P1 hicp students

[henderson]

---

Members don't see this ad.

For me, I clearly knew that this school was not accredited when I made my decision to attend. While I was doing the research about this school, the board member from the ACPE did tell me that the school has decided to go against the ACPE's advice of obtaining the pre-candidate status before enrolling the students. But he also told me that this is not against the so called a rule.

He also told me that as long as HICP follows the rules and guidelines of ACPE, HICP will most likely be accredited. He also did not forget to mention to me that in the history of pharmacy schools, NO SCHOOL has ever been denied of accreditation.

And...after hearing that from the board member, I decided to fly to Hawaii and take a look at this place. Because I was familiar with the physical location of where the USN started (in the beginning, they only had a few computers in the library with not many books, etc and plus they were leasing lecture rooms to teach the students....they didn't have the building initially) Thus, the lecture rooms housed within the bank of hawaii building didn't look too odd because i had seen what it looked like for the USN.

I took a risk with this school knowing that there is a chance that this might not work out but I had hoped that it will work out. And it did seem look like it was going to be okay initially but after several months of being here, many of the promises that were made by the school had turned out to be empty promises.

I will move on with my life knowing and realizing even more that pharmacy is what I want to do because I DO REALLY want to make a difference in people's lives for the better in my own way and I think this is something I will be good at it. If it is not at this institution, then I will get my education at a place that recognizes an individual's perseverance, compassion, and competence for the field of pharmacy. And I hope others will do the same.

 

[pharmacology]

I think jdpharmD has forgotten something very important....every school in the nation has gone though an accreditation process. Just because it is a new school does not mean it won't be a good school or get accreditation. Nor does it mean a red flag. I don't know the percentage of schools that screw up their accreditation process but I believe it to be quite low.

And for every one member of this board who understands a lot about the pharmacy school process, I could find you 10-20 who know very little except they have to apply.....heck a few may not even know that until they talk to a counselor or call the school.

And with respect to my "shut up" comment - it pertained specifically to those who were criticizing the students. They applied to a school they thought had an honest intent to become accredited. Simply because it has not achieved full accreditation does not mean it was a bad school. Any new school, public or private, has the opportunity to do great things. Unfortunately they have the opportunity to do not so great things. Sometimes it is difficulty for the student to know which direction the school has taken until too late.

I also know of a few fully accredited pharmacy schools that ought not be operating...they graduate students who know so little it is scary.

And ACPE does basically hold your hand...the monitor the school throughout. They visit before the school is open to determing per-candidate status. The expect first year proposal/report to gain candidate status. They also do another site visit. This continues until graduation. The ACPE wants schools to operate appropriately....they also want to protect their reputation. It doesn't reflect well on them if a school does not function properly.....they attempt to keep close tabs on a school. Most of the time it works, in this case not.

 

[Caverject]

I think jdpharmD has forgotten something very important....every school in the nation has gone though an accreditation process. Just because it is a new school does not mean it won't be a good school or get accreditation. Nor does it mean a red flag. I don't know the percentage of schools that screw up their accreditation process but I believe it to be quite low.

And for every one member of this board who understands a lot about the pharmacy school process, I could find you 10-20 who know very little except they have to apply.....heck a few may not even know that until they talk to a counselor or call the school.

And with respect to my "shut up" comment - it pertained specifically to those who were criticizing the students. They applied to a school they thought had an honest intent to become accredited. Simply because it has not achieved full accreditation does not mean it was a bad school. Any new school, public or private, has the opportunity to do great things. Unfortunately they have the opportunity to do not so great things. Sometimes it is difficulty for the student to know which direction the school has taken until too late.

I also know of a few fully accredited pharmacy schools that ought not be operating...they graduate students who know so little it is scary.

And ACPE does basically hold your hand...the monitor the school throughout. They visit before the school is open to determing per-candidate status. The expect first year proposal/report to gain candidate status. They also do another site visit. This continues until graduation. The ACPE wants schools to operate appropriately....they also want to protect their reputation. It doesn't reflect well on them if a school does not function properly.....they attempt to keep close tabs on a school. Most of the time it works, in this case not.

pcol,

JD knows about the process about as well as I know the process. (Which is very well) He never insinuated new schools = bad, rather new schools without following the ACPE protocol is bad.

 

[bananaface]

pharmacology-
When you try and tell us "how it is" all you do is show us that you haven't bothered to read the relevant threads before replying. The regulars here already know how it is.

As far as the number of schools to screw up the application process, HICP is the first and only one to do so.

