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[deleted697535]

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Sweden literally has more deaths per capitalism than the United States at 139 per million vs 112 deaths per million versus the USA. Anyone saying they are doing things right is neglecting that they are doing worse than us on a per capita basis and that this is not done yet and their numbers are probably going to look FAR worse as time goes on. Mathematically the current measures have saved 8,910 lives in the brief period since this mess began versus Sweden, and we have only really been dealing with it for just over a month. That's roughly how many people die of breast cancer every three months, for scale. Just the difference in death rate would make political policy the 7th biggest cause of death behind Alzheimers and ahead of diabetes each year.

The Swedes are getting their snooty asses handed to them.
I'm glad someone decided to do that experiment. It is sad tho

 

[deleted87051]

I didn’t read the article because I assumed it was going to be dumb...especially since you pointed out how they were highlighting how this was a left vs right issue. It’s not. Anyone who suggests that is dumb. Fox News is not journalism, it’s entertainment.

The article is worth reading. The Swedes are hardly doing nothing. Only elementary schools are open. Middle school through university are closed. And many Swedes are working from home. At any other time, these would be considered severe measures. But they are laxer than most of the world.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

I didn’t read the article because I assumed it was going to be dumb...especially since you pointed out how they were highlighting how this was a left vs right issue. It’s not. Anyone who suggests that is dumb. Fox News is not journalism, it’s entertainment.

It was obvious you didn't read it because none of your outburst was relevant to anything. Stick to those solid mainstream news stations that support China's false information and China's world exporting of the virus while at the same time China domestically locked down Wuhan. They are astonishingly less upset by that than by calling it the Wuhan Virus.

Liberties and economy more intact. Average age of death 81. Still no breakdown of the system. Story far from over how it will turn out. Another interesting objective article inside Sweden and how the stats can be bent one way or the other depending on one's agenda.
#teamsweden

In Sweden, Will Voluntary Self-Isolation Work Better Than State-Enforced Lockdowns in the Long Run?

"Sweden's suffering very, very badly" according to President Donald Trump. Nope, says Denmark's former Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, who…

reason.com

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

Vector2 has won the war. We are all socialists now and the end results won't be good. Never let a crisis go to waste and that means the country surges leftward once again to its detriment.

He won a long time ago. Everyone has been a Keynesian and a Socialist for decades now; its just that it's more prominent and noticeable now and that much closer to serious badness.

 

[deleted643396]

It was obvious you didn't read it because none of your outburst was relevant to anything. Stick to those solid mainstream news stations that support China's false information and China's world exporting of the virus while at the same time China domestically locked down Wuhan. They are astonishingly less upset by that than by calling it the Wuhan Virus.

Liberties and economy more intact. Average age of death 81. Still no breakdown of the system. Story far from over how it will turn out. Another interesting objective article inside Sweden and how the stats can be bent one way or the other depending on one's agenda.
#teamsweden

In Sweden, Will Voluntary Self-Isolation Work Better Than State-Enforced Lockdowns in the Long Run?

"Sweden's suffering very, very badly" according to President Donald Trump. Nope, says Denmark's former Prime Minister Lars Løkke Rasmussen, who…

reason.com

It’s the left vs right argument that I have no tolerance for. This should be guided by science, not politics.

 

[deleted643396]

Fixed that for you.

I will give credit where credit is due. Fox News did uncover one of the biggest scandals in American history.

 

[Angus Avagadro]

Loss of low skill living wage jobs and good paying middle skill jobs and the associated loss of social mobility and increasing wealth inequality has been tremendously corrosive for American society over the last few decades. 30+ years ago you only had to do a few things right to almost guarantee not being poor. Graduate high school, don’t commit crimes, don’t abuse drugs or alcohol, don’t have a child out of wedlock and be willing to work. That was basically it. Doing those things doesn’t even get you in the game any more.


