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[DoTheRightThing]

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There is more then 1 spy, that's a fact. But now I can honestly say Patty is one of them.

 

[J Lucas]

Why at this stage are you all talking about spies? 😕 I mean really, take a step back at look at what you are concerning your self with after being anally ravished out of $30,000?

 

[CAGinseng]

There is more then 1 spy, that's a fact. But now I can honestly say Patty is one of them.

By the way, Hasan has MANY"Spies", atleast over 10 and under 20 (I think).
This man does promise them things or extra points on exams, etc. in exchange of Information.
I believe he even manipulates some students into telling them information on other students, by phrasing questions in a certain form that they don't realize what his true intent is.

Well this is what I've concluded, based on certain things I've heard at HICP.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Here is a e-mail I recieved after I replied to Dao Trinhs e-mail

"It amazes me how you seem to know so much. Don't you think that the newspaper only represent your bias side as well? They don't represent the rest of the students opinion. If you're trying to get back your tuition money, don't you think that the rest of the student want that too. Of chorse the school should comply with Hawaii state law but how do you know they're not. How is it that you know how a school should be run, how the curriculum should be, how they should apply for ACPE???? Do you have any degree for that matter? Why are you questioning people that have a higher degree than you. You want to keep this civil with no bad language, fine. If you are just trying to get your money back on a civil case, good for you but why is it that you want the school to be shut down. Don't you think that other students put a lot of money into this school also. It's not just you, if you guys are really fighting for a good cause, good for you but sometimes it just seem that it is rather a selfish act of ruining everything for all the people that work hard....And why is it that all this came about right after they announce the top 100 students etc...It just makes me wonder if you're doing this, not for the good of the school or the students but because you have nothing to lose, you're already at the bottom.

Bao
"
And I wrote a long reply to this

 

[HICP_STUDENTS]

I have some inside information that HICP faculty are calling desperate students as well as school spies to testify in court, that the school was very normal and progress was being made.......They might even offer you some rewards. WOW TWO TIMING LIERS. PLEASE IF YOU HAVE NOT YET COMPLAINED PLEASE DO SO AND INCLUDE THE INFORMATION I TOLD YOU IN THERE. OR IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINED CALL AND TELL THEM ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ONE SICK DESPARATE MOVE BY HICP. STAY TOGETHER, WE WILL WIN OUR MONEY BACK AND PEOPLE WHO RUINED OUR LIVES WILL GO TO JAIL.

 

[Caverject]

Here is a e-mail I recieved after I replied to Dao Trinhs e-mail

"It amazes me how you seem to know so much. Don't you think that the newspaper only represent your bias side as well? They don't represent the rest of the students opinion. If you're trying to get back your tuition money, don't you think that the rest of the student want that too. Of chorse the school should comply with Hawaii state law but how do you know they're not. How is it that you know how a school should be run, how the curriculum should be, how they should apply for ACPE???? Do you have any degree for that matter? Why are you questioning people that have a higher degree than you. You want to keep this civil with no bad language, fine. If you are just trying to get your money back on a civil case, good for you but why is it that you want the school to be shut down. Don't you think that other students put a lot of money into this school also. It's not just you, if you guys are really fighting for a good cause, good for you but sometimes it just seem that it is rather a selfish act of ruining everything for all the people that work hard....And why is it that all this came about right after they announce the top 100 students etc...It just makes me wonder if you're doing this, not for the good of the school or the students but because you have nothing to lose, you're already at the bottom.

Bao
"
And I wrote a long reply to this

Oh, higher degree in what? Maybe it's a good thing Hasan is in Special Education. It looks like Bao may need it.

 

[Caverject]

Here is the link to the list of TUITION COST for Pharm D. Programs (Thanks to Con Artist <[email protected]> for finding it

http://www.aacp.org/site/tertiary.asp?TRACKID=&VID=2&CID=693&DID=6319

Only USC, Boston-Worcester, Western, and USN charge 28K or over. But they are all accrediated.

Add South University to that list

 

[DayDreamer]

Here is a e-mail I recieved after I replied to Dao Trinhs e-mail

"It amazes me how you seem to know so much. Don't you think that the newspaper only represent your bias side as well? They don't represent the rest of the students opinion. If you're trying to get back your tuition money, don't you think that the rest of the student want that too. Of chorse the school should comply with Hawaii state law but how do you know they're not. How is it that you know how a school should be run, how the curriculum should be, how they should apply for ACPE???? Do you have any degree for that matter? Why are you questioning people that have a higher degree than you. You want to keep this civil with no bad language, fine. If you are just trying to get your money back on a civil case, good for you but why is it that you want the school to be shut down. Don't you think that other students put a lot of money into this school also. It's not just you, if you guys are really fighting for a good cause, good for you but sometimes it just seem that it is rather a selfish act of ruining everything for all the people that work hard....And why is it that all this came about right after they announce the top 100 students etc...It just makes me wonder if you're doing this, not for the good of the school or the students but because you have nothing to lose, you're already at the bottom.

