The Underdog Thread

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Okay so here is my dilemma.....I have taken the MCAT 3 times already (first two wasn't prepared and did poorly, got a 15M then a 13M), The third time I took a prep course and got a 18M (all 6). I am doing my masters right now in forensic science and have a 3.75 gpa and have plenty of volunteer, clinical experience, as well as extracurricular activities. I would hate to retake the test a 4th time, but if I do I can also retake the prep course. I don't know what to do...should I retake the test or should I just apply with that score? If I do retake the prep course, it would have to be until I finish my masters which will be this October. I feel that med schools wouldn't even take the time of day to look over my application with that mcat score even if I submit the applications early. Plus I am 26 years old and feel that I am getting too old.....most people getting in are in their early twenties. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

If becoming a doctor is something you really want then you just have to keep working hard, keep taking and improving on your MCAT and never give up. They, "meaning admissions and their standards", want you to quit and never give them the satisfaction. A little about me: When I decided I wanted to become a doctor I was 28 and basically homeless. I moved back in with family and only then started my 4 year ordeal of undergrad and figuring out how to function as a student again after 10 + years out of school. All the while I kept thinking jeez I wish I was younger and wishing I would have had the guts to go for this goal at a younger age, but I decided it was not how fast I get to the finish line but that I simply reach the finish line. So after 4 years of undergrad I studied on my own, day and night, for months in order to take the MCAT, since I did not have the funds to afford the prep classes, and after 2 tries achieved a 26M. I then applied early in the cycle, with a 3.1 cum and a 3.5 science, and out of the 12 schools I applied to I was awarded 8 interviews and nearly as many acceptances. Believe it or not I think my age worked in my favor as I think the admissions realized how difficult it is for non-trad applicants and I believe they appreciate the life experiences that bring us to who we are now and in those life experiences can bring maturity and a sense of humility into the medical field.
 
If becoming a doctor is something you really want then you just have to keep working hard, keep taking and improving on your MCAT and never give up. They, "meaning admissions and their standards", want you to quit and never give them the satisfaction. A little about me: When I decided I wanted to become a doctor I was 28 and basically homeless. I moved back in with family and only then started my 4 year ordeal of undergrad and figuring out how to function as a student again after 10 + years out of school. All the while I kept thinking jeez I wish I was younger and wishing I would have had the guts to go for this goal at a younger age, but I decided it was not how fast I get to the finish line but that I simply reach the finish line. So after 4 years of undergrad I studied on my own, day and night, for months in order to take the MCAT, since I did not have the funds to afford the prep classes, and after 2 tries achieved a 26M. I then applied early in the cycle, with a 3.1 cum and a 3.5 science, and out of the 12 schools I applied to I was awarded 8 interviews and nearly as many acceptances. Believe it or not I think my age worked in my favor as I think the admissions realized how difficult it is for non-trad applicants and I believe they appreciate the life experiences that bring us to who we are now and in those life experiences can bring maturity and a sense of humility into the medical field.

Sounds like you've had quite the path. Congrats 🙂
 
I understand what you're getting at, but having below average stats is not "fine". I do not want current pre-meds to get the wrong idea and aim for mediocrity because they believe a 3.2 and 25 is good enough (as your post suggests). Of course it's possible to get accepted, my stats weren't great and it worked out for me, but not everyone is so lucky. One should always strive for the best stats possible and try to be an above average applicant. The admissions game is a bit random at times, and the best way to improve your chances of acceptance is by having good stats.

Also, just because the minimum may be 2.75 and 20 does not mean people with those stats, or stats slightly above that, frequently get in. The average matriculant has a GPA and MCAT score much higher than that.

Okay, I am going to say this then I am not going to respond to this thread anymore because I don't want to get banned or anything. You are on here, talking about, aiming high and you didn't go back to make your application strong yourself. You can't be a hypocrite and tell other premed students what to do and you didn't bother to do it yourself.

Having a 3.2 GPA and a 25 MCAT is not below average. Okay, so you want to be above avereage applicant, get in, and then what? Nothing because it would not matter. Are you going to get a medal? Honorary stats or somethin? No.

