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Was a post on the front page of VIN just a couple days ago with elevated liver enzymes that rose then fell once off apoquel... we monitor every 6-12m our long-term apoquel patients and I can't say I've seen it yet.

I'll have to look for that. Like I said, I was taught it was a thing so I am all for monitoring. I listed it as a differential once for a dog on long term Apoquel and was given crap for it so I've been trying to find a paper or other supporting evidence.
 
Yeah, I think they rebranded it as cytopoint once it hit the market.

Yup. Cytopoint = CADI. It's been called .... a few different things. My understanding is Cytopoint is the 'final' brand name for the market.

CADI = Canine Atopic Dermatitis Immunotherapeutic ... which is a great 'name' for us as veterinarians, but not such a great name for owners.
 
Has anyone here had to decide between their dream school (that is more $$), versus their IS school (which is dirt cheap in comparison)?
I know plenty of people have made some really great points about loans and interest, and that's what I keep telling myself, but I still can't help feeling like I'm selling out my dream.

Okay here's the deal. My two schools: A&M (in-state) and RVC (dream school). A&M is an awesome school, in fact I really enjoyed the facilities and the professors and students seemed nice! However, my biggest issue is with College Station, where A&M is located. It is a very small town that completely lacks in diversity. When I went for my interview, nearly every place I went to, my family and I were basically the only poc in the room. I grew up and even went to undergrad in very diverse areas, so this is a new and uncomfortable experience for me. Combining that with the disturbing stories of racism I've heard about the town along with the number of MAGA hats/bumper stickers I've seen... I'm just a little scared tbh. Plus, I'm worried I'll literally have to drive to Houston or Austin just to get any ethnic groceries.
Another issue is that my family is really, really pressuring me to go to A&M. My parents were ridiculously controlling during my childhood up until even college, and they've strongly implied that if I get into A&M, they're literally going to move to College Station. This is super frustrating for me, because I want vet school to be the time of my life where I get to break free and grow as a person. I don't think that will be possible if my parents are constantly spying on me (and they will be, 100%). They all but eliminates my chances of having a social life (especially a SO, which my parents have never allowed me to have).

Meanwhile, RVC is located in London, an area I would love to live in as an adult. I am a UK citizen, so I don't have to worry about visas. Diversity is also a non-issue, and I will literally always have the time to explore, if I so choose (RVC is basically a self-paced school). RVC is an extremely respectable school as well, and I really liked the way they've structured their curriculum. The (huge) downside is that RVC costs almost twice as much as A&M (40k versus 23k). I'll probably be paying off those loans until I'm 60. I'll also be unable to bring my dogs with me my first year, and my pit bull will be unable to come with me at all, because of BSL. My parents love my dogs however, so they're more than willing to take care of them, I'll just really miss them both.

ANYWAY I know I'm the only person who can decide which school to go to, but I am really stressing myself out about my decision. 🙁
 
Has anyone here had to decide between their dream school (that is more $$), versus their IS school (which is dirt cheap in comparison)?
I know plenty of people have made some really great points about loans and interest, and that's what I keep telling myself, but I still can't help feeling like I'm selling out my dream.

Okay here's the deal. My two schools: A&M (in-state) and RVC (dream school). A&M is an awesome school, in fact I really enjoyed the facilities and the professors and students seemed nice! However, my biggest issue is with College Station, where A&M is located. It is a very small town that completely lacks in diversity. When I went for my interview, nearly every place I went to, my family and I were basically the only poc in the room. I grew up and even went to undergrad in very diverse areas, so this is a new and uncomfortable experience for me. Combining that with the disturbing stories of racism I've heard about the town along with the number of MAGA hats/bumper stickers I've seen... I'm just a little scared tbh. Plus, I'm worried I'll literally have to drive to Houston or Austin just to get any ethnic groceries.
Another issue is that my family is really, really pressuring me to go to A&M. My parents were ridiculously controlling during my childhood up until even college, and they've strongly implied that if I get into A&M, they're literally going to move to College Station. This is super frustrating for me, because I want vet school to be the time of my life where I get to break free and grow as a person. I don't think that will be possible if my parents are constantly spying on me (and they will be, 100%). They all but eliminates my chances of having a social life (especially a SO, which my parents have never allowed me to have).

Meanwhile, RVC is located in London, an area I would love to live in as an adult. I am a UK citizen, so I don't have to worry about visas. Diversity is also a non-issue, and I will literally always have the time to explore, if I so choose (RVC is basically a self-paced school). RVC is an extremely respectable school as well, and I really liked the way they've structured their curriculum. The (huge) downside is that RVC costs almost twice as much as A&M (40k versus 23k). I'll probably be paying off those loans until I'm 60. I'll also be unable to bring my dogs with me my first year, and my pit bull will be unable to come with me at all, because of BSL. My parents love my dogs however, so they're more than willing to take care of them, I'll just really miss them both.