Bao
"
And I wrote a long reply to this

The students who are staying are SELFISH or somehow they are forced to stay by some reason. They didn't care if somebody got a TRO or hurt by the process, just as long as it benefits them in the end. It doesn't matter who gets burned as long as they think they are that much closer to getting a Pharm D degree. That's just life.

Bao-This has been coming out for a LONG time already. Maybe you just don't care about what goes on except your own selfish reasons.

Keep in mind, the administrators who have "higher" degrees sure don't act professional, do they? I know you have seen it happen. There are many people with "higher" degrees and are "crooks." Sorry if that bursts your bubble but people are not always good in this world.

 

[CAGinseng]

Here is a e-mail I recieved after I replied to Dao Trinhs e-mail

"It amazes me how you seem to know so much. Don't you think that the newspaper only represent your bias side as well? They don't represent the rest of the students opinion. If you're trying to get back your tuition money, don't you think that the rest of the student want that too. Of chorse the school should comply with Hawaii state law but how do you know they're not. How is it that you know how a school should be run, how the curriculum should be, how they should apply for ACPE???? Do you have any degree for that matter? Why are you questioning people that have a higher degree than you. You want to keep this civil with no bad language, fine. If you are just trying to get your money back on a civil case, good for you but why is it that you want the school to be shut down. Don't you think that other students put a lot of money into this school also. It's not just you, if you guys are really fighting for a good cause, good for you but sometimes it just seem that it is rather a selfish act of ruining everything for all the people that work hard....And why is it that all this came about right after they announce the top 100 students etc...It just makes me wonder if you're doing this, not for the good of the school or the students but because you have nothing to lose, you're already at the bottom.

Bao
"
And I wrote a long reply to this

This guy as many others are a complete waist of time. It's not even worth your time to conversate with people like him on this subject. THEY won't ever see the truth. Does an alcoholic ever think they have an addiction problem? What about a drug addict or someone addicted to gambling? They don't think they have a problem at all, and always fail to realize the truth, the present. This is DENIAL. No one can help them! They can only help themselves when they're ready to face the harsh reality of TRUTH!
So, just let them live and be in their own little fantasy world.
Just as Patty said, "1 % chance to save the school". For them to comprehend there is less than a 1 % of a chance to save the school, then they know, but don't want to face REALITY.

 

[DayDreamer]

I have some inside information that HICP faculty are calling desperate students as well as school spies to testify in court, that the school was very normal and progress was being made.......They might even offer you some rewards. WOW TWO TIMING LIERS. PLEASE IF YOU HAVE NOT YET COMPLAINED PLEASE DO SO AND INCLUDE THE INFORMATION I TOLD YOU IN THERE. OR IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINED CALL AND TELL THEM ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ONE SICK DESPARATE MOVE BY HICP. STAY TOGETHER, WE WILL WIN OUR MONEY BACK AND PEOPLE WHO RUINED OUR LIVES WILL GO TO JAIL.

This doesn't surprise me.

 

[Caverject]

Sunday, July 31, 2005


Pharmacy college disclosure questioned
Lawsuits say the institution violated a state statute on unaccredited schools

By Stewart Yerton
[email protected]

Responding to allegations that the Hawaii College of Pharmacy misled students about the college's accreditation status, the school last week offered a straightforward rebuttal:

"We informed all students, both in writing and in person, that the Hawaii College of Pharmacy (HICP) was not accredited," the school's dean, H.A. Hasan, said in a written statement.

Hasan added, "Each and every student enrolling in the 2004-05 school year signed an agreement acknowledging that they were aware of the school's accreditation status."

But the question of whether students were told that the school was not accredited fails to address central allegations in lawsuits filed last week by a student of the school and the Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection.

The issue goes beyond whether students were informed, said Steve Levins, director of the Hawaii Office of Consumer Protection.

"It's the manner in which the disclosures were made and the way that students were misled by the actions of the school and its operators," Levins said.

Both suits, for example, allege that the school violated Hawaii Revised Statute 446E, which governs unaccredited colleges.

The law requires them to "disclose in all catalogs, promotional materials, and contracts for instruction the fact that the institution is not accredited." It also states, "No accredited institution shall disclose in any catalog, promotional material or written contract for instruction that it has applied for future accreditation."

But the college appears to have ignored the requirements in a handbook sent in early 2004 to some prospective students who had been accepted to the school's first class the following fall.

In fact, the handbook describes in detail the college's quest for accreditation with the Accreditation Council for Pharmacy Education.
"At this time," the handbook says in part, "the college has submitted a pre-application; the initial step towards full accreditation to ACPE. Subsequently, a site visit to the campus by ACPE will be made sometime in early spring of 2004."