 

[pharmacology]

pcol,

JD knows about the process about as well as I know the process. (Which is very well) He never insinuated new schools = bad, rather new schools without following the ACPE protocol is bad.

He specifically stated in a previous thread that a school not fully accredited sends up a red flag. I don't know about you but a red flag to me means dangerous, stay away, warning, etc

My post, was not totally directed at JD. I read a number of the recent posts and saw where several individuals were criticizing the HICP students and calling them basically stupid and that they should have known not to go to HICP. I felt that was wrong so I replied. Not all students are as knowledgeable as the members of this board. While I think it is advisable to research and review the process and the school, not all do. I simply disagreed with several individuals here who seemed to be railing several HICP students. My intend was certainly not directed at every member of this board. If that is how it was read then I apologize.

 

[Caverject]

He specifically stated in a previous thread that a school not fully accredited sends up a red flag. I don't know about you but a red flag to me means dangerous, stay away, warning, etc

First of all, EVERY student who applied to HICP knew that they were not an accredited pharmacy school. Red flag #1.

I don't see the words fully accredited anywhere in this post. As you, jd, and I know, pre-candidate = accredited. Also, if the school has never had a class before, quite frankly the red flag should go up as it did for me before I entered South University's program. After doing my homework, I had no problem with attending the school.

 

[pharmDman8]

Has anyone gone public with the happenings at HICP? Besides this forum, I don't read or hear much about the school. Anyone talked with the governor of hawaii, newspapers (honolulu advertiser & star bulletin), state representatives?

 

[pharmacology]

I don't see the words fully accredited anywhere in this post. As you, jd, and I know, pre-candidate = accredited. Also, if the school has never had a class before, quite frankly the red flag should go up as it did for me before I entered South University's program. After doing my homework, I had no problem with attending the school.

Pre-candidate is NOT accredited. Pre-candidate means that ACPE has determined the school X appears genuine and we/ACPE believe, that based on what we have seen and heard, we autHorize the institution to begin allowing students to begin study. Furthermore, ACPE shall keep an eye on School X to assess if they contintue the process as stated in their original petition to begin a pharmacy school and in their pre-candidate petition/report. Schools must follow the ACPE process in order to receive accreditation once students graduate.

It does not mean they are accredited. Infact I believe HICP had precandidate status...they were going up for candidate status (I could be wrong...anyone want to verify?).

 

[bananaface]

It does not mean they are accredited. Infact I believe HICP had precandidate status...they were going up for candidate status (I could be wrong...anyone want to verify?).

HICP never had pre-candidate status. Their application was submitted and considered at the January 2005 meeting. At that time, ACPE denied the application and advised the school to withdraw it.

 

[ultracet]

. Infact I believe HICP had precandidate status...they were going up for candidate status (I could be wrong...anyone want to verify?).

That is the big deal on this thread....

they didn't go for accreditation the way EVERYONE else has...

they went straight from nothing... skipped pre-candidate.... and tried for candidate status.


i believe the point has been brought up that no one was denied accreditation before and perhaps people didn't think HICP would either.... they may not have said "oh well we didn't do it like everyone else"

Other new schools go for precandidate- accept students- enter a class- then candidate status- then graduate a class- then accredited

i believe that's why JD and Caverject felt comfortable going to their schools when they did along with everyone else....

they went about things the appropriate way

HICP did not

 

[jdpharmd?]

It does not mean they are accredited. Infact I believe HICP had precandidate status...they were going up for candidate status (I could be wrong...anyone want to verify?).

One of the major points of this thread is that HICP didn't and still does not have even PRE-candidate status. They "skipped" the step. I think they skipped it in order to look more "almost accredited" than they actually were. I.E. "Don't worry students, we're not playing games with that PRE junk, we're going right for the gold CANDIDTATE status!"... which of course they were rejected for. Now they are left with the "nothing" status.

 

[jdpharmd?]

i believe that's why JD and Caverject felt comfortable going to their schools when they did along with everyone else....

My school (MWU-Glendale) was 100% fully accredited when I applied and enrolled. They've been around since 1998 (pharm) and since 1995 (D.O. degree). Their first class graduated at least 2 years before I enrolled, and they have a sister campus in Illinois, which has been around for longer. I did apply to LECOM, which was not accredited at the time. I think they have gotten the OK by now...

 

[BMBiology]

Official Complaint to the ACPE about HICP:

Hello Joanna: I am writing to you not only as a concerned pharmacy student, but to express my disappointment as well.