ANYWAY I know I'm the only person who can decide which school to go to, but I am really stressing myself out about my decision. 🙁
As someone who begrudgingly picked their IS over their "dream" school, I have to say three years later I am as happy as a vet student could be 🙂. Every school is going to allow you to graduate with a great education as well.

However, it seems that most of your reluctance is family based... and this is super tough and I'm really sorry you are in this spot. Honestly... have you thought about breaking away or putting your foot down with your family (I know, I know, easier said than done 🙁)? I feel like even if you are 1000 miles away if your family wants to spy or be in the middle of your business they will be....Do they realize what they are doing, or how you feel about it? I'm really sorry you are going through this it is a tough place to be in 🙁
 
Has anyone here had to decide between their dream school (that is more $$), versus their IS school (which is dirt cheap in comparison)?
I know plenty of people have made some really great points about loans and interest, and that's what I keep telling myself, but I still can't help feeling like I'm selling out my dream.

From my perspective as someone looking backwards on vet school, I honestly don't think there is a real choice to make. If your IS is significantly cheaper, it's a no-brainer to go there.

Just my opinion..... but the odds are incredibly high that future you will be very, very mad at current you if you opt for the 'dream school'.

Remember, your dream is being a vet. Not going to school X.
 
As someone who begrudgingly picked their IS over their "dream" school, I have to say three years later I am as happy as a vet student could be 🙂. Every school is going to allow you to graduate with a great education as well.

However, it seems that most of your reluctance is family based... and this is super tough and I'm really sorry you are in this spot. Honestly... have you thought about breaking away or putting your foot down with your family (I know, I know, easier said than done 🙁)? I feel like even if you are 1000 miles away if your family wants to spy or be in the middle of your business they will be....Do they realize what they are doing, or how you feel about it? I'm really sorry you are going through this it is a tough place to be in 🙁
Actually, my parents initially wanted me to live with them in College Station, and I did put my foot down for that. This is them "compromising." I'm going to try talking with them again, maybe I'll talk sense into them.

From my perspective as someone looking backwards on vet school, I honestly don't think there is a real choice to make. If your IS is significantly cheaper, it's a no-brainer to go there.

Just my opinion..... but the odds are incredibly high that future you will be very, very mad at current you if you opt for the 'dream school'.

Remember, your dream is being a vet. Not going to school X.
Yes, you make a great point! My dream is to be a vet, and at the end of the day, I'll only have to deal with vet school for 4 years.
 
Has anyone here had to decide between their dream school (that is more $$), versus their IS school (which is dirt cheap in comparison)?
I know plenty of people have made some really great points about loans and interest, and that's what I keep telling myself, but I still can't help feeling like I'm selling out my dream.

Okay here's the deal. My two schools: A&M (in-state) and RVC (dream school). A&M is an awesome school, in fact I really enjoyed the facilities and the professors and students seemed nice! However, my biggest issue is with College Station, where A&M is located. It is a very small town that completely lacks in diversity. When I went for my interview, nearly every place I went to, my family and I were basically the only poc in the room. I grew up and even went to undergrad in very diverse areas, so this is a new and uncomfortable experience for me. Combining that with the disturbing stories of racism I've heard about the town along with the number of MAGA hats/bumper stickers I've seen... I'm just a little scared tbh. Plus, I'm worried I'll literally have to drive to Houston or Austin just to get any ethnic groceries.
Another issue is that my family is really, really pressuring me to go to A&M. My parents were ridiculously controlling during my childhood up until even college, and they've strongly implied that if I get into A&M, they're literally going to move to College Station. This is super frustrating for me, because I want vet school to be the time of my life where I get to break free and grow as a person. I don't think that will be possible if my parents are constantly spying on me (and they will be, 100%). They all but eliminates my chances of having a social life (especially a SO, which my parents have never allowed me to have).

Meanwhile, RVC is located in London, an area I would love to live in as an adult. I am a UK citizen, so I don't have to worry about visas. Diversity is also a non-issue, and I will literally always have the time to explore, if I so choose (RVC is basically a self-paced school). RVC is an extremely respectable school as well, and I really liked the way they've structured their curriculum. The (huge) downside is that RVC costs almost twice as much as A&M (40k versus 23k). I'll probably be paying off those loans until I'm 60. I'll also be unable to bring my dogs with me my first year, and my pit bull will be unable to come with me at all, because of BSL. My parents love my dogs however, so they're more than willing to take care of them, I'll just really miss them both.

