pWWants are people too [Town wins]

[Santygrass]

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Genny is my top town read *nod nod*

Istg genny is so towny its blinding

 

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Day 1 PLANT VOTE TALLY

[2] Clem J - samac, Aprilthearab
[1] moonstermash - Animal Midwife
[1] samac - Clem J
[0] Santygrass
[1] Animal Midwife (AM) - moonstermash
[1] potentialsheltervet (PSV) - Santygrass

6/9

Vote closes TOMORROW at 8pm EST/5pm PST, 7/6/24 (~30 hours).

Note that this game has no hammer vote. Everything is pure deadline/plurality.

 

[Santygrass]

AM almost feels like vanilla milk

How much confident you are on AM town? Rn im leaning town vaguely but if you're confident I might as well sheep some confidence there

 

[Animal Midwife]

Genny is my top town read *nod nod*

Bro I genuinely forgot she was on the roster.

 

[samac]

How much confident you are on AM town? Rn im leaning town vaguely but if you're confident I might as well sheep some confidence there

I preface this with I haven’t played with AM in a long time but her poking and prodding feels more genuine than I see when she tries to do it as a wolf. She feels pretty towny and if I was making a real list she’d be my current top.

 

[samac]

Bro I genuinely forgot she was on the roster.

I was looking to see if everyone had posted and went oh ****

 

[moonstermash]

These are all the "yeat" related posts I see (though the fourth one is maybe more tangential/OMGUS and also I started it, but still). I don't really understand all of these together as either a joke or serious tbh.

While doing my morning routine, I realized the first and fourth post go together, as setup and punchline for that "How Do You Spell Chauffeur" meme the zoomers et. al. enjoy. I suppose the two in the middle could be continuing to bait for the punchline, which overall makes this whole thing likely NAI and me feel old. (I miss when Zoomers were all from 02134 tbh.)

A bit skeptical of it as an alignment-indicative reaction test, especially since I'm town, but whatever.

Still doesn't change my issues with AM's questioning of PSV. However, I can also see why other people have PSV suspicions, and I doubt AM and PSV could both be wolves (distancing this early with 2 wolves feels unnecessary at best and dangerous at worst).

I'm also tempted to just sheep Santy because I feel he's either very towny or very pocketing me tbh. (You'll forgive me if I'm a little more wary of pockets since Champs, where 2 wolves pocketed me and they won in F3.) I will keep thinking and reading.

 

[samac]

OH
IT WAS A MEME
I STILL DIDNT GET THE YEAT
I JUST THOUGHT AM HAD A STROKE

 

[moonstermash]

Your first vote for her wasn’t for lulz? I thought it was RNG.
Why’d you let me goad you towards me?

IDK. It was a weird ask, but also kinda funny how you reacted to Clem's vote. And I thought maybe I could sheep you on AM's alignment later or something?

 

[moonstermash]

OH
IT WAS A MEME
I STILL DIDNT GET THE YEAT
I JUST THOUGHT AM HAD A STROKE

I thought I was having a stroke reading y'alls posts 😆

 

[samac]

I thought I was having a stroke reading y'alls posts 😆

I WAS SO
****ING
CONFUSED

 

[samac]

I’d like our new friends opinion who has very little meta @Thunal33

 

[moonstermash]

genny not posting could be NAI, but could also lean towny. I think even busy wolves would want to establish some presence early, but I acknowledge there are levels of game commitment/busyness that could override it.

 

[samac]

genny not posting could be NAI, but could also lean towny. I think even busy wolves would want to establish some presence early, but I acknowledge there are levels of game commitment/busyness that could override it.

It’s NAI.

 

[Animal Midwife]

While doing my morning routine, I realized the first and fourth post go together, as setup and punchline for that "How Do You Spell Chauffeur" meme the zoomers et. al. enjoy. I suppose the two in the middle could be continuing to bait for the punchline, which overall makes this whole thing likely NAI and me feel old. (I miss when Zoomers were all from 02134 tbh.)

Glad someone recognized it but still not NAI.

A bit skeptical of it as an alignment-indicative reaction test, especially since I'm town, but whatever.

Shouldn't you be completely skeptical then?

Still doesn't change my issues with AM's questioning of PSV. However, I can also see why other people have PSV suspicions, and I doubt AM and PSV could both be wolves (distancing this early with 2 wolves feels unnecessary at best and dangerous at worst).

What are your issues with it outside of that singular post that was part of multiple?

