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phong.nguyen76 said:
My cousin told me some students are planning to sue school.

Hmm. On what grounds? Being first years, they don't really have much of a case.

A certain school in California had this happen because of an unaccredited law program. The students graduated and still could not take the bar. So they sued the school afterwards. The school, which eventually did get its accrediation, I belive during its 5th year (don't quote me on that), ended up paying off all the students' school loans. Being lawyers, the students didn't want to settle for that and are suing for punitive and emotional damages.

Bah.

But I guess I'm saying that it's very much up to what promises (on paper) HICP made to its students. Did the students sign some sort of waiver/contract? It'll be quite the uphill challenge for them.
 
Does anyone know where or what type of California law book for pharmacist to take if they want to come into california? A close family friend needs to come into california to work but needs to take the California law (i think). Anyone has any info. please let me know. Thanks
 
So is it up to the school if they want to close? I mean there is not law to stop them right? Its all up to the students if they still want to invest in it, right?

About accreditation, doesnt a school need to have pre-cad before it can admit any student? In other words, doesnt HICP have pre-cad since it has its first year students already?
 
phong.nguyen76 said:
My cousin told me some students are planning to sue school.

Did you know anything about the "rally" at HICP today? Just curious whats all that about...
 
sharky2005 said:
So is it up to the school if they want to close? I mean there is not law to stop them right? Its all up to the students if they still want to invest in it, right?

About accreditation, doesnt a school need to have pre-cad before it can admit any student? In other words, doesnt HICP have pre-cad since it has its first year students already?

nope, HICP doesn't have pre-cad. I think they were told not to accept students, but they went ahead and accept students anyway. Just to show you how shady they are.
 
Does anyone know where or what type of California law book for pharmacist to take if they want to come into california? A close family friend needs to come into california to work but needs to take the California law (i think). Anyone has any info. please let me know. Thanks
 
sharky2005- Answers to your questions about HICP are in this thread. I cannot believe that you are willing to invest 120,000$+ in HICP without fully understanding this thread.
 
bananaface said:
Me either. 😉

Is it "me neither" or "me either?"

Hrm. 😕
 
hancanada said:
For those who are interested to know if HICP's dean is really sick or not, find out yourself on UH's class schedule 🙂

http://myuh.hawaii.edu/pls/uhdad//avail.classes?i=MAN&t=200610&s=BIOC

It looks like he left HICP and went back to the University of Hawaii. Again, HICP lied to its students.

It has been almost 2 mths since HICP informed ACPE its decision not to resubmit their application for the June Board of Directors Meeting but their website still states it is planning to resubmit their application for the June meeting.

http://www.hicp.org/accreditation/
 
BMBiology said:
It looks like he left HICP and went back to the University of Hawaii. Again, HICP lied to its students.

It has been almost 2 mths since HICP informed ACPE its decision not to resubmit their application for the June Board of Directors Meeting but their website still states it is planning to resubmit their application for the June meeting.

http://www.hicp.org/accreditation/

There is no doubt that they lied to HICP's students. Their web site has not been updated for the fact that the Dean resigned.
 
hancanada said:
There is no doubt that they lied to HICP's students. Their web site has not been updated for the fact that the Dean resigned.

Yes. I complained to the ACPE about that. If I were an HICP student, I would document all of these deceptions and lies for a future lawsuit.
 
hancanada said:
There is no doubt that they lied to HICP's students. Their web site has not been updated for the fact that the Dean resigned.
Are you saying that it hasn't been updated because the dean resigned? If so, I kind of doubt the validity of that. I don't think the dean was personally in charge of the web site design and updates. 🙄
 
jdpharmd? said:
Are you saying that it hasn't been updated because the dean resigned? If so, I kind of doubt the validity of that. I don't think the dean was personally in charge of the web site design and updates. 🙄

I think what he/she meant is that the reason why HICP has not updated its website is because they dont want to let prospective students know that the school no longer has a dean.
 
BlueSkyCA said:
I don't know why they always tell a lie..... 😡 😡 😡


BlueSkyCA, I no idea why lie, I feel sad like you. 😡 😡 😡
are you staying or leaving? HICP I mean. Or are you applying another school now, school that do not lie.
 
Here is the link: http://www.lemarssentinel.com/story/1095968.html
Another new pharmacy school will be opened next year. This school belongs to one of HICP students who did drop out this school about a month ago. I ask by myself what the hell...? A lot of innocent students are in danger...We hope that ACPE will know and prevent it....
 