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Not completely true but these kinds of statements are just hyperbolic imo. Before Covid, there was lots of demand for trades. We just told our kids that had to go to college or they wouldn't get a decent job. My oldest son did that,college degree, 2 kids, got divorced. Got his CDL, drives a 7 axle water truck for drillers, works 60 to 70 hrs a week, and just missed making six figures last year. Worked 79 hrs just last week. We live in a Covid rich state. Where things go from here is anyones guess. Not having a police record, or a child out of wedlock is still beneficial. We all know staying off drugs is in everyone's best interest. Before Covid, good jobs were out there, like always you just had to find them, and possibly move to where they are.

 

[BLADEMDA]

 

[deleted59964]

I still think its all about the virus.
people are pricing in that there will soon be an opening up.

I think an opening up will be followed a few weeks later, by a shutting down - once the human toll hits home.

 

[BLADEMDA]

k

I still think its all about the virus.
people are pricing in that there will soon be an opening up.

I think an opening up will be followed a few weeks later, by a shutting down - once the human toll hits home.

I am not sure that is true. IMHO, the use of Remdesivir will decrease ICU admissions significantly. In addition, the elderly will likely still self-quarantine. This pandemic may not ever have a big second wave:

One third of people in Massachusetts study tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies - Sound Health and Lasting Wealth

Nearly one third of 200 Massachusetts residents were infected with antibodies linked to the novel coronavirus, according to a pilot study.Physicians at

www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com

 

[BLADEMDA]

And what about the antibody cocktail that could be a pre-vaccine?

By June we could be testing it and, once again, within a month or two, we might know, at least for certain patients, if it's safe and effective. So, by the end of the summer, we could be treating hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people.

Biotech company's chief scientific officer talks timeline for possible coronavirus treatments

"By the end of the summer, we could be treating hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people," Yancopoulos said.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[BLADEMDA]

Vir Biotechnology is adding GlaxoSmithKline to its roster of COVID-19 partners—and snagging a $250 million investment in the process. The duo will pool their resources to develop vaccines and treatments for coronaviruses, starting with two antibodies against SARS-CoV-2, the virus behind the current pandemic, which could hit phase 2 studies as early as this summer.


The pair's immediate focus will be VIR-7831 and VIR-7832, a pair of antibodies identified by Vir’s monoclonal antibody technology that bind tightly to the spike protein of the novel coronavirus. They plan to move the candidates into a phase 2 clinical trial in the next three to five months—subject to regulatory review, of course.

The deal goes beyond just the current pandemic. It includes work to identify antiviral antibodies for preventive and therapeutic use in future outbreaks as well as the COVID-19 outbreak. The partners will also combine their CRISPR screening and artificial intelligence capabilities, along with GSK’s functional genomics know-how, to pinpoint new anti-coronavirus compounds. They’re looking for targets inside cells that, if inhibited, could prevent viral infection—something Vir has done with other viruses such as influenza and hepatitis B.

GSK becomes Vir's newest partner on COVID-19 treatments, vaccines

Vir Biotechnology is adding GlaxoSmithKline to its roster of COVID-19 partners—and snagging a $250 million investment in the process. | Vir Biotechnology is adding GlaxoSmithKline to its roster of COVID-19 partners—and snagging a $250 million investment in the process. The duo will pool their...

www.fiercebiotech.com

 

[DocMcCoy]

I still think its all about the virus.
people are pricing in that there will soon be an opening up.

I think an opening up will be followed a few weeks later, by a shutting down - once the human toll hits home.

What we will probably see is a really long tail on our curve. There will likely be some hot spots but nothing alarming enough to put the genie back in the bottle now they we are opening up.

New York as of 3-4 days ago is still accounting for roughly 30-40 percent of total daily deaths. They are over the hump now. With down tending deaths in New York, phased opening, hygiene, social distancing, therapy, testing, even with hot spots we won’t see a huge uptick, just a long tail. Definitely nothing that will close is back down. Once the ball gets rolling, it’s going to take a lot to stop it.

