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Lawper said:
if steroids prove to be effective in reducing the covid deaths, does the number of cases still matter even when death rate goes very low if not near zero?
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I dont think the study showed that steroids reduced the death rate very low
 
I see a lot of people saying that much more younger people are getting infected right now. That's not really accurate. More younger people are getting tested right now bc they have access which is making the numbers of them who test positive go up, but the age demographics of Covid has not changed. This explains why the severe case demographics and death demographics have not changed. A data scientist made a twitter thread explaining this here. "If you measure the height of all people taller than 6 ft and have a median height of 6 ft 3 inches, and then change to measuring everyone's height, and your median changes to 5 ft 7 inches, does it mean your population suddenly got shorter? Pay attention"
 
This is pretty embarrassing

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Cath Up said:
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Fake news. Tell me the slope of the black line. Now tell me we haven't flattened the curve, just like Japan. I dare you
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Fake news is so depressing... why can't we go back to real news about accidently carpet bombing wedding parties in far off places and heartwarming stories about dogs and other family pets riding skateboards... that was proper news that was...
 
Cath Up said:
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Fake news. Tell me the slope of the black line. Now tell me we haven't flattened the curve, just like Japan. I dare you
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why does the number of cases matter when the focus should be on death rate and hospital stay
 
Vietnam has done very well despite its proximity to China and congested cities.

mobile.reuters.com

After aggressive mass testing, Vietnam says it contains coronavirus outbreak

Businessman Phan Quoc Viet was making his usual prayers at a pagoda in Tay Ninh, a province in southern Vietnam, when the government official's call came.
mobile.reuters.com mobile.reuters.com

www.worldometers.info

Vietnam COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Vietnam Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
 
Lawper said:
why does the number of cases matter when the focus should be on death rate and hospital stay
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I agree it's more reflective of actual burden but doesn't that lag weeks behind? Could lose time during which meaningful action could be taken.
 
Cath Up said:
I agree it's more reflective of actual burden but doesn't that lag weeks behind? Could lose time during which meaningful action could be taken.
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Idk i may be optimistic here but i think hospitals are better prepared now that we know a lot more about covid and have treatments to offer. Could see steroids being really helpful here.
 
Lawper said:
The stupidity of young people is astounding nationwide and i say that as a millennial
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@Twiggidy is right, it’s embarrassing. Speaking of stupidity....

www.fox2detroit.com

Oakland University fires man charged with assault after gun is pulled during parking lot argument

Oakland University said it has fired the man seen in social media videos this week where his wife pulled a gun on a mom and her daughter following an argument outside a Chipotle in Orion Township.
www.fox2detroit.com www.fox2detroit.com
 
nimbus said:
@Twiggidy is right, it’s embarrassing. Speaking of stupidity....

www.fox2detroit.com

Oakland University fires man charged with assault after gun is pulled during parking lot argument

Oakland University said it has fired the man seen in social media videos this week where his wife pulled a gun on a mom and her daughter following an argument outside a Chipotle in Orion Township.
www.fox2detroit.com www.fox2detroit.com
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Dumb people and that includes the black daughter/mom too. No need to escalate a situation for being bumped. Idiots all around!
 
marr65 said:
Dumb people and that includes the black daughter/mom too. No need to escalate a situation for being bumped. Idiots all around!
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Everyone (and I mean EVERYONE) is so bloody riled up in this country I swear everyone needs a bottle of Valium just sent to their homes. Most of this country just needs to sleep 2020 off and try again in 2021
 
would not be surprised if death rate goes up soon. death usually lags case rise by couple weeks or so.

and i dont think we should 'only' look at death. theres more to a disease than just living vs dying. some people are having severe complications due to covid but not dying.
 
anbuitachi said:
would not be surprised if death rate goes up soon. death usually lags case rise by couple weeks or so.

and i dont think we should 'only' look at death. theres more to a disease than just living vs dying. some people are having severe complications due to covid but not dying.
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Death rate and hospitalizations? Why would cases matter if people get infected but recover without going to the hospital?
 
anbuitachi said:
im saying we shouldnt look at just cases or deaths. we need to look at them together.
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No i understand. But there are dashboards tracking hospitalizations. So why is tracking cases important when hospitalizations can track hospital capacity better?
 
Lawpy said:
No i understand. But there are dashboards tracking hospitalizations. So why is tracking cases important when hospitalizations can track hospital capacity better?
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its important because it tells you how many cases there are in the public and how widespread the disease is. so my neighbors 95 yr old grandma can be more cautious going on the subway when there are 10000 cases a day in the state, despite only 50 deaths
 
must be tempting for trump and his insiders to time the market when they know he's got covid
i suppose that's insider trading though right?