 

[Animal Midwife]

genny not posting could be NAI, but could also lean towny. I think even busy wolves would want to establish some presence early, but I acknowledge there are levels of game commitment/busyness that could override it.

No. I watched genny be forced subbed out as a wolf. Could not be any more NAI.

 

[samac]

No. I watched genny be forced subbed out as a wolf. Could not be any more NAI.

Most likely scenario: she forgot the game started. No matter what alignment.

 

[Santygrass]

AM whats your read on me and April?

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM whats your read on me and April?

Don't have a read on April but you're slightly village.

 

[moonstermash]

1. Shouldn't you be completely skeptical then?

2. What are your issues with it outside of that singular post that was part of multiple?

1. What does this question accomplish? I'm as skeptical as I am. Feels like you're overly jumpy on everything I say.

2. I stated that I felt like some posts were nitpicky/easy to make as wolf. If other people would like me to multiquote, I can.

Perhaps we should disengage from our mutual tunnels and focus elsewhere? Or at least talk to other people about them? Not sure what it serves trying to gotcha me here, especially since you've been seriously voting me this whole time. Like, we're not gonna get each other to claim wolf, and IDK how helpful this is for everyone else.

 

[Animal Midwife]

1. What does this question accomplish? I'm as skeptical as I am. Feels like you're overly jumpy on everything I say.

Either my reaction test worked or it didn't. There isn't room for in-between.

2. I stated that I felt like some posts were nitpicky/easy to make as wolf. If other people would like me to multiquote, I can.

I'm other people.

Perhaps we should disengage from our mutual tunnels and focus elsewhere? Or at least talk to other people about them? Not sure what it serves trying to gotcha me here, especially since you've been seriously voting me this whole time. Like, we're not gonna get each other to claim wolf, and IDK how helpful this is for everyone else.

Been doing that this whole cycle. Even you mentioned me talking to PSV.

 

[Santygrass]

Got it.

I am the only one village reading April? wowee

 

[samac]

Got it.

I am the only one village reading April? wowee

I think there’s a wolf between PSV/moon/April and I think she’s the least likely tbh. I have nothing to base that on other than vibes around light moon sus

 

[Santygrass]

Either my reaction test worked or it didn't. There isn't room for in-between.

A reaction testing not working doesnt mean it wasnt a test to say though.

Its not a dichotomy. The doubt moon expresses is wether you intended that to be a reaction test or is something you're pulling up now or something along the lines .

At least is How im reading it.


@Animal Midwife can you make bullet points in why you think moon is scum? Rn I either feel you are getting stuck on something is not really AI, or Im missing something so we should clarify this hmmyes.

I think Me-April-You could be a good core tl work with atm

 

[Santygrass]

I think there’s a wolf between PSV/moon/April and I think she’s the least likely tbh. I have nothing to base that on other than vibes around light moon sus

You played the previous game when moon was wolf right?

You think the tone is the same?

I kinda dont

 

[moonstermash]

A reaction testing not working doesnt mean it wasnt a test to say though.

Its not a dichotomy. The doubt moon expresses is wether you intended that to be a reaction test or is something you're pulling up now or something along the lines .

At least is How im reading it.

Yeah, you got it 👍

@Animal Midwife can you make bullet points in why you think moon is scum? Rn I either feel you are getting stuck on something is not really AI, or Im missing something so we should clarify this hmmyes.

I think Me-April-You could be a good core tl work with atm

Why April and why not samac?

 

[Santygrass]

You played the previous game when moon was wolf right?

You think the tone is the same?

I kinda dont

And as the player who was first sus of moon that game I think that should hold some water tbhtbh.

 

[Santygrass]

Yeah, you got it 👍



Why April and why not samac?

Much more confident that april is town than samac.

At least, I think we are really aligned in how we're seeing thing and the direction they have on their posts strike me as villagey

 

[samac]

A reaction testing not working doesnt mean it wasnt a test to say though.

Its not a dichotomy. The doubt moon expresses is wether you intended that to be a reaction test or is something you're pulling up now or something along the lines .

At least is How im reading it.


@Animal Midwife can you make bullet points in why you think moon is scum? Rn I either feel you are getting stuck on something is not really AI, or Im missing something so we should clarify this hmmyes.

I think Me-April-You could be a good core tl work with atm

Are you independently reading AM as village?

 

[samac]

You played the previous game when moon was wolf right?

You think the tone is the same?

I kinda dont

I don’t know that it’s different enough that I can shout its obvi village

 

[samac]

And as the player who was first sus of moon that game I think that should hold some water tbhtbh.

