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On the flipside of all of this, there are faculty members that exist out there that are LOVELY to students, and horrendous to their residents.

(Luckily not at my place of work, but at others that I have heard of in various specialties)
 
allygator13 said:
On the flipside of all of this, there are faculty members that exist out there that are LOVELY to students, and horrendous to their residents.

(Luckily not at my place of work, but at others that I have heard of in various specialties)
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Yeah I have heard this as well.
 
Today has been *a day* lol. My dad randomly showed up late last night with a trailer load of junk he doesn't want that he is convinced we need... so I had to spend this morning before classes unloading the trailer with him. During this time I managed to step in a 10" deep hole while carrying some stuff and twisted my ankle pretty badly. So now I'm hobbling around and sad about that. Left for class but was running late so didn't have time to stop and get the Starbucks I promised myself to make the morning better. Get to school and realize that our first class was cancelled... so I had time to get Starbucks... but I didn't want to limp all the way back out to my car to go get some. And now just realized I forgot my lunch lol FML. :bang:
 
A small and petty rant. Today my class signed up on a google doc spreadsheet in groups of 3 for a group presentation. I don’t know anyone because online makes it hard to make friends... but there was one girl who I sorta knew because we had worked with each other on an assignment in the past. So I knew I wanted to be in a group with her. I saw that someone had their cursor on the last slot in that one girl’s group but it wasn’t strictly taken. So I typed my name in. And that someone deleted my name and typed theirs in. So I deleted theirs and typed mine in. And so they deleted mine AGAIN and typed their name in. And because my class has 10 people I became the odd one out. So I joined the group with the girl I sorta know and this petty stranger and we’re a group of 4. So that should be fun...
 
alissa14 said:
A small and petty rant. Today my class signed up on a google doc spreadsheet in groups of 3 for a group presentation. I don’t know anyone because online makes it hard to make friends... but there was one girl who I sorta knew because we had worked with each other on an assignment in the past. So I knew I wanted to be in a group with her. I saw that someone had their cursor on the last slot in that one girl’s group but it wasn’t strictly taken. So I typed my name in. And that someone deleted my name and typed theirs in. So I deleted theirs and typed mine in. And so they deleted mine AGAIN and typed their name in. And because my class has 10 people I became the odd one out. So I joined the group with the girl I sorta know and this petty stranger and we’re a group of 4. So that should be fun...
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If you knew that there had to be one group of four why not just sign up as a fourth person to start with instead of stealing the space she was trying to sign up for?
 
Oof, reading the comments about residents here is rough. I really hope you guys speak up when you're having these issues... At my VMTH, the students evaluate the house officers, just as we evaluate them. I'd like to think that none of my residentmates come off as entitled or lazy, and I hope no one makes a student wait around for the CT... I feel like it's my responsibility to know when my patient is in the scanner. If I'm going to be in the OR, I send the intern down to be in charge of that, or ask the student directly and explain where I'll be if they need me. I work very hard to make sure that students are protected when it comes to quality of life and uncomfortable interactions with clients, since this is likely the last time they'll really be able to have that level of protection. Really, I hope all of you have mechanisms for providing feedback to house officers that are treating you poorly. It's the only way that any change can happen!
 
alissa14 said:
A small and petty rant. Today my class signed up on a google doc spreadsheet in groups of 3 for a group presentation. I don’t know anyone because online makes it hard to make friends... but there was one girl who I sorta knew because we had worked with each other on an assignment in the past. So I knew I wanted to be in a group with her. I saw that someone had their cursor on the last slot in that one girl’s group but it wasn’t strictly taken. So I typed my name in. And that someone deleted my name and typed theirs in. So I deleted theirs and typed mine in. And so they deleted mine AGAIN and typed their name in. And because my class has 10 people I became the odd one out. So I joined the group with the girl I sorta know and this petty stranger and we’re a group of 4. So that should be fun...
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Huh. I can totally see the other side:

"A small and petty rant. Today my class signed up on a google doc spreadsheet in groups of 3 for a group presentation. I had my cursor sitting on the spot, but I was chatting with someone to figure something out and meanwhile some classmate took the spot out from under me. WTH? Like, why would someone do that knowing someone else was taking the spot?"

*shrug*

I'd just move on.
 
Okimo said:
Oof, reading the comments about residents here is rough.
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Don't let it get under your skin. Just because some residents (and staff and interns and .....) are rough on people doesn't mean you have to be that resident. 🙂

But I do think it's worth recognizing that there is (may be?) a bit of a systemic problem (not just with residents - with the whole process of beating down the people a step behind you).
 