ANYWAY I know I'm the only person who can decide which school to go to, but I am really stressing myself out about my decision. 🙁


I'm sorry, that sounds like a really tough decision.

If it were me, I'd probably choose RVC. Personally, it would drive me insane to have to manage controlling parents while managing school. You're going to need a support system, and so parents can be good for that, but they can also be a drain on the support system if they get overbearing.

I may be letting my own desire to go to RVC cloud my judgement here...If I could have convinced my husband, I 100% would have applied to RVC. It's a great school, and London is the bee's knees.

Isn't RVC the only school that's accredited with every veterinary association? I would think that might open up some additional opportunities.

This is not to say A&M isn't a great school -- it really is, and I'm sure that school-wise you'd get a top notch education there. But personal happiness and quality of life is really, really important, and I assign a higher dollar value to that than some people might.

Or, just scrap these schools and come with me to Tufts where IS tuition is just as crushingly expensive as OOS tuition 😉

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Has anyone here had to decide between their dream school (that is more $$), versus their IS school (which is dirt cheap in comparison)?
I know plenty of people have made some really great points about loans and interest, and that's what I keep telling myself, but I still can't help feeling like I'm selling out my dream.

Okay here's the deal. My two schools: A&M (in-state) and RVC (dream school). A&M is an awesome school, in fact I really enjoyed the facilities and the professors and students seemed nice! However, my biggest issue is with College Station, where A&M is located. It is a very small town that completely lacks in diversity. When I went for my interview, nearly every place I went to, my family and I were basically the only poc in the room. I grew up and even went to undergrad in very diverse areas, so this is a new and uncomfortable experience for me. Combining that with the disturbing stories of racism I've heard about the town along with the number of MAGA hats/bumper stickers I've seen... I'm just a little scared tbh. Plus, I'm worried I'll literally have to drive to Houston or Austin just to get any ethnic groceries.
Another issue is that my family is really, really pressuring me to go to A&M. My parents were ridiculously controlling during my childhood up until even college, and they've strongly implied that if I get into A&M, they're literally going to move to College Station. This is super frustrating for me, because I want vet school to be the time of my life where I get to break free and grow as a person. I don't think that will be possible if my parents are constantly spying on me (and they will be, 100%). They all but eliminates my chances of having a social life (especially a SO, which my parents have never allowed me to have).

Meanwhile, RVC is located in London, an area I would love to live in as an adult. I am a UK citizen, so I don't have to worry about visas. Diversity is also a non-issue, and I will literally always have the time to explore, if I so choose (RVC is basically a self-paced school). RVC is an extremely respectable school as well, and I really liked the way they've structured their curriculum. The (huge) downside is that RVC costs almost twice as much as A&M (40k versus 23k). I'll probably be paying off those loans until I'm 60. I'll also be unable to bring my dogs with me my first year, and my pit bull will be unable to come with me at all, because of BSL. My parents love my dogs however, so they're more than willing to take care of them, I'll just really miss them both.

ANYWAY I know I'm the only person who can decide which school to go to, but I am really stressing myself out about my decision. 🙁

Cost of living for RVC will be much more than Texas. Be sure to factor that in, as well as the hassle of an international move and all the flights.

If you really, really wanted to go to RVC, you could consider moving to the UK and working for 3 years so you can get home student fees since you're a UK citizen. But who knows how much home student fees will be then and you'd have to reapply to RVC (I highly doubt they would let you defer that long). Honestly, it's a much better idea to go to Texas. You could always pick up and move to the UK after graduation. It's not difficult to get RCVS registered in the UK with an American vet degree, the visa would be the difficult part and that's a non-issue for you. I think you should just go to Texas and find a way to deal with your parents for 4 more years.
 
Has anyone here had to decide between their dream school (that is more $$), versus their IS school (which is dirt cheap in comparison)?
I know plenty of people have made some really great points about loans and interest, and that's what I keep telling myself, but I still can't help feeling like I'm selling out my dream.

