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Whoever said the thread feels very town-driven right now, I think I agree right now. I wanted to try and leave an informed vote before I go to bed but have more village leans than wolf.

I'm feeling reasonable about PSV, JJJ, Samac, Moonster, and Santy. Probably in about that order on strength of feels. Everyone else on thread today is sitting more null until more content is available
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SARdoghandler said:
Whoever said the thread feels very town-driven right now, I think I agree right now. I wanted to try and leave an informed vote before I go to bed but have more village leans than wolf.

I'm feeling reasonable about PSV, JJJ, Samac, Moonster, and Santy. Probably in about that order on strength of feels. Everyone else on thread today is sitting more null until more content is available
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My God I need to learn right now how to proofread right now my posts right now before I post them

I apologize profusely for anyone trying to read my unedited drivel of terrible grammar
 
JaggedJimmyJay said:
I believe Santy's suspicion of me is real. He correctly noted that I am known more for being a collaborative and unifying force than for being an angery attack dog. I don't fault him for viewing this entry of mine with doubt. I figure he hasn't seen me in this body yet. I haven't done it for a while, probably not since my last Champs run.

I also like his willingness to call SAR and moonster town.

That leads me to a town view of Santygrass.

I believe PSV's reference to Stardew 2 was a real one, and I suspect she's more willing to make that connection in memory if she is town. She was town in that game (and her combat with me was a particularly memorable Mafia event) -- the availability heuristic takes over in that way.

In combination with what I'd said previously, this leads me to a town view of potentialsheltervet.

I believe SAR is projecting her usual extremely high degree of town earnestness that she has had every time I've previously seen her as town. I acknowledge some danger in this kind of meta read. Still, as long as the SDN crew views her as town for basically the same reason, I am fine taking confidence in that.

This leads me to a town view of SARdoghandler.

I agree with Santy's interpretation of moonster's posts (particularly moonster's interactions with me). She is within her archetype, she is thoughtful, and she asked questions that bear some meaningful chance of moving the game (i.e., helping people to judge both her and me).

This leads me to a town view of moonstermash, albeit a softer one.

I need to reassess AM, because my town read of her is much less well-developed than the rest of these. I liked her barking at PSV for the post count joke, and she seems generally comfortable and "herself". I could use a better reason than that if the read is to stand. The same should probably apply to Zenge, who I "town read" on pure vibe.

I'll take this as a decent start less than two hours into the game. I'm going to slow down posting for a bit to let the thread breathe and conserve posts.
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I will say that it feels still a bit of a charitable read onto PSV here, but after reading SAR as well feeling well about PSV Im going to sheep it as town so your list of 4 seems good rn . AM and Zenge I have them as null
 
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SARdoghandler said:
Whoever said the thread feels very town-driven right now, I think I agree right now. I wanted to try and leave an informed vote before I go to bed but have more village leans than wolf.

I'm feeling reasonable about PSV, JJJ, Samac, Moonster, and Santy. Probably in about that order on strength of feels. Everyone else on thread today is sitting more null until more content is available
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Why samac?

Like, for me Samac has been fine~ . But I have expectations of town!samac being able to just blind me with their townyness so jury is still out
 
Santygrass said:
Why samac?

Like, for me Samac has been fine~ . But I have expectations of town!samac being able to just blind me with their townyness so jury is still out
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After I thought about it for a while, I decided that her post about not reading her role PM was feeling townie. It seems like an unnecessary post for a wolf to make with how it could easily be read as contrived. I also had given her a slight town read based on her first few posts which became nonAI after her reveal that they were made without knowledge. It probably would have been easier for Wolf!Samac to lean on that village point and build from there rather than blow it up by revealing it was all nonAI prior to that point
 
SARdoghandler said:
After I thought about it for a while, I decided that her post about not reading her role PM was feeling townie. It seems like an unnecessary post for a wolf to make with how it could easily be read as contrived. I also had given her a slight town read based on her first few posts which became nonAI after her reveal that they were made without knowledge. It probably would have been easier for Wolf!Samac to lean on that village point and build from there rather than blow it up by revealing it was all nonAI prior to that point
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Also tone since that reveal has felt good to me. Enough to get a lean
 
SARdoghandler said:
After I thought about it for a while, I decided that her post about not reading her role PM was feeling townie. It seems like an unnecessary post for a wolf to make with how it could easily be read as contrived. I also had given her a slight town read based on her first few posts which became nonAI after her reveal that they were made without knowledge. It probably would have been easier for Wolf!Samac to lean on that village point and build from there rather than blow it up by revealing it was all nonAI prior to that point
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I don't want to needlessly be contrary but this is a factoid that's been known about her for months (and thus can be played around). I'd consider it more AI if this was new information.
 