LetItSnow said:
Don't let it get under your skin. Just because some residents (and staff and interns and .....) are rough on people doesn't mean you have to be that resident. 🙂

But I do think it's worth recognizing that there is (may be?) a bit of a systemic problem (not just with residents - with the whole process of beating down the people a step behind you).
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Luckily, not much gets under my skin too easily 🙂 There's definitely a systemic problem, and it's not just in academia. I just try to keep up to date with my evaluations and check in with my students regularly -- be the change you wish to see in the world and all that.
 
Today our manager warned us to be prepared for clients on edge because of voting. She was very accurate.

I picked up the phone while holding a dog under my arm, on my way to the back to set it in a cage and hold a different patient we just gave apo to. The receptionist was busy being the third hand in restraining another dog. Sure enough, the caller says "I've been waiting twelve minutes." I ask who it is. It's the 4 pm appointment who arrived 10 minutes early calling at 4:02 to complain that no one has brought her pet inside yet. I tell her I'm so sorry, we had an emergency come in at the same time as her, someone will be out for her in a few minutes. "Yeah, it's been t w e l v e minutes, someone better be!"

She called for a same day sick appointment (nothing emergent) but declined to drop off her cat at an earlier time. Instead, she chose to be *fit in* as an appointment later in the day. I wish I could have told her "We gave you options, this is the one you chose!"

Thankfully, my new job is typically very relaxed and well organized. This is a rare occurrence, especially compared to the nightmare of my last job. But there will be a few ungrateful clients wherever you go!
 
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SkiOtter said:
If you knew that there had to be one group of four why not just sign up as a fourth person to start with instead of stealing the space she was trying to sign up for?
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I don’t think my prof realized there would’ve been one extra person and we’d need a group of four. I’m over it now lol
 
I took in the biggest roller coaster of an appointment today.

I went outside to get the next annual exam/vaccine appointment and saw the dog I was looking for standing, alone and unleashed, in the middle of the grassy (unfenced) yard next to the parking lot. The owner was nowhere in sight. I walked over and put a leash on her then looked around the back of the building, expecting to see the owner bagging dog poop or something. Nope. He was peeing on the back of the building, pants at his ankles.

I stepped back and pretended I didn't see anything and waited until he came around the corner, unmasked. I quickly got him to agree to the vaccines and services due today and brought the dog inside. The dog followed me inside nicely enough.

As I set down my clipboard in the exam room, I heard what sounded like a reverse sneeze and turned around to see the dog beginning to snot rocket huge amounts of blood in a projectile-like spray. In the five seconds it took for the vet to sprint into the room, the dog coated half of the exam room floor in blood.

The vet found multiple lung tumors on chest rads. This whole thing started out as a rant-worthy moment but I think it turned into much more of a story than that. 😵
 
I might delete later so please don't quote.

I'm satisfied the election went in favor of ensuring rights are kept so please excuse me in advance for this trivial rant. The problem is my immediate family tearing apart. There's been a lot of yelling resulting in increased tension and headaches for me. So I've mostly been holed up in my room with a heating pad. I'm hoping what's occurring is just initial shock and hyperbole, but immediately after the election was called, my mom said my grandparents aren't allowed to visit anymore. I'm just feeling raw and like I lost anyway.
 
@Animal Midwife @vetmedhead I'm so sorry you've experienced this with your family. I'm lucky in the sense that my usually conservative parents wanted trump gone, but I definitely come from a very conservative part of the country and have a lot of friends and other family who have said similar things. It's really hard.
 
Hey guys, if you need to reach out to anyone about this stuff, I'm always willing to listen. Messenger gets a hold of me faster if we're facebook friends. I'm so sorry yall are going through this.

I've been telling my ultra conservative family that i wont engage in conversation about all this unless it's in good faith with our family love at the front of the conversation. Telling family you're going to disengage and just leave things be, would be my advice. I know my specific family members will have a better mindset with some time to have real conversations.
 
I'm lucky in that I'm in my last year and poised to be able to go essentially anywhere in the country if I want to take a job there. Thinking about hitting the eject button and staying somewhere where I at least know that on average I won't be treated badly for who I am
 
batsenecal said:
i wont engage in conversation about all this
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Super useful advice. Inflammatory statements deserve a change of conversation topic, and then if the hint isn't taken, end of conversation.