Nowhere does the handbook explicitly state that the school is not accredited.

A spokesman for the college declined to comment on the language in the handbook.

"We just received the complaint two days ago and are examining the allegations," he said. "We continue to believe the school was honest in its dealings with the students and has not violated any state laws."

Accreditation is important because graduates of unaccredited schools cannot get pharmacy licenses in Hawaii and other states.

The lawsuits capped a bumpy year for the start-up Kapolei school, which students paid $28,000 to attend. The school opened last fall with 240 students and just a handful of faculty.

During the year, several faculty left and the ACPE asked the school to withdraw its application for accreditation.

Tensions mounted earlier this month after Hasan announced the school would hold back more than half of its first-year class, regardless of whether the students passed their courses, in order to appease the ACPE.

Speaking generally, and not about the pharmacy college, Levins said the prohibition against schools stating they were seeking accreditation was meant to prevent schools from creating unrealistic expectations for prospective students.

Simply applying for accreditation means little, Levins said, but could make people think otherwise.

"There was a recognition that the statement in and of itself could mislead students," he said.

Michael O'Connor, an attorney for pharmacy student Robert Killian, said the alleged violations of Hawaii's law on unaccredited schools were not the overriding issue. At some point, he said, most students knew the school was not accredited.

However, O'Connor said, some students went to the college because they "were told the school was doing everything in its power to become accredited."

Actually, O'Connor said, the school "never was moving in the right direction" toward accreditation.

"They hadn't even gotten out of the starting blocks," Levins said.
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*A graphic is missing here but can be seen at http://starbulletin.com/2005/07/31/business/index2.html

here is the graphic

 

[ucrsandstorm]

I feel the needed to convey this because not all of you know what happened. I would hate for students to make uninformed decisions like the one I made before coming to HICP. If dishonest students are going to lie in court then honest students should be there as well. Let the evidence speak for itself.

The atmosphere of spies was originally inserted by Hasan. He had stated that one of us was a spy from another school trying to shut down HICP. In response, he would convince students to keep secrets and that they were special. Hasan would say things like, "I trust you and what I'm going to say to you shouldn't be said to anyone else.", “You want to know what's really going on? I'll tell you but you have to keep that between you and me and the four walls.” Then he'll tell you what you want to hear. I know because that's what he told me.

He would ask you what the class thinks. Do you know who's causing it or involved? Wow, we have to fix this and gave or listened to ways in which you or he could help him save our school. By operating in this fashion, it began to marginalize students, pinning one against another. Hasan got Pej and I too be pinned against one another over Dr. Pang. Remember that? Wasn't I to blame for Pang leaving? I helped organize a meeting of students who had issues with Dr. Pang, correct? We'll little do you all know, Hasan had asked me directly to "round up students who had issues” and present them to Dean Bhagavan. After the meeting, the incidents began to be blown way out of proportion. At that time, because of my integrity to protect the students at the meeting and Dr. Pang's privacy, I could not and would not discuss the current situation with any students. If an administrator was going to ask me to help then the least I could do was help right? It was saving the school right?

Later, after speaking to students involved, I found out that Hasan convinced students to speak up in return for protection which he failed to protect. Hmm..... is it starting to make sense?

During the cheating and stolen exam incident, a student was caught with an email distributing a copy of the law exam to other students for remediation. A second student was caught with possession of the law exam computer file on his computer with his own name as the author. I believe other students had the exam but we never caught. However, the "email" student and her friends ran to Hasan for help and protection. Cheating should have been grounds for dismissal as it clearly states in the code of conduct. I was extremely familiar with the code because I helped drafted and co-authored that policy prior to the incident with Dr. Miyahara. It was voted on twice, once approved by Hasan in the executive meeting and second at a student government session.

This group of accused students went against Dr. Batz. The instructor had evidence of cheating. However, because Dr. Hasan was appointed dean by the corporation, he would refuse to hear or admit that any cheating had occurred. Hasan physically heard the incident but I don't think he mentally heard it. (This was not the first incident of a student or students caught cheating, there two more incidents that I know of). I advised Hasan that cheating cannot and should not be tolerated by HICP. In response, he told me to “tone” down or else I will not longer be allowed to participate in executive meetings.

Later, I was informed by someone other than Hasan that a hearing was set to be heard by a conduct/disciplinary committee (1 faculty, 1 staff, and 1 student member). Because there was going to be and a student representative, I needed to recommend an unbiased and fair student to hear the case other than a Student Government Officer including myself. However, when the TWO students (different from the Vu brothers) learned that a hearing was going to occur and I was seeking students to hear the case. They both decided to take fails for Pharmacy Law instead of being thrown out of school which means summer school. Currently, there is no summer school, no student failed a course, and I believe both students are possibly coming back for PY2 or repeating PY1.