Also, you don't want to give premeds the wrong idea that if you have high stats, you are guaranteed to get in because it's not. There are people who had perfect scores in fact, the dean told us (when I went for my interview) said he rejected a guy with perfect scores and he was proud of did that. Also, my post does not suggest to aim mediocrocy. I said that was okay. I never said mediocrocy was okay so don'ti put words in my mouth please. Another thing, you don't want to DISCOURAGE premed students who may be non-traditionals and can't go back. Also, who's to say that a peson is not trying to aim high by having those stats? I agree, aim high but, some people have issues in life you know (Sickness, working a lot, etc,) and thank god in DO schools, you can explain discrepancies. Also, they look at the whole package because being a doctor is not all about scores. You have to make sure you have people skills too and a lot of people who are so called "mediocre" have those skills and will succeed too. I got in with a 3.25 GPA and a 28 MCAT and I am proud of that. I know people will knock it down, yell at me and tell me to take that crappy exam again and apply to bigger and better schools but I don't care and I don't want to(in which I believe will have no relevance whatsoever on how I do in medical school! That exam is joke! It's dog and pony show. I took it without studying because I didn't have time because I had to work to support my family, and go back to Japan for a bit. That Kraplan class did jackhizzle for me). I refuse to waste another year of my life and waste $7,000 or more in the making because of fear and thinking about what people say. Who cares what they say, if I were to listen to them, I would not be in today. I got in, that is all that matters. I am not doing this process again!!!!

But hey, whatever you want. The important thing is getting in. No one cares or knows what your stas are when you get in. Who cares. You are in the same situation as someone who got in with a 4.0 GPA and a 45 MCAT. It wouldn't matter after that. My older sister is in her second year and a lot of her teachers told her as long as you pass, that is all that matters anyways. This is not undergraduate, this is medical school. You are competing against no one but yourself.

Also, like the person said above me, if you feel that way, don't give up and post pone your applications and improve your scores. Medical schools want you to quit. Don't give up! Do what you think is best for you. (^*^)
 
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Having a 3.2 GPA and a 25 MCAT is not below average. Okay, so you want to be above avereage applicant, get in, and then what? Nothing because it would not matter. I got in with a 3.25 GPA and a 28 MCAT and I am proud of that. I know people will knock it down, yell at me and tell me to take that crappy exam again and apply to bigger and better schools but I don't care and I don't want to(in which I believe will have no relevance whatsoever on how I do in medical school! I took it without studying because I didn't have time because I had to work to support my family, and go back to Japan for a bit. That Kraplan class did jackhizzle for me). I refuse to waste another year of my life and waste $6,000 or more in the making because of fear and thinking about what people say. Who cares what they say, if I were to listen to them, I would not be in today. I got in, that is all that matters. I am not doing this process again!!!!

But hey, whatever you want. The important thing is getting in. No one cares or knows what your stas are when you get in. Who cares. You are in the same situation as someone who got in with a 4.0 GPA and a 45 MCAT. It wouldn't matter after that. My older sister is in her second year and a lot of her teachers told her as long as you pass, that is all that matters anyways. This is not undergraduate, this is medical school. You are competing against no one but yourself.

Also, like the person said above me, if you feel that way, don't give up and post pone your applications and improve your scores. Medical schools want you to quit. Don't give up Naruto! (^*^)

There's no reason to get defensive, I'm not trying to knock you or anyone else down. I'm an underdog too! All I was saying is that you shouldn't promote false hope by stating below average stats are "fine". Also, 3.2/25 is below average! I'm too lazy to get the exact numbers, but the average matriculant in 2010 had around a 3.5/26. Exclude some of the schools that have regional biases and low admissions stats (PCSOM, WCUCOM, etc) and this number increases. You can expect the average 2011 matriculant to have even higher stats.