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Semi-related to the posts above, but I highly recommend watching The Social Dilemma (documentary on Netflix). It goes into how the internet and social media in general are driving people to become more extreme versions of themselves and their beliefs because it surrounds people with what they want to see. So I end up in a nice comfortable bubble of people echoing my thoughts and opinions and rarely seeing opinions from the other side, which reinforces my belief that my way is right and how could anyone think the opposite? Don't they see how much x, y, and z is horrible and how a, b, and c are clearly correct? And the answer is no, they don't, because they are being surrounded by news articles and people stating how a, b, and c are horrible. It really kind of helped me understand that people in general are not usually this polarized and not necessarily intentionally hateful, but their brains are being conditioned and hardwired along a different path than mine. And of course people who are already predisposed to believe conspiracy theories are that much more susceptible to falling down these rabbit holes and embracing them.

Not sure if that made sense but it definitely helped me feel at least a little less like nearly half the population of voting Americans were just total a-holes, but rather differently informed.
 
@KCgophervet Agreed, social media and the echo chambers it causes has definitely escalated things to the current situation.

I know I don't know you all too well, but if anyone needs to talk I am here. I had to cut my grandfather out of my life due to him constantly attacking and antagonizing me for my political leanings (thankfully he knows NOTHING of my religion, or lack there of) even when I refused to engage in discussion. The last few years have been really rough in this country, and sometimes getting away and surrounding yourself with people who love and accept you is the best thing to do. No one deserves to be disowned from their family over political disagreement and we currently live in a climate where demonizing the other side is all too common. I hope we can head back toward a more reasonable mind set, but unfortunately I'm no longer holding my breath.
 
KCgophervet said:
Semi-related to the posts above, but I highly recommend watching The Social Dilemma (documentary on Netflix). It goes into how the internet and social media in general are driving people to become more extreme versions of themselves and their beliefs because it surrounds people with what they want to see. So I end up in a nice comfortable bubble of people echoing my thoughts and opinions and rarely seeing opinions from the other side, which reinforces my belief that my way is right and how could anyone think the opposite? Don't they see how much x, y, and z is horrible and how a, b, and c are clearly correct? And the answer is no, they don't, because they are being surrounded by news articles and people stating how a, b, and c are horrible. It really kind of helped me understand that people in general are not usually this polarized and not necessarily intentionally hateful, but their brains are being conditioned and hardwired along a different path than mine. And of course people who are already predisposed to believe conspiracy theories are that much more susceptible to falling down these rabbit holes and embracing them.

Not sure if that made sense but it definitely helped me feel at least a little less like nearly half the population of voting Americans were just total a-holes, but rather differently informed.
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That documentary honestly terrified me!
 
"differently informed" sounds like "alternative facts" in my head lol

I do think a concern for me re: all the conspiracy theories etc is that the people I see spouting them are all, across the board, terrible at critical evaluation of news sources and sometimes critical thinking in general. (This applies to those with college degrees as well before you argue it's 100% an education thing)

There's no interest or effort in looking at where their news is coming from, who verified it or if it's even verified at all, or what opposing views or sources are saying about the same information and why. I was raised to be curious and kind of argumentative, which lends itself well to this type of evaluation of sources, but it baffles me that for a lot of people it just never occurs to them to do it. They learn to parrot the talking points being fed to them (and it's obvious, many people "independently" say the exact same arguments almost word for word based on the topic).

The one weird exception to this for me is my mom. My stepdad is absolutely the person I described above but she reads like three newspapers a day (and always has), hates Fox, insists on watching NBC every single day, watches every episode of 60 minutes etc and still acts like this. It's really unfortunate and I have no idea where she short circuited to take in this volume of information daily and ignore all of it
 
vetmedhead said:
This applies to those with college degrees as well before you argue it's 100% an education thing
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I've absolutely noticed this too.

Part of it seems to be the spin on the facts. A good example (without getting into the actual political discussion) is Russian interference in 2016. There are so many facts about what did or did not happen, and each of those facts has been spun where the statements are "factual". But theres just enough perspective/context added or changed that I personally dont know what is and is not true about Russian collusion in 2016. And I honestly am not even sure where to start looking for the objective truth.
 
vetmedhead said:
There's no interest or effort in looking at where their news is coming from, who verified it or if it's even verified at all, or what opposing views or sources are saying about the same information and why.
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I think this largely has to do with people's instinct to automatically agree with something they already have a bias toward or something they WANT to believe. Most people are guilty of this to an extent, but unfortunately even intelligent people are not always able to recognize it and try to overcome it. The comfort with just hearing what you want and it confirming your already held beliefs is a massive influencer and can cause even the smartest people to behave like this. My dad can be like that, but fortunately if I sit and have an honest discussion with him he'll understand why I feel the way I feel (although it helps that he is not an intense person when it comes to politics). I'm sorry you are going through this, watching people you love fall for flat out lies can be devastating, especially if they let it come between you two. Seeing intelligent, well-educated people fall for conspiracies is absolutely terrifying.

