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[JohnUNLV]

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John, looking at your sig, I suppose you are going after dental now. When you put the AZ in there as a hopeful, you do understand that U of AZ doesn't have a dental school, and that the only one in AZ is a new private school in Mesa, don't you?

AZ in with all those other schools listed isn't representitive of the actual dental school, which has nothing to do with U of AZ.

Good luck to you in your new school challange. Dentists make good coin.

Yes Jed, I am going dental, and yes they do make bank.

I know U of A doesnt have dental, I am talking about the AT Still University in Mesa. I wonder if ASU or UA will be getting a dental school any time in the future? PHX has a very big population, why is AT Still the first to open a dental program before the two big time universities? hmm 😕

 

[pharmaz88]

PHX has a very big population, why is AT Still the first to open a dental program before the two big time universities? hmm 😕

cuz we all have perfect teeth out here

 

[dgroulx]

No team points, 80% on the first try, if you fail, you can take THE EXACT SAME TEST the following week and you need 85% to pass, if you dont, then you can take THE EXACT SAME TEST the following week and you need 90%, then 95% and if you fail THAT time then you remediate in the summer and it costs you almost 4 'grants', if you have to remediate more than 2 classes (i think its 2), you are kicked out.

They give you the same test again? The same questions? That's not testing knowledge and you'd have to be a ***** to not get an A on it the 2nd time around.

 

[manland]

No team points, 80% on the first try, if you fail, you can take THE EXACT SAME TEST the following week and you need 85% to pass, if you dont, then you can take THE EXACT SAME TEST the following week and you need 90%, then 95% and if you fail THAT time then you remediate in the summer and it costs you almost 4 'grants', if you have to remediate more than 2 classes (i think its 2), you are kicked out.

JTD, I was born in Brooklyn, raised there until age 5, then grew up in Vegas, GO YANKS!! hehe

If I am not mistaken, I think this is what happened to John. He took the exam, didn't pass on several tries and got kick out or just took off 🙁

I won't be suprised if he is still going on here and chatting by NEXT YEAR when he don't even know what's going on 👎 or maybe his connection have no updated him or wont last very long anyways, but thanks them for their contribution also!

Also I won't be suprised that this is going to happen again even if he got into Dental School

I'll be back as a reminder in the near future 😎

 

[henderson]

questions are not the same...concepts tested on are the same but questions do get changed....also, regardless of what you receive on the second or third try, the maximum you can achieve is at 80 percent.

 

[manland]

They give you the same test again? The same questions? That's not testing knowledge and you'd have to be a ***** to not get an A on it the 2nd time around.

If I am not mistaken, I think this is what happened to John. He took the exam several time and didn't passed, about to get kick out, so he just took off 🙁

I won't be suprised if he is still going on here NEXT YEAR when he don't even know what's going on 👎 or maybe his connection haven't updated him and won't be here longer anyways, but thanks them for their contribution also 😀

Also I won't be suprised if this is going to happen again even if he got into dental school 😀

I'll make a reminder in the next the future 😎

 

[pharmDman8]

Regardless, having a make-up exam after you failed the first one is reasonable. having more than one make-up exam after you fail the first and second one shows how little knowledge or ambition the student has and shows how pathethic a school is. in the real world, making one mistakes is all it takes to harm a patient.

 

[Steady-State]

So my question is if remediation exams are similar if not exactly like the first exam. Are students allowed to memorize questions from exams and reuse them for remediations? What if someone copied the first exam word for word and gave them out to classmates?

 

[quacker]

So my question is if remediation exams are similar if not exactly like the first exam. Are students allowed to memorize questions from exams and reuse them for remediations? What if someone copied the first exam word for word and gave them out to classmates?

From what I heard, that actually happened at hicp. You got students who would desperately do anything to be a pharmacist, even if it means cheating. I was told that students figured out a system where each student remembered a question and shared it with each other to pass their exams. 👎

 

[JohnUNLV]

If I am not mistaken, I think this is what happened to John. He took the exam, didn't pass on several tries and got kick out or just took off 🙁

I won't be suprised if he is still going on here and chatting by NEXT YEAR when he don't even know what's going on 👎 or maybe his connection have no updated him or wont last very long anyways, but thanks them for their contribution also!