Fair.
So in my world of one of the 3 being wolf you’d throw down on PSV?

 

[Santygrass]

Are you independently reading AM as village?

I was leaning town on AM.

I tend to find the stubborness / inquisitiveness being more likely of Villa!AM .

 

[Animal Midwife]

A reaction testing not working doesnt mean it wasnt a test to say though.

I'm confused. Could you elaborate more?

Its not a dichotomy. The doubt moon expresses is wether you intended that to be a reaction test or is something you're pulling up now or something along the lines .

Okay. I fail to see how it could be anything but a reaction test but maybe others could chime in.

@Animal Midwife can you make bullet points in why you think moon is scum? Rn I either feel you are getting stuck on something is not really AI, or Im missing something so we should clarify this hmmyes.

• First post seemed a bit awkward like trying to make an entrance without seeming too detached from the thread and is the only "previous basis" I can find for suspecting me (+/- samac?).
• Coming back to vote me without the receipts.
• Discrediting my entire questioning of PSV because of my one post asking clarification of what a response meant.
• Trying to say I should defocus my tunnel on her because "it's going nowhere." I don't think this is even remotely a tunnel, especially as I've been actively discussing other people.

I think Me-April-You could be a good core tl work with atm

I'm not ready to core April but I assume this is your own list.

 

[Santygrass]

Fair.
So in my world of one of the 3 being wolf you’d throw down on PSV?

Yeah, its where Im voting rn so :wowee:

 

[samac]

Yeah, its where Im voting rn so :wowee:

I can’t vote PSV d1. Can’t do it.

 

[Santygrass]

I'm confused. Could you elaborate more?

Okay. I fail to see how it could be anything but a reaction test but maybe others could chime in.

• First post seemed a bit awkward like trying to make an entrance without seeming too detached from the thread and is the only "previous basis" I can find for suspecting me (+/- samac?).
• Coming back to vote me without the receipts.
• Discrediting my entire questioning of PSV because of my one post asking clarification of what a response meant.
• Trying to say I should defocus my tunnel on her because "it's going nowhere." I don't think this is even remotely a tunnel, especially as I've been actively discussing other people.

I'm not ready to core April but I assume this is your own list.

I'll try to reply to this post when Im home . But this is a good post, thanks AM .

You're right about you not being on a tunnel. My feeling is that your read on moon was based on something narrow, but calling that a tunnel is a skill issue on my part

 

[samac]

This is my problem I get emotionally attached to people and just want to play because I like them.

I’ll never d1 vote AM
I have d1 voted April and it’s usually bad so I won’t vote there.
PSV is my wolf child and I’d be hard pressed to d1 her.
So those 3 are really off the table for me.
I’d never d1 the new guy to the site.
so in a real world d1 I’m working in a realm of Clem/genny/santy/moon
And one hasn’t even posted

 

[samac]

I don’t wanna yeet anybody
I want a mayor vote pls

 

[Thunal33]

It wasn't low posting that made me sus him, it was what he did say that made me pause. Hard to pinpoint exactly why though. I think the overall vibe I got matched your description, minus the meta-specific analysis -

I'm not using my own analysis of meta because I am personally too rusty and don't know some players well enough or at all, but I'm not going to dismiss other people's analysis of meta

Aka. I don't really have a foot to stand on to say "Clem sounds like his wolf meta." But if Santy says "Clem sounds like his wolf meta" then I'm interested in hearing his interpretation

I townread April. The searching for what made her sus Clem is a towny post that shows thought wolves might not think to fake and I thought the unconfidence about meta was genuine.

 

[Thunal33]

I’m also good for n1 deth. Someone has to do it might as well be me!

I want to call Samac town for a bit less concrete reasons than April. I think this is a towny post and Samac is being pro town anyway by chatting and prodding/making sure everyone’s involved in the game.

 

[Thunal33]

I don’t think Clem’s entrance is particularly wolfy for him. The reactions and discussion that came from that made me think there’s good info there but rn I’m too tired to read it closely and process it.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I don’t think Clem’s entrance is particularly wolfy for him. The reactions and discussion that came from that made me think there’s good info there but rn I’m too tired to read it closely and process it.

Do you mind providing insight on what wolf!Clem tends to look like?

 

[Thunal33]

Much more confident that april is town than samac.

At least, I think we are really aligned in how we're seeing thing and the direction they have on their posts strike me as villagey

Me too. April is the only read I feel reasonably confident on.

 

[Thunal33]

Do you mind providing insight on what wolf!Clem tends to look like?