The backers of HICP sure made a killing this year. Just the tuition alone, they made close to 7$ million dollars (28,000$ * 248 students). This does not even include profits from application fee, books, school fees, etc.
 
JackBeanstalk said:
BlueSkyCA, I no idea why lie, I feel sad like you. 😡 😡 😡
are you staying or leaving? HICP I mean. Or are you applying another school now, school that do not lie.
Hi JackBeanstalk, I am still staying....It is so sad, huh? I don't know what to do now...It is late to apply to another school...Are you HICP student?
 
BlueSkyCA said:
Here is the link: http://www.lemarssentinel.com/story/1095968.html
Another new pharmacy school will be opened next year. This school belongs to one of HICP students who did drop out this school about a month ago. I ask by myself what the hell...? A lot of innocent students are in danger...We hope that ACPE will know and prevent it....

The ACPE cannot prevent a school from opening but it can deny accreditation. However, since there is a high demand for pharmacy schools, students will flock to any schools such as HICP. These stand alone, for profit, pharmacy schools are opening up everywhere. It is sad that potential students do not truly understand the accreditation process. The ACPE just added new languages in their policy that make it even harder to gain accreditation.

I was surprised to read that Cliff Parks, the former HICP financial officer, will be the school's chief financial officer. This is interesting. I dont really think accreditation is the number 1 priority for these people. It is all about making money from desperate students. Whether or not, the school is granted accreditation, they will find enough suckers to fill their classes. This is truly sad.

Pharmacy schools such as HICP will make it harder for legit pharmacy schools from gaining accreditation. This will affect many of us, as well as the profession. If you truly want to make a difference and protect the profession, I urge you to take the time and email the ACPE <[email protected]> to voice your concerns! You can also email the newspaper that printed the article <[email protected]>
 
BlueSkyCA said:
Here is the link: http://www.lemarssentinel.com/story/1095968.html
Another new pharmacy school will be opened next year. This school belongs to one of HICP students who did drop out this school about a month ago. I ask by myself what the hell...? A lot of innocent students are in danger...We hope that ACPE will know and prevent it....

From the above link:

Robert Shire of the American College of Pharmacy was present at the council meeting to answer questions. He said he is a graduate of Portland State University, and is a former police officer who now works with real estate. His wife is a student at the Hawaii College of Pharmacy which opened last year. They and their three children currently live in Hawaii but will move to Le Mars this year.

What's the American College of Pharmacy? What does a former police officer/real estate agent know about pharmacy? Sounds like another HICP to me.

Damn I need to start one of these schools and make some bank like the rest of these people!

Edit: After further research I guess Robert Shire is a member of the American School of Pharmacy (again, I still haven't heard of that) and he tried to convince some school in Oregon to open up a pharmacy school.
 
BMBiology said:
I was surprised to read that Cliff Parks, the former HICP financial offer, will be the school's chief financial officer. This is interesting. I dont really think accreditation is the number 1 priority for these people. It is all about making money from desperate students while the demand for pharmacy school is high. Whether or not, the school is granted accreditation, they will find enough suckers to fill their classes. This is truly sad.


Now that Cliff learned how not what to do, he will use his experience to try to do it right! :laugh:

I find it funny that a former police officer and real estate agent will be opening a pharmacy school. I find it even more funny he plans on opening it with just four faculty members. What a joke.
 
BlueSkyCA said:
Here is the link: http://www.lemarssentinel.com/story/1095968.html
Another new pharmacy school will be opened next year. This school belongs to one of HICP students who did drop out this school about a month ago. I ask by myself what the hell...? A lot of innocent students are in danger...We hope that ACPE will know and prevent it....
I can't believe I am saying this, but thank you for your post. 🙂
 
BMBiology said:
Pharmacy schools such as HICP will make it harder for legit pharmacy schools from gaining accreditation. This will affect many of us, as well as the profession. If you truly want to make a difference and protect the profession, I urge you to take the time and email the ACPE <[email protected]> and the newspaper that printed the article <[email protected]>.


I have a final tomorrow, but I will definately speak my mind to ACPE by the end of this week. It just seems that pharmacy education is turning into an education mill undermining the profession in general. I hope others do the same.
 
