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JaynaAli said:
If you need resources PM me. I can dig through and see what mock boards and stuff I have for gen path that I could share. Trust me that it’s worst studying for gen path a second time while also prepping for phase 2, if that’s motivating at all.
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Very motivating, haha. I just find most of the topics sooo dry. Cells are boring :laugh: I did take a gen path review course over the summer, so I have quite a few resources from that. Just hard to sit down and focus on them! Thanks for the offer :biglove:
 
Being woken up in the middle of the night by loud noises coming from your heater that is
leaking water. Surprise, surprise - the heater that we were told last year needed to be fixed is now leaking water again since my landlord did not get a heating guy to come and replace the unit over the summer like he promised us. :dead:
 
WonderingStudent said:
Being woken up in the middle of the night by loud noises coming from your heater that is
leaking water. Surprise, surprise - the heater that we were told last year needed to be fixed is now leaking water again since my landlord did not get a heating guy to come and replace the unit over the summer like he promised us. :dead:
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Update: Multiple rooms in the house are soaked in water from the pretty big leak that somehow is also coming from the light fixtures as well as the heaters.
 
WonderingStudent said:
Being woken up in the middle of the night by loud noises coming from your heater that is
leaking water. Surprise, surprise - the heater that we were told last year needed to be fixed is now leaking water again since my landlord did not get a heating guy to come and replace the unit over the summer like he promised us. :dead:
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WonderingStudent said:
Update: Multiple rooms in the house are soaked in water from the pretty big leak that somehow is also coming from the light fixtures as well as the heaters.
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Oof similar thing happened in my old place few months ago

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So my consolidation loan was disbursed. This is great... except they missed a loan.

It's my smallest loan and it has a payment due in the next couple weeks so I'm probably just going to pay it off at this point rather than deal with the headache of trying to get it added. Buuuut now I have to call and talk to them and make sure they're not still planning to add it or something ridiculous... and I hate calling and dealing with people.
 
finnickthedog said:
So my consolidation loan was disbursed. This is great... except they missed a loan.

It's my smallest loan and it has a payment due in the next couple weeks so I'm probably just going to pay it off at this point rather than deal with the headache of trying to get it added. Buuuut now I have to call and talk to them and make sure they're not still planning to add it or something ridiculous... and I hate calling and dealing with people.
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Annnd everyone I call keeps telling me it's not their job and I need to call someone else 😡
 
I’m so sick of Covid, I just want the pandemic to be over already. I had a close family member who was only in her 40s die from a collapsed lung after a 3 week hospitalization. She was recovering and had moved out of the ICU but then took a very sharp turn for the worse over the weekend.

Everyone needs to get vaccinated, please for the love of god go get your first dose and boosters. People are still dying.
 
I have been on 4/6 interviews and tbh they've all been pretty disappointing. Unless I want to sell my soul to the small animal side I havent found a place that I would want to work at. There are tons of mixed animal jobs available in the state I want to work in. It is also not a matter of lack of job offers, but just the standard of care and even being semi up to date is not there at a suprising amount of clinics. Its 2021 why are we still doing paper records and processing xray film? I feel like I'm not asking for that much, but maybe I am. I am just getting discouraged in my job search. Hoping one of my last 2 interviews works out otherwise on to plan B. Whatever that is...
 
MixedAnimals77 said:
I have been on 4/6 interviews and tbh they've all been pretty disappointing. Unless I want to sell my soul to the small animal side I havent found a place that I would want to work at. There are tons of mixed animal jobs available in the state I want to work in. It is also not a matter of lack of job offers, but just the standard of care and even being semi up to date is not there at a suprising amount of clinics. Its 2021 why are we still doing paper records and processing xray film? I feel like I'm not asking for that much, but maybe I am. I am just getting discouraged in my job search. Hoping one of my last 2 interviews works out otherwise on to plan B. Whatever that is...
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Where are you trying to work - CO?
 
I was invited to an afternoon holiday party.

The invitation said there would be lots of yummy "holiday" food for everyone.

Holiday party ... holiday food ... well, that sounded fantastic to me at this time of the year.

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I didn't eat any food (for hours) ... and anticipated eating some decadently sweet and sugary holiday morsels at the party.