I believe that the HICP has consciously and repeatedly violated many of the policies set forth by the ACPE. This is the 3rd time that I have complained to you about the content of the college's website. Almost a year ago, I contacted the ACPE when the college stated on its website that it has filed for pre-candidate status with the ACPE. This is absolutely false. Almost 2 months ago, I emailed you to inform the college to update its accreditation status and although the website has recently been updated with information about the acting dean, its accreditation status has not. It still states it is "….Working to revise the Application and anticipate resubmitting it for review at the June 2005 ACPE Board of Directors meeting". This conclusively shows that the college is still misleading prospective students. This is simply not acceptable in a profession that takes pride in trust and honesty. I am again asking you to pressure the college to do the right thing.

I also find it very disturbing that the Hasan and Monroe have threatened to expel any HICP students that contact the ACPE. I will not refer to these 2 individuals as "Dr" because they are no more than common greedy and heartless businessmen. They have repeatedly lied to HICP students and they are still continuing to misinform prospective students for financial gains. This shows not only their disregard for the ACPE and the profession, but it also shows that the ACPE has not been effective in protecting future pharmacy students from misguided information. Therefore, it has so far failed to protect the future of the profession.

It has been almost a year since the college first enrolled a record number of students but the college is still “revising” their application for candidate accreditation. The dean and the associated deans left months ago. It has not started construction on a permanent facility but yet, its website still states that construction will “begin early spring of 2004”. This college is not even comparable to vocational colleges like DeVry but yet, it is seeking approval to grant doctorate degrees in pharmacy.

I understand that the ACPE asked the college to "withdraw" its application but many prospective students do not understand the importance of such strong language. I believe that the ACPE need to issue a clear and direct warning about HICP. This is the only way for prospective students, as well as HICP students to clearly understand the college’s history of deceptions and dire situation. I sincerely hope that the APCE will take a stronger stance and use language that everyone will understand. This is my hope as a concerned pharmacy student, as well as an avid supporter of pharmacy education.

cc: Hasan, Honolulu Star, American Journal of Pharmaceutical Education

ACPE Reply:
I have forwarded your complaint to the Director for Professional Degree
Program Accreditation, Dr. Jeffrey Wadelin.

Sincerely,
Joanna M. Knych
Program Assistant, Professional Degree Program Accreditation
Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education (ACPE)
20 North Clark Street, Suite 2500
Chicago, Illinois 60602-5109
(P) 312.664.3575
(F) 312.664.4652
(E) [email protected]
Website: www.acpe-accredit.org

Just take a few minutes to let the ACPE know how you feel

 

[ultracet]

My school (MWU-Glendale) was 100% fully accredited when I applied and enrolled. They've been around since 1998 (pharm) and since 1995 (D.O. degree). Their first class graduated at least 2 years before I enrolled, and they have a sister campus in Illinois, which has been around for longer. I did apply to LECOM, which was not accredited at the time. I think they have gotten the OK by now...

great


didn't know


just knew you knew a lot about the process and went to a newer school

 

[Caverject]

Pre-candidate is NOT accredited. Pre-candidate means that ACPE has determined the school X appears genuine and we/ACPE believe, that based on what we have seen and heard, we autHorize the institution to begin allowing students to begin study. Furthermore, ACPE shall keep an eye on School X to assess if they contintue the process as stated in their original petition to begin a pharmacy school and in their pre-candidate petition/report. Schools must follow the ACPE process in order to receive accreditation once students graduate.

It does not mean they are accredited. Infact I believe HICP had precandidate status...they were going up for candidate status (I could be wrong...anyone want to verify?).

You have what pre-candidate status means correct, but the rest of it is based on interpretation. Pre-candidate status to me means being on the right track to full accreditation. Based on your interpretation, candidate status means not accredited either I would assume. Guess what you need in order to sit for the NAPLEX? A degree from an accredited program!

HICP was never pre-candidate status. They decided to skip and go straight to candidate status, which they were then told to withdraw their application.

 

[Steady-State]

BMBiology

Thank You for doing what you are doing. The other major newspaper on Oahu is the Honolulu Advertiser. Also there are several T.V. stations.

 

[hicphelp]

Official Complaint to the ACPE about HICP:

BMBiology,

great job 👍 👍 👍 👍 👍

 

[lava2]

👍 BM Biology 👍
Thank you, very much appreciated. Hopefully others will follow in your footstep as October 2005 nears. I'm sure Jeff read your complaint and will act upon it come October (though they (HICP) would've cashed in several millions by that time). 👍 👍

 

[lisi]

You have what pre-candidate status means correct, but the rest of it is based on interpretation. Pre-candidate status to me means being on the right track to full accreditation. Based on your interpretation, candidate status means not accredited either I would assume. Guess what you need in order to sit for the NAPLEX? A degree from an accredited program!