Also I won't be suprised that this is going to happen again even if he got into Dental School

I'll be back as a reminder in the near future 😎

Yes, please come back again with some more literate and coherent posts lmao
You're pathetic and your post shows it, get a life and try to get into a real school. In the meantime you can go find out how few times I remediated, putz.

 

[manland]

From what I heard, that actually happened at hicp. You got students who would desperately do anything to be a pharmacist, even if it means cheating. I was told that students figured out a system where each student remembered a question and shared it with each other to pass their exams. 👎

I was told that those students who have already left or about to leave and who goes on here would do, I meant would say just about anything even if it means distorting the truth.

Again, I won't suprise if those students are not here any longer for the next coming year.

Should I make another reminder?

 

[JohnUNLV]

So my question is if remediation exams are similar if not exactly like the first exam. Are students allowed to memorize questions from exams and reuse them for remediations? What if someone copied the first exam word for word and gave them out to classmates?

If you go to HICP, you already know then that this is EXACTLY what happens. Many MANY remedation exams have been PRECISELY the same as the first, a FEW (the vast MINORITY) have been different but on the same material.

I'll make a reminder in the next the future

Yes, in THE next THE future please make a reminder of how brilliant and gifted you are

 

[JTD1972]

I was told that those students who have already left or about to leave and who goes on here would do, I meant would say just about anything even if it means distorting the truth.

Help me understand Jeddevil 🙄

 

[Jeddevil]

Help me understand Jeddevil 🙄

I would love to be able to help a fellow literate student. Most of these students fall under the same category, easily manipulated. I will make it easy for everyone. In the future, when a HICP student comes on here to spew his incoherent jargon, refer to the following:

"Hi, my name is (fill in the name of the current illeterate HICP student). I am either too stupid to realize I am being screwed out of thousands of dollars, or too brainwashed by my excellent faculty to believe what is apparent. I do live in America so when I can't get a job as a pharmacist in a few years, I will just declare bankruptcy and walk away from my debt obligations. And I will have had a nice 3 year Hawaii vacation. Mahalo!"

It will probably be written in the following form though:

"Aloha, I manland say, you, don't know guys that is going ons here. Knows I whats going on and anyone leave is dumberer than me must be. Missing out they on many vacations, and saving moneys they are, but HICP great school, and none yous knows what its like to tale your peps that I's blowing all my parents's monies on this school. I stay and force it get better do I. Peace little barking girl dogs!!!"

Glad I could be of service. 😉

 

[Steady-State]

If you go to HICP, you already know then that this is EXACTLY what happens. Many MANY remedation exams have been PRECISELY the same as the first, a FEW (the vast MINORITY) have been different but on the same material.

You know what's worse? On several instances, an instructor has given HICP students questions and answers on the exam word for word. These are different from study guides topics, similar practice problems, these are the actual exam questions!!! So you really don't have to learn anything. You can pratically sit there and memorize ONLY questions and answers and pass your exams.

Oh and if you don't pass or didn't have all the questions the first time, just wait until the remediation when you or some of your classmates have seen the first exam, get a copy, and memorize the rest of the questions and answers you missed.

I suppose the school has 240 perfect students since no one has been dismissed or left because of academic reasons. But you can be kicked out for calling ACPE. huh? I wonder why?

That's quality pharmacy education for you.

 

[quacker]

Oh and if you don't pass or didn't have all the questions the first time, just wait until the remediation when you or some of your classmates have seen the first exam, get a copy, and memorize the rest of the questions and answers you missed.

I suppose the school has 240 perfect students since no one has been dismissed or left because of academic reasons. But you can be kicked out for calling ACPE. huh? I wonder why?

That's quality pharmacy education for you.

How horrible.

 

[museabuse]

I have a question. There are many foreign pharmacists who are practicing who did not go to an ACPE accredited university. They are allowed to take the naplex and practice.

Lets say HICP graduates its first class but of course are not accredited by ACPE. Why can’t they fall under the same clause as the foreign students?