Sure, once you're in medical school your stats do not matter. The one important thing you're completely disregarding though is getting into medical school in the first place (which is what this thread and this part of the forum is about)! If you've already gone through the motions (pre-reqs, MCAT, LORs, etc), have stats similar to ours, and are ready to apply then of course you should apply instead of waiting. For those thousands of freshmans and sophomores that currently aren't doing too well who read this thread, you shouldn't inadvertently tell them a 3.2/25 is good enough to get them into a D.O. medical school. Instead, as my original post suggested, they should work hard during their remaining 2-3 years and use this thread as motivation to become above average applicants.

As an underdog you shouldn't foster the mentality that being below average is fine. As an underdog you should promote pre-meds to work harder so they don't have to struggle and worry like we did. The goal is to not be an underdog! If you disagree with this statement then I do not know what to tell you.

edit: Obviously I quoted you before you edited your post. I went out for a bit but left my reply open, whoops. I'll try to reply to some of your new statements:

Also, you don't want to give premeds the wrong idea that if you have high stats, you are guaranteed to get in because it's not.

Of course. But what will give you the best chance of getting an acceptance? Having higher stats or lower stats? It's a simple and obvious answer.


Okay, I am going to say this then I am not going to respond to this thread anymore because I don't want to get banned or anything. You are on here, talking about, aiming high and you didn't go back to make your application strong yourself. You can't be a hypocrite and tell other premed students what to do and you didn't bother to do it yourself.

There's no reason to back out, I'm just trying to have a civil discussion 🙂

Just tone down the defensiveness, hostility, and name-calling yeah?
 
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If becoming a doctor is something you really want then you just have to keep working hard, keep taking and improving on your MCAT and never give up. They, "meaning admissions and their standards", want you to quit and never give them the satisfaction. A little about me: When I decided I wanted to become a doctor I was 28 and basically homeless. I moved back in with family and only then started my 4 year ordeal of undergrad and figuring out how to function as a student again after 10 + years out of school. All the while I kept thinking jeez I wish I was younger and wishing I would have had the guts to go for this goal at a younger age, but I decided it was not how fast I get to the finish line but that I simply reach the finish line. So after 4 years of undergrad I studied on my own, day and night, for months in order to take the MCAT, since I did not have the funds to afford the prep classes, and after 2 tries achieved a 26M. I then applied early in the cycle, with a 3.1 cum and a 3.5 science, and out of the 12 schools I applied to I was awarded 8 interviews and nearly as many acceptances. Believe it or not I think my age worked in my favor as I think the admissions realized how difficult it is for non-trad applicants and I believe they appreciate the life experiences that bring us to who we are now and in those life experiences can bring maturity and a sense of humility into the medical field.


Thank you for your words of encouragement. I am not going to give up on my dream. I guess I just need to really focus this time and do better. In your opinion, do you suggest that I forget about applying this year because of my score? I was thinking of also applying to some caribbean med schools (St. George looks good). Of course I plan on retaking the mcat but that won't be until sometime next year due to finishing my master's degree this year so I can dedicate all my time to study for it.
 
Thank you for your words of encouragement. I am not going to give up on my dream. I guess I just need to really focus this time and do better. In your opinion, do you suggest that I forget about applying this year because of my score? I was thinking of also applying to some caribbean med schools (St. George looks good). Of course I plan on retaking the mcat but that won't be until sometime next year due to finishing my master's degree this year so I can dedicate all my time to study for it.
Even St. George's University will probably not accept a student that has below a 24 MCAT. If you have a 3.7, you have the ability. You just need to find the right strategy.
 
For those of you who have applied more than 1 year, did you have to re-send ALL of your previous transcripts to AACOMAS or just the most recent updates when you re-applied??
 