I think I'm gonna open a pharmacy school when I graduate. I will heavily emphasize street-pharmacy skills. 😎
 
I truly believe that the ACPE does not need to grant accreditation to any more school. There is enough pharmacy school as it is. We need to keep the supply low, so the demand will be high. Anybody who has taken economics will tell you this exact same thing.
 
If you keep the supply low then the patients will be the ultimate loser. The supply and demand curve should in no way dictate the nation's health care system. This is not a matter of economics, it is a matter of training the next generation of qualify pharmacists.
 
I agree with BMBiology. It is about quality control. It is also about following the rules. If the school can't handle itself appropriately, how can it train students to do so?

There have been overage situations before. It's not the end of the world. So employers can finally fire sucky "warm body" pharmacists and get someone competent. That's not a bad thing!
 
First the dean, now this new school in Iowa. This is getting to be an increasingly sad situation, not only for these HICP students, but for pharmacy academia. Sad for my school too. Even though the only tie to my school was our former librarian, and we've repeatedly denied any official connection with HICP, it sucks to hear my school's name being brought up by this guy in this "franchising scheme"...like USN is some sort of precedent for their actions. It sounds as if the only goal is to get a school up and, with or without eventual accreditation, enroll a class for the sole purpose of collecting tuition and other fees. A lot of thought and planning went into the development of NVCP and the eventual USN. It would be unfortunate if this becomes a trend, and makes us look bad in the process. I hope not...I, the faculty, staff, administration, students and many other graduates of USN have worked too hard to have that happen.
 
LVPharm said:
First the dean, now this new school in Iowa. This is getting to be an increasingly sad situation, not only for these HICP students, but for pharmacy academia. Sad for my school too. Even though the only tie to my school was our former librarian, and we've repeatedly denied any official connection with HICP, it sucks to hear my school's name being brought up by this guy in this "franchising scheme"...like USN is some sort of precedent for their actions. It sounds as if the only goal is to get a school up and, with or without eventual accreditation, enroll a class for the sole purpose of collecting tuition and other fees. A lot of thought and planning went into the development of NVCP and the eventual USN. It would be unfortunate if this becomes a trend, and makes us look bad in the process. I hope not...I, the faculty, staff, administration, students and many other graduates of USN have worked too hard to have that happen.

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=199656&page=2&pp=20
Read this thread, they r talking about a new dental school which opens in hawaii in 2006 using the same address with the HICP's
 
BlueSkyCA said:
Here is the link: http://www.lemarssentinel.com/story/1095968.html
Another new pharmacy school will be opened next year. This school belongs to one of HICP students who did drop out this school about a month ago. I ask by myself what the hell...? A lot of innocent students are in danger...We hope that ACPE will know and prevent it....

This guy mentioned in the article can kiss my a$*! ACPE will be hearing from me on Friday for sure. Isn't it funny that his wife attends a school that will almost surely never graduate a class, and he is taking it one step further by opening possibly the #1 shadiest school ever? Wow, he has been researching it for a year! Read the ACPE notes about new schools needing to have a dean in place for AT LEAST 2 years before even applying for pre-candidate status and accepting a class.
 
jdpharmd? said:
ACPE will be hearing from me on Friday for sure.
Thank a lot
They think it is easy to make money on students, and the important thing is that there is nothing to lose to them 😡 😡 😡
 
Well Well Well....

Before everybody jumps onto this topic of Le Mars, we shouldn't assume anything. Then again, who cares about Le Mars?!?! This school is NOT CONNECTED to Hawaii College of Pharmacy even though everybody really wants to believe that. Of course, everybody should definitely call ACPE but I'm sure they know about it already.

Remember the time when everybody thought Hawaii College of Pharmacy was part of Nevada College of Pharmacy. After that, Nevada College of Pharmacy wrote on their website that there were NOT affiliated with Hawaii College of Pharmacy. I'm sure you won't see it now, but you will see it later.

Anyways, I'm sure that is the LEAST of HICP worries right about now. There is a NEW dental school up now and taking application which is definitely affiliated with Hawaii College of Pharmacy.

https://aadsas.adea.org/aadsas2006/supplemental/ins_designations_supp.htm

Scroll down to the bottom!