Okay here's the deal. My two schools: A&M (in-state) and RVC (dream school). A&M is an awesome school, in fact I really enjoyed the facilities and the professors and students seemed nice! However, my biggest issue is with College Station, where A&M is located. It is a very small town that completely lacks in diversity. When I went for my interview, nearly every place I went to, my family and I were basically the only poc in the room. I grew up and even went to undergrad in very diverse areas, so this is a new and uncomfortable experience for me. Combining that with the disturbing stories of racism I've heard about the town along with the number of MAGA hats/bumper stickers I've seen... I'm just a little scared tbh. Plus, I'm worried I'll literally have to drive to Houston or Austin just to get any ethnic groceries.
Another issue is that my family is really, really pressuring me to go to A&M. My parents were ridiculously controlling during my childhood up until even college, and they've strongly implied that if I get into A&M, they're literally going to move to College Station. This is super frustrating for me, because I want vet school to be the time of my life where I get to break free and grow as a person. I don't think that will be possible if my parents are constantly spying on me (and they will be, 100%). They all but eliminates my chances of having a social life (especially a SO, which my parents have never allowed me to have).

Meanwhile, RVC is located in London, an area I would love to live in as an adult. I am a UK citizen, so I don't have to worry about visas. Diversity is also a non-issue, and I will literally always have the time to explore, if I so choose (RVC is basically a self-paced school). RVC is an extremely respectable school as well, and I really liked the way they've structured their curriculum. The (huge) downside is that RVC costs almost twice as much as A&M (40k versus 23k). I'll probably be paying off those loans until I'm 60. I'll also be unable to bring my dogs with me my first year, and my pit bull will be unable to come with me at all, because of BSL. My parents love my dogs however, so they're more than willing to take care of them, I'll just really miss them both.

ANYWAY I know I'm the only person who can decide which school to go to, but I am really stressing myself out about my decision. 🙁
Another vote for IS. It's just 4 years, you can do it, and then you can move far far away if you'd like. Maybe even tell your parents that you are an adult and you see vet school as the start of your adult life and that means not being under their constant watch, and that you are even considering going to RVC just so they won't follow you. Maybe that will help them see how serious you are. Let them know you will go to A&M, but they can't follow you there.
 
Thanks for all the advice everyone. I think I'm going to wait and see if (long shot) I'll get a full ride scholarship to RVC. If I don't get it, I'll go to A&M.
 
Dumb question here, but if you have UK citizenship shouldn't school be cheaper there? I recall med school etc being a great deal cheaper than my US schooling when I studied in Newcastle for a year. I feel like my ex was paying ~9k GBP/semester for med school.
 
Dumb question here, but if you have UK citizenship shouldn't school be cheaper there? I recall med school etc being a great deal cheaper than my US schooling when I studied in Newcastle for a year. I feel like my ex was paying ~9k GBP/semester for med school.
Don't worry, I thought the same thing! You actually need to be a citizen AND be a resident for 5 years before you can get the UK resident tuition. It's a little bit more complicated than that, but that's the gist of it it, basically.
 
Thanks for all the advice everyone. I think I'm going to wait and see if (long shot) I'll get a full ride scholarship to RVC. If I don't get it, I'll go to A&M.
Also another dumb question - but I thought A&M can't accept international students due to legal issues? Are you a dual citizen?

I'm sorry about your situation too, I'm also kind of worried about racism in College Station tbh, I grew up in a very ethnic part of Los Angeles so moving to Texas during high school was a huge shocker for me. You go to UT though, right? I know they're fairly liberal there. I go to Baylor, so I guess I've had some "training" over the past four years on how to act more conservative. I've had to deal with some pretty ignorant people lol, I'm just hoping that professional school students at A&M will be a lot more culturally aware and polite than undergrads.
 
Got apoquel for my dog! Unfortunately, they gave me a 45 day supply and just told me how to do a tapering dose for those 45 days even though I asked about just using it for acute pruritus. I thought that there was some kind of week or two week dosing protocol that people were using? Regardless, I never actually met my dog and the tech just ordered it and wrote the script so I guess I'll be turning to VIN and figure it out on my own. Now my poor dog is wandering around the house periodically getting lost and crying while she works through her drunkenness.
 
Also another dumb question - but I thought A&M can't accept international students due to legal issues? Are you a dual citizen?

I'm sorry about your situation too, I'm also kind of worried about racism in College Station tbh, I grew up in a very ethnic part of Los Angeles so moving to Texas during high school was a huge shocker for me. You go to UT though, right? I know they're fairly liberal there. I go to Baylor, so I guess I've had some "training" over the past four years on how to act more conservative. I've had to deal with some pretty ignorant people lol, I'm just hoping that professional school students at A&M will be a lot more culturally aware and polite than undergrads.
Yup, I'm a dual citizen! I was naturalized back in 2012, but I've lived in Texas for a good chunk of my life. The citizenship process in the US just takes a while. The school system in the US works so that as long as you have a visa, and have permanent residency, you can still attend an IS school and still get IS tuition.