HICP was never pre-candidate status. They decided to skip and go straight to candidate status, which they were then told to withdraw their application.

Just to clear things up a little bit.....pre-candidate status does not mean the school is accredited...candidate status does not mean the school is accredited...only the designation "accredited" or "fully accredited" means accredited. Pre-candidate status and candidate status are designations that do, indeed, mean that the school's plans and actions are in line with ACPE standards. Precandidate status is only given to schools who have yet to admit a class. Because HICP admitted their first class without any status from ACPE, they had no choice but to apply for candidate status. Candidate status can be granted to a school that has students enrolled, but has not yet graduated a class. I'd encourage those of you who are interested to take a look at the ACPE website where you can find specific ACPE definitions of each of the stages of accreditation (pre-candidate, candidate, full).

Also, state boards of pharmacy recognize graduates of schools having candidate status as having "all the rights and privileges" of graduates from fully accredited pharmacy schools, meaning that typically, students graduating from schools having candidate status can sit for the licensure examination and become fully licensed pharmacists. There is a very practical reason for this....ACPE does not grant full accreditation until a school has gone through the entire curriculum with students enrolled (i.e., the school has to graduate a class). If candidate status weren't recognized for purposes of licensure, students graduating from the first class of a new college of pharmacy would never be able to be licensed. But that is not the case....having candidate status allows grads to take NAPLEX.

Also, I don't think that Midwestern-Glendale had full accreditation when it started its first class. Branch campuses can be classified one of two ways: either as a true branch of the original program (meaning that there is typically one administration and the curriculum is identical) or as a separate program within the same institution. In the first case, if the original program has full accreditation, the branch operates under that accreditation. Probably the most recent example of this type of program is U of Minnesota-Duluth. In the second case, the branch program must be accredited separately. I believe since the Midwestern-Chicago program is 4 years and the Midwestern-Glendale program is 3-years and has a separate administrative structure, that they must have separate accreditation status (not 100% sure on that).

Finally, there is a precedent for skipping precandidate status and later obtaining full accreditation. That was the case for Nevada. However, skipping precandidate status carries with it significant risks for the students enrolled. There is no "sanction" from ACPE for schools without precandidate status that the school's plans, intentions, organizational structure is in essence "sound". Perhaps the reason that Nevada was successful and HICP has been having difficulty is that Nevada's program was started by people who: 1) were pharmacists; 2) had been involved in pharmacy education for many years; 3) had been involved in starting new programs and seeing them through the accreditation process before; 4) got the pharmacy community in Nevada involved in the process; 5) were successful in obtaining experiential practice sites; and 6) had a plan that phased in growth in class size (started with 40 students, not 240!) To my knowledge, NONE of those 6 items were/are the case with HICP. Comparisons between USN and HICP really should not be made with respect to the accreditation process in light of these differences.

 

[jdpharmd?]

Also, I don't think that Midwestern-Glendale had full accreditation when it started its first class. Branch campuses can be classified one of two ways: either as a true branch of the original program (meaning that there is typically one administration and the curriculum is identical) or as a separate program within the same institution. In the first case, if the original program has full accreditation, the branch operates under that accreditation. Probably the most recent example of this type of program is U of Minnesota-Duluth. In the second case, the branch program must be accredited separately. I believe since the Midwestern-Chicago program is 4 years and the Midwestern-Glendale program is 3-years and has a separate administrative structure, that they must have separate accreditation status (not 100% sure on that).

You are correct, based on what I know. We are considered seperate schools by ACPE. However, even the Glendale campus was fully accredited when I applied and enrolled in 2003. Their first class graduated in 2001. I will be in their 6th graduating class.

 

[bias05]

Official Complaint to the ACPE about HICP:

Hello Joanna: I am writing to you not only as a concerned pharmacy student, but to express my disappointment as well.

I believe that the HICP has consciously and repeatedly violated many of the policies set forth by the ACPE. This is the 3rd time that I have complained to you about the content of the college's website. Almost a year ago, I contacted the ACPE when the college stated on its website that it has filed for pre-candidate status with the ACPE. This is absolutely false. Almost 2 months ago, I emailed you to inform the college to update its accreditation status and although the website has recently been updated with information about the acting dean, its accreditation status has not. It still states it is "….Working to revise the Application and anticipate resubmitting it for review at the June 2005 ACPE Board of Directors meeting". This conclusively shows that the college is still misleading prospective students. This is simply not acceptable in a profession that takes pride in trust and honesty. I am again asking you to pressure the college to do the right thing.