 

[lisi]

I have some inside information that HICP faculty are calling desperate students as well as school spies to testify in court, that the school was very normal and progress was being made.......They might even offer you some rewards. WOW TWO TIMING LIERS. PLEASE IF YOU HAVE NOT YET COMPLAINED PLEASE DO SO AND INCLUDE THE INFORMATION I TOLD YOU IN THERE. OR IF YOU HAVE COMPLAINED CALL AND TELL THEM ABOUT THIS. THIS IS ONE SICK DESPARATE MOVE BY HICP. STAY TOGETHER, WE WILL WIN OUR MONEY BACK AND PEOPLE WHO RUINED OUR LIVES WILL GO TO JAIL.

Let's not get too desperate here....HICP can try to get students to "testify" on their behalf and more disillusioned students can add to the complaints that the DCCA has already received (which couldn't hurt), but the DCCA wouldn't have filed a suit unless it had evidence and there are certain counts listed in the suit that students testifying one way or another can't change.

For instance...take a look at Yerton's story in today's Star-Bulletin...it shows a copy of a HICP student handbook stating that HICP had submitted an application for pre-candidate status to ACPE. First of all, ACPE has denied that this is the case. Secondly, it states that "a site visit...by ACPE will be made sometime in early spring of 2004". ACPE does not grant site visits until the Board of Directors reviews an application, since an application was not made, then a site visit could not have been scheduled for spring 2004, making that statement a blatant lie/misrepresentation (or to use Hasan's vernacular, a "mistake"). Also, apparently HI state law disallows any reference to making applications for future accreditation in any institutional publication...again, a problem for HICP, regardless of how many students say how great everything was and is.

Also, the DCCA suit talks about HICP's misrepresentation of an affiliation with USN (again, just a "mistake" according to Hasan). That will be either easy to prove or disprove based on documentation.

What is more interesting to me, is that students would even be willing to put their necks on the line to either: a) testify on their behalf; or b) give them even more tuition money.

Let's lay this thing out one more time--quick and dirty version:

1. Trouble starts...blah, blah, blah....HICP submits application for candidate status to ACPE...yada, yada, yada....ACPE asks them to WITHDRAW their application. HICP tells students they'll be reapplying for June....doesn't happen.

2. Message HICP administration gets is that if they just get rid of some of those pesky students, accreditation will be a breeze...talk with ACPE about plan A (let's send half the class through a Pharmacy Technician program in CA) ACPE rolls their collective eyes in disbelief and say "what's Plan B?"

3. Plan B turns out to be a stroke of brilliance in which students who've already passed their first year courses get the "bonus" of getting to take them all over again...not voluntarily, but apparently by executive fiat, violating their policies regarding student progression (if there are any HICP students re-taking their first year classes, please, please, please, they can't do that to you!!!!)

4. Huge lawsuit by HI DCCA gets filed. My best guess would be that ACPE will defer taking any action regarding HICP while these legal issues are pending. Even before ACPE's new standards came out, a school had to prove that it had legal authority from the state in which it operates to grant degrees.

OK, so even IF somehow they wriggle out of this DCCA lawsuit and even IF they actually submit an application to ACPE in time for its next Bd of Directors meeting in Jan 2006 and even IF only 50 students show up for classes on Sept 6, there are still a myriad of problems that would need to be solved. To wit:

1. They've got to hire enough qualified faculty to execute the curriculum. Alot of people talk about a student:teacher ratio, but none actually exists in ACPE standards. There's a 10:1 rule of thumb, but you still have to show that the faculty that have been hired are qualified to support the curriculum. This is no small task...if you think there is a shortage of pharmacists, there's an even more acute shortage of pharmacy faculty....and if you don't think that the academic pharmacy community knows what's up at HICP, you've got another think coming (HICP applied to be an affiliate member of the American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy, AACP. AACP denied their application)...so no matter how many $ they throw at prospective faculty, I don't think many will be willing either to take the risk or put their professional reputation on the line by being associated with HICP.

2. I've yet to figure out how Hasan meets the revised ACPE standards for the Dean of a program. Unless there's something in his background that has not yet been revealed, this will be a problem.

3. It's not enough to say you've got 150 experiential training sites. You've got to be ready to show them affiliation agreements with those sites. And then, they can't all be nursing homes. They'll need to show that they have enough sites with the variety of types of sites necessary to support ACPE standards for the experiential curriculum. This is something that established colleges are struggling with, not to mention a beleaguered, unaccredited college, in a state that outside Honolulu doesn't have much beyond Long's Drug Stores and some acute care clinics.

4. They will have to show ACPE some progress toward pursuing WASC accreditation. WASC denies that HICP has made any contact with them at all.

The biggest "vote" or "say" that any student can have in this situation is with their pocketbooks...being a private school, their funding is primarily tuition driven...no tuition....no operations. They may have banked enough to keep them afloat for awhile, and they may have investors as a for profit corporation, but unless the investors see some prospect of receiving dividends, what's to stop them from pulling their dollars out either? The events that have recently transpired can't do much for investor confidence.