Yeah, I went to UT for undergrad, and it completely spoiled me! The food isn't nearly as good as Houston's and the traffic sucks, but other than that it's perfect! And man, LA to Texas definitely sounds like a huge change. The only thing similar is the weather tbh and even then Texas weather is 100000x more inconsistent

Have you also decided on going to A&M, then? I remember you debating going OOS to Kansas!
 
Yup, I'm a dual citizen! I was naturalized back in 2012, but I've lived in Texas for a good chunk of my life. The citizenship process in the US just takes a while. The school system in the US works so that as long as you have a visa, and have permanent residency, you can still attend an IS school and still get IS tuition.

Yeah, I went to UT for undergrad, and it completely spoiled me! The food isn't nearly as good as Houston's and the traffic sucks, but other than that it's perfect! And man, LA to Texas definitely sounds like a huge change. The only thing similar is the weather tbh and even then Texas weather is 100000x more inconsistent

Have you also decided on going to A&M, then? I remember you debating going OOS to Kansas!
That's nice! I remember being a little bit shocked that it was somehow legally impossible for international students to apply to A&M. Do you visit the UK often??

It was definitely a huge change - I only had two caucasian classmates at my elementary school in LA and they were twins, so you can imagine my surprise when I ended up being a minority here! The food in California is tons better too, but Houston definitely has a good sampling of asian food I can appreciate 🙂

I think I've decided on A&M for the time being, unless I get pulled off the waitlist at Tufts or UGA. I love city-life, so I just didn't know if I could really stand being in rural Kansas. At least Austin and Houston are close to College Station! And IS tuition is definitely a huge bonus. Maybe we'll end up classmates in the fall!
 
Also another dumb question - but I thought A&M can't accept international students due to legal issues? Are you a dual citizen?

I'm sorry about your situation too, I'm also kind of worried about racism in College Station tbh, I grew up in a very ethnic part of Los Angeles so moving to Texas during high school was a huge shocker for me. You go to UT though, right? I know they're fairly liberal there. I go to Baylor, so I guess I've had some "training" over the past four years on how to act more conservative. I've had to deal with some pretty ignorant people lol, I'm just hoping that professional school students at A&M will be a lot more culturally aware and polite than undergrads.
For a second I thought you meant that Baylor officially gave you training on how to be more conservative. I was thinking that's the LAST thing Baylor needs- for people to be even more conservative. :laugh:
 
For a second I thought you meant that Baylor officially gave you training on how to be more conservative. I was thinking that's the LAST thing Baylor needs- for people to be even more conservative. :laugh:
LOL I mean I had to take two mandatory semesters of chapel, so I suppose that counts as training
 
Basically hahaha. My best friend goes to ACU and has chapel every semester. Nope nope nope.
I thought two semesters was bad, but every semester?? We had chapel monitors that made sure we weren't taking naps or doing homework. Was a fairly awkward experience for me because I'm not religious at all and actually have had no experience with Christianity prior to Baylor.
 
I thought two semesters was bad, but every semester?? We had chapel monitors that made sure we weren't taking naps or doing homework. Was a fairly awkward experience for me because I'm not religious at all and actually have had no experience with Christianity prior to Baylor.
Oh that's rough. I went to OkState for undergrad and while we didn't have religious/ conservative training, we all had farm training- even the pre meds.
 
That's nice! I remember being a little bit shocked that it was somehow legally impossible for international students to apply to A&M. Do you visit the UK often??

It was definitely a huge change - I only had two caucasian classmates at my elementary school in LA and they were twins, so you can imagine my surprise when I ended up being a minority here! The food in California is tons better too, but Houston definitely has a good sampling of asian food I can appreciate 🙂

I think I've decided on A&M for the time being, unless I get pulled off the waitlist at Tufts or UGA. I love city-life, so I just didn't know if I could really stand being in rural Kansas. At least Austin and Houston are close to College Station! And IS tuition is definitely a huge bonus. Maybe we'll end up classmates in the fall!
I've visited England a few times since, but plane tickets are so expensive that it's not a very realistic vacation lol I'll admit that it's partly why I idolize RVC so much!

I always thought Houston's food is the holy grail of Texas lmao but I realize that it's prolly crap compared to what you can get in LA

Yes, being classmates together will be awesome, but I do hope you get in to the school you really want to go! 🙂 Waitlists are a mixed blessing tho I mean dang it's great to still have a shot, but you're basically stuck in limbo!

edit: What the heck, mandatory Chapel studies in college?? Texas just out-Texas'd itself
 
I've visited England a few times since, but plane tickets are so expensive that it's not a very realistic vacation lol I'll admit that it's partly why I idolize RVC so much!