 

[deleted87051]

k


I am not sure that is true. IMHO, the use of Remdesivir will decrease ICU admissions significantly. In addition, the elderly will likely still self-quarantine. This pandemic may not ever have a big second wave:

One third of people in Massachusetts study tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies - Sound Health and Lasting Wealth

Nearly one third of 200 Massachusetts residents were infected with antibodies linked to the novel coronavirus, according to a pilot study.Physicians at

www.soundhealthandlastingwealth.com

Only the wealthiest, most resourceful elderly can self quarantine effectively. The rest are sitting ducks.

My anesthesia group offered antibody testing and, according to the nurse who was administering it, our incidence was exceedingly low (low single digits in over 200 docs). But we as a group are neurotic and take social distancing seriously.

 

[d9sccr]

Sweden literally has more deaths per capita than the United States at 139 per million vs 112 deaths per million versus the USA. Anyone saying they are doing things right is neglecting that they are doing worse than us on a per capita basis and that this is not done yet and their numbers are probably going to look FAR worse as time goes on. Mathematically the current measures have saved 8,910 lives in the brief period since this mess began versus Sweden, and we have only really been dealing with it for just over a month. That's roughly how many people die of breast cancer every three months, for scale. Just the difference in death rate would make political policy the 7th biggest cause of death behind Alzheimers and ahead of diabetes each year.

I’m not sure we’re going to know for a several more months or even a year who comes out ahead. None of our models account for a second wave, which will come. At some point we have to get back to work. Indefinitely printing money doesn’t work. Massive unemployment will have its own consequences.

I know the whole contact tracing and testing is supposed to be the answer, but it seems that even that could be in doubt. Gottlieb posted an article today about how people are most infectious before they ever show symptoms. How do you contact trace people with a 10-14 day asymptomatic period through which they’re shedding virus? You’re talking about 1 person potentially infecting hundreds of people before they show so a fever. To complicate things more, the nasal swab PCRs are terrible screening tests with sensitivities at best at 80% but as low as 60%—assuming the specimen is gathered correctly. So you’re going to either use antibody testing(which makes no sense for contact tracing), pray for a better screening test, or base everything on clinical symptoms.

It’s also worth mentioning there’s literally no standard definition as to what classifies as a COVID death. Germany wasn’t counting deaths as COVID if patients had significant underlying disease, which we know is probably the highest risk factor for death anyway. The Netherlands are doing somewhat similar tallying, while Sweden has a much more liberal classification to what is COVID. This obviously is going to cause significant differences in death rates that’s going to confound the data. I honestly think we open w sort of hybrid of what we’re doing now and Sweden’s model and tell old and at risk populations to stay home or accept the risk

Two studies from last week also showed a tremendous lowering of the death rate. Netherlands apparently believes ~3% of its population has antibodies, lowering their death rate from 11% to 0.6% and 0.1% for everyone 44 y/o and below. Stanford is coming out with similar stats in Santa Clara where estimated cases are 50-85% higher than reported, which drags down the death rate as well.

 

[deleted162650]

Only the wealthiest, most resourceful elderly can self quarantine effectively. The rest are sitting ducks.

My anesthesia group offered antibody testing and, according to the nurse who was administering it, our incidence was exceedingly low (low single digits in over 200 docs). But we as a group are neurotic and take social distancing seriously.

Not to mention the tests suck.

 

[deleted126335]

Dow futures surge more than 700 points amid hope of coronavirus treatment


Gilead up 16% right now...

very odd response

with the Fed buying financial assets, the market will

Vector2 has won the war. We are all socialists now and the end results won't be good. Never let a crisis go to waste and that means the country surges leftward once again to its detriment.

He didn't win. The unconstrained capitalists lost it by failing to keep big private money out of the political process. This led to concentration of power. This led to increasing inequality, fragility, and pushback.

 

[deleted87051]

Not to mention the tests suck.

Same s****y antibody tests everywhere. We don’t have the same prevalence as Chelsea, MA.

 

[jeterfan]

Republicans Fret as Mnuchin Bargains With Democrats to Break Funding Impasse

Republicans worry Mnuchin is a wolf in sheeps clothing...a Democrat!!!

hilarious. Am I missing something? Forget about him being a democrat.. isn’t he Lewis from Revenge of the Nerds??