So, add this up with all of the deception, lies, and mistreatment, and I can't understand why a student would want to be out over $50,000 rather than cutting their losses at $28,000.

 

[J Lucas]

Good job there Lisi!
Personally, I think the students are more terrified of going home with their heads between there legs than wasting another 30k of mortgage/pension money.(its only money right?worth the gamble right? Imagine getting accepted into Pharmacy school and having your mom and grandmom go around bragging to probably anyone who will listen raving about you and then you have to go home and say it was all a scam. 😱 Thats gonna be tough to swallow for sometime to come.

 

[lisi]

Good job there Lisi!
Personally, I think the students are more terrified of going home with their heads between there legs than wasting another 30k of mortgage/pension money.(its only money right?worth the gamble right? Imagine getting accepted into Pharmacy school and having your mom and grandmom go around bragging to probably anyone who will listen raving about you and then you have to go home and say it was all a scam. 😱 Thats gonna be tough to swallow for sometime to come.

You're probably right, but if that's what they're thinking, then they're pretty short-sighted. What will they tell the folks at home when they've spent over $100K and they don't have a degree, can't transfer to another school, and can't get a license? They should rip this one off like a band-aid, otherwise the wound beneath will be all foul and full of pus 3 or 4 years down the line.

 

[aaron31981]

Here is the link to the list of TUITION COST for Pharm D. Programs (Thanks to Con Artist <[email protected]> for finding it

http://www.aacp.org/site/tertiary.asp?TRACKID=&VID=2&CID=693&DID=6319

Only USC, Boston-Worcester, Western, and USN charge 28K or over. But they are all accrediated.

MWU-CPG is now $28,229 for tuition. That page has data that is very old.

 

[Dr. No]

MWU-CPG is now $28,229 for tuition. That page has data that is very old.

Nobody gives a flying F---K about your tuition.
Let's talk about the spies.Hasan's spies need to be exposed.

 

[bananaface]

Nobody gives a flying F---K about your tuition.
Let's talk about the spies.Hasan's spies need to be exposed.

There is no need to be uncivil.

 

[CAGinseng]

Nobody gives a flying F---K about your tuition.
Let's talk about the spies.Hasan's spies need to be exposed.

👎 That was pretty low.

But yes, I believe Hasan has done the four wall things to many people at HICP. Has anyone heard,"My word is my bond."
Or, "I got you," and "I got you covered",etc.etc,
Hasan is a sick person. Now that I remember everything he's ever told me and what I've heard him say to others really makes me sick.

I am no spy, but still he has said those type of things to me when I've questioned him about accreditation, business practices, ethics, etc.
He tries his best to reassure you that all is great or will be wonderful and you have nothing to worry about, etc. But the sad thing about it is that he seems so genuine and honest, so caring (It was all an act to manipulate us).
Wow, this man is evil 😡 "I Love you, I love you all" "I put my life on the line for you" He is so twisted!

Okay, I want him to go to jail along with Monroe and Criswell.

Oh by the way Monroe/Criswel, l I know you are reading this, so you better stop hiding out and show yourself, or it's going to be worse on you at the end. We're all over the country so you can't go that far w/out us finding you. Show yourself to the authorities. Dee Dee and David, you both have kids and do you really want them to find out the truth about what you've done in Hawaii and that you're hiding? David and Dee Dee now I know why you told us (students) to stay off the SDN website. You were afraid we would find out the truth, the same goes for calling ACPE.

 

[legaia]

does this mean HICP is closing?

 

[lord999]

Hey Jeddevil

The reason why more students aren't complaining is that most of us just want to move on and leave this bad nightmare behind. They don't want to go through more trouble for themselves or their family by sueing or what not. Most of the students are Vietnamese. We vietnamese are very "passive" people, who don't like or create "conflict," we would rather just let it go.

Ugh, speak for yourself. Part of embracing a profession is standing up for yourself. I wouldn't really care about the rest of them. I applaud you all for having the courage to recognize a terrible situation, work through it, and hope for the best. Having Ostrich Syndrome is not going to help matters.

On transferring, good luck.

 

[johnniewest]

1. Demetra Antimisiaris (Associate Dean), PharmD UOP
2. Ken Wong (Assistant Professor), PharmD University of Washington
3. Diep Vu (Assistant Dean of Student Affairs), PharmD UOP
4. Edmund Unikel (Unknown Position—Never been on campus), PharmD USC
5. Susie Phan (Clinical Coordinator—Not on campus. Living in Huntington Beach, CA), PharmD from USN
6. Belloto
7. Tom
8. Tom’s wife
9. Kamabyashi
10. Grosnell


Feel free to add people and to fill in unknown info.