I always thought Houston's food is the holy grail of Texas lmao but I realize that it's prolly crap compared to what you can get in LA

Yes, being classmates together will be awesome, but I do hope you get in to the school you really want to go! 🙂 Waitlists are a mixed blessing tho I mean dang it's great to still have a shot, but you're basically stuck in limbo!

edit: What the heck, mandatory Chapel studies in college?? Texas just out-Texas'd itself
Welcome to the Bible Belt!
 
You want bible belt, try somewhere like Oral Roberts University. I'm pretty sure you are required to take a certain number of bible study classes along with any major, and I'm also pretty sure they make you pay for those classes (that you wouldn't even be taking at say, OSU, OU, or TU). They also make you live on campus. I drive past there and uh, there's like a McAlister's not far away, and a Zio's, and a trashy Wal-Mart you could walk to...

Anyway. That's a bit off-topic. But yeah.
 
You want bible belt, try somewhere like Oral Roberts University. I'm pretty sure you are required to take a certain number of bible study classes along with any major, and I'm also pretty sure they make you pay for those classes (that you wouldn't even be taking at say, OSU, OU, or TU). They also make you live on campus. I drive past there and uh, there's like a McAlister's not far away, and a Zio's, and a trashy Wal-Mart you could walk to...

Anyway. That's a bit off-topic. But yeah.

I was interested by this post, so I looked up the school. They apparently have a Leisure Science major...It's offered by their College of Science and Engineering. New one to me.

Wondering how they handled science majors at this school, here's the blurb on their Biology Major:

"The program integrates biblical faith with the study of the biological sciences providing an educationally and biblically sound perspective enabling students to interact with, understand and positively respond to scientific challenges. At ORU a vocation in biology is seen as a God-ordained calling into the study of the wonders of His creation." ...As a nonreligious person, I find this widely fascinating.
 
You want bible belt, try somewhere like Oral Roberts University. I'm pretty sure you are required to take a certain number of bible study classes along with any major, and I'm also pretty sure they make you pay for those classes (that you wouldn't even be taking at say, OSU, OU, or TU). They also make you live on campus. I drive past there and uh, there's like a McAlister's not far away, and a Zio's, and a trashy Wal-Mart you could walk to...

Anyway. That's a bit off-topic. But yeah.
I had no idea Oral Roberts even existed until I attended a biology research convention and they had TONS of students doing presentations. It was pretty surprising. @epivetlove They actually have some interesting research going on.

We're also required to take two semesters of Christian studies along with the two semesters of chapel here at Baylor, but it's a private Baptist university so that's understandable. It's kind of an interesting dynamic - no alcohol is allowed on campus at all, LGBT student orgs are not allowed, pre-marital sex is listed as a violation of student conduct, and scavenger hunts are labelled as "hazing" for sororities and frats (frats still beat the crap out of their pledges regardless). Yet, you'd think with all this need for purity and piousness, something like our massive sexual assault scandal would have been avoided...

But aside from administration, I actually really like my professors and the science departments. I stay in my little bubble at the science building and I'm pretty content.
 
I was interested by this post, so I looked up the school. They apparently have a Leisure Science major...It's offered by their College of Science and Engineering. New one to me.

Wondering how they handled science majors at this school, here's the blurb on their Biology Major:

"The program integrates biblical faith with the study of the biological sciences providing an educationally and biblically sound perspective enabling students to interact with, understand and positively respond to scientific challenges. At ORU a vocation in biology is seen as a God-ordained calling into the study of the wonders of His creation." ...As a nonreligious person, I find this widely fascinating.
What in the world is leisure science????
 
You want bible belt, try somewhere like Oral Roberts University. I'm pretty sure you are required to take a certain number of bible study classes along with any major, and I'm also pretty sure they make you pay for those classes (that you wouldn't even be taking at say, OSU, OU, or TU). They also make you live on campus. I drive past there and uh, there's like a McAlister's not far away, and a Zio's, and a trashy Wal-Mart you could walk to...

Anyway. That's a bit off-topic. But yeah.
There's also a giant statue of praying hands on their campus, it's pretty weird. My high school graduation was in the arena on ORU's campus. I think I know maybe two people that went to ORU, but I don't really talk to them anymore...
 
Just had a DoA at the end of the day. Guy was driving home from work and hit his own dog with his car. Both the wife and husband were sobbing uncontrollably -- I'm surprised they even made it over here. Dog was a German shepherd who was deeply attached to the owners. Obviously we did not say this to the owners, but the vet on duty said it was probably a very painful death.

I don't know how you get back into your car ever again after something like that. I can't even imagine the guilt.