BlueSkyCA said:
Here is the link: http://www.lemarssentinel.com/story/1095968.html
Another new pharmacy school will be opened next year. This school belongs to one of HICP students who did drop out this school about a month ago. I ask by myself what the hell...? A lot of innocent students are in danger...We hope that ACPE will know and prevent it....
 
DayDreamer said:
Remember the time when everybody thought Hawaii College of Pharmacy was part of Nevada College of Pharmacy. After that, Nevada College of Pharmacy wrote on their website that there were NOT affiliated with Hawaii College of Pharmacy.

Nobody claimed that they are connected. It does not matter if they are either. Our efforts to inform the ACPE about HICP and this new school will be the same regardless. And for your information, it was HICP that stated on its website that the NVCP dean has been recruited as an advisor.
 
I am currently attending HICP and I just wanted to comment on some of the previous posts that are on this forum. First, I would like to plead with people not to be so negative about our school. Please just have a little compassion for all of us at HICP. Many of us have the academic credentials to get accepted to other schools, however, for our own personal reasons, we decided to attend HICP. Do no assume that everyone who attends is academically incable of attending any other school in the nation. Do not think, that just because you are attending an accredited school, you are better than any of us here at HICP.
Yes, our school is a first year school and we are going through all the hardships that any first year school shall have. Think about it, every single one of you, are going to a school that at some point was unaccredited. So please do not just close the door on our school. Every school has to start somewhere and all of us are optimistic that we will make it. Personally, my heart and soul has gone into this school. I have had more emotional ups and downs this year, than I have had my whole life. Regardless, I am working just as hard or harder than any student in the nation. If you guys knew anything about our school, you would know that we have many strict rules that most of you would never dream about having at your schools. Why? because we are unnaccredited, so we need to be better than other schools.
We are in a curriculum that integrates all our subjects and paints one big picture. We are learning in ways that haven't been taught before. Each and every one of the students who graduate from this school will be capable and prove to be an asset to our profession.
In closing, I am not going to lose my head and yell at everyone for saying what you say about our school, for this is a free country and that's what makes it so great, we can all have our own opinions. I am just kindly asking that you think about what you say before you say it because it is affecting 240 students that are hear busting there hump to try and succeed.

I hope this was a professional post for all of you to read, though I do not really care if you think it is or not. I just want everyone to realize that the 240 students that attend HICP are people too, and we do not appreciate it when people put us down as a group. If you have problems with us individually, then that is a different story.

PS. For all of the english critics on this forum, I would just like to point out that if you need papers to grade, go become a professor. Those of us from HICP that our posting, are not here to prove to anybody that we can write, we are just on here trying to stand up for our school. This is an informal setting in which people can post information about pharmacy schools to help the field of pharmacy.



BMBiology said:
The ACPE cannot prevent a school from opening but it can denial accreditation. However, since there is a high demand for pharmacy schools, students will flock to any schools such as HICP. These stand alone, for profit, pharmacy schools are opening up everywhere. It is sad that potential students do not truly understand the accreditation process. The ACPE just added new languages in their policy that make it even harder to gain accreditation.

I was surprised to read that Cliff Parks, the former HICP financial officer, will be the school's chief financial officer. This is interesting. I dont really think accreditation is the number 1 priority for these people. It is all about making money from desperate students. Whether or not, the school is granted accreditation, they will find enough suckers to fill their classes. This is truly sad.

Pharmacy schools such as HICP will make it harder for legit pharmacy schools from gaining accreditation. This will affect many of us, as well as the profession. If you truly want to make a difference and protect the profession, I urge you to take the time and email the ACPE <[email protected]> to voice your concerns! You can also email the newspaper that printed the article <[email protected]>
 
I was just saying you can't believe everything you see unless you are closely connected to ACPE. Are you? If you are,then you should know what's going on with Le Mars then right?

BMBiology said:
Nobody claimed that they are connected. It does not matter if they are either. Our efforts to inform the ACPE about HICP and this new school will be the same regardless. And for your information, it was HICP that stated on its website that the NVCP dean has been recruited as an advisor.
 
07pharmd- I just want to let you know that I sympathize with what you are going through. I can understand the hardships. But I am here as a messenger. I am here to tell others what HICP has done. I do not dictate the direction of HICP. The ACPE is the ultimate gatekeeper here. As a pharmacy student, it is my rights, as well as my duty to inform the ACPE of HICP. I wish there was another way but this is the only way. I sincerely hope things will eventually work out for you and your classmates.