I had a Korean intern who decided to come to America to work as a pharmacist. He worked for some drug company in Korea, who knows what kind of a school he went to it could have been a Chinese herbal pharmacy school. He was working at my store and learned English from watching Friends and it was kinda scary some of the things he didn’t know… like all of the drugs. Well he studied and passed the naplex and now he is a pharmacist.

For as bad as HICP is maybe the education is better than some of these foreign pharmacists. Do you think that the HICP graduates would be able to practice or sit for naplex due to some exception?

 

[JohnUNLV]

I have a question. There are many foreign pharmacists who are practicing who did not go to an ACPE accredited university. They are allowed to take the naplex and practice.

Lets say HICP graduates its first class but of course are not accredited by ACPE. Why can’t they fall under the same clause as the foreign students?

For as bad as HICP is maybe the education is better than some of these foreign pharmacists. Do you think that the HICP graduates would be able to practice or sit for naplex due to some exception?

Simply put, No. To answer your question of why can't they fall under the same clause as foreign students... because they aren't foreign? At least in terms of where they are getting their education they aren't foreign. There is a whole lot of legislature involving foreign educated pharmacists, I don't begin to know exactly what rules they have to go through and what not, but the simple fact is that HICP is not a foreign school.

And one major point that no one is bringing up is that these students wont ever get to do their rotations as long as the school doesn't have candidate status. That means all they can do is finish their "academic coursework" and wait around until they are allowed to do their residencies. Therefore, it is plausible that no one will ever graduate from HICP, so there won't be an issue of trying to gain an exemption and sit for the boards.

 

[JohnUNLV]

You know what's worse? On several instances, an instructor has given HICP students questions and answers on the exam word for word. These are different from study guides topics, similar practice problems, these are the actual exam questions!!! So you really don't have to learn anything. You can pratically sit there and memorize ONLY questions and answers and pass your exams.
That's quality pharmacy education for you.

unbelievably, this is true. 🙄

 

[pharmDman8]

And one major point that no one is bringing up is that these students wont ever get to do their rotations as long as the school doesn't have candidate status. That means all they can do is finish their "academic coursework" and wait around until they are allowed to do their residencies. Therefore, it is plausible that no one will ever graduate from HICP, so there won't be an issue of trying to gain an exemption and sit for the boards.

Residencies? what residency program would accept a student without doing their rotation?

 

[manland]

Simply put, No. To answer your question of why can't they fall under the same clause as foreign students... because they aren't foreign? At least in terms of where they are getting their education they aren't foreign. There is a whole lot of legislature involving foreign educated pharmacists, I don't begin to know exactly what rules they have to go through and what not, but the simple fact is that HICP is not a foreign school.

And one major point that no one is bringing up is that these students wont ever get to do their rotations as long as the school doesn't have candidate status. That means all they can do is finish their "academic coursework" and wait around until they are allowed to do their residencies. Therefore, it is plausible that no one will ever graduate from HICP, so there won't be an issue of trying to gain an exemption and sit for the boards.

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Let me just sit back and laugh...words words words...or actions?

on SDN? justification? 😀

speak now or forever hold your peace

 

[henderson]

These types of remarks that's been made throughout this thread would not be made if one of the students attending HICP were your own sister, brother, or friend...unless you have been in the shoes of the HICP students, do not judge them the way you have.

These are not stupid, gullible people but people who had hopes that this institution would grant a second chance to those people who have not had such perfect life as you may have had...at least for me, i had hoped so.

 

[manland]

These types of remarks that's been made throughout this thread would not be made if one of the students attending HICP were your own sister, brother, or friend...unless you have been in the shoes of the HICP students, do not judge them the way you have.

These are not stupid, gullible people but people who had hopes that this institution would grant a second chance to those people who have not had such perfect life as you may have had...at least for me, i had hoped so.

Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A) 🙄
B) 👎 whiner
C) 🙁
D) 😴
E) 😕

😎

 

[JudynM]

unbelievably, this is true. 🙄

John, you're just too brilliant! Your 'brilliant' choice to spend 30G+ at HICP
and now 'trash talk' about anything at SND is unbelievable...a true fact!

And now you're going to make another 'brilliant' choice at dental school? Deja vu?

