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[Animal Midwife]

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Obviously not. I feel like you're intentionally missing the point which was regarding yeeting an inactive person, which is very possible if more people jump on that vote and don't back down

Well, you can put down your own vote to help prevent it if you fear a late influx would shift it that way.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Well, you can put down your own vote to help prevent it if you fear a late influx would shift it that way.

I certainly will. I'm thinking Sloth but I want to hear her explanation of her votes if she ever gets around to it

 

[Crayola227]

unofficial d1 yeet tally

April (3) - alleycat, Viscernable, Acehunter
AM ()
Dina ()
alleycat ()
DubZ (1) - kras
kras ()
Philosloth ()
MsP (1) - Dina
Viscernable (3) - Crayola, DubZ, genny
supershorty (1) - DrRoRo
genny (2) - Zenge, supershorty
MsP (2)- AM, schools

Ok I realize now I'm sitting on visc with Dubz and genny have no idea how I feel about that given what I've said about them.

On the other hand if visc flipped wolf I would know exactly what to think about them.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I certainly will. I'm thinking Sloth but I want to hear her explanation of her votes if she ever gets around to it

Reads*

 

[Crayola227]

unofficial d1 yeet tally

April (3) - alleycat, Viscernable, Acehunter
AM ()
Dina ()
alleycat ()
DubZ (1) - kras
kras ()
Philosloth ()
MsP (1) - Dina
Viscernable (3) - Crayola, DubZ, genny
supershorty (1) - DrRoRo
genny (2) - Zenge, supershorty
MsP (2)- AM, schools

Then again I don't know what to think of those on genny and a genny flip would also be informative.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Then again I don't know what to think of those on genny and a genny flip would also be informative.

make sure you see the corrected one! i messed this one up and seperated the MsP votes

 

[supershorty]

Unyeet genny
Yeet sloth

Pressure to explain that reads post. It doesn't sit right with me. Seems like "look, I'm wolfhunting!" while putting a huge pile in strong village with no justification.

 

[Crayola227]

I can see where the reasoning comes from, but it's a wasted yeet if the person might be mod killed anyway, and it generates exactly 0 info because the person has no interactions to analyze so it's not a helpful yeet to the village

I don't always agree yeeting someone bound for modkill is a waste of a yeet. Better to lose one villager than two which is the main risk of such a situation, and that can mean an extra cycle of solving. Key thing is, can we make the cycles useful anyway. We can. And it can be informative the way people go after a quiet villager can tell you a lot.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

looking at the people in the ties, i don't like how ace came on, said april was a wolf and didn't give a lot of explanation, and then left and we haven't heard from since

unyeet MsPTop
yeet Ace

to get the heck away from a tie and also to get an explanation for the april stuff.

 

[Crayola227]

my vote is where it is bc i don't have strong reasons for anyone to be anything
i didn't like how much scrutiny some awkward wording had, especially when it was in regards to a salt vote. i don't think there's enough basis to yeet visc yet and i'm gun-shy after last game

Often awkward wording is the only clue you get that someone is a wolf

 

[Crayola227]

make sure you see the corrected one! i messed this one up and seperated the MsP votes

Where is the corrected one?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

looking at the people in the ties, i don't like how ace came on, said april was a wolf and didn't give a lot of explanation, and then left and we haven't heard from since

unyeet MsPTop
yeet Ace

to get the heck away from a tie and also to get an explanation for the april stuff.

how did I insert a link???? to the top page button????

unyeet MsP
yeet Ace

incase it needed to be fixed

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

Where is the corrected one?

I'll just remake it real quick, i'm angering SDN somehow and I keep f**king up while typing. just a second

 

[Crayola227]

My real problem now is that there are too many appealing wagons on the board.

MsP, sloth, visc, genny, Ace, even April.

I don't find April super appealing, but her flip would also be useful I think given how many people have commented there.

 

[Crayola227]

Zenge I want to hear more from you I see you liked a recent post.

 

[supershorty]

@kraskadva @LaineyLou @DrRoRo @Acehunter123 @alleycat03 @Dinashadow

You've all been very quiet so far today. Any thoughts?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

i can't type or count unofficial d1 yeet tally

April (3) - alleycat, Viscernable, Acehunter
AM ()
Dina ()
alleycat ()
DubZ (1) - kras
kras ()
Philosloth (1)- supershorty
MsP (2) - Dina, AM
Viscernable (3) - Crayola, DubZ, genny
supershorty (1) - DrRoRo
genny (1) - Zenge
ace (1)- schools

yeet close in ~5.5 hrs
missing April, Lainey, MsP, sloth, sunshine, visc

if i messed this one up i'm quitting trying to make these

 

[Animal Midwife]

looking at the people in the ties, i don't like how ace came on, said april was a wolf and didn't give a lot of explanation, and then left and we haven't heard from since

unyeet MsPTop
yeet Ace

to get the heck away from a tie and also to get an explanation for the april stuff.