DayDreamer- I have been in communication with the ACPE for over a year now. If you think what I am saying is wrong then please point it out.

HICP Students- I have nothing against you guys. I really hope things will eventually work out for everyone but the truth is, it will not if you stay at HICP. I can assure you that things will not get any better. It is better to admit defeat and fight another day, then to fight a war that you cannot win. Your only hope is to work together. This is your chance to stand together, stand up and make a change!
 
Please don't sound like you are their Savior!

You sound like one of those fanatic pharmacists that won't dispense EC or birth control pills because of your moral beliefs. :laugh:



BMBiology said:
HICP Students- I have nothing against you guys. I really hope things will eventually work out for everyone but the truth is, it will not if you stay at HICP. I can assure you that things will not get any better. It is better to admit defeat and fight another day, then to fight a war that you cannot win. Your only hope is to work together. This is your chance to stand together, stand up and make a change!
 
Mr. Park is not currently related to HICP. He left the school several months ago quietly. I'm not sure but the corp. blammed him for the lack of financial aid. Mr. Park was used as a scapegoat so he wouldn't be helping the corporation.

The new school in Le Mar and has NO, NONE, ZIP relationship with HICP. The only relationship is a former student who couldn't continue and left the program. Ask HICP if they had any clue about that school. It's like saying, Dr. Monroe and Dr. Crisswell who both were former employee's at University of Southern Nevada (USN) that USN is part of HICP when in fact the two are different as night and day. Look at the dean from USN, Dr. Rosenberg, who was the former dean at Western but USN is not Western.

This new school was unknown until someone accidentally found it on google while looking for dean advertisements from our school. The trolls (people claiming to be from our school or have relatives) are twisting the story around. There are a lot of anonymous emails at our school.

Listen to all the facts before you jump to a conclusion. Just because its something you would like to hear it doesn't mean its completely true. I am not defending the fact that HICP has not been honest with students but another pharmacy school is not on their to do list. People at school know this is untrue except for a few trouble makers who fuel flames like the ones on SDN. :laugh: By the way I like SDN but not everything on here is unbiased or truthful. Several students have left the program for personal and different reasons but what they do afterwards is their own business.

I understand why and what many critics believe in but don't generalize us all. Go after the guilty and not the innocent. There are smart and good students here who are being over shadowed by the bad ones.
 
07pharmd-are you HICP student? Can you explain to me why did Dean quit his job, why some students did drop out this school, why do they always tell a lie??? are still 240 students attending now? Do you know or don't know what is exactly number students who did drop out? Substract it and state the exactly number please. By the way, if you can, you can make a survey to know how many HICP students "not to be so negative about our school."
Nobody can make us down or up. The only thing that can make us down or up is the truth.
I don't care that Le Mars is connected to HICP or not, even new dental school will be opened next year. I just care students who will be suffered by people who lack responsibilities, ethical behavior, honesty, and honor. 😡
 
DayDreamer said:
Please don't sound like you are their Savior!

I am not the type that let others take advantage of me. I stand up to what I believe in. I will continue my efforts to inform others about HICP. You can attack me personally. I dont really care but lets see you attack my message. Are you afraid of the truth?
 
DayDreamer said:
Please don't sound like you are their Savior!

You sound like one of those fanatic pharmacists that won't dispense EC or birth control pills because of your moral beliefs. :laugh:

That was so un-called for... why would you assume a thing like that?
 
Steady-State said:
This new school was unknown until someone accidentally found it on google while looking for dean advertisements from our school. The trolls (people claiming to be from our school or have relatives) are twisting the story around. There are a lot of anonymous emails at our school.
Are you saying that the Dean left and went back to UH are rumors? the Dean left for almost 2 months and they did not resubmit the application to ACPE this June, but they never update the info on the web site. So, We are here to share what we know. What about the new dental school using the same address, phone, fax, and hicp.org emails? Why don't you let the people who read the info decide if they believe or not.
 
hancanada said:
What about the new dental school using the same address, phone, fax, and hicp.org emails?
I can't believe that Dr. Dan Orr and Dr. Monroe are planning to open new dental school next year. HICP will become University of something??? Why can they do that? They have not worked out too much problems with pharmacy school, how can they continue their collecting money from students??? 😡 😡 😡
 
Monroe has a master, not a doctor degree. Don't tell me he lie about that as well.
 
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