 

[dgroulx]

You know what's worse? On several instances, an instructor has given HICP students questions and answers on the exam word for word. These are different from study guides topics, similar practice problems, these are the actual exam questions!!! So you really don't have to learn anything. You can pratically sit there and memorize ONLY questions and answers and pass your exams.

Oh and if you don't pass or didn't have all the questions the first time, just wait until the remediation when you or some of your classmates have seen the first exam, get a copy, and memorize the rest of the questions and answers you missed.

And people wondered why they didn't get accredited?

 

[dgroulx]

These are not stupid, gullible people but people who had hopes that this institution would grant a second chance to those people who have not had such perfect life as you may have had...at least for me, i had hoped so.

I think if they are capable students, then they can apply and be accepted at another school of pharmacy. If they can be accepted elsewhere but choose to stay at HICP then yes, they are probably gullible. If they can't be accepted elsewhere, then they should rethink their career options.

It has nothing to do with having had a perfect life. It is applying yourself and doing what it takes to get into pharmacy school. I know several people that have impeccable grammar and English is their second language. You know that you have to write an essay for pharmacy school admission. If a person wanted to get into pharmacy school badly enough, they would have put more effort into studying English. It's not just how well you do in organic chemistry. When you can't write in a coherent fashion, it makes you look stupid.

 

[Jeddevil]

I think if they are capable students, then they can apply and be accepted at another school of pharmacy. If they can be accepted elsewhere but choose to stay at HICP then yes, they are probably gullible. If they can't be accepted elsewhere, then they should rethink their career options.

It has nothing to do with having had a perfect life. It is applying yourself and doing what it takes to get into pharmacy school. I know several people that have impeccable grammar and English is their second language. You know that you have to write an essay for pharmacy school admission. If a person wanted to get into pharmacy school badly enough, they would have put more effort into studying English. It's not just how well you do in organic chemistry. When you can't write in a coherent fashion, it makes you look stupid.

Great take!!! I love the "perfect life" line. That is a typical sob story used by those who feel that they are just picked on, and their current situation has to do more with how others have it easy, more than how they didn't work hard enough. Take responsibility for your own actions. If you want to go to a school that is not a fraud, then work harder, get your grades and pcat up higher, and learn to write the English language. If you want to sit back and feel like you are picked on, that it isn't your fault, that you just don't have a "perfect life", well, there are always places like HICP waiting to take your hard earned cash.

One thing about America is you can always sit back and feel sorry for yourself and not do anything to better your situation. Or you can get off your butt and better your grades and skills so you can earn a spot where you want to go. Don't expect others to care either way what you do, because we all have our own things to worry about. But, in America, you do have a chance to get what you want if you work hard enough for it. This "perfect life" line is a bunch of bull$hit, feel bad for my poor a$$ social crap.

 

[Requiem]

You know I was seriously when I said stop replying individually to all the students. For god's sake, I mean how often do you need to keep proving it to yourselves? They're obviously struggling academically and don't have the GPA to apply elsewhere, they're also obviously barely considered an "english" student to begin with. It seems like its a continual probe of amusement to see what kind of incoherent ridiculous reply we can force them to come up with next. Since this is a Pharmacy forum, i'm assuming everyone posting is admitted into a school of pharmacy. Well, that's 99%, but there are HICP members who are not into a school of pharmacy. This is clearly a source of contention for these HICP students, so I mean just leave them be I guess.

A terrible analogy would be don't poke the animals 🙁


Maybe we should let this thread, along with the school, die.

 

[Jeddevil]

You know I was seriously when I said stop replying individually to all the students.
Maybe we should let this thread, along with the school, die.

Thanks for telling us all what we should and shouldn't reply to. You know, if you are bothered by it, you can always skip the thread.

 

[Requiem]

If that's what you think my motive was, think harder. It's the HICP students that are clearly getting bothered.

 

[Jeddevil]

OK. Sorry about that.