Nope, that didn't happen.

The holiday food was nothing but LOTS of salads, LOTS of veggie selections and some trays of chocolate chip cookies.

Needless to say, the trays of chocolate chip cookies had dwindled down to a few crumbly cookies by the time I arrived, probably because everyone was expecting a bounty of sweet holiday goodies, and not shrubbery. The salads and veggies were barely touched - at least, they were bountiful.
If I was a RABBIT, I would have loved the salads and veggies.
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I was the wrong species for this "holiday" party!
 
thought i had a good enough plan for fixing my back injury so that it wouldn't majorly affect me during clinics, but after a month with no improvement my doctor just dropped "yeah these injuries usually take 4-5 months to heal", which means i will likely be at least starting clinics with constant pain.....so that's *~fun~*. love being 24 with the back pain of an 80 year old :dead:
 
cbucks said:
thought i had a good enough plan for fixing my back injury so that it wouldn't majorly affect me during clinics, but after a month with no improvement my doctor just dropped "yeah these injuries usually take 4-5 months to heal", which means i will likely be at least starting clinics with constant pain.....so that's *~fun~*. love being 24 with the back pain of an 80 year old :dead:
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Hi I relate to you.
I’ve been in constant pain since last Christmas. If you can, I would get a disability letter of accommodation from your school’s disability office that says you are allowed to have a chair whenever you want it and need assistance lifting dogs over a certain size/holding limbs during surgery. When my back was at its worst at the beginning of clinics, I was essentially just pushing my ass around in a rolly chair throughout the non-client (aka not the lobby and would walk up there even though it was incredibly difficult) parts of the hospital all day long so I would be able to walk out of the building at the end of the day. I was also able to get a close parking space through the disability office because my injury limited my ability to walk longer distances (literally even from the close spaces to my rounds room was tough), so if walking is tough for you I would also look into that.
Sending all the chronic pain hugs💜
 
SkiOtter said:
Hi I relate to you.
I’ve been in constant pain since last Christmas. If you can, I would get a disability letter of accommodation from your school’s disability office that says you are allowed to have a chair whenever you want it and need assistance lifting dogs over a certain size/holding limbs during surgery. When my back was at its worst at the beginning of clinics, I was essentially just pushing my ass around in a rolly chair throughout the non-client (aka not the lobby and would walk up there even though it was incredibly difficult) parts of the hospital all day long so I would be able to walk out of the building at the end of the day. I was also able to get a close parking space through the disability office because my injury limited my ability to walk longer distances (literally even from the close spaces to my rounds room was tough), so if walking is tough for you I would also look into that.
Sending all the chronic pain hugs💜
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thank you for the advice, i hadn't even thought of that!! i'll have to talk to my doctor and PT and see what they think in terms of accommodations and then bring all that to the school. it's been a longgggggg road with my chronic pain and my current flare up has been the worst i've ever experienced, so it's almost 'lucky' that it's happening before clinics start so i can start treating it and make plans for when it happens and i'm actually in the hospital. hugs to you as well💜
 
cbucks said:
thank you for the advice, i hadn't even thought of that!! i'll have to talk to my doctor and PT and see what they think in terms of accommodations and then bring all that to the school. it's been a longgggggg road with my chronic pain and my current flare up has been the worst i've ever experienced, so it's almost 'lucky' that it's happening before clinics start so i can start treating it and make plans for when it happens and i'm actually in the hospital. hugs to you as well💜
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Yes! And be defensive of your back no matter what. People can try to pressure you because it's inconvenient but they can be inconvenienced for five minutes or you can be harmed for months to years.

I don't know if you have lower back pain or another location, but I have lower back issues and these are some of my experiences

I'd spend time now investing in comfy shoes and potentially even some back braces for support/to remind you to keep a good posture. I have one that goes around my shoulders that I wear on surgery days because they help keep me from hunching. I'm also in a lumbar brace rn but that's because I recently had back surgery lol. That being said it's something I'm considering wearing on surgery days in the future as well. These things can be a lot of extra effort to put on or lug around but really helpful in the long term. I'm also into a lot of those lumbar support pillows/back supports for chairs because they can help a lot. I put one in my car and it's been the best decision ever. But I can take it out when I need to so sometimes it visits with me when there are ****ty chairs at work.
Speaking of, I also set my rearview mirror so I can only see out of it if I have good posture and don't move it to readjust unless I am sitting up straight when I do (I had a tendency to change to to wherever if I was hunched over after school or work).