 

[johnniewest]

Susie Ngoc Phan lives in Huntington Beach, CA.
Diep Thi Ngoc Vu lives in Ewa Beach, HI.
Demetra Elizabeth Antimisiaris lives in Lexington, KY.

Other people have multiple pop-ups.

You can find out their exact home addresses here:

http://www2.dca.ca.gov/pls/wllpub/wllqryna$lcev2.startup?p_qte_code=RPH&p_qte_pgm_code=7200


That is California's pharmacy license verification website. I don't know why it gives out people's home addresses, but whatever. Apparently, I live near Susie, but I'm not going to pull a "JohnHICP" and drive by her house. It's just not my style.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Earlier it was mentioned that Daniel Orr, taught 'Pharmacy Law'. Is that true? If he did and he left, does anyone know why and when?

Yes, Dr. Orr TRIED to teach "Pharm Law." I don't he really left...he's suppose to be "part" of the dental school. Dr. Orr is supposely a dentist from Navada with Law background.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Hey Tony,

P, P, and A (3 studentsthat were charged), talked to Dr. Pang when they got the "suspension/expullsion" letter, give them a call and ask them what's up with Dr.Pang

 

[johnniewest]

It would not be unreasonable for a HICP student to ask the school who the 25 faculty members are and their credentials. Also, it would not be unreasonable at all if a student asks where those 150 clinical practice sites are. HICP isn't hotwire.com, I think you should be able to see what you're buying into before you pay.


If someone does get some answers, please post it here. I'm really interested in that faculty member list.

 

[DayDreamer]

*deleted by bananaface/TOS violation*

I can't believe that people are so OBLIVIOUS.

 

[johnniewest]

Dude, did Phi go to UC Davis? I think I know the bro.

*deleted by bananaface/TOS violation*

 

[DoTheRightThing]

It would not be unreasonable for a HICP student to ask the school who the 25 faculty members are and their credentials. Also, it would not be unreasonable at all if a student asks where those 150 clinical practice sites are. HICP isn't hotwire.com, I think you should be able to see what you're buying into before you pay.


If someone does get some answers, please post it here. I'm really interested in that faculty member list.

No it wouldn't be unreasonable, but they'll try to give an excuse not giving it to you. Like, we can't disclouse at this time, we are under legal preceding and we can't realease any information about the school's oportations. But atleast with hotwire.com you get a discount. Even if HICP did show you something...it's an Illusion and it's really Nothing.

 

[HICPisGoingDown]

*edited by bananaface/TOS violation*

This person is just crazy!!! I cant believe we attended school with these *****s.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

This person is just crazy!!! I cant believe we attended school with these *****s.

HAHAH...Yeah, it's hard to believe. They only believe in count, stick, pour...no need for reason and logic.

 

[bananaface]

Posting the personal information of another student without their permission is a very serious TOS violation. Anyone who does so may have their account priviledges suspended or revoked.

- Anna

 

[johnniewest]

HICP faculty list:


1. Demetra Antimisiaris (Associate Dean), PharmD UOP
2. Ken Wong (Assistant Professor), PharmD University of Washington
3. Diep Vu (Assistant Dean of Student Affairs), PharmD UOP
4. Edmund Unikel (Unknown Position—Never been on campus), PharmD USC
5. Susie Phan (Clinical Coordinator—Never been on campus. Living in Huntington Beach, CA), PharmD from USN
6. Belloto
7. Tom
8. Tom’s wife
9. Kamabyashi
10. Grosnell
11. Daniel Orr (Pharmacy Law Instructor), DDS


Feel free to add people and to fill in unknown info.

 

[lisi]

HICP faculty list:


1. Demetra Antimisiaris (Associate Dean), PharmD UOP
2. Ken Wong (Assistant Professor), PharmD University of Washington
3. Diep Vu (Assistant Dean of Student Affairs), PharmD UOP
4. Edmund Unikel (Unknown Position—Never been on campus), PharmD USC
5. Susie Phan (Clinical Coordinator—Never been on campus. Living in Huntington Beach, CA), PharmD from USN
6. Belloto
7. Tom
8. Tom’s wife
9. Kamabyashi
10. Grosnell
11. Daniel Orr (Pharmacy Law Instructor), DDS


Feel free to add people and to fill in unknown info.

Are all of these people actively engaged as faculty at HICP as their primary activity? I mean, I can see where 1-3 and 5 have HICP as a primary employer, but what about the rest of them? What I'm getting at is this--simply being engaged by HICP to teach a class does not make them faculty and ACPE will not count them as such. There is much more to the faculty role than teaching in class--there is faculty governance, faculty input on the curriculum and admissions, other forms of service to the institution, plus research. This means that these people need to be at HICP full time. They can't be brought out for a month or so to teach for a limited time and counted as faculty. Are there even admissions or curriculum committees at HICP that have met and been actively involved in the development of the program?