 

[OoShimmeroO]

For some reason, I have a feeling that ACPE will feel sorry for HICP students and eventually accredit the school. They might bring in some sort of committee to oversee the school and initiate positive changes. Who knows, we might be working alongside HICP alumni in the next three or four years 🙂

 

[ZhengYing]

It's plain and simple. Why don't all you "perfect English speakers" go live in Vietnam and attend a pharmacy school over there. Let's see if the native speakers over there will make fun of you or not and let's see how that will make you feel. People, please, why are we so ignorant? Understand that just by being in this country we are already secondary to the whites and blacks of America, but we are trying our best to be sucessful. although we can't write or read well like the native speakers, we are just as brilliant in other areas. Math, science, art..those anybody can do. But language is probably the hardest thing to pick up. Do you want us to tell ourselves that just because we suck at this and that and we should give up. Don't forget that our ancestors were once criticized and judged by others when they first came to America. What did they do? They ignored what other people said about them and did their best to become successful and then they produced you hypocrits. Now, look at what you're doing, making fun of other people. What do you know about these people? Nothing! What do you know about witnessing their moms, aunts, sisters and cousins getting raped by pirates at sea. What do you know about seeing your fathers, uncles and brothers getting thrown into the sea to be eaten alive by sharks? What do you know about living in refugee camps? What do you know about having two bananas for each family per week? What do you know about coming to America with nothing? What do you know about living on food stamps? What do you know about being poor? What do you know about hope and determination? You know nothing! All you do is make yourself feel a little better by making everyone else that you think is less of you...feel lesser. Most of HICP students are Vietnamese immigrants. In fact, some are in their mid to late 30s and have lived in America for only 2-3 years. Let's just give these people credit for even being in school and trying to become something. If they can't speak or write English well and are not doing anything, then yes, you can criticize them. But you can't discredit them for being in school. If anything, blame the school for not giving them the proper education. HICP has no guidelines whatsoever. I have no problem with a school kicking out "unqualified" students. You guys, what if some of these people at HICP were your brothers and sisters or your close friends, would you still discredit them or tell them that you support them for trying to become pharmacists. There are a lot of so called "good English speakers and writers" who are nothing...just junkies. Go ahead and criticize them for their lack of effort and determination. Folks, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it. And if you have something bad to say, then say it in a more intelligent way.

 

[OoShimmeroO]

Why don't all you "perfect English speakers" go live in Vietnam and attend a pharmacy school over there. Let's see if the native speakers over there make fun of you and let's see how that will make you feel.

I'm sure they wouldn't accept me with open arms - let alone grant me admission into their professional pharmacy programs. They'd probably throw me in some third world prision just for the heck of it.

 

[BMBiology]

For some reason, I have a feeling that ACPE will feel sorry for HICP students and eventually accredit the school. They might bring in some sort of committee to oversee the school and initiate positive changes. Who knows, we might be working alongside HICP alumni in the next three or four years

They may throw you in prison for being stupid enough to believe that the ACPE will grant accreditation to HICP out of pity.

 

[BMBiology]

You know that you have to write an essay for pharmacy school admission. If a person wanted to get into pharmacy school badly enough, they would have put more effort into studying English. It's not just how well you do in organic chemistry. When you can't write in a coherent fashion, it makes you look stupid.

You are asserting that they did not put enough effort to learn English because they did not want to get into pharmacy school "bad enough". Let me remind you that not only the majority of these students are immigrants but they worked extremely hard to save enough money for their education. Before you make such an ignorant statement about their lack of effort, think about your situation and how difficult it was for you to change profession, many years after you have graduated from college.

They are being taken advantage of but yet some members of this forum still feel the need to bash them. It really shows how big you are as a health care professional and more importantly, as a person. I would ask you to have some compassion and understanding but you need a heart for that.

Keep your focus on the ACPE, not on students at HICP. They are the gatekeepers

 

[Caverject]

What do you know about witnessing their moms, aunts, sisters and cousins getting raped by pirates at sea. What do you know about seeing your fathers, uncles and brothers getting thrown into the sea to be eaten alive by sharks? What do you know about living in refugee camps? What do you know about having two bananas for each family per week? What do you know about coming to America with nothing? What do you know about living on food stamps? What do you know about being poor? What do you know about hope and determination?.....