Just updated the front page. Unreal. 👍
 
You know what, you are the first person to say that: "This thread was not designed to have people come in and say "haha you have a low gpa or mcat good luck with that, in my opinion i'd hold off for awhile lulz". Hold off awhile of what? Getting older and older and something in life happens where you can't apply anymore? Life is too short to keep holding off too much time. It will take FOREVER to bring your gpa up to a 3.9, if you keep holding off and take classes over until you are 90. Medical schools know that so just take upper division courses to boost your grade up and to show you can handle hard material. Also, for most DO schools, the minimum is a sci and cum gpa of 2.75 and MCAT of 20. 3.2 gpa and 25 mcat is actually fine for DO. It's a risk for MD but even people with 2.8 GPA and 19 MCAT got in either DO or MCAT. There's people with 3.9 GPA and 45 MCAT and didn't get into any schools. So, you really don't know until you try.

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Is this post serious?
You're arguing my point. I used quotation marks to imitate what people were saying that I didn't agree with.
 
Thanks for recommending me reading Noshie's post....it really did help me. I am actually in awe because her story at the beginning sound a lot like mine. I am definitely not going to give up and I am going to start studying for the mcat again. Thanks again for your help.

No problem. Best of luck 👍
 
Just updated the front page. Unreal. 👍

Yo HockeyDr! Thanks for putting in the work to update this thread throughout the app cycle. Best of luck at LECOM dude 👍
 
On pure stats alone, I'm going to nominate MedicineMike.

Congrats to all Underdogs that have been accepted.
 
On pure stats alone, I'm going to nominate MedicineMike.

Congrats to all Underdogs that have been accepted.

haha thank you! I think I should win some sort of a prize for being the best of the worst. I will say I was the epitome of an underdog during this process. But hey, maybe it was my charm 😉
 
haha thank you! I think I should win some sort of a prize for being the best of the worst. I will say I was the epitome of an underdog during this process. But hey, maybe it was my charm 😉

We're all on equal footing now. Also I don't really see it as the best of the worst so much as the one that had to overcome the biggest odds.

Getting into medical school was Oklahoma University and you were Boise State...they never saw the statue of liberty play coming.
 
We're all on equal footing now. Also I don't really see it as the best of the worst so much as the one that had to overcome the biggest odds.

Getting into medical school was Oklahoma University and you were Boise State...they never saw the statue of liberty play coming.

haha! I should write a sticky for the forum and tell them how i did it--I feel pretty honored!
 
Even St. George's University will probably not accept a student that has below a 24 MCAT. If you have a 3.7, you have the ability. You just need to find the right strategy.

There's lies, damn lies, and statistics.

Assuming a normal distribution (which we likely don't have), you could estimate that there were 1080 DO matriculants in 2010 with a GPA < 24, and 1137 if you break it down by race. Assuming a normal distribution (which we likely don't have), there were 777 MD matriculants in 2010 with a GPA < 24.

It's likely a skewed distribution, but a 24 is definitely not a death sentence.

This obviously doesn't take into account unbalanced MCAT scores (a 12, 6, 6 isn't going to get you far... most likely) nor does it suggest that a 24 is acceptable for everyone. Applications are more than your scores. I don't intend to rain on your parade, Triage, but it should be clear that it can be done with < 24, and that many students do each year.

Of course, it's much easier to save yourself the trouble and just get a good score on the damn test.

(http://www.aacom.org/data/applicantsmatriculants/Documents/2010Matriculantsummary.pdf)
(https://www.aamc.org/download/161690/data/table17-facts2010mcatgpa99-10-web.pdf.pdf) -- yes it is .pdf.pdf. No I don't know why.
 
I considering myself an underdog at this point because I applied to DO programs late in the cycle, but am still hopeful for a few interviews still. My undergrad and dental school gpas are not bad 3.77, 3.46 but my mcat was not great 9 v, 7 p, 9 B. I know most classes are filling up but I'm still have hope.
 
I considering myself an underdog at this point because I applied to DO programs late in the cycle, but am still hopeful for a few interviews still. My undergrad and dental school gpas are not bad 3.77, 3.46 but my mcat was not great 9 v, 7 p, 9 B. I know most classes are filling up but I'm still have hope.
how late did you apply? your stats are fine.
 
I had everything in by early Dec. Some schools waited for my MCAT score - which didn't get released until March 1. I know its late, but its not impossible. I did submit a secondary to Touro-NY by expresspost! Secondaries were mostly done at the other schools and file is complete.
 