Also, it is my understanding that at least one of the individuals on this list presented a poster at the AACP meeting in July and did not identify him/herself as a faculty member at HICP, which would be customary if the individual did, indeed, have a faculty appointment.

 

[johnniewest]

Are all of these people actively engaged as faculty at HICP as their primary activity? I mean, I can see where 1-3 and 5 have HICP as a primary employer, but what about the rest of them? What I'm getting at is this--simply being engaged by HICP to teach a class does not make them faculty and ACPE will not count them as such. There is much more to the faculty role than teaching in class--there is faculty governance, faculty input on the curriculum and admissions, other forms of service to the institution, plus research. This means that these people need to be at HICP full time. They can't be brought out for a month or so to teach for a limited time and counted as faculty. Are there even admissions or curriculum committees at HICP that have met and been actively involved in the development of the program?

Also, it is my understanding that at least one of the individuals on this list presented a poster at the AACP meeting in July and did not identify him/herself as a faculty member at HICP, which would be customary if the individual did, indeed, have a faculty appointment.

To tell the truth, I don't know. No one outside of HICP knows what roles these people play. I just threw out their names for the sake of creating an organized list, hoping current HICP students can help me edit that list. I want to emphasize that I want that faculty list.

Diep Vu seems to be the only full-time faculty member on that list. Susie Phan is certainly not working there full-time, if at all. Also, Ken Wong, although listed on the California website multiple times, is definitely from and probably is still currently in California. So I don't think he is considered a full-time faculty member since he is probably a full-time pharmacist at a retail store.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

YEah, only HAsan,Vu, Dr Aare on campus the "majority of the time" The rest have other "primary jobs" HICP is "secondary or on the side"

 

[lisi]

YEah, only HAsan,Vu, Dr Aare on campus the "majority of the time" The rest have other "primary jobs" HICP is "secondary or on the side"

Then we're still a long way from the 26 faculty that Hasan asserts are on board.

 

[DoTheRightThing]

Hasan states in the newspaper he has 26 part time and full time faculty. He doesn't distinguish Teachers/Admin/Other (IT, Psychologist, TA, Secratary...)

 

[CAGinseng]

Hasan states in the newspaper he has 26 part time and full time faculty. He doesn't distinguish Teachers/Admin/Other (IT, Psychologist, TA, Secratary...)

Yeah,
It seems that his 26 PT and FT faculty are everyone and anyone who is currently employed at HICP, from the Receptionist, TA's, Auggie, Tech guy, etc.
Yeah, the Librarian is considered Faculty, don't know why??????

 

[JohnUNLV]

This person is just crazy!!! I cant believe we attended school with these *****s.

I wasn't able to view this post, can someone give me a quick summary of what it was and what was wrong with it? Thanks

 

[DoTheRightThing]

I wasn't able to view this post, can someone give me a quick summary of what it was and what was wrong with it? Thanks

Hey John,

I can email it to you. I think it the letter got removed because I accidently included that person's e-mail address. E-mail me at
DoTheRightThing05 @ gmail . com and I'll forward it to you. He just replied to my e-mail that I wrote to reguarding Dao Trinh.

He said why I'm using an anonymous ID, why are the students so bitter at HICP, that we should be greatful that HICP accepted us because no other school did. He said, stop talking smack and attacking Hasan. How naive are we?....we are all in the same boat...stop trying to sink the boat. Everyone paid 28K for tuition and not just myself, so stop being selfish. Then you goes cussing me out. Ask me what HICP has done to me? (For some reason it's not apparent to these people).

 

[DoTheRightThing]

I removed personal information to comply with TOS

[From HICP2004 Yahoo Group]

To save the school, someone I know has given me this
idea:
1. You can email to the school or Dr. Hasan stating
that you want to save the school and why and... (your
input)

2. You can call and talk to a newsreporter that you
want to save the school and why. This is one of the
reporter:
Stewart Yerton
Business Writer
The Honolulu Star-Bulletin
xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx
Honolulu, HI 96813

t. (808) 529-xxxx
f. (808) 529-xxxx

3. You can call Hawaii's DCCP and the lawyer that is
sueing the school and tell him to delay or stop it.
Or why you want to save the school

4. You can call ACPE and ask if they can save our
school as well and why.

5. You can gather some positive students and write up
a pettition to stop or delay the allegations and why.

6. You can contact anybody that can help to save our
school.

7. At least you are voicing your own opinions so that
someone else would not represent you against your
ideas.

PS: the one that I communicate with told me that Dr.
Belloto is willing to help our school.

Now go do the real right thing for yourself

Dao

 

[DoTheRightThing]

It's funny, someone is spreading rumors that Dr. Bellato is going to be the school's new dean.

 

[LVPharm]

It's funny, someone is spreading rumors that Dr. Bellato is going to be the school's new dean.