Pirates at sea? Sharks? Give me a break dude. There are many on this board from Vietnam, and none have gone to the depths for pity like you have. Congrats!

Folks, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it. And if you have something bad to say, then say it in a more intelligent way.

Well, this is about as non-intelligent as it gets. You say "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it." Then you go and contradict that statement in the very next sentence by "And if you have something bad to say, then say it in a more intelligent way". Smooth move there, exlax.

 

[Caverject]

These are not stupid, gullible people but people who had hopes that this institution would grant a second chance to those people who have not had such perfect life as you may have had...at least for me, i had hoped so.

Oh yeah, all of us in pharmacy school have lived perfect lives to get in. Give me a break.

 

[dgroulx]

You are asserting that they did not put enough effort to learn English because they did not want to get into pharmacy school "bad enough". Let me remind you that not only the majority of these students are immigrants but they worked extremely hard to save enough money for their education. Before you make such an ignorant statement about their lack of effort, think about your situation and how difficult it was for you to change profession, many years after you have graduated from college.

There are Vietnamese and other immigrants in my class, too. They managed to become proficient in English before applying. I'm sure the same can be said about every pharmacy school in the country. What makes these students different from others? It can only be the amount of drive and ambition that they have compared to others.

 

[BMBiology]

What makes these students different from others? It can only be the amount of drive and ambition that they have compared to others.

I am not going to explain to you how difficult it is to learn another language after a certain age. I think you understand that. However, I dont think you understand that effort does not necessary mean results.

 

[ZhengYing]

Pirates at sea? Sharks? Give me a break dude. There are many on this board from Vietnam, and none have gone to the depths for pity like you have. Congrats!



Well, this is about as non-intelligent as it gets. You say "if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it." Then you go and contradict that statement in the very next sentence by "And if you have something bad to say, then say it in a more intelligent way". Smooth move there, exlax.

It just so happens that I am a Vietnamese and was born and raised in Vietnam before coming to the U.S. and maybe I know a thing or two more about them than you do. I wouldn't considered the American-born Vietnamese "from" Vietnam. A few fortunate people came to America by plane, but most had to escape by boat. I suggest you google "boat people" or "Vietnamese immigrants" or "Vietnamese boat people" and do a research before making that comment. I was one of them. I don't want your pity; I just want to share my stories with you, so you know where I come from. It would be nice just to hear you say, "I feel you man" or "I understand how that affected you." That's all! I am sure there's something about your past that makes who you are today. We have to respect one another, ya know!!! Just gotta' hear out what people have to say b4 judging the validity of their stories.

BTW, This is so embarrassing or should I say non-intelligent! Let me revise it for you. It should've read, "If you don't have anything nice to say then I "suggest" that you don't say it at all. But if you truly insists, then may I suggest that you say it in a more intelligent way." Sorry about the contradiction, as you know English is my "second" language. It's always so nice to have native speakers correct my writing. You are so helpful! Thanks for looking out!

 

[ZhengYing]

I am not going to explain to you how difficult it is to learn another language after a certain age. I think you understand that. However, I dont think you understand that effort does not necessary mean results.

It takes a lot of things to get results, effort happens to be one of them.

 

[pharmDman8]

It's plain and simple. Why don't all you "perfect English speakers" go live in Vietnam and attend a pharmacy school over there. Let's see if the native speakers over there will make fun of you or not and let's see how that will make you feel.

Why should we? pretty happy working in the good USA!

People, please, why are we so ignorant? Understand that just by being in this country we are already secondary to the whites and blacks of America, but we are trying our best to be sucessful.

secondary in what way? have you walked around hawaii? most people are not white (but asian), and the only blacks are mostly from the military.

although we can't write or read well like the native speakers, we are just as brilliant in other areas. Math, science, art..those anybody can do. But language is probably the hardest thing to pick up.

not an excuse. communication is vital part of our profession. doesn't matter how smart you are. if you can't communicate, that intelligence is wasted.