I had everything in by early Dec. Some schools waited for my MCAT score - which didn't get released until March 1. I know its late, but its not impossible. I did submit a secondary to Touro-NY by expresspost! Secondaries were mostly done at the other schools and file is complete.
why didn't you just wait til the next cycle? march 1st is incredibly late, not just kinda late.
 
Seriously, it was a big step to decide to change careers, so when I made the decision it was late, but I thought I would give it a shot. I looked at Schools accepting Jan MCAT and Canadians and applied. I didn't realize that the MCAT score would have to be in prior to interviews. When I applied to Dental Schools in 1998, some schools would give out conditional acceptances.
 
Seriously, it was a big step to decide to change careers, so when I made the decision it was late, but I thought I would give it a shot. I looked at Schools accepting Jan MCAT and Canadians and applied. I didn't realize that the MCAT score would have to be in prior to interviews. When I applied to Dental Schools in 1998, some schools would give out conditional acceptances.
if it works out and you get in, it works out.

be prepared to submit everything on day one for the next cycle though. you've got to know the way of the game before you play. good luck.

just out of curiosity, what made you want to change careers?
 
why didn't you just wait til the next cycle? march 1st is incredibly late, not just kinda late.

I have to agree. If you don't get in this cycle, which crazier things have probably happened, reapply early and you should be able to get in. Your GPA is a bit above average and your MCAT a bit below. Usually the only people getting in that have applied this late have exceptional stats.
 
I have to agree. If you don't get in this cycle, which crazier things have probably happened, reapply early and you should be able to get in. Your GPA is a bit above average and your MCAT a bit below. Usually the only people getting in that have applied this late have exceptional stats.

x2...Also, I am positive being a dentist can't hurt 😉
 
Seriously, it was a big step to decide to change careers, so when I made the decision it was late, but I thought I would give it a shot. I looked at Schools accepting Jan MCAT and Canadians and applied. I didn't realize that the MCAT score would have to be in prior to interviews. When I applied to Dental Schools in 1998, some schools would give out conditional acceptances.

I don't know what specialties you are interested in, and I might be talking about things that I really have no clue about, but have you ever considered going into oral surgery and getting an MD through one of the residency programs that offer it? I guess that wouldn't make sense unless you like oral surgery, but it's just a thought.
 
I don't know what specialties you are interested in, and I might be talking about things that I really have no clue about, but have you ever considered going into oral surgery and getting an MD through one of the residency programs that offer it? I guess that wouldn't make sense unless you like oral surgery, but it's just a thought.

I agree. I know Mount Sinai School of Medicine has one of those Oral and Maxillofacial surgery programs.
 
I feel like I should post in this thread because I too was an underdog and I just got an acceptance call! WHEE!

My stats were pretty underwhelming. I had a 26R, 2.8 SciGPA and a 3.2 CuGPA. However, I did double major (bio/english) in 4 years and have over 100+ hours in both physician shadowing and laboratory work. I applied to 10 schools and have so far gotten into 1, rejected by 6, and awaiting reply from 3.

I think overall I was well bellow average. I was pretty pessimistic about my prospects but lo and behold! I got accepted!

So everyone out there struggling to get in, keep your chin up!
 
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I feel like I should post in this thread because I too was an underdog and I just got an acceptance call! WHEE!

My stats were pretty underwhelming. I had a 26R, 2.8 SciGPA and a 3.2 CuGPA. However, I did double major (bio/english) in 4 years and have over 100+ hours in both physician shadowing and laboratory work. I applied to 10 schools and have so far gotten into 1, rejected by 6, and awaiting reply from 3.

I think overall I was well bellow average. I was pretty pessimistic about my prospects but low and behold! I got accepted!

So everyone out there struggling to get in, keep your chin up!

congrats to my fellow underwhelming applicant! 👍
 
Thanks for info - but my interests have really changed away from dentistry. I've thought of doing OS/MD, but what I am really interested is primary healthcare. Then I met a DO that was doing exactly what I wanted to do and it opened my eyes. Living in Canada, I was not too familiar with DO and now knowing the difference, I wouldn't even consider MD programs.
 