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moonstermash said:
Do you auto scum-read him, then? Or...
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no, not me. but i have noticed it's a problem here in general. and i have a pretty good read rate on him from very few posts in the past. not zero, obviously. the joke is less funny if i actually explain all the layers though
 
@genny

Multiple-choice exam question #1.

Suppose a Mafia player viewed your town read on Clem as being a reason to read you as town in turn. If JaggedJimmyJay, erm, a Mafia player, were to consider such a read, which of the following is the best explanation?

A. The Mafia player has identified a true phenomenon in genny's post. Indeed, to town read Clem before Clem has posted would be a uniquely gennyite practice. She, more than nearly any other player, would be inclined to make a read based upon someone not having made a post yet, and especially when that player is the similarly enigmatic Clem. She has reason to believe, even if just on gut, that Clem would have posted already if he was a wolf.

B. The Mafia player is overzealously trying to force town reads into the game to satisfy their goal to reach 7-8 town reads, because it would be game-winning. This is ill-advised even if it is genuine.

C. The Mafia player is misunderstanding genny's read on Clem. It is not at all a real representation of a thought process, but instead it is purely a joke.

D. None of the above

E. All of the above except [D]
 
Santygrass said:
Why samac?

Like, for me Samac has been fine~ . But I have expectations of town!samac being able to just blind me with their townyness so jury is still out
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Don’t we usually fight a little and then figure each other out before we can get there?
I’m not sure I remember d1ing you with my towniness often unless I’m just extra brazen
 
Animal Midwife said:
I don't want to needlessly be contrary but this is a factoid that's been known about her for months (and thus can be played around). I'd consider it more AI if this was new information.
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Is this public knowledge?
I know you know if from hydra and me wanting to do it
But i dunno if I’ve talked about it a lot here.
It’s been too long
 
genny said:
oh no how long is this exam.

F. Definitely B, and something in between A and C. Which i guess is B.
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That was the only question, and there is no answer key. Thanks for answering.

I might just town read genny anyway. I had an inkling in my brain to do so, and it's not like I get a ton of opportunities to town read genny on Day 1.

I can't let that slip through my fingers!
 
samac said:
Is this public knowledge?
I know you know if from hydra and me wanting to do it
But i dunno if I’ve talked about it a lot here.
It’s been too long
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Yes. It was at least said to me, Santy, mkg, and Clem. 3/4 which are in this game.
 
samac said:
Don’t we usually fight a little and then figure each other out before we can get there?
I’m not sure I remember d1ing you with my towniness often unless I’m just extra brazen
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Idk about D1, I do remember a couple times I doubted but ended up getting there like every time sooner than later
 
genny said:
so far he's a shining beacon of village unification. enough that i'm not interested in voting there, and may opt to sheep depending on how the rest of the day goes.
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I’m surprised because I’m slightly uncomfortable.
I don’t know If it’s he’s playing harder because it’s champs practice or what but it just feels slightly… artificial?
 
samac said:
I’m surprised because I’m slightly uncomfortable.
I don’t know If it’s he’s playing harder because it’s champs practice or what but it just feels slightly… artificial?
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i'm sorry but this jj feels nothing like the jj that duped lawpy. that's my yardstick.
 
Santygrass said:
SAR , moon , PSV , Mayo
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Wtf I was trying to count my trs and it just acvidentally hit the reply button. Truly a skill issue moment. I guess Mayo should be more of a townlean but idk my gut wants it to be right. Samac/Jay could also be near townleans but doesnt feel right atm
 
samac said:
You pull mayo off that list right now
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My nebulous read is that mayo isnt approaching this game like a wolf would for lack of better words.

I like them kinda just memeing a bit , but having some questions on the sidelines (the post noting that they dont remember me being a fan of them) so is like, sort of reading in their own vibe , and again not trying to get townread or caring much about others. I feel like they are in their groove and I like it.