Even worse, the other tech (who is usually a wonderful, empathetic person -- I don't know what possessed her to do this) decides to help the owner carry his dead dog out of the car, and she led him right to the back room (ie directly to the freezer) before I could flag her down and stop her. Owner didn't need to have that image on top of the one that I'm sure is going to be with him forever.

Ugh.
 
What in the world is leisure science????
According to Wikipedia "Leisure studies is a branch of the social sciences that focuses on understanding and analyzing leisure. Recreation and tourism are common topics of leisure research.

The National Recreation and Park Association is the national organization in the United States for leisure studies, and offers accreditation to many universities to offer courses of study (degree programs) in leisure studies.

The Journal of Leisure Research[1] and Journal of Park and Recreation Administration are some[2] scholarly US academic journals of leisure studies.

Leisure studies is a strong major for individuals who value working with a wide variety of people including children, the elderly, and the disabled.[3] Those pursuing this major will often be in situations where they have to motivate others, so it is important that they are creative, hard-working, in good health, and possess leadership skills. [4]"
 
Just had a DoA at the end of the day. Guy was driving home from work and hit his own dog with his car. Both the wife and husband were sobbing uncontrollably -- I'm surprised they even made it over here. Dog was a German shepherd who was deeply attached to the owners. Obviously we did not say this to the owners, but the vet on duty said it was probably a very painful death.

I don't know how you get back into your car ever again after something like that. I can't even imagine the guilt.

Even worse, the other tech (who is usually a wonderful, empathetic person -- I don't know what possessed her to do this) decides to help the owner carry his dead dog out of the car, and she led him right to the back room (ie directly to the freezer) before I could flag her down and stop her. Owner didn't need to have that image on top of the one that I'm sure is going to be with him forever.

Ugh.
I think well over half the HBC dogs I see are run over by their owners, and I can't even imagine the guilt. I feel bad when I step on my cats' freaking paw, ha.
 
I'd kinda like to hear from you GP-ish types a Cytopoint vs Apoquel read-out.

still in the first month of availability but we're having really good results. Better than apoquel.

but my understanding is that it shouldn't work for certain types of pruritus whereas apoquel should
 
I think well over half the HBC dogs I see are run over by their owners, and I can't even imagine the guilt. I feel bad when I step on my cats' freaking paw, ha.

My dad accidentally ran over our cat when I was young. We lived in super rural Delaware and our cats were indoor/outdoor (different from the cat owner I am today but I didn't know any different as a child). Knowing how animal-obsessed his daughter was, it was devastating for him to tell me what happened. 🙁
 
Or it's the science of being leisurely in which case I'll be waiting for my honorary doctorate
I was thinking this. Was wanting an honorary degree too.
I'm just hoping Leisure Suits aren't required.
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Just had a DoA at the end of the day. Guy was driving home from work and hit his own dog with his car. Both the wife and husband were sobbing uncontrollably -- I'm surprised they even made it over here. Dog was a German shepherd who was deeply attached to the owners. Obviously we did not say this to the owners, but the vet on duty said it was probably a very painful death.

I don't know how you get back into your car ever again after something like that. I can't even imagine the guilt.

Even worse, the other tech (who is usually a wonderful, empathetic person -- I don't know what possessed her to do this) decides to help the owner carry his dead dog out of the car, and she led him right to the back room (ie directly to the freezer) before I could flag her down and stop her. Owner didn't need to have that image on top of the one that I'm sure is going to be with him forever.

Ugh.
One of the doctors I worked with in the past ran over his own dog. He was coming home and his jerk/super dominant gsd body checked his australian shepherd under the back tire. Crushed his pelvis, but didn't kill him. He tried to fix him himself, but during surgery number 3 he degloved and called his wife. The dog didn't wake up from that surgery. A few months later a client had a similar situation. They came in and he referred them out because he knew he couldn't fix their dog either. The specialists recommended euthanasia. The doctor I worked with felt somewhat vindicated knowing a specialist couldn't fix it either, and our client felt slightly better knowing it happens to other people too.

I can't imagine. It's really sad, but like trilt said, it's not uncommon.
 
Government-funded paychecks suck sometimes. I started this PT job in late January, it's now March, and I'm still 1-2 weeks away from receiving my first paycheck. So that's fun.
 
Government-funded paychecks suck sometimes. I started this PT job in late January, it's now March, and I'm still 1-2 weeks away from receiving my first paycheck. So that's fun.

What kind of pay schedule are you on?

Ohio state employees are on biweekly delayed so you have to wait four weeks for your first check which has always sucked.
 
What kind of pay schedule are you on?