Edit to add: I've become really exhausted with all the conspiracies around COVID-19. I have joked to my mom that I wasted my money on my MPH since everyone is suddenly a public health expert, but it's really disheartening to see how many smart people I looked up to (MULTIPLE vets) believe it's a conspiracy since someone on the TV told them it was. I have no advice on how to deal with it other than walking away, because I've found many of the people who believe these things are unwilling to have an honest, critical discussion about the situation.
 
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Animal Midwife said:
Probably overly simplistic, but I just run things through Snopes and call it a day. :laugh:
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Lol I remember back in 2016 I posted a snopes article on a comment section of a friend's (inaccurate) facebook post and this 75 year old man told me it was a liberal biased source of lies and then called me a typical ugly liberal woman

I don't know why I even expend the effort sometimes, it's not even bad faith arguing at this point, it's literally just waiting for people to walk past your yard so you can pelt rocks at them
 
I'm sure most people on here that know me know the **** I've had to deal with re: ridiculous family opinions and the burden and consequences of that. In that vein, if anyone is having difficulties with family feel free to reach out. I'm here for you. The two-faced, paradoxical, hypocrisy is as painful as it is absurd. Remember it doesn't matter what they say, though it may hurt. You are loved, respected, and valued here. At the very least by me. It sucks but you'll get through it. Focus on the people you chose to be in your life and surround yourself with positivity and healthy relationships. My PM box is always open if you need to chat.
 
vetmedhead said:
Lol I remember back in 2016 I posted a snopes article on a comment section of a friend's (inaccurate) facebook post and this 75 year old man told me it was a liberal biased source of lies and then called me a typical ugly liberal woman

I don't know why I even expend the effort sometimes, it's not even bad faith arguing at this point, it's literally just waiting for people to walk past your yard so you can pelt rocks at them
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This is why I don't even try anymore - I can come back with every piece of empirical, non-biased data to back up a claim, and I'll still be told it's "fake news". I hate to be pessimistic about this, but I don't think anyone on the opposing side is really interested in or open to changing their views. Or, at least, they aren't open to anyone else convincing them to change. They won't change unless they come to it on their own...which is a nebulous possibility, at best.
 
EB73674 said:
This is why I don't even try anymore - I can come back with every piece of empirical, non-biased data to back up a claim, and I'll still be told it's "fake news". I hate to be pessimistic about this, but I don't think anyone on the opposing side is really interested in or open to changing their views. Or, at least, they aren't open to anyone else convincing them to change. They won't change unless they come to it on their own...which is a nebulous possibility, at best.
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They've been tricked and lied to that only specific sources sharing highly biased/propagandized information are correct. All else is lies. It's a very effective propaganda strategy in and of itself and as a country we need investment high up in the government to hold media to actual journalistic integrity standards and to work on deprogramming these people from the lies they've been fed for decades.

Unfortunately with the government as it stands now that's not going to happen. But with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine in 1987 and insistence from these biased outlets that they're "entertainment" and therefore not responsible for sharing actual news despite selling themselves as a news agency/program, these people are just getting away with increasingly radical lies over and over again. For example, when Tucker Carlson's show was accused of slander Fox News won the lawsuit by arguing that his show was clearly entertainment and no reasonable person would take it for anything else... despite essentially every single regular viewer of that show treating all of the material as fact.

Fox News exists solely to radicalize people, at this point. And it's awful to see how well it's worked.
 
It has. To be honest, it is difficult to know where to turn for factual news. It seems as if there just is not an unbiased news program any longer.

Also, it seems as if it is harder and harder to sit and have a calm conversation with people. There are 6 of us in our "close friends" group. We all have the same basic views. But even then, there have been a few times it got very heated. However, we were able to get back together and then talk calmly. Observation: These often happen not because of opposing views, those do happen, but once we were able to get back on track and speak calmly, the problem was usually one of vocabulary. (well, and sometimes hearing issues...the guys' hearing is not that great sometimes) But there were times that we were not understanding each other well. Once we figure out where the rupture occurred, then we can get it back on track. There are things we don't all agree on, but we have had some wonderful conversations, sharing our views and discussing the differing points, and able to remain friends.

But I do have friends that we have agreed--no politics. They can be excitable. I think that is the polite way to describe it. We have just decided that it would be better we will just avoid that topic. 🤣
 
Elkhart said:
Tired of constant identity crises. I feel like I'm way too old to still be struggling with figuring out who and what I am, and I just wish I could be normal.
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We might not all struggle quite the same, but we do all struggle with who we are. And normal doesn’t exist.
 