....no comment 😉

 

[aaron31981]

I removed personal information to comply with TOS

[From HICP2004 Yahoo Group]

To save the school, someone I know has given me this
idea:
1. You can email to the school or Dr. Hasan stating
that you want to save the school and why and... (your
input)

2. You can call and talk to a newsreporter that you
want to save the school and why. This is one of the
reporter:
Stewart Yerton
Business Writer
The Honolulu Star-Bulletin
xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxx
Honolulu, HI 96813

t. (808) 529-xxxx
f. (808) 529-xxxx

3. You can call Hawaii's DCCP and the lawyer that is
sueing the school and tell him to delay or stop it.
Or why you want to save the school

4. You can call ACPE and ask if they can save our
school as well and why.

5. You can gather some positive students and write up
a pettition to stop or delay the allegations and why.

6. You can contact anybody that can help to save our
school.

7. At least you are voicing your own opinions so that
someone else would not represent you against your
ideas.

PS: the one that I communicate with told me that Dr.
Belloto is willing to help our school.

Now go do the real right thing for yourself

Dao

That Dao guy has great grammar. I know I cannot spell, but his structure is just pathetic.

 

[HICP_STUDENTS]

That Dao guy has great grammar. I know I cannot spell, but his structure is just pathetic.

stoping allegations will NOT save the school. you idiot DAO, get a life. IF ANYTHING YOU SHOULD COMPLAIN.

 

[pham0100]

Wow... I heard about all the problems you guys have had over the last year. I wish everyone the best of luck on whatever decisions you will make over the course of the next few years.

If there's anything you need me to help out with, such as signing any petitions, let me know. I'll be happy to do it. I have a friend and two cousins who are also in your class. I know they worked so hard to learn whatever information was presented.

You guys really shouldn't be penalized for the incompetencies of certain so-called "faculty" members. From the news articles, it seems like some of the professors don't even have a scientific background, let alone pharmacy background.

Anyways, best of luck to everyone!!!

😉 If anyone wants to freeze to death and take their chances at University of Wyoming School of Pharmacy, let me know. I'll try to help.

 

[ucrsandstorm]

Wow... I heard about all the problems you guys have had over the last year. I wish everyone the best of luck on whatever decisions you will make over the course of the next few years.

If there's anything you need me to help out with, such as signing any petitions, let me know. I'll be happy to do it. I have a friend and two cousins who are also in your class. I know they worked so hard to learn whatever information was presented.

You guys really shouldn't be penalized for the incompetencies of certain so-called "faculty" members. From the news articles, it seems like some of the professors don't even have a scientific background, let alone pharmacy background.

Anyways, best of luck to everyone!!!

😉 If anyone wants to freeze to death and take their chances at University of Wyoming School of Pharmacy, let me know. I'll try to help.

Just curious? How did you hear about HICP and its recent problems? Well if you know students from the class I would suggest you call and talk to them. See how they are doing and how they are coping with the situation. I'm sure good friends and positive moral support is need.

Thanks for your possitive attitude and willingness to help. Also thanks to all the great people on SDN who have contributed to this thread, pro or con. I'm sure it helped bring out the wrong doings of the school.

 

[bananaface]

Hey John,

I can email it to you. I think it the letter got removed because I accidently included that person's e-mail address. E-mail me at
DoTheRightThing05 @ gmail . com and I'll forward it to you. He just replied to my e-mail that I wrote to reguarding Dao Trinh.

He said why I'm using an anonymous ID, why are the students so bitter at HICP, that we should be greatful that HICP accepted us because no other school did. He said, stop talking smack and attacking Hasan. How naive are we?....we are all in the same boat...stop trying to sink the boat. Everyone paid 28K for tuition and not just myself, so stop being selfish. Then you goes cussing me out. Ask me what HICP has done to me? (For some reason it's not apparent to these people).

Yeah, I basically removed it because it included the other student's full name and e-mail address, which is private information. It's also a TOS violation to post foul language and callouts. It doesn't matter whether you authored it or not. That's why I took the whole letter down instead of just editing out the name and e-mail address.

 

[ucrsandstorm]

It's funny, someone is spreading rumors that Dr. Bellato is going to be the school's new dean.

I think this is the 4th time I've heard that rumor.

Belloto was asked in class by Joe (one of Dao's friends) and Belloto said "NO". He had something better to do with his time. I don't know why students keep pursuing this. Also, I believe Hasan was trying to court Belloto prior to students asking and tried to offer the him the dean position. The other rumor is that Nathan Wheeler was fired because of that courtship for Belloto to be dean by Hasan. If I remember right, Hasan was the one who served Nathan his termination letter. After Belloto, Hasan said he offered the Dean position in an email to Bruce Canaday, the president-elect of APhA. I was offended when he announced that to students because he was just misleading student again! Hasan said, "I emailed Canaday and offered him the position, wouldn't it be nice to have him as dean. We will have to wait and see". Does anyone remember that announcement in the spring?