Also I don't know why but at least where I went to school they didn't keep anti-fatigue mats around the OR areas and all of those floors were really hard. You can't exactly force them to bring you mats, but it's extra motivation to invest in shoes (and then just something in the future to remember to buy for yourself wherever you end up working!).

For physical exams, examine your patients on tables (preferably that can adjust height! Although this isn't as common for exam tables) wherever possible and if you have to examine one on the floor then try kneeling on one knee to help force yourself to keep a straighter back. Bonus of kneeling like that is that if an animal decides to be sketchy then you can quickly get up off the floor to avoid them.

Also work on your squatting and try to do that more than bending, your lower back will thank you. One more fun trip for keeping a straight back when you're doing surgery: put one toe (not your whole foot) on the bottom of the surgery table. It forces you to lean back a little bit instead of bending over because it's harder to bend because of how it sets your hip. I had to start doing this when I brush my teeth in the morning (post-op says no bending) to spit in the sink.
 
vetmedhead said:
Yes! And be defensive of your back no matter what. People can try to pressure you because it's inconvenient but they can be inconvenienced for five minutes or you can be harmed for months to years.
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THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
The amount of times I’ve had to have classmates come get a patient from the waiting room with me if I expect they may be pully (not trying to pop another disc here🥲) or I can’t carry them is more than I can count.

cbucks said:
thank you for the advice, i hadn't even thought of that!! i'll have to talk to my doctor and PT and see what they think in terms of accommodations and then bring all that to the school. it's been a longgggggg road with my chronic pain and my current flare up has been the worst i've ever experienced, so it's almost 'lucky' that it's happening before clinics start so i can start treating it and make plans for when it happens and i'm actually in the hospital. hugs to you as well💜
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IMO, the most helpful part about having it already in place is being able to just have that bit of comfort knowing that I cannot be denied a chair by someone on a power trip. So far everyone I’ve come in contact with has been very understanding about my back, but I know not everyone will be and I expect some pushback on my surgery rotations when I’m supposed to be scrubbed in and watching the surgery or holding things. I email the clinician a few days before the beginning of each rotation and give them a heads up, send my letter, and let them know when my PT appointments have been and everyone has been understanding so far.
 
vetmedhead said:
Yes! And be defensive of your back no matter what. People can try to pressure you because it's inconvenient but they can be inconvenienced for five minutes or you can be harmed for months to years.

I don't know if you have lower back pain or another location, but I have lower back issues and these are some of my experiences
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my back pain is entirely in my lower back so this is 100% applicable to me, thank you so much!! there were so many things you mentioned that i've never thought about but i already know they'd make a huge difference in how i feel. do you have any specific shoes you recommend? i've only ever worn sneakers when working in hospitals so i'm sure there's better options but i've never looked into anything :laugh:
SkiOtter said:
IMO, the most helpful part about having it already in place is being able to just have that bit of comfort knowing that I cannot be denied a chair by someone on a power trip. So far everyone I’ve come in contact with has been very understanding about my back, but I know not everyone will be and I expect some pushback on my surgery rotations when I’m supposed to be scrubbed in and watching the surgery or holding things. I email the clinician a few days before the beginning of each rotation and give them a heads up, send my letter, and let them know when my PT appointments have been and everyone has been understanding so far.
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i do think the hardest part for me is going to be advocating for myself (mostly because i end up pushing myself too much if my back feels 'good' because i think i can do everything and then my back reminds me i ~cannot~ lol), so having a plan and letter so other people know my limitations will be very helpful.
i almost didn't make my original post because i just felt complain-y, but i'm really glad i did because you both have been so supportive and helpful💜
 
cbucks said:
mostly because i end up pushing myself too much if my back feels 'good' because i think i can do everything and then my back reminds me i ~cannot~ lol
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This was the hardest part for me too. I’ve now accepted it and that I need more help and I straight up wheeled a cat in a carrier down to radiology on a wheely chair yesterday because I wasn’t sure if I would be able to make it there and back without excessive pain while carrying it. You need to do what’s best for you and what keeps YOU in decent health so that you can continue in this field for the next 30 or so years, even if it’s slightly inconvenient for someone else briefly.
 