Probably got pummeled countless times during his earlier years and now the jocks and cheerleaders all lining up for his attention and blessings. Looks like the Goldman Sachs connections run deep and will pay off big time..i wonder what their take from administering the various billion dollar doll outs will be..even 0.25-0.5% would be a fortune

 

[narcotics999]

Only the wealthiest, most resourceful elderly can self quarantine effectively. The rest are sitting ducks.

My anesthesia group offered antibody testing and, according to the nurse who was administering it, our incidence was exceedingly low (low single digits in over 200 docs). But we as a group are neurotic and take social distancing seriously.

What do you test? IgG or IgM?

 

[deleted87051]

What do you test? IgG or IgM?

Both. Chinese test kits.

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[Mad Jack]

I’m not sure we’re going to know for a several more months or even a year who comes out ahead. None of our models account for a second wave, which will come. At some point we have to get back to work. Indefinitely printing money doesn’t work. Massive unemployment will have its own consequences.

I know the whole contact tracing and testing is supposed to be the answer, but it seems that even that could be in doubt. Gottlieb posted an article today about how people are most infectious before they ever show symptoms. How do you contact trace people with a 10-14 day asymptomatic period through which they’re shedding virus? You’re talking about 1 person potentially infecting hundreds of people before they show so a fever. To complicate things more, the nasal swab PCRs are terrible screening tests with sensitivities at best at 80% but as low as 60%—assuming the specimen is gathered correctly. So you’re going to either use antibody testing(which makes no sense for contact tracing), pray for a better screening test, or base everything on clinical symptoms.

It’s also worth mentioning there’s literally no standard definition as to what classifies as a COVID death. Germany wasn’t counting deaths as COVID if patients had significant underlying disease, which we know is probably the highest risk factor for death anyway. The Netherlands are doing somewhat similar tallying, while Sweden has a much more liberal classification to what is COVID. This obviously is going to cause significant differences in death rates that’s going to confound the data. I honestly think we open w sort of hybrid of what we’re doing now and Sweden’s model and tell old and at risk populations to stay home or accept the risk

Two studies from last week also showed a tremendous lowering of the death rate. Netherlands apparently believes ~3% of its population has antibodies, lowering their death rate from 11% to 0.6% and 0.1% for everyone 44 y/o and below. Stanford is coming out with similar stats in Santa Clara where estimated cases are 50-85% higher than reported, which drags down the death rate as well.

No recession or depression in the United States has caused an increase in mortality. They have all caused a decrease in mortality. So the consequences would be good, aside from lifestyle

 

[narcotics999]

Both. Chinese test kits.

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Are these kits reliable? Where are the Abbott's kits? My hospital said that we will have them in a week (more than a week ago) and I haven't get anything.

 

[deleted87051]

Are these kits reliable? Where are the Abbott's kits? My hospital said that we will have them in a week (more than a week ago) and I haven't get anything.

Unapproved Chinese coronavirus tests being used in at least 2 states

Some Chinese-made COVID-19 antibody tests being used in the U.S. were not approved by China's FDA. China has now barred their export.

www.nbcnews.com

Aytu BioScience Confirms Export and Incoming Delivery of COVID-19 IgG/IgM Rapid Tests

April 17, 2020 (ACCESSWIRE via COMTEX) -- Chinese Officials Confirm China Won't Restrict Exports of Medical Products Needed to Fight Coronavirus Company in...

www.marketwatch.com

“Mr. Disbrow concluded, "We have received further confirmation that the COVID-19 IgG/IgM Rapid Test manufactured by Zhejiang Orient Gene is in the approval process with NMPA. We remain highly confident in the test's clinical performance as recently demonstrated in a published, third-party peer-reviewed study and believe that the Zhejiang Orient Gene COVID-19 IgG/IgM Rapid Test is a reliable test in detecting COVID-19 antibodies. The independent study demonstrates test accuracy of 98.0% and 94.1% for IgG and IgM, respectively, when using PCR-positive cases as true positives, which we believe establishes strong clinical utility of the test."

 

[deleted162650]

Are these kits reliable? Where are the Abbott's kits? My hospital said that we will have them in a week (more than a week ago) and I haven't get anything.