So as of right now I am an underdog. I bombed the MCAT the first time and got a 22, but have a high GPA. I am retaking the MCAT next month and hope to do much better.

Anyway, I am working on my list of schools that I am going to apply to. I was looking at HockeyDr09's spreadsheet on which schools to apply to and noticed several of them are state schools or have regional preferences. So as an underdog do you suggest applying to those schools regardless of where you live or only if you are in the region/state to which that school is loyal? Thanks.
 
Like to add my stats as underdog. Accepted at the three schools I interviewed with...LMU-DCOM, VCOM-Va., and PCOM-Ga....all before Christmas. Turned down interviews at KCOM and ATSU-SOMA b/c had already put down deposits. Was also offered secondaries to WVSOM and WCU-COM but declined those also. Also interviewed at state MD school with no final decision yet.

MCAT: 24
cGPA: 3.27
sGPA: 3.12

Had lots of EC's and leadership roles in college.
 
Like to add my stats as underdog. Accepted at the three schools I interviewed with...LMU-DCOM, VCOM-Va., and PCOM-Ga....all before Christmas. Turned down interviews at KCOM and ATSU-SOMA b/c had already put down deposits. Was also offered secondaries to WVSOM and WCU-COM but declined those also. Also interviewed at state MD school with no final decision yet.

MCAT: 24
cGPA: 3.27
sGPA: 3.12

Had lots of EC's and leadership roles in college.

Contests!! U have a lot of options!

I still got u "beat" with my stats though!
 
@Medicinemike-while I mean no disrespect, I'm pretty sure I've got you beat when it comes to the total Applicant Score from the first page. Your stellar second half brings your score to 49.1 while I slummed at the bottom with a 42.5. That hopefully will change as I finish grad school but I doubt I'll be able to beat your score. 😉

To all the other underdogs who are reading this thread, I hope that 1) you are encouraged to keep up the struggle and 2) know that for most of us, along with our meh stats, many of us had really good ECs that made a more compelling applicant. It isn't just a numbers game (obviously) so exploit every advantage you can.

Good luck!

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I love this thread! It just goes to show you that there is more to being a physician than high numbers! I would have to say that some of the best dentists from my class, were the C students. For whatever reason, they didn't score well on tests, but clinically they were awesome. I've also learned that patients are really just looking for someone understand their problem. I've never been asked how I did in dental school😀
 
This is an awesome thread. I really appreciate everyone who contributed.
 
Hey everyone. I am posting my stats hopefully for some feedback.

My MCAT score is not so great (in the 20s). I haven't seen some of these pre-med classes since 1998!

I spoke to some DO schools that said they would use my Graduate GPA as my GPA.

Bachelor degree Biology (highly ranked and competitive university)
Cummulative Undergrad: 3.49
Science Undergrad: 3.51

Doctor of Pharmacy (highly ranked and very competitive program), Summa Cum Laude
Cummulative Grad: 3.76
Science Grad: 3.86

Combined Cummulative: 3.56
Combined Science: 3.61

Score from First page: 49.1
Formula:
MCAT/2 + sGPA*10 = Applicant Score


Publications (Abstracts, posters) All first or second author: Number 9
Research: Top research hospitals and institutions, original research project and idea in residency.

Extracurriculars: I wasn't sure what to indicate but my background is unique:

PGY-1 Pharmacy residency with emphasis in critical care
Around 10,000 hours of clinical experience as student, resident, health care professional. Background in psychiatry, kidney and liver transplant surgery

Currently working as Critical Care pharmacotherapy specialist, sitting on 8 different committees in the hospital.

Professional presentations: many as a grad student, resident, practitioner. I do CME (continuing medical education) for physicians at my hospital.