I also find it very disturbing that the Hasan and Monroe have threatened to expel any HICP students that contact the ACPE. I will not refer to these 2 individuals as "Dr" because they are no more than common greedy and heartless businessmen. They have repeatedly lied to HICP students and they are still continuing to misinform prospective students for financial gains. This shows not only their disregard for the ACPE and the profession, but it also shows that the ACPE has not been effective in protecting future pharmacy students from misguided information. Therefore, it has so far failed to protect the future of the profession.

It has been almost a year since the college first enrolled a record number of students but the college is still “revising” their application for candidate accreditation. The dean and the associated deans left months ago. It has not started construction on a permanent facility but yet, its website still states that construction will “begin early spring of 2004”. This college is not even comparable to vocational colleges like DeVry but yet, it is seeking approval to grant doctorate degrees in pharmacy.

I understand that the ACPE asked the college to "withdraw" its application but many prospective students do not understand the importance of such strong language. I believe that the ACPE need to issue a clear and direct warning about HICP. This is the only way for prospective students, as well as HICP students to clearly understand the college’s history of deceptions and dire situation. I sincerely hope that the APCE will take a stronger stance and use language that everyone will understand. This is my hope as a concerned pharmacy student, as well as an avid supporter of pharmacy education.

cc: Hasan, Honolulu Star, American Journal of Pharmaceutical Education

ACPE Reply:
I have forwarded your complaint to the Director for Professional Degree
Program Accreditation, Dr. Jeffrey Wadelin.

Sincerely,
Joanna M. Knych
Program Assistant, Professional Degree Program Accreditation
Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education (ACPE)
20 North Clark Street, Suite 2500
Chicago, Illinois 60602-5109
(P) 312.664.3575
(F) 312.664.4652
(E) [email protected]
Website: www.acpe-accredit.org

Just take a few minutes to let the ACPE know how you feel

First of all, Are you a hicp student?


It seem that the administrator on SDN is biased...banning those who are for HICP and keeping those who talk trashed about the school on this website. 👎

 

[bias05]

My school (MWU-Glendale) was 100% fully accredited when I applied and enrolled. They've been around since 1998 (pharm) and since 1995 (D.O. degree). Their first class graduated at least 2 years before I enrolled, and they have a sister campus in Illinois, which has been around for longer. I did apply to LECOM, which was not accredited at the time. I think they have gotten the OK by now...

I heard that pharmacists from your school might come and work for the school. 😍

--------
Let me just think of one word...and yet most of these types of 'judgemental-distortion-nature-like' remarks are from individual who do not care nor have a consideration for the overall welfare of others, but rather are a justification for their own 'selfish' choice or lost.

A)
B) whiner
C)
D)
E)

 

[BMBiology]

First of all, Are you a hicp student?

I am not a student at HICP. I hope you know that you do not need to be one to complain to the ACPE.

If you think what I have said is wrong, point it out and I would gladly discuss about it with you.

 

[Caverject]

Just to clear things up a little bit.....pre-candidate status does not mean the school is accredited...candidate status does not mean the school is accredited...only the designation "accredited" or "fully accredited" means accredited. Pre-candidate status and candidate status are designations that do, indeed, mean that the school's plans and actions are in line with ACPE standards. Precandidate status is only given to schools who have yet to admit a class. Because HICP admitted their first class without any status from ACPE, they had no choice but to apply for candidate status. Candidate status can be granted to a school that has students enrolled, but has not yet graduated a class. I'd encourage those of you who are interested to take a look at the ACPE website where you can find specific ACPE definitions of each of the stages of accreditation (pre-candidate, candidate, full).

Again, it's all one's perception. In a true classical sense, yes you and pharmacology are correct. However, the road to accreditation is the steps of pre-candidate and candidate status. Once on the road, it's almost a sure lock to gain "full accreditation".

 

[Caverject]

First of all, Are you a hicp student?


It seem that the administrator on SDN is biased...banning those who are for HICP and keeping those who talk trashed about the school on this website. 👎

And you are?

And who has been banned? People are banned on SDN mainly for being a troll and or duplicate names from the same IP address.

 

[Steady-State]

At HICP there were several hate emails that were sent to several HICP students from anonymous email accounts. A new email account was used each time. It's not a surprise to see similar behavior on SDN.

What does a typical week at HICP consist of? 😕

 

[jdpharmd?]

I heard that pharmacists from your school might come and work for the school. 😍

If you mean graduates of my school, I know of one who had considered it, but they were not impressed with what they saw, and are no longer considering working for such a "school". I doubt that HICP's dealings with faculty or prospective faculty are any more professional than their dealing with their 240 students, who they consistantly misinform. 👎

 

[museabuse]

48 hours and no new posts. I need by daily fix of HICP drama.... someone please post I am getting the shakes. 😱

 

[lord_helmet]

evil will always win, cause good is dumb...