The Abbott rapid test is beyond worthless. Sensitivity below 50% according to our intensivists. Our hospital system stopped using them.

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

The new term for this should be Madoffing, a process where you willingly ignore (or don't know in Bernie's case) the ponzi going on for years and years until you realize the implosion may no longer be for just your children and grandchildren, as used in the following, "We've been Madoffing for decades the imbalance between consumption and production with increasing debt and printed money."
#nofreelunch
#mathremainsundefeated

Record government and corporate debt risks ‘tipping point’ after pandemic passes

 

[We'llBeDoneIn15Minutes]

The Swedes are getting their snooty asses handed to them.
I'm glad someone decided to do that experiment. It is sad tho

Its a very long race, and measured in much more that just covid deaths (which is not being conceded btw). Right now they are in a Volvo heading to the outdoor Cafe for some Absolut while 20mil Americans are out of work and amongst a lot of hardship.

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[deleted697535]

Its a very long race, and measured in much more that just covid deaths (which is not being conceded btw). Right now they are in a Volvo heading to the outdoor Cafe for some Absolut while 20mil Americans are out of work and amongst a lot of hardship.

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herd immunity for the diseases we know about already, without a vaccine, means a lot of vulnerable people die.

For covid19 this may not even be possible. But again I'm glad someone is willing do the research on themselves

 

[Mad Jack]

Its a very long race, and measured in much more that just covid deaths (which is not being conceded btw). Right now they are in a Volvo heading to the outdoor Cafe for some Absolut while 20mil Americans are out of work and amongst a lot of hardship.

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They're not going to see the end of the deaths for some time. At current, their deaths per million are barely behind Switzerland but they have three times as many people in critical care. They're 8th in deaths per capita excluding small island nations. Saying their experiment was "successful" long before its outcome isn't just wrong, it is stupid.

 

[dannyboy1]

herd immunity for the diseases we know about already, without a vaccine, means a lot of vulnerable people die.

For covid19 this may not even be possible. But again I'm glad someone is willing do the research on themselves

If there is no lasting immunity then we definitely need to get back to work. Do you suggest staying in this lockdown indefinitely?

 

[BLADEMDA]

They're not going to see the end of the deaths for some time. At current, their deaths per million are barely behind Switzerland but they have three times as many people in critical care. They're 8th in deaths per capita excluding small island nations. Saying their experiment was "successful" long before its outcome isn't just wrong, it is stupid.

How do you define success? If the overall mortality is 0.5% and they save their economy is that a success? Is the death of a few thousand people (the extra deaths from not shutting down the economy) worth saving 500 billion U.S. Dollars?

Remember, our "experiment" has a cost too. So far, that cost is 3 trillion U.S. Dollars and likely much more. Our Economy is in shambles and unemployment at 30 million in a few weeks.

Please don't misconstrue my posts as saying that lives don't matter. They absolutely do matter but each life saved does come at a tremendous cost.

 

[BLADEMDA]

The devastation inflicted by coronavirus continues to mount, with at least 37,079 Americans now dead and more than 706,000 infected in a public health crisis that has crippled the nation’s economy.

Nearly all the job gains achieved since the last great economic crisis in 2008 are now gone after more than 22 million Americans filed for unemployment during the past month.

With the economic pain mounting, small businesses tapped out a federal rescue program worth hundreds of billions of dollars in a matter of days. Republicans and Democrats in Washington are now bickering over how to get more money out the door.

 

[dannyboy1]

It’s also looking like close to 40 percent of deaths are in the nursing home population. What used to be a GOMER is now a coronavirus tragedy. Go figure.

 

[leaverus]

Please don't misconstrue my posts as saying that lives don't matter. They absolutely do matter but each life saved does come at a tremendous cost.

Well, let's not go too far:

"You know when it comes to racism, people say 'I don't care if they're black, white, purple or green.' Oh, hold on now. Purple or green? You gotta draw the line somewhere. To hell with purple people. "
-Mitch Hedberg

Purple lives don't matter.