Letters of recommendation: 3 Science faculty, 1 MD Physician. One from undergrad (known me 13 years), 2 from Grad school (one did research with and was faculty for 3 classes), other was faculty and mentor director of research center. 1 Letter from MD who I have known 3 years since being a resident. Work with DO physicians from the schools I am applying. All have offered to personally call the admissions if I like. I told them to hold off. Family and friends current alumni, very very familiar with the programs.

Trying to paint a full picture here. My problem is, MCAT and I applied late (because I had no MCAT score until taking the January MCAT).

I am an in-state resident living very close to an osteopathic state medical school.

I was also was a preceptor/faculty for PharmD students in critical care.

Currently have editorial responsibilities for 2 Peer-reviewed Science Journals and 3 Medical Text publishers.

Recently became a fellow in an organization. (I.e. when you see something like MD, FACS)

Recently asked to be an Adjunct Assistant Professor for an Osteopathic Medical School that is out of state. Would obtain this appointment when I start taking students from the schools for clinical rotations.

Any feedback?
 
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what kind of feedback do you want?

yeah the mcat is a bit low, but you will pretty much have your choice of schools
 
Hey everyone. I am posting my stats hopefully for some feedback.

My MCAT score is not so great (in the 20s). I haven't seen some of these pre-med classes since 1998!

I spoke to some DO schools that said they would use my Graduate GPA as my GPA.

Bachelor degree Biology (highly ranked and competitive university)
Cummulative Undergrad: 3.49
Science Undergrad: 3.51

Doctor of Pharmacy (highly ranked and very competitive program), Summa Cum Laude
Cummulative Grad: 3.76
Science Grad: 3.86

Combined Cummulative: 3.56
Combined Science: 3.61

Score from First page: 49.1
Formula:
MCAT/2 + sGPA*10 = Applicant Score


Publications (Abstracts, posters) All first or second author: Number 9
Research: Top research hospitals and institutions, original research project and idea in residency.

Extracurriculars: I wasn't sure what to indicate but my background is unique:

PGY-1 Pharmacy residency with emphasis in critical care
Around 10,000 hours of clinical experience as student, resident, health care professional. Background in psychiatry, kidney and liver transplant surgery

Currently working as Critical Care pharmacotherapy specialist, sitting on 8 different committees in the hospital.

Professional presentations: many as a grad student, resident, practitioner. I do CME (continuing medical education) for physicians at my hospital.

Letters of recommendation: 3 Science faculty, 1 MD Physician. One from undergrad (known me 13 years), 2 from Grad school (one did research with and was faculty for 3 classes), other was faculty and mentor director of research center. 1 Letter from MD who I have known 3 years since being a resident. Work with DO physicians from the schools I am applying. All have offered to personally call the admissions if I like. I told them to hold off. Family and friends current alumni, very very familiar with the programs.

Trying to paint a full picture here. My problem is, MCAT and I applied late (because I had no MCAT score until taking the January MCAT).

I am an in-state resident living very close to an osteopathic state medical school.

I was also was a preceptor/faculty for PharmD students in critical care.

Currently have editorial responsibilities for 2 Peer-reviewed Science Journals and 3 Medical Text publishers.

Recently became a fellow in an organization. (I.e. when you see something like MD, FACS)

Recently asked to be an Adjunct Assistant Professor for an Osteopathic Medical School that is out of state. Would obtain this appointment when I start taking students from the schools for clinical rotations.

Any feedback?

I am in the same situation - My MCAT was mid 20's basically because I scored a 7 in PS. I was happy with the 9's in VR and Bio. I think you are still in good shape - if doesn't pan out this year just reapply early.
 
@Medicinemike-while I mean no disrespect, I'm pretty sure I've got you beat when it comes to the total Applicant Score from the first page. Your stellar second half brings your score to 49.1 while I slummed at the bottom with a 42.5. That hopefully will change as I finish grad school but I doubt I'll be able to beat your score. 😉

To all the other underdogs who are reading this thread, I hope that 1) you are encouraged to keep up the struggle and 2) know that for most of us, along with our meh stats, many of us had really good ECs that made a more compelling applicant. It isn't just a numbers game (obviously) so exploit every advantage you can.