 

[BMBiology]

any news regarding plan a?

 

[lava2]

any news regarding plan a?

Aloha Everyone!



This is just to inform you that there will be a State of College Address on Wednesday, July 6, 2005 @ 9:30. If you have any questions, please feel free to give me a call. Thank you and have a nice day!



Regards,

Tammara L. M. Kato

Senior Administrative Assistant to Interim Dean

Hawaii College of Pharmacy™

 

[quacker]

What ever happened to that meeting they said they were going to have with ACPE? Any news on that?

 

[hawaii90210]

What ever happened to that meeting they said they were going to have with ACPE? Any news on that?

Well,
According to Hasan, we will find out about our "plans" tomorrow. He will let us know the number of students that they will keep and more on the "plans". we asked him today but he refused to let us know. since we have only less than 1 week of class and finals are schedule for next week, when will he honestly inform us what really going on during his trip? 😱
and if the plan/meeting with ACPE went well, he would address us last week already rather than cancelling all of the students' appoinments WITHOUT INFORMING THEM ... how ethical and profesional is that!!!!! ----> just my 2 cents!

 

[pharmDman8]

Someone record the state the college address. I'm sure we're all interested in what Hasan has to say.

 

[BMBiology]

if anyone is planning for a class action lawsuit, now is the time to collect everyone's contact information and documents.

i am pretty sure, it wil be bad news or they would have informed the students by now. i am sorry.

 

[bias05]

if anyone is planning for a class action lawsuit, now is the time to collect everyone's contact information and documents.

i am pretty sure, it wil be bad news or they would have informed the students by now. i am sorry.

This thread is going to end pretty soon.

It is July 06, 2005 and 2:40 pm hawaii 😎

 

[ZhengYing]

if anyone is planning for a class action lawsuit, now is the time to collect everyone's contact information and documents.

i am pretty sure, it wil be bad news or they would have informed the students by now. i am sorry.

HOW??

 

[lava2]

Announcement made by Dave Monroe (since HICP is taking ACPE's advice and following the "hands off approach from corporation"?????): HASAN has been elected by the "board of trustees"??? as the official DEAN of HICP and by a majority vote???..........no longer an Interim....

Does this meet Standard No.8 for Qualifications for a Dean by the ACPE: Quals. of a dean should include a degree in pharmacy and/or a strong understanding of contemporary pharmacy and health care systems??? Hasan himself stated in a previous townhall/state of college address that he does not have any pharmacy experience, and he said he hopes many of the "students" in HICP who questioned him about his experience in the field did and should have that experience in pharmacy.....he claims to know more about other stuff though????.....I can't tell you what he meant by this, but I am assuming it has to do w/ special education???? I believe his job before coming to this program was at a high school working with special ed and coaching football as an assistant.

Anyways, the news on today's meeting:

First of all, the infamous PLAN A was REJECTED by ACPE, as stated by DEAN HASAN himself. This sounds similar to "WITHDRAW" and a pattern being established wouldn't you say?

New plan (briefly) = top 100 students (based on overall academic status in HICP) can stay and continue P2 next year, next group of 100 can continue but have to START OVER P1 year, and last group of about 31 students are ALTERNATE group (not sure about them, but it seems they still have status w/ school; they have to finish their pre-requisites or something to get back in the school since it seems now even more so that they were OBVIOUSLY ACCEPTED TO TAKE THERE $$$$ as a way to start other programs, like the dental program, etc..........I mean WHY ELSE WOULD THEY TAKE STUDENTS NOT QUALIFIED....RIGHT???) Oh yeah, everyone only has to pay for three years if they make the cut b/c it will be drastically more academically challenging next years to come.....additional years after the 3rd year will be at no cost......now this must make people feel a whole lot better right??? NOT 😡

It is hard to believe that they took in unqualified ppl and now are making them go thru this mess and letting them know that "it is a golden opportunity" and that basically, they can't get in anywhere else b/c it is a lot of hassle (sp?) to apply over again and they probably KNOW that many in the school (BUT NOT ALL) are not qualified or prepared as of yet, or if ever, to even begin a Doctor of Pharmacy program.........