Do you want us to tell ourselves that just because we suck at this and that and we should give up. Don't forget that our ancestors were once criticized and judged by others when they first came to America. What did they do? They ignored what other people said about them and did their best to become successful and then they produced you hypocrits. Now, look at what you're doing, making fun of other people. What do you know about these people? Nothing! What do you know about witnessing their moms, aunts, sisters and cousins getting raped by pirates at sea. What do you know about seeing your fathers, uncles and brothers getting thrown into the sea to be eaten alive by sharks? What do you know about living in refugee camps? What do you know about having two bananas for each family per week? What do you know about coming to America with nothing? What do you know about living on food stamps? What do you know about being poor? What do you know about hope and determination? You know nothing! All you do is make yourself feel a little better by making everyone else that you think is less of you...feel lesser.

blah blah blah....

Most of HICP students are Vietnamese immigrants. In fact, some are in their mid to late 30s and have lived in America for only 2-3 years. Let's just give these people credit for even being in school and trying to become something. If they can't speak or write English well and are not doing anything, then yes, you can criticize them. But you can't discredit them for being in school. If anything, blame the school for not giving them the proper education. HICP has no guidelines whatsoever. I have no problem with a school kicking out "unqualified" students. You guys, what if some of these people at HICP were your brothers and sisters or your close friends, would you still discredit them or tell them that you support them for trying to become pharmacists. There are a lot of so called "good English speakers and writers" who are nothing...just junkies. Go ahead and criticize them for their lack of effort and determination. Folks, if you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it. And if you have something bad to say, then say it in a more intelligent way.

my school is predominantly asian. of which, vietnamese is the majority. they may have an accent, but evey one of them has excellent grammar and writing skills.

i think most people are just surprised how poorly a person in pharmacy school can write. we're just don't see that type poor grammar at our own school. it looks poorly at our profession, if a person cannot communicate well.

 

[ZhengYing]

Why should we? pretty happy working in the good USA!


secondary in what way? have you walked around hawaii? most people are not white (but asian), and the only blacks are mostly from the military.


not an excuse. communication is vital part of our profession. doesn't matter how smart you are. if you can't communicate, that intelligence is wasted.


blah blah blah....


my school is predominantly asian. of which, vietnamese is the majority. they may have an accent, but evey one of them has excellent grammar and writing skills.

i think most people are just surprised how poorly a person in pharmacy school can write. we're just don't see that type poor grammar at our own school. it looks poorly at our profession, if a person cannot communicate well.

Thanks for responding to my post! Blah! Blah! is not the correct response, "I understand where you're coming from and I respect that" is more accepted. I didn't ask you to do anything, so you really didn't have to write "why should we". It was just an analogy ya know! If you think so and so is this and that, then why don't you put yourself in that situation and experience it for yourself. Intelligence and communication, I think you need both. You'd need to communicate intelligently, don't you? I didn't know that Hawaii represented the whole country. Accent is subjective! So is it you or them that have the accent? No poor grammar at your own school! Speak for yourself!

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. But if you insists, then say it with respect and intelligence."

"Really, you can be a smart-ass by speaking respectfully."

"Share your thoughts and feelings, not your bias opinions."

"Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their own shoes."

 

[ultracet]

Ok folks time for my two cents.....

I understand the frustrations of posters on this board when they read some posts that are largly made from runon sentences, poor grammer, and incorrect usage of words. It takes me several minutes to read these posts and try to comprehend what is being said. It also is very difficult to read posts that are one giant block.

I prefer breaks in my posts and when I am reading so I can keep up with where I am.

That being said...

I am a horrible speller. I don't think horrible is the word for it. I know I can't spell and avoid many words that I know I spell incorrectly.
When I do misspell a word (as I'm sure I have in this very post) it really is a pain for everyone to jump on me for it. I tend to think.... refute the content not the spelling.

I know I am always suprised when someone in pharmacy school cannot communicate effectively with me via written communication. I feel that communication is vital to the field and I'm sure its concerning to everyone. I would never pretend that I could go somewhere where english was not the primary language and effectively help anyone.

I personally would prefer that everyone remain civil in these discussions. For those of you who do not write very well... try to hit "enter" every once in a while and stick with words you know (as i do) and for those of you who do and it irritates try to chill out about it.



Ok so question for the HICP students: How does the language barrier effect you in classes? on tests?