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Can somebody please tell me there's evidence that adding a face shield or goggles makes a significant difference to disease transmission even where you're already more than 6 ft away from other people and wearing a mask? Because I'd feel a lot better about how uncomfortable I am right now if I knew it was actually helping.

Clinics during covid are miserable and I'm constantly anxious we're going to kicked out of the building again. Just want to be done.
 
finnickthedog said:
Can somebody please tell me there's evidence that adding a face shield or goggles makes a significant difference to disease transmission even where you're already more than 6 ft away from other people and wearing a mask? Because I'd feel a lot better about how uncomfortable I am right now if I knew it was actually helping.

Clinics during covid are miserable and I'm constantly anxious we're going to kicked out of the building again. Just want to be done.
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timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Face shields drastically reduce transmission of coronavirus in health workers in India: Study

As we write this, the number of positive coronavirus cases have crossed 22 million and the viral contagion has already resulted in 791,568 fatalities across the globe. Currently, there are more than 160 vaccine candidates in different stages of clinical trials to combat the spread of the disease...
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Also at my work we just added a face shield requirement (in addition to masks). I know it adds a significant expense to the department so I'm fairly convinced we wouldn't be doing it if there weren't evidence somewhere it decreases transmission significantly (I'm just not privy to that data).
 
KCgophervet said:
timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Face shields drastically reduce transmission of coronavirus in health workers in India: Study

As we write this, the number of positive coronavirus cases have crossed 22 million and the viral contagion has already resulted in 791,568 fatalities across the globe. Currently, there are more than 160 vaccine candidates in different stages of clinical trials to combat the spread of the disease...
timesofindia.indiatimes.com timesofindia.indiatimes.com
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I'm specifically asking about when I'm distanced though. I don't necessarily mind being asked to wear them when close to people because I know that makes a difference and that was already the rule here that if you were closer than 6 ft you needed a shield/goggles (actually originally was closer than 3ft but changed to 6). It's changed though and students are now required to wear them 100% of the time. And it's really frustrating that I now can't even let my face breathe for a few minutes even if I'm like... 10 ft away from the nearest person.

But thanks for the link. It helps a little. Not a lot. But a little is something.
 
finnickthedog said:
I'm specifically asking about when I'm distanced though. I don't necessarily mind being asked to wear them when close to people because I know that makes a difference and that was already the rule here that if you were closer than 6 ft you needed a shield/goggles (actually originally was closer than 3ft but changed to 6). It's changed though and students are now required to wear them 100% of the time. And it's really frustrating that I now can't even let my face breathe for a few minutes even if I'm like... 10 ft away from the nearest person.

But thanks for the link. It helps a little. Not a lot. But a little is something.
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The virus can last in air for hours after an infected person leaves the area. Now hopefully masks will reduce the number of virus particles getting into the air but it won't make that number zero. So, having the face shield will further protect from that exposure. And while breathing the virus in is going to be of most concern, the conjunctiva of the eyes can also be a potential entry point. Conjunctivitis "punk eye" isn't an uncommon covid symptom.
 
I get covid is a big deal like definately not downplaying it in the slightest or implying that the human med world isn't struggling right now but the gov of WA has to be on some next level stuff. First of all he's announcing all this on a Sunday/tomorrow (ppl preleaked emails though). So literally no businesses have time to comply when most places operate M-F and it's supposed to go into effect on M for the next month.
No indoor social gatherings with people outside your household-but they don't know how to enforce it yet.
However outdoor gatherings of 5ppl is fine and indoor gatherings at church with 25% or 200 whichever is less limit is fine.
Am I the only one seeing something wrong here?

on a more positive note school is at least exempt from the new changes.
 
MixedAnimals77 said:
I get covid is a big deal like definately not downplaying it in the slightest or implying that the human med world isn't struggling right now but the gov of WA has to be on some next level stuff. First of all he's announcing all this on a Sunday/tomorrow (ppl preleaked emails though). So literally no businesses have time to comply when most places operate M-F and it's supposed to go into effect on M for the next month.
No indoor social gatherings with people outside your household-but they don't know how to enforce it yet.
However outdoor gatherings of 5ppl is fine and indoor gatherings at church with 25% or 200 whichever is less limit is fine.
Am I the only one seeing something wrong here?

on a more positive note school is at least exempt from the new changes.
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SkiOtter said:
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Maybe my main point wasn't clear or I'm taking this the wrong way. We're restricting household gatherings to 0 but still saying gathering inside in church possibly up to 200 people is fine- how does it make any sense?
 
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