Lastly, ALL students have until Friday by 4pm to decide if they want to stay with the school or not. Now is this a fair enough amount of time to make a decision???? 👎

 

[Caverject]

Announcement made by Dave Monroe (since HICP is taking ACPE's advice and following the "hands off approach from corporation"?????): HASAN has been elected by the "board of trustees"??? as the official DEAN of HICP and by a majority vote???..........no longer an Interim....Does this meet Standard No.8 for Qualifications for a Dean by the ACPE: Quals. of a dean should include a degree in pharmacy and/or a strong understanding of contemporary pharmacy and health care systems??? Hasan himself stated in a previous townhall/state of college address that he does not have any pharmacy experience, and he said he hopes many of the "students" in HICP who questioned him about his experience in the field did and should have that experience in pharmacy.....he claims to know more about other stuff though????.....I can't tell you what he meant by this, but I am assuming it has to do w/ special education???? I believe his job before coming to this program was at a high school working with special ed and coaching football as an assistant.

😱 😱

If he is the dean, plans B thru Z just will not work. Period.

Anyways, the news on today's meeting:

First of all, the infamous PLAN A was REJECTED by ACPE, as stated by DEAN HASAN himself. This sounds similar to "WITHDRAW" and a pattern being established wouldn't you say?

No surprise there.

New plan (briefly) = top 100 students (based on overall academic status in HICP) can stay and continue P2 next year, next group of 100 can continue but have to START OVER P1 year, and last group of about 31 students are ALTERNATE group

I wonder who the genius was that came up with that. Is there a disclaimer in your student code of conduct (that's assuming you have one) about matriculating to the next level? If not, this could potentially become a major thorn in HICP's side. Not only that, it really just seems unfair to go strictly by GPA only. For example, at my school, the top and low GPA's are seperated by 1.2 points. The mode is at a 3.4 in my class. How is one's 3.4 better than the other's 3.4?

Now what about students they have accepted for next years class? Are they not taking one in now?

Lava, if you're staying, I sincerely hope you made it in the top 100.

~C-ject

 

[museabuse]

next group of 100 can continue but have to START OVER P1 year

The crap hit the fan... Does the next group of 100 have to pay again to repeat the year that they already paid for?
Was there a riot afterward? If I was student 101 I would have feaked out! 😡

 

[quacker]

Wow! Not only did they make up a stupid decision but also pressuring the students to make hasty decisions without letting them take time to think. But then again, this is also a no brainer. They're stupid to stay. 👎

 

[Caverject]

Official Complaint to the ACPE about HICP:

Hello Joanna: I am writing to you not only as a concerned pharmacy student, but to express my disappointment as well.

I believe that the HICP has consciously and repeatedly violated many of the policies set forth by the ACPE. This is the 3rd time that I have complained to you about the content of the college's website. Almost a year ago, I contacted the ACPE when the college stated on its website that it has filed for pre-candidate status with the ACPE. This is absolutely false. Almost 2 months ago, I emailed you to inform the college to update its accreditation status and although the website has recently been updated with information about the acting dean, its accreditation status has not. It still states it is "….Working to revise the Application and anticipate resubmitting it for review at the June 2005 ACPE Board of Directors meeting". This conclusively shows that the college is still misleading prospective students. This is simply not acceptable in a profession that takes pride in trust and honesty. I am again asking you to pressure the college to do the right thing.

I also find it very disturbing that the Hasan and Monroe have threatened to expel any HICP students that contact the ACPE. I will not refer to these 2 individuals as "Dr" because they are no more than common greedy and heartless businessmen. They have repeatedly lied to HICP students and they are still continuing to misinform prospective students for financial gains. This shows not only their disregard for the ACPE and the profession, but it also shows that the ACPE has not been effective in protecting future pharmacy students from misguided information. Therefore, it has so far failed to protect the future of the profession.

It has been almost a year since the college first enrolled a record number of students but the college is still “revising” their application for candidate accreditation. The dean and the associated deans left months ago. It has not started construction on a permanent facility but yet, its website still states that construction will “begin early spring of 2004”. This college is not even comparable to vocational colleges like DeVry but yet, it is seeking approval to grant doctorate degrees in pharmacy.

I understand that the ACPE asked the college to "withdraw" its application but many prospective students do not understand the importance of such strong language. I believe that the ACPE need to issue a clear and direct warning about HICP. This is the only way for prospective students, as well as HICP students to clearly understand the college’s history of deceptions and dire situation. I sincerely hope that the APCE will take a stronger stance and use language that everyone will understand. This is my hope as a concerned pharmacy student, as well as an avid supporter of pharmacy education.

cc: Hasan, Honolulu Star, American Journal of Pharmaceutical Education

ACPE Reply:
I have forwarded your complaint to the Director for Professional Degree
Program Accreditation, Dr. Jeffrey Wadelin.