I feel like he changes up his entrance enough that it’s either not AI or if it is idk how to read it. I mostly read him on how much sense his worldview makes to me and if it’s good/bad for him. Like if he’s sussing the person with a big thread pull and he’s taking heat for it it’s usually towny. He can low post as both alignments but his reads are more under the radar and make less sense to me when he wolfs I think.

 

[Santygrass]

I'm confused. Could you elaborate more?

Lets say my reaction test is "I say Skill. and then if someone replies issue, then they are town"
The test can go wrong , or fumble the read for any reason, but what matters is the *intent* of the post, not the result. If the intent was to make a reaction test, then the result is moot, its still a test.

Okay. I fail to see how it could be anything but a reaction test but maybe others could chime in.

*chimes in*
I dont think it was an obvious reaction test, specially for early posts in the phase, the trolling or doing crazy non srs things is always a consideration

• First post seemed a bit awkward like trying to make an entrance without seeming too detached from the thread and is the only "previous basis" I can find for suspecting me (+/- samac?).
• Coming back to vote me without the receipts.
• Discrediting my entire questioning of PSV because of my one post asking clarification of what a response meant.
• Trying to say I should defocus my tunnel on her because "it's going nowhere." I don't think this is even remotely a tunnel, especially as I've been actively discussing other people.

*The second point is something that makes me lean town on moon actually. Like, yeah their entrance had only a jab at your entrance with the vote so in that context it could be seen as bad. But later when they voted you again without the receipts, not having the reason stated on thread but if you go back with that piece of knowledge makes their first vote/post have more sense, and makes their direction have more ground tbh

The low confidence since having no meta on you is showed both of when they state it in p#146 , and in how easy they agreed to switch onto samac when she told moon to move.

* The discrediting you for saying that the feed me seymour question was leading in any direction I think is exaggerating a bit, but also fair because I liked your questioning of PSV :hmmyes:

 

[Santygrass]

I'm not ready to core April but I assume this is your own list.

Also yeah, it was my own early villa core .
Now wit thunal also tr'ing April the core gains strenght yesyes


Me

April
AM
Moon
Samac
Thunal
genny
Clem
PSV

Is how I'd sort people asofrn

 

[Animal Midwife]

Lets say my reaction test is "I say Skill. and then if someone replies issue, then they are town"
The test can go wrong , or fumble the read for any reason, but what matters is the *intent* of the post, not the result. If the intent was to make a reaction test, then the result is moot, its still a test.

Meh. I guess. I still consider any actual content that comes from it to be a useful data point.

*chimes in*
I dont think it was an obvious reaction test, specially for early posts in the phase, the trolling or doing crazy non srs things is always a consideration

I suppose it's probably more blatant for those that have seen me do this type of stuff before. As a whole, I hate nonsense votes.

*The second point is something that makes me lean town on moon actually. Like, yeah their entrance had only a jab at your entrance with the vote so in that context it could be seen as bad. But later when they voted you again without the receipts, not having the reason stated on thread but if you go back with that piece of knowledge makes their first vote/post have more sense, and makes their direction have more ground tbh

The low confidence since having no meta on you is showed both of when they state it in p#146 , and in how easy they agreed to switch onto samac when she told moon to move.

idk maybe that'd be more meaningful to me if it was said before the revote. (Or if there was no vote switch in-between.) It might just be a peeve of mine but switching between two low confidence votes without pressuring anyone else doesn't gain any points.

* The discrediting you for saying that the feed me seymour question was leading in any direction I think is exaggerating a bit, but also fair because I liked your questioning of PSV :hmmyes:

Well, that was the core reason she gave to vote me with my reaction test being secondary so I have to disagree with it being an exaggeration.

 

[Clem J]

Tbh I'm not actively relying on meta this game because I'm so out of practice and I don't know/have very little game experience with a handful of the people playing anyway lol

Smart approach

I won't be copying it

 

[Clem J]

I was rereading Clem's intro (slash only posts since the game is still young and fresh) and I do feel like it's unusual for him to make that many posts so early on and immediately. Gotta say though, I think it's unusual for both alignments? So while his intro reads as odd I don't think it reads as wolfy-odd because I don't know if I've seen him (relatively) spam at the beginning like that as either wolf or village. Idk what to make of it.

Also tingly brain just says this is a wolfy role lol but that is hardly a slam dunk

Pwwants are not connected to alignment, it's in the OP

That said hard locking psv town

 

[Animal Midwife]

Pwwants are not connected to alignment, it's in the OP

That said hard locking psv town

Oh yeah?