Ohio state employees are on biweekly delayed so you have to wait four weeks for your first check which has always sucked.
I don't know what the pay schedule's supposed to be, actually. I'm a caregiver and I'm paid with government grant money. I submit my timesheets online whenever I want (but it took forever for them to set up my access to the timesheets, and now it's supposedly going to take forever to get my first check). I was warned that they're notorious for being really slow, but damn, I didn't expect to not see any moneys until mid-March. 🙁
 
You want bible belt, try somewhere like Oral Roberts University. I'm pretty sure you are required to take a certain number of bible study classes along with any major, and I'm also pretty sure they make you pay for those classes (that you wouldn't even be taking at say, OSU, OU, or TU). They also make you live on campus. I drive past there and uh, there's like a McAlister's not far away, and a Zio's, and a trashy Wal-Mart you could walk to...

Anyway. That's a bit off-topic. But yeah.
How did I forget about Oral Roberts??? Ohhh man. I had a classmate go to ORU and she transferred as soon as possible. She's got some pretty amazing stories though.
 
Just had a DoA at the end of the day. Guy was driving home from work and hit his own dog with his car. Both the wife and husband were sobbing uncontrollably -- I'm surprised they even made it over here. Dog was a German shepherd who was deeply attached to the owners. Obviously we did not say this to the owners, but the vet on duty said it was probably a very painful death.

I don't know how you get back into your car ever again after something like that. I can't even imagine the guilt.

Even worse, the other tech (who is usually a wonderful, empathetic person -- I don't know what possessed her to do this) decides to help the owner carry his dead dog out of the car, and she led him right to the back room (ie directly to the freezer) before I could flag her down and stop her. Owner didn't need to have that image on top of the one that I'm sure is going to be with him forever.

Ugh.
Those are the things that stick with you hard. When I was a kid, my 12y/o lab/ golden mix with arthritis got out of the fence because the electric company left the gate unlatched. We were walking around looking for her, and we found her across a relatively busy street. Me, being the excited ~7 year old year old I was, I shouted out "look momma! There's Star!" Mom was trying to get Dad to move the car so we could grab her. Star looked up, was excited to see us/ hear me, and came hobbling across the street when she was hit by a car <20 feet away from me. Car was going ~35 mph. That's one image, and one sound I'll never ever be able to get out of my head, this many years later. I'm really sympathetic about HBCs, I can't imagine how I'd feel if that happened because of me.
 
How did I forget about Oral Roberts??? Ohhh man. I had a classmate go to ORU and she transferred as soon as possible. She's got some pretty amazing stories though.

I live like... close enough that I could see it, except for there is a hill in the way. I can see the business towers from a window at work. So it's close.

There's also a giant statue of praying hands on their campus, it's pretty weird. My high school graduation was in the arena on ORU's campus. I think I know maybe two people that went to ORU, but I don't really talk to them anymore...

My husband's grandma liked to tell a joke about the praying hands statue. They are supposed to be molds of his hands. So, she joked that they had the two hands laying down in the dirt and they weren't sure how to get them to come together and stand up for the statue. So one of the engineers dangled some money in the air, and glomp! the hands wen't straight together around the money.

It's funny coming from an old lady.

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Just had a DoA at the end of the day. Guy was driving home from work and hit his own dog with his car. Both the wife and husband were sobbing uncontrollably -- I'm surprised they even made it over here. Dog was a German shepherd who was deeply attached to the owners. Obviously we did not say this to the owners, but the vet on duty said it was probably a very painful death.

I don't know how you get back into your car ever again after something like that. I can't even imagine the guilt.

Even worse, the other tech (who is usually a wonderful, empathetic person -- I don't know what possessed her to do this) decides to help the owner carry his dead dog out of the car, and she led him right to the back room (ie directly to the freezer) before I could flag her down and stop her. Owner didn't need to have that image on top of the one that I'm sure is going to be with him forever.

Ugh.
Oh this is so heartbreaking 🙁

According to Wikipedia "Leisure studies is a branch of the social sciences that focuses on understanding and analyzing leisure. Recreation and tourism are common topics of leisure research.

The National Recreation and Park Association is the national organization in the United States for leisure studies, and offers accreditation to many universities to offer courses of study (degree programs) in leisure studies.

The Journal of Leisure Research[1] and Journal of Park and Recreation Administration are some[2] scholarly US academic journals of leisure studies.

Leisure studies is a strong major for individuals who value working with a wide variety of people including children, the elderly, and the disabled.[3] Those pursuing this major will often be in situations where they have to motivate others, so it is important that they are creative, hard-working, in good health, and possess leadership skills. [4]"

All I can think is Parks & Rec 😍
 
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