Good luck!

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While my total score may be a 49, it doesnt take into account my abysmal non-science gpa! we need a better formula!
 
what kind of feedback do you want?

yeah the mcat is a bit low, but you will pretty much have your choice of schools

well I have not heard anything back from the schools I applied to. I know people that interviewed in the end of April when they got in. It seems it is so different from year to year.

It just seems that the schools I have spoke with have stats of Avg GPA 3.6 and MCAT of 28+ for admitted students. It is incredibly competitive.

I am in the same situation - My MCAT was mid 20's basically because I scored a 7 in PS. I was happy with the 9's in VR and Bio. I think you are still in good shape - if doesn't pan out this year just reapply early.

That's a good score. Nothing to be ashamed about there! I know what you mean. Have you any interviews yet? I know we spoke on PM in the past.
 
I graduated in 2007 with a 2.85 cum GPA and a BS Biology. I had retaken a bunch of courses in college (I made up for a strict religious upbringing by partying a lot), so if you average all my courses together, my GPA would actually be a 2.09, so MD and PA schools won't even look at me. I've been on SDN for a week solid learning everything about DO and the schools, compiling as much info as I can, but I have a couple of questions. I took my first post-bacc course last semester (A&P 1) and earned a 98%, which I'm proud of. This semester I'm doing equally well in A&P II and a retake of Microbiology (originally got a 2.0 C). This will raise my cGPA to 2.98 and my sGPA to 2.89 or so. I can then take retake a couple other classes (Physics II and Chem I, both Cs) this summer for a couple thousand dollars and bump the sciGPA to 3.09. From there I can retake Biochem and Ecology and Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy in the Fall 2011, taking me to a 3.43 sciGPA and in to the competitive level.
I started working as a scribe in the ER this month, and plan on continuing doing that (it's basically like shadowing and working with the ER docs). I am starting to volunteer at the refugee clinics with medical cases scheduling, plus I have plenty of good ECs from my college days when I served as secretary and then vice president of a student organization (fraternity). I'm trilingual and live in a rural area (Idaho) and plan on moving back to Idaho to practice medicine and help with the underserved and rural populations.

I know you should apply with the AACOMAS early, and put "retakes in progress" on there, but what would you do if you were me? Is putting Fall classes that I won't even get grades for till January as "planned retakes in progress" too much? Should I just put the two summer courses as the only retakes in progress? I know I have to have a stellar MCAT (29 or higher) to even have a chance.

I just don't want to wait till next year's application cycle. What would you do?
 
I was wondering, how did you guys come up with that equation (gpa/2 + mcat*10) in the first post? Some variation of hte LizzyM score?
 
Plus I am 26 years old and feel that I am getting too old.....most people getting in are in their early twenties. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Well I am 28 right now. I plan to apply for 2012 w/ 3.3c and 3.4sGPA and a 32 MCAT. I feel like quiting now because i feel so god damn old. I wish i knew how to subdue this feeling. Its just overwhelming at times. anyways If this year does not work out, I retake 2 classes and boost my GPA to 3.4c and 3.6sGPA. So i think i am still hanging on by a tread. Hope is four letter word but it sure does wonders.

So i feel your pain man. getting old sucks, but getting old w/out the degree you want sucks even more. (I think) 🙁🙁😳🙂
 
Old is realative. I will be 34 when I matriculate, hopefully, in 2013. I am pushing things back by another year because I need to retake classes, not for grades, for the degree. The Uni here has decided not to accept prior credits. But that's ok! I am now planning our third and final child. That way I meet my personal goals while striving for my professional ones. My motto is, you gotta live these years anyways, so why not do it shooting for the stars? You can't go back and get that degree, but you can make an amazing future. I know it does nothing to change the way you feel, but NSU median age a few years ago was 31. One of my friends grad from there and she was the youngest, at 25. She said those non-trads that were career changes were the happiest and most hard working people in the class. That their life experience made them excel in clinicals. Keep on pushing forward!
 
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