I know personally i have had points taken off for misspelling words on tests. Do your professors do anything like that?

 

[lava2]

"They may throw you in prison for being stupid enough to believe that the ACPE will grant accreditation to HICP out of pity."

👍 👍 ACPE is a legit organization with ethics and morals. They are no fools, and are on the limelight with the HICP issue. They will do nothing to jeapordize their reputation as accreditors. :

 

[lava2]

Has anyone filed a formal complaint yet with ACPE regarding HICP's unethical admission process for the P1 class, the threats against students if calling ACPE, the firing of Senior Administrators for no apparent logical reason (that can be proven-not just by what Hasan and Monroe say), the methods in which they knowingly and willingly continue not to abide by ACPE standards, guidlines, policies, etc., the method in which ACPE asked them to differentiate the Corporation and the College but yet the Corporation is still the masterminds of all College activities, actions, etc. ................
Starting with Standard 1-30 the list can go on.

Just wondering if ACPE has recieved any yet.

 

[humbleRx]

You know I was seriously when I said stop replying individually to all the students. For god's sake, I mean how often do you need to keep proving it to yourselves? They're obviously struggling academically and don't have the GPA to apply elsewhere, they're also obviously barely considered an "english" student to begin with. It seems like its a continual probe of amusement to see what kind of incoherent ridiculous reply we can force them to come up with next. Since this is a Pharmacy forum, i'm assuming everyone posting is admitted into a school of pharmacy. Well, that's 99%, but there are HICP members who are not into a school of pharmacy. This is clearly a source of contention for these HICP students, so I mean just leave them be I guess.

A terrible analogy would be don't poke the animals 🙁


Maybe we should let this thread, along with the school, die.

Well, I guess you already "poke the animal". I don't know if you ever have a dog at home, because I used to live near a field that have a lot of stray dogs gather at night for barking the loudest and sometime bite each other. Everynight, I have to listen to all the loud noise and some time have to call animal control to handle them. Everytime I read these hippocrite post up here, I keep thinking about how those dog keep barking and make no sense for people to grab the concept. There is a saying "talk the talk, walk the walk", if you are not in the school, back off, you are not one of us and you have clearly no idea what we had been through. I guess most of you still in pharmacy school so don't judge people while you have not finish your job yet. If you are not ACPE then don't judge how we speak, write or study. You are not that different from us. We are all pharmacy students. If you really want to judge us, wait until after our class graduated couple years and see who make more money down the line. So don't say anything when you are not in the position to speak, or else it just like a stray dog barking at my house. You cannot win the battle and clearly you can't win the war.
For those who are in class that think to pass an exam by memory the question, a lot of other classes at other schools are similar like that too, you just don't hear or see much. We are not the only one doing it. It up to the professor to decide how the information get to the students, and if he or she think that retake the test can get the students learn more then they can take that option. We also have class that does not have remediation call pharmacokinetic, and pharmaceutic class. The point I didn't get is why do you make it sound like we are the easy school and obviously it make you look stupid by telling only one side of the story. For your information, I am one of those students almost always past the first time, and I almost don't need remediation. If you think you can do better why don't you leave the school and see if you can do better at another school. Don't be another Don Quixote!
The bottom line here is don't say anything by hearing through rumors. Wait and see everything settle down then say something. Even though you see some different, but don't jump for the conclusion right away. Just wait and see! If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. Most important of all, if you are not in the position to speak, keep your mouth shut. Like the Rock said, " Know your role!!!" And if any of you ever try to reply this message, you are just the same to those stray dogs next to my house.

 

[henderson]

I agree with your post. It is a serious concern that many of the students can't effectively communicate...they should think about learning English before thinking about applying to Pharmcy schools...although I know that they are competent in science subjects if they can't communicate...what good is the knowlege in their brain?

 

[bananaface]

People who lack communication skills are a liability to their patients, regardless of the reason for the shortfall. That's not an opinion, just a slice of reality.

There do seem to be quite a few students from HICP who could work on their grammar and so forth. There are also some students from HICP who are very well spoken. I guess I will just point out that some of the people who have been writing poorly are trolls, so it brings attention to the whole situation which it may or may not truly deserve.