a written statement to be valid, someone has to video tape you while you say the words.
I suppose we should disregard the Gettysburg address since we don’t have video of Abraham Lincoln giving it. No one should ever quote it again unless they can produce the video. Otherwise it is out of context.
Do you see how crazy this sounds? And we don’t even have the power point slides from Gettysburg!
I suppose we should disregard the Gettysburg address since we don’t have video of Abraham Lincoln giving it. No one should ever quote it again unless they can produce the video. Otherwise it is out of context.
Do you see how crazy this sounds? And we don’t even have the power point slides from Gettysburg!
I think it's safe to say...... Thread over, check and mate
They didn't have the capability back then, and to be honest, your buddy's reputation isn't on the same line as Lincoln's....lol. Like, how you even compared your friend's integrity to that of Lincoln is beyond me. Your friend had been caught lying and misquoting people/DEA before. I know your buddy has the video to Loren's presentation but is refusing to link it because the actual presentation doesn't support his claims. I hear that Loren didn't even use that slide deck.
I mean...this is his claim...he is attacking Loren's character, so he should provide the sources when asked. The problem is that...he's an amateur debater who felt in the trap of quoting a presentation. That's why they teach you in school to avoid quoting presentations. LOL. I have already won both arguments; I'm just playing with my food at this point really...it's amusing to me.
How dare you ultralibel turboslander me on the bird record.
Why are you hiding the video footage of me typing these posts you claim I made.
The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Office of Diversion Control, sponsored the 23rd DEA National Conference on Pharmaceutical and Chemical Diversion, December 12 – 13, 2017 in Dallas, Texas. Attendees included approximately 96 representatives from various federal, state and local government law enforcement and regulatory agencies. The purpose of this national conference is to educate federal, state and local regulatory and law enforcement personnel on current trends and issues involving pharmaceutical controlled substances and DEA regulated (listed) chemicals. Federal, state and local representatives also had an opportunity to interact with DEA representatives to discuss issues or concerns on behalf of their federal agency, state or region. This conference is held on an annual basis and is one of the mechanisms used by the Diversion Control Division to foster communication and cooperation with its state and local counterparts.
Seems like a legit presentation
The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), Office of Diversion Control, sponsored the 23rd DEA National Conference on Pharmaceutical and Chemical Diversion, December 12 – 13, 2017 in Dallas, Texas. Attendees included approximately 96 representatives from various federal, state and local government law enforcement and regulatory agencies. The purpose of this national conference is to educate federal, state and local regulatory and law enforcement personnel on current trends and issues involving pharmaceutical controlled substances and DEA regulated (listed) chemicals. Federal, state and local representatives also had an opportunity to interact with DEA representatives to discuss issues or concerns on behalf of their federal agency, state or region. This conference is held on an annual basis and is one of the mechanisms used by the Diversion Control Division to foster communication and cooperation with its state and local counterparts.
Seems like a legit presentation
You’re taking that out of context.
This is the same slide deck that was linked earlier. So could you provide the video for the presentation? I want everyone to watch it.
Why do you think you have to record a presentation for it to count? It saddens me to post this but here is that the MLA has to say about citing a presentation (you will notice that there is nothing about including the full slide deck or providing a video, elements that Lnsean has made up out of think air): How do I cite an image from a slide presentation on the Web or from a lecture I attend? – The MLA Style Center
Why do you think you have to record a presentation for it to count? It saddens me to post this but here is that the MLA has to say about citing a presentation (you will notice that there is nothing about including the full slide deck or providing a video, elements that Lnsean has made up out of think air): How do I cite an image from a slide presentation on the Web or from a lecture I attend? – The MLA Style Center
We need to get Preston Grubbs over here to set everyone straight.
Why do you think you have to record a presentation for it to count?
That's never for you to decide.
Who is Preston Grubbs? I tried google but didn't get an obvious match for your comment.
Actually you are the one for whom it is not yours to decide. There is no obligation to provide a video when citing a presentation. If there was no presentation given before the advent of video recording could be cited.
You are being silly and you are just factually incorrect. Can you show me one reputable source that claims presentations must be recorded in order to be cited?
Principal Deputy Administrator of the DEA
Guys stop. Lnsean declared themselves the winner and therefore they win. It's no use continuing to debate this. He is clearly the master debater while the rest of you are just amateurs.
I yield. I can't argue with someone who unironicly claims that presentations cannot be cited without video and stands by that answer even after being shown that MLA allows for that exact type of citation.