SkiOtter said:
THIS. SO MUCH THIS.
The amount of times I’ve had to have classmates come get a patient from the waiting room with me if I expect they may be pully (not trying to pop another disc here🥲) or I can’t carry them is more than I can count.


IMO, the most helpful part about having it already in place is being able to just have that bit of comfort knowing that I cannot be denied a chair by someone on a power trip. So far everyone I’ve come in contact with has been very understanding about my back, but I know not everyone will be and I expect some pushback on my surgery rotations when I’m supposed to be scrubbed in and watching the surgery or holding things. I email the clinician a few days before the beginning of each rotation and give them a heads up, send my letter, and let them know when my PT appointments have been and everyone has been understanding so far.
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I had surgery a few months ago and recommend this 1000%. Everyone has been very understanding, but some want more than others. 2 out of 3 rotations were very chill - just let them know when I have a doctor's or PT appointment and what my limitations are. 1 out of 3 rotations, still no problem, but wanted official documentation on the books with the disability office/academic affairs and doctor's notes when I missed part of the day. And it was very comforting to know that I could sit down if I needed to and no one could give me a hard time about it.

I also do my best to schedule appointments at whatever time is best for the rotation I'm on. In one rotation, 8 am appointments were good most days and I didn't miss anything because I didn't need to be there until 9 am. For a different rotation 8 am was serious rounds time and a terrible time to miss, so 9:30 appointments were better. Required a small amount of accommodation in terms of assigning me appointments that didn't conflict with those times, but overall not a big deal.

Also up to you to decide how much you want to say to classmates, but I do think being up front about it is helpful and most other students are happy to jump in to help you grab a dog to walk it back or clean out a horse hoof or whatever may be a struggle for you. My temporary disability was obvious at first because I was on crutches, but I definitely let everyone know that I was working with if I thought I might need help with something once I could walk like a semi-normal human.
 
SkiOtter said:
I straight up wheeled a cat in a carrier down to radiology on a wheely chair yesterday because I wasn’t sure if I would be able to make it there and back without excessive pain while carrying it.
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We have one of those animal baby strollers that zips completely closed on the top for cats and small dogs going to surgeries, which is far from the community practice suite.

1. Very practical. No carrying needed and you can put your chart in the back pocket.
2. Absolutely adorable.
 
britzen said:
We have one of those animal baby strollers that zips completely closed on the top for cats and small dogs going to surgeries, which is far from the community practice suite.

1. Very practical. No carrying needed and you can put your chart in the back pocket.
2. Absolutely adorable.
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That is amazing
My mom definitely has one of those for her small dog (old bb and couldn’t walk long distances) and I’ll definitely be getting one when my dog gets older so she can still go on walkies😂
 
cbucks said:
my back pain is entirely in my lower back so this is 100% applicable to me, thank you so much!! there were so many things you mentioned that i've never thought about but i already know they'd make a huge difference in how i feel. do you have any specific shoes you recommend? i've only ever worn sneakers when working in hospitals so i'm sure there's better options but i've never looked into anything :laugh:

i do think the hardest part for me is going to be advocating for myself (mostly because i end up pushing myself too much if my back feels 'good' because i think i can do everything and then my back reminds me i ~cannot~ lol), so having a plan and letter so other people know my limitations will be very helpful.
i almost didn't make my original post because i just felt complain-y, but i'm really glad i did because you both have been so supportive and helpful💜
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Not gonna lie, I currently live in my mint green crocs. I've tried a lot of shoes and wildly those have been the absolute best thus far

Something I'll add too with sneakers is unfortunately you have to replace them WAY more often than you think - pull them off every so often and look at the wear on the tread. When they start to get a lean to one side or another while you have them on a flat surface you need new ones to help keep your alignment right
 
vetmedhead said:
Not gonna lie, I currently live in my mint green crocs. I've tried a lot of shoes and wildly those have been the absolute best thus far