 

[Mad Jack]

How do you define success? If the overall mortality is 0.5% and they save their economy is that a success? Is the death of a few thousand people (the extra deaths from not shutting down the economy) worth saving 500 billion U.S. Dollars?

Remember, our "experiment" has a cost too. So far, that cost is 3 trillion U.S. Dollars and likely much more. Our Economy is in shambles and unemployment at 30 million in a few weeks.

Please don't misconstrue my posts as saying that lives don't matter. They absolutely do matter but each life saved does come at a tremendous cost.

If you are willing to trade lives for GDP there are far more efficient ways to do it

 

[Mad Jack]

It's like none of you ever learned the moral of this particular story

Button, Button (The Twilight Zone) - Wikipedia

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[Mman]

How do you define success? If the overall mortality is 0.5% and they save their economy is that a success? Is the death of a few thousand people (the extra deaths from not shutting down the economy) worth saving 500 billion U.S. Dollars?

Most thought experiments peg the value of a life in the US at $5-10M. Feel free to quibble with the exact amount and how much "less" the lives of elderly would be worth. 50,000 deaths @ $10M each would be $500B.

 

[anbuitachi]

they need to put a price on a life. set up an formula to calculate or something. it would apply in many scenarios including court cases involving death

 

[BLADEMDA]

Most thought experiments peg the value of a life in the US at $5-10M. Feel free to quibble with the exact amount and how much "less" the lives of elderly would be worth. 50,000 deaths @ $10M each would be $500B.

My post was in regards to what Sweden is doing right now. They have decided to take a different path than Norway or Denmark. I am speculating that reason has to do with economics and not just herd immunity.

I think Sweden's "experiment" may show that even though there are more deaths their medical system can handle the volume of patients. This is what the experts in Sweden must be thinking as they maintain their economy.

Perhaps, we can observe and learn from Sweden so as not to repeat the closure of businesses and put this nation into economic ruin.

 

[Spikebd]

Lots and lots of anti-China sentiment in the USA right now. The Hong Kong protests and the NBA debacle painted China in an ugly light. Trump has consistently trashed trade deals as being far too pro-China. COVID19 is a real disease, but the exaggerated response to this disease as evidenced by the Stanford studies reek of a coordinated effort to yet again paint China in an ugly light. The government, big academia, pro sports, and major healthcare institutions also love the side effects of increased power and influence over our daily lives. This anti-China is coming from the far left like the NBA and the far right like Alex Jones.
Who knows where it will all go, but my hunch tells me something awful is brewing and it’s centered on Chy-NA (said like Trump). If there’s any conflict with China, economics won’t really matter. We’ll be more worried about our families and our safety.

 

[Mman]

Perhaps, we can observe and learn from Sweden so as not to repeat the closure of businesses and put this nation into economic ruin.

Sweden may come out worse than most countries near them. Too soon to say whether or not what they have done will work (and apparently they are getting stricter now).

 

[anbuitachi]

Lots and lots of anti-China sentiment in the USA right now. The Hong Kong protests and the NBA debacle painted China in an ugly light. Trump has consistently trashed trade deals as being far too pro-China. COVID19 is a real disease, but the exaggerated response to this disease as evidenced by the Stanford studies reek of a coordinated effort to yet again paint China in an ugly light. The government, big academia, pro sports, and major healthcare institutions also love the side effects of increased power and influence over our daily lives. This anti-China is coming from the far left like the NBA and the far right like Alex Jones.
Who knows where it will all go, but my hunch tells me something awful is brewing and it’s centered on Chy-NA (said like Trump). If there’s any conflict with China, economics won’t really matter. We’ll be more worried about our families and our safety.

oh a war is definitively coming. the question is when.