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BLADEMDA said:
My Predictions:

1. Immunoglobulin treatment available by June. This will decrease the ICU admissions by 50% or more. Death rates will plummet.
2. Antiviral therapy- This is a longer shot but likely 1-2 antivirals will show some effectiveness against Wuhan Virus
3. Combine 1 and 2 leads to a death rate under 15,000 for the USA by the Fall
4. Vaccine will be ready for phase 2 testing by late Fall. By December/Jan a viable vaccine will be in production.
5. By April 01, 2021 the S and P 500 will be back to 2800 and the crisis will have ended.

I know many of you think the world has ended. This is how it felt in December of 2008 when the entire country was in melt down mode. December 2008 wasn't the "low" and neither is the current s and p of 2300. The stock market will go lower probably in the 1800-2000 range. I predict for those that buy near the low profits will be in the 50% range by April 2021.
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dchz said:
You're VERY optimistic, I will quote this in a few months.
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@dchz gets the W.

Making predictions about COVID and the market is a fool’s errand.
 
Man can we please elect Biden and Democrats to a landslide win in presidency and Congress?

www.wsj.com

Trump Sends Mixed Messages Over Covid-19 Stimulus

President Trump pulled the plug on ongoing bipartisan coronavirus relief talks in an abrupt move that jolted Wall Street and surprised lawmakers of both parties, but hours later called on Congress to approve a bill providing another direct check to many Americans.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
 
Lawpy said:
@nimbus @vector2 @BLADEMDA @Twiggidy @AMEHigh and everyone reading this thoughts pls:

www.wsj.com

As Covid Cases Surge, More Public-Health Experts Say Lockdowns Aren’t the Answer

With case counts elevated across large parts of Europe and the U.S., officials are reluctant to force another round of nationwide lockdowns of the sort imposed in March. But this time—unlike in the spring—public-health experts broadly and increasingly agree.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com
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I don’t have a WSJ subscription so I can’t read the article but from the first couple of paragraphs I gather it’s more of an indictment on the general public’s refusal to instructions (ie anti-maskers/secret raves/etc) rather than an indictment on lockdowns
I’m not in favor or looking forward to another lockdown but it seems inevitable, either that or we’re going to have a whirlwind of cases coming this fall/winter.

we already don’t plan on spending Thanksgiving together as a family and it’s pretty sad
 
Twiggidy said:
I don’t have a WSJ subscription so I can’t read the article but from the first couple of paragraphs I gather it’s more of an indictment on the general public’s refusal to instructions (ie anti-maskers/secret raves/etc) rather than an indictment on lockdowns
I’m not in favor or looking forward to another lockdown but it seems inevitable, either that or we’re going to have a whirlwind of cases coming this fall/winter.

we already don’t plan on spending Thanksgiving together as a family and it’s pretty sad
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Here's another link i found: Covid 19 coronavirus: World Health Organisation doctor backflips on virus lockdowns: Don't use them as a 'primary control' - NZ Herald

We have a lot better treatments and testing capabilities though? And flu shots are widely popular now to avoid additional problems
 
Lawpy said:
Here's another link i found: Covid 19 coronavirus: World Health Organisation doctor backflips on virus lockdowns: Don't use them as a 'primary control' - NZ Herald

We have a lot better treatments and testing capabilities though? And flu shots are widely popular now to avoid additional problems
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The big difference is lack of vaccine to COVID which just increases the risk to a potentially deadlier virus (death rate 0.1% vs 1%) I think this year’s flu will probably be one of the mildest flu season because A) people aren’t traveling / gathering (word has it that the Southern hemisphere had one of the lowest flu seasons to date) B) Everyone will be more likely to get a flu shot

While I don’t think the lockdown will be extreme as last winter, I’m not sure if indoor gatherings will be returning this winter. Until we have an effective vaccine I’m not sure what the answer should be, but COVID-19 isn’t the ’common cold’, which people will also still contract this winter.

Masking, Hand hygiene, and social distancing.....that’s the best we can do for now
 
Twiggidy said:
The big difference is lack of vaccine to COVID which just increases the risk to a potentially deadlier virus (death rate 0.1% vs 1%) I think this year’s flu will probably be one of the mildest flu season because A) people aren’t traveling / gathering (word has it that the Southern hemisphere had one of the lowest flu seasons to date) B) Everyone will be more likely to get a flu shot

While I don’t think the lockdown will be extreme as last winter, I’m not sure if indoor gatherings will be returning this winter. Until we have an effective vaccine I’m not sure what the answer should be, but COVID-19 isn’t the ’common cold’, which people will also still contract this winter.

Masking, Hand hygiene, and social distancing.....that’s the best we can do for now
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We don't need another lockdown. In 4-6 weeks a Vaccine will be ready for release. The answer is to vaccinate all those at high risk and those willing to take it.

I, for one, am ready to vaccinate myself and all my family members today. The safety and efficacy data is already out there. In just 3 weeks two companies will have enough data to apply for emergency use but they will wait until the end of November.

The manufactured Antibodies to Covid 19 have been successful and shown efficacy against Covid 19 when given early in the disease process. IMHO, Trump would have died without the treatment from Regeneron And Gilead. They saved his life particularly the dual antibody treatment from Regeneron.
 
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