Though they have like... 5 posts? So this ks really a stretch, hence the lart of it being more of a feel and me wanting to be right rather than a consistent read
 
My read isnt focused in what he wrote that much fwiw, moreso an expectation on what mayo would post if they were wolf from a general wolf behaviour analysis since I dont have that much meta and is soon is why I have the read with a grain of salt but carrying with me until proven wrong. Iwant to BELIEVE
 
Town to varying degrees -- SAR, PSV, Santy, moonster

I don't think I can keep a town read on AM, at least not for now. Her posts are all broadly fine, but she hasn't provided many unique perspectives. Her only concrete read is a slight town point for moonster. That's okay in early Day 1, but we'll rest at null.

I have less reason yet to town read Zenge, so I will just call him null too. Both of them are sort of in a holding pattern; they'll need to engage more directly soon. I'll let them do that.

Mayonnaise is a condiment.

madrigal's entry did not make me feel anything either way.

genny's read on me is logical and sensible. I am a bit surprised she shared it though. She was forthcoming, and I wouldn't expect genny to be forthcoming (at least not yet). To be determined.

samac is all careful and wary and stuff, which is fine. I guess. There are worse things she could be. I will also acknowledge that my own aggression may have stunted her introduction into the game; that is sometimes the down side of angery attack dog. samac, you're one of my favorite players. Please, do your thing. Ignore me if it helps you to do your thing. In the past I have found her pretty quickly -- we're not there yet. We'll see what happens.

This leaves Clem, Dina, KJQ, and vampyrica still without posts. No rush, friends, we have time. I look forward to seeing y'all.

Just wanted to say a bit about everyone, even if I have little to say.
 
Santygrass said:
My read isnt focused in what he wrote that much fwiw, moreso an expectation on what mayo would post if they were wolf from a general wolf behaviour analysis since I dont have that much meta and is soon is why I have the read with a grain of salt but carrying with me until proven wrong. Iwant to BELIEVE
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Would you like a mayo wolf game to peek at?
 
Santygrass said:
SAR , moon , PSV , Mayo
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What is a list of names of players in this game?

daily double GIF by Jeopardy!
 
Santygrass said:
Was thinking on doing that myself to check but at the end I was too lazy. Im going go sleep soon but if you provide links I could check them later if needed yeah
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holdthemayo said:
Also

Yeet zenge
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holdthemayo said:
Same reason I voted Dubz D1 last year.

I don't believe in plot armor.
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holdthemayo said:
I like that you kept the hat. I'm gonna miss the captain.
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holdthemayo said:
I don't want to relitigate it again. It's as valid of a reason to vote somewhere in the opening hours as old grudges, lulz, or any of the many other reasons people vote where they do in H1 of a game.

The fact that it gets an immediate strong response kind of proves my plot armor point valid.

Or provides something more valuable once people start to flip.
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holdthemayo said:
I'm lazy and tired, but willing to consider some quotes if you or shorty have them
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These are the /entrance/ posts from mayo in that game.

For starters they are more quick to explain their vote reasoning, and like in the last post is also a more direct question to get into stuff. Its like a more level 0 approach of stuu where it feels more easy to see what mayo is doing. Whereas here the fluff/memes and the question to me/and psv about jay feels like mayo is sorting somewhat us, but in not a showy way, which is mostly what I refer to "How a wolf would spproach".

A wolf if they post they want to make it seem like they are doing something to the rest. Mayo was here, did some questions that showed that to me but arent typically a good indicator of that in general and easy to miss in the grand schem of things so is not what I would expect a wolf feels good about posting and says 'yeah this seems/appears towny'
 
Like, I obviously wasnt playing that game. But mayo opener there is explain their initial vote, to then question for why 2 people were sussing someone. So like, an attempt to talk about what was being discussed.

Mayo here was more on their own. Replied to something adressed to them and about the details rationale of psv paranoia on jay. And both questions feels more of a kind of wanting to figure out rather than having much of a purpose of going a certain way, which is why I like them overall ig
 
Santygrass said:
Like, I obviously wasnt playing that game. But mayo opener there is explain their initial vote, to then question for why 2 people were sussing someone. So like, an attempt to talk about what was being discussed.

Mayo here was more on their own. Replied to something adressed to them and about the details rationale of psv paranoia on jay. And both questions feels more of a kind of wanting to figure out rather than having much of a purpose of going a certain way, which is why I like them overall ig
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idk I guess I need more independent thought than that (which he is extremely good at doing when he wants to).
 
Yeah even though I used a lot of words there realistically it isnt that strong which is why I said should be more of a townlean and see how things develop .
 
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