Something I'll add too with sneakers is unfortunately you have to replace them WAY more often than you think - pull them off every so often and look at the wear on the tread. When they start to get a lean to one side or another while you have them on a flat surface you need new ones to help keep your alignment right
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oh yeah, i'm a runner so my sneakers have a wildly fast turnover rate because i can feel the second they start to lose support :laugh: and i've been hearing more and more about crocs in the hospital so maybe this is my sign to test them out!
 
flyhi said:
ok, so i've decided to start a thread to simply vent about anything and everything. I have steam coming out of my ears right now :scared: and need to vent...so I will start.

Ok, so I gave my company over a YEAR's notice i was leaving (deferred vet school) and now it's biting me in my rear. Let me see if i understand this...my boss hires his two sons 3 years ago, makes them part owners and pays them ridiculous salaries in a business they are clueless about. I started the company from ground zero with him (working 60-70 hrs a week for 2 years) and 6 years later, after helping making it a nationally recongnized company, am leaving.

NOW, the sons want to complain about my payroll these last two months because i am not hair-pulling-out-crazy-busy (i've trained my staff and actually can kick back for the first time) even though they are still 2 months behind on payroll.......ARGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!! :bang:

AND, i never took a real vacation but once, don't play golf every Friday and don't have to go to kids' dance recitals, school plays in the middle of the day, and play mister mom to a sick kid even though you have a full-time stay at home wife!

Working for a very small company that is a family business is just not for me. Boss man gets it, but his silver spoon sons don't GRRRRRRRRR. 👎

<RANT OVER> Next.....
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Unless you have specific agreements that are written into a contract, you really have no options but to leave because it won't get any better. Also, if the company is 2 months behind on payroll, you may want to get out while the getting is good because this company is in trouble. You need to be loyal to you first.
 
Drjc1977 said:
Unless you have specific agreements that are written into a contract, you really have no options but to leave because it won't get any better. Also, if the company is 2 months behind on payroll, you may want to get out while the getting is good because this company is in trouble. You need to be loyal to you first.
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I’m gonna guess that in the past 11 years since that post you quoted, this person has moved on. 😉
 
GUYS
ok so I know I should take it with a grain of salt and tik tok is a toxic place yada yada but I see multiple people on tik tok or the internet begging for people to donate to their gofundme for their sick pets which I understand but OMYGODDD THE COMMENTS.
From "vets are charging to high prices", "vets only care about money", "vets only want to put down your animals", "your student loans are not our problem **** you", " you should do more charity you guys can sink the cost". And this attitude not only prevails on the app/internet , but I see it irl at the clinic I work at.
It makes me die a little inside, like I understand that it may be a thankless job, but villainized??
Like my clinic has been bombarded this holiday and my coworkers are getting sick or being exposed to COVID. People are complaining about the wait and how much their bill costs and why can't they come in for an emergency for their dog with skin issues?!?!?!
People are saying the holidays are a tough time for them financially, but what about us? We need to be paid, I need to pay for my own things.
I really love the career and I really love the people in the career, I understand clients can be thankless, but their pets being happy is fine for me and at the end of the day knowing I did the best I could is something I try to do.
Anyways I know this isn't the first rant like this but sisters I am just screaming internally constantly about this like this field is a **** show rn
 