Sincerely,
Joanna M. Knych
Program Assistant, Professional Degree Program Accreditation
Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education (ACPE)
20 North Clark Street, Suite 2500
Chicago, Illinois 60602-5109
(P) 312.664.3575
(F) 312.664.4652
(E) [email protected]
Website: www.acpe-accredit.org

Just take a few minutes to let the ACPE know how you feel

Congrats BM

I don't know if your letter has anything to do with it, but HICP's webpage is shutdown completely except for the front page.

 

[JTD1972]

New plan (briefly) = top 100 students (based on overall academic status in HICP) can stay and continue P2 next year, next group of 100 can continue but have to START OVER P1 year, and last group of about 31 students are ALTERNATE group

How does that work when 80% is the passing rate? How would you decide who are the top students? Do you count only the first test? What if you remediated and got a perfect score? Does that score count? I never thought I'd hear that HICP has a failure rate of 57% (131 students out of 231).

 

[lava2]

How does that work when 80% is the passing rate? How would you decide who are the top students? Do you count only the first test? What if you remediated and got a perfect score? Does that score count? I never thought I'd hear that HICP has a failure rate of 57% (131 students out of 231). Must be one of the hardest schools in the country. 🙄

not 100% sure b/c it was NOT that clear, but it seems that it will NOT just be gpa alone........it will be by what your exact scores/points were for an exam and/or course AND remediations WILL COUNT......for example, if you have same gpa or points given on an exam, then whomever remediated more will be less at an advantage, this is especially beneficial for those who earned the minimum 80% on their first try b/c they won't have to worry about ppl who remediate and gain 80% standing on remediations of one or more that they eventaully passed.........AND I believe points given on the remediation will count for something too for those who have same number of remediations taken, but not too sure on how that works yet.......basically ALL points will be counted and factored in the decision along w/ number of remediations........it has NOT been done yet b/c there are still the cumulatives next week and then they have to work on the whole process for each of the 231 students.......again, more time to wonder what if?
The school went from promoting "Ohana" to making us all compete for spots at the last minute..... it all still may not amount to anything in the "longer" run, but what are we to think when they told us that this plan is what the ACPE had advised them to do??? Hasan did say that they (HICP) will be doing what ACPE tells them to do???? I think he spoke of a Dr. Vlasis from ACPE giving him advice????

 

[quacker]

If ACPE advised them do this, did they also say it's ok for Hasan to be the dean of the school too? I doubt it. They're probably pulling stuff from their asses like usual.

 

[BMBiology]

The proposal is illegal. The HICP does not have the legal rights to stop students from advancing to the next level when they have passed their classes, unless stated previously (e.g. certain gpa after 1st year)

Ask yourself what has HICP achieved in the past year? Nothing but setbacks. I am truly sorry guys but it is over.

 

[JohnUNLV]

How does that work when 80% is the passing rate? How would you decide who are the top students? Do you count only the first test? What if you remediated and got a perfect score? Does that score count? I never thought I'd hear that HICP has a failure rate of 57% (131 students out of 231).

It will be similar to the ridiculous process of choosing who gets to go on EPPE first. Based on GPA when everyone has a B for the most part and a small percentage gets an A? Anyone can see how *****ic this policy is. 200 people all get the same grade and you're going to differentiate between them based on the same 3.0 gpa? Also, since no ones complete record is posted or able to be viewed, there were instances in which many people with much worse grades were taken and people with higher scores not taken.

I really hope all my friends aren't in the top 100, that way they are spared from further abuse and torture. Guys, please, come home, lets all move on... I understand some people dont have any other school to go to, but you're not exactly going to "school" right now either.


On a side note:
At least they found a dean 🙄 🙄 🙄 😡

 

[DayDreamer]

The proposal is illegal. The HICP does not have the legal rights to stop students from advancing to the next level when they have passed their classes.

Ask yourself what has HICP achieved in the past year? Nothing but setbacks. I am truly sorry guys but it is over.

It's ILLEGAL??!?!?!? BUT they said that ACPE was the one who thought of this plan. *sigh* By the way, this plan was never mentioned to students in the beginning of the year we started. We went from "it's okay to have 240 students" to "you need to believe or leave" to "you need the GPA/attendance/everything in order to advance to year 2." Students need to make a decision by Friday and we don't even know if we are the top 100. No time to think about things..... 😡 😡 😡

 

[BMBiology]

As I recall, this is plan B. They came up with this plan even before talking to the ACPE about plan A/B.

 

[Steady-State]

What the cracker is going on? *SIGH*