 

[deleted697127]

Lots and lots of anti-China sentiment in the USA right now. The Hong Kong protests and the NBA debacle painted China in an ugly light. Trump has consistently trashed trade deals as being far too pro-China. COVID19 is a real disease, but the exaggerated response to this disease as evidenced by the Stanford studies reek of a coordinated effort to yet again paint China in an ugly light. The government, big academia, pro sports, and major healthcare institutions also love the side effects of increased power and influence over our daily lives. This anti-China is coming from the far left like the NBA and the far right like Alex Jones.
Who knows where it will all go, but my hunch tells me something awful is brewing and it’s centered on Chy-NA (said like Trump). If there’s any conflict with China, economics won’t really matter. We’ll be more worried about our families and our safety.

lol what? How is the NBA involved?

 

[Spikebd]

lol what? How is the NBA involved?

David Stern, the former NBA commissioner (God Rest his soul), was a member of the council of foreign relations. Adam Silver is the current NBA commissioner and he was Sterns right hand man for many years. It’s a shame I have to even explain this, I thought it would be obvious that a major professional sports league has a TON of sway in international relations/politics.

The Houston Rockets GM Daryl Money came out in support of Hong Kong protestors and the NBA was essentially kicked out of China after this.

My point is there’s a lot of underlying tension between the USA/UK thought leaders and China and the CCP. I hope nothing devastating comes out of it, and that this flare calms down soon.

Hopefully people don’t get ideas to use bioweapons as the weapon of choice in the future. Sadly they appear to be very effective.

 

[deleted697127]

David Stern, the former NBA commissioner (God Rest his soul), was a member of the council of foreign relations. Adam Silver is the current NBA commissioner and he was Sterns right hand man for many years. It’s a shame I have to even explain this, I thought it would be obvious that a major professional sports league has a TON of sway in international relations/politics.

Sure. But what exactly is going on between the NBA and China? There were some protests. The CEO of NBA China stepped down. China “Recalled” Jeremy Lin (who was born in California), placed him in 14 day quarantine, and now he’s playing for the Beijing Ducks in a league rival to the NBA that they’re trying to restart games for in southern China?

I mean I’m skeptical that sports organizations want anything to do with international politics. I think they’re just trying to play sports and make money.

 

[pgg]

lol what? How is the NBA involved?

Maybe Dennis Rodman is available to go to China to smooth things over.

The hero we need something something don't deserve something something.

 

[deleted697127]

David Stern, the former NBA commissioner (God Rest his soul), was a member of the council of foreign relations. Adam Silver is the current NBA commissioner and he was Sterns right hand man for many years. It’s a shame I have to even explain this, I thought it would be obvious that a major professional sports league has a TON of sway in international relations/politics.

The Houston Rockets GM Daryl Money came out in support of Hong Kong protestors and the NBA was essentially kicked out of China after this.

My point is there’s a lot of underlying tension between the USA/UK thought leaders and China and the CCP. I hope nothing devastating comes out of it, and that this flare calms down soon.

Hopefully people don’t get ideas to use bioweapons as the weapon of choice in the future. Sadly they appear to be very effective.

I think you’re overestimating sports execs “sway” in international relations. They’re just trying to expand markets, make money, and make sure it’s safe for them to do things like play nfl games in Mexico.

 

[deleted87051]

Sports execs are not much different than tech or manufacturing execs who want to conduct trade overseas. It’s just a business.

 

[deleted697127]

The Darkness Has Not Overcome It | By Jeremy Lin

COVID-19 shouldn’t be about East vs. West, politics, race or anything other than helping as many people as we can survive.

www.theplayerstribune.com

 

[Mad Jack]

Lots and lots of anti-China sentiment in the USA right now. The Hong Kong protests and the NBA debacle painted China in an ugly light. Trump has consistently trashed trade deals as being far too pro-China. COVID19 is a real disease, but the exaggerated response to this disease as evidenced by the Stanford studies reek of a coordinated effort to yet again paint China in an ugly light. The government, big academia, pro sports, and major healthcare institutions also love the side effects of increased power and influence over our daily lives. This anti-China is coming from the far left like the NBA and the far right like Alex Jones.
Who knows where it will all go, but my hunch tells me something awful is brewing and it’s centered on Chy-NA (said like Trump). If there’s any conflict with China, economics won’t really matter. We’ll be more worried about our families and our safety.

I mean, China did kind of mess up bad. Their government should be held to account