LunaSK said:
GUYS
ok so I know I should take it with a grain of salt and tik tok is a toxic place yada yada but I see multiple people on tik tok or the internet begging for people to donate to their gofundme for their sick pets which I understand but OMYGODDD THE COMMENTS.
From "vets are charging to high prices", "vets only care about money", "vets only want to put down your animals", "your student loans are not our problem **** you", " you should do more charity you guys can sink the cost". And this attitude not only prevails on the app/internet , but I see it irl at the clinic I work at.
It makes me die a little inside, like I understand that it may be a thankless job, but villainized??
Like my clinic has been bombarded this holiday and my coworkers are getting sick or being exposed to COVID. People are complaining about the wait and how much their bill costs and why can't they come in for an emergency for their dog with skin issues?!?!?!
People are saying the holidays are a tough time for them financially, but what about us? We need to be paid, I need to pay for my own things.
I really love the career and I really love the people in the career, I understand clients can be thankless, but their pets being happy is fine for me and at the end of the day knowing I did the best I could is something I try to do.
Anyways I know this isn't the first rant like this but sisters I am just screaming internally constantly about this like this field is a **** show rn
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It has been going this direction for years, it will continue to get worse. And, honestly, I can't blame some of these clients for being frustrated. I've seen vet estimates in the $5-10k or more region. And I get it, we deserve to be paid better across the board: vets, techs, receptionists, etc. But we're pricing ourselves out of business. I know veterinarians that can't afford to dump $7k on their pet. And certainly most vet techs/receptionists can't either. So we're at this crossroads where we deserve (and now need due to student loans) to be paid more, but our clientele isn't quite there where they can afford it. Pet insurance isn't that prevalent (and the current model doesn't work well when you need to wait on reimbursement) and most other people really don't make enough money to have $7k lying around when their dog gets ill. Some people say save what you'd spend monthly on insurance but it takes time to build up to $7k, so say insurance would cost $70/month, it would take 8.33 years to get to $7k and that's not helpful if you're 1 year old dog has a foreign body, IMHA, gets bit by a snake, etc.

We're really in a rock and a hard place and our clients are going to be frustrated. It is demoralizing to hear it constantly, so my advice is... don't read it. Just don't go reading comments. It isn't worth your sanity. You'll hear enough of the complaints at work, try to avoid reading them on social media. Do your bomb ass job at work, then shake it off, go home and don't read vet med stuff, especially the comments.
 
DVMDream said:
is demoralizing to hear it constantly, so my advice is... don't read it. Just don't go reading comments
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This. It's hard at first but it is the only way to survive. That, and I stay off veterinary tik Tok in favor of cute animal tik tok among other things
 
For real, most vet videos on tiktok get giant and immediate swipe to move on from me. I don’t want to think about work when I’m not at work. That’s why I unfollowed all the vet groups on Facebook too. I’m still in them and can browse when I want but I’m not bombarded with vet stuff when I’m supposed to be relaxing and wasting mindless time.

Also specifically in regards to tiktok, don’t forget that the more videos like that you watch through to the end and read comments of and view profiles for, the more of that type of content you’ll be presented with by their algorithm. So if it’s causing you anxiety or stress or whatever make sure not to engage with it.
 
JaynaAli said:
Also specifically in regards to tiktok, don’t forget that the more videos like that you watch through to the end and read comments of and view profiles for, the more of that type of content you’ll be presented with by their algorithm. So if it’s causing you anxiety or stress or whatever make sure not to engage with it.
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This is probably why my TikTok is almost exclusively mental health memes and people hunting for sea glass in an entertaining manner
 
JaynaAli said:
For real, most vet videos on tiktok get giant and immediate swipe to move on from me. I don’t want to think about work when I’m not at work. That’s why I unfollowed all the vet groups on Facebook too. I’m still in them and can browse when I want but I’m not bombarded with vet stuff when I’m supposed to be relaxing and wasting mindless time.

Also specifically in regards to tiktok, don’t forget that the more videos like that you watch through to the end and read comments of and view profiles for, the more of that type of content you’ll be presented with by their algorithm. So if it’s causing you anxiety or stress or whatever make sure not to engage with it.
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I've also unfollowed all but 2 of the vet groups. (The one I admin I can't unfollow). And one other that actually makes me happy. The rest I browse when I feel like it but don't get bombarded by posts in my feed anymore. Definitely has helped my sanity.
 
DVMDream said:
I've also unfollowed all but 2 of the vet groups. (The one I admin I can't unfollow). And one other that actually makes me happy. The rest I browse when I feel like it but don't get bombarded by posts in my feed anymore. Definitely has helped my sanity.
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The one you admin is one of my favorites though! I've gotten lots of good recipes off that group
 
I'm gonna say the small animal ethical dilemma is why I went food animal medicine ( dabble in equine and charity small animal l). I agree with the other poster it's a rock and a hard place. I feel like If we had better support financially as students and better pay off options it'd be great but we are not human medicine....
 
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