I thought he gave an explanation hours ago.

 

[WildZoo]

I thought he gave an explanation hours ago.

AM stop ninjaing me

 

[WildZoo]

True we haven't heard anything from him since but "no explanation" is not accurate

The initial feeling is based on my gut, her responses seem a bit bland to her accusations without much of a defense. She seems rather scripted but you all would likely know better than I having only just joined... her defense for shorty also seems suspicious to me, but again having not played in previous games I am unsure if they influenced this choice.

For someone in jeopardy she seems rather passive and non-descript

 

[Acehunter123]

Sorry for the delay, haven't gotten out of the clinic yet but should be able to engage in more lovely discussions once I get home.

 

[Acehunter123]

Been working straight since 8 no breaks until now. Hoping to be out shortly.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I am new, it was a mistake not putting it in bold to begin. Reading the earlier posts on my phone got me a bit confused on how to yeet as I did not notice the bold initially until it was pointed out to me. I also happened to miss the instruction that said not to edit a post and felt that doing so would be the most efficient as it wouldn't have changed the meaning of my original post. That being said I am not joking when I said April is likely a wolf.

The initial feeling is based on my gut, her responses seem a bit bland to her accusations without much of a defense. She seems rather scripted but you all would likely know better than I having only just joined... her defense for shorty also seems suspicious to me, but again having not played in previous games I am unsure if they influenced this choice.

I thought he gave an explanation hours ago.

we got this, and it was made on p4 and i don't think he's said much since. we're 6 pages ahead now (and the quote below that dubz found that I had missed)

For someone in jeopardy she seems rather passive and non-descript

I'm not sayin he's wolfy, i wanna hear more about his thoughts on april now that there are 6 more pages of content

 

[WildZoo]

we got this, and it was made on p4 and i don't think he's said much since. we're 6 pages ahead now (and the quote below that dubz found that I had missed)

I'm not sayin he's wolfy, i wanna hear more about his thoughts on april now that there are 6 more pages of content

If you're not saying he's wolfy why are you voting for him instead of just...asking?

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

True we haven't heard anything from him since but "no explanation" is not accurate

i didn't say none, i just said not a lot. when i'm confident someone is a wolf (which granted, is not often; and granted, is not how everyone does it) i continue to build evidence against them and make sure everyone knows why
he's here now so i'll likely move off after we hear more from him

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

If you're not saying he's wolfy why are you voting for him instead of just...asking?

i thought thats what pressure votes were

 

[Animal Midwife]

we got this, and it was made on p4 and i don't think he's said much since. we're 6 pages ahead now (and the quote below that dubz found that I had missed)

I'm not sayin he's wolfy, i wanna hear more about his thoughts on april now that there are 6 more pages of content

I guess I'm surprised you chose him over the other lowposters if it's just for activity, especially given he voted seriously while the others haven't.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

I guess I'm surprised you chose him over the other lowposters if it's just for activity, especially given he voted seriously while the others haven't.

that's fair

 

[WildZoo]

i thought thats what pressure votes were

I guess they can be, but usually there's more of a progression. I'm more likely to go to pressure vote if someone seems to be lurking and/or not answering questions. But, different strokes.

Idk just rubbed me the wrong way given the context of your other posts today.

 

[vetschoolsletmeinplease]

****
ok imma go have my first lunch as a FIANCEEEEEE ill be back later
no i will not shut up about it it is fun to say
*****

 

[Dinashadow]

Ok the thread has slowed down enough for me to collect my thoughts, especially since I'll be largely absent tomorrow (anniversary with partner).

I don't love cray's focus on sloth's vote for the first pageish. my impression of the first half of day one is everyone casts a joke vote and we all change it when something actually happens. other than that sounds like normal village cray to me

some of lainey's posts would ping me a little if she weren't basically a fresh noob. she only got 1 day last game so i don't super count it
alley sounds like village alley
i'ont trust april one bit after last game, so im not sure where to put her posts at all. same goes for WZ. i need to get a better handle on their tones
I also don't like the focus on april's salt vote, i feel like it's too much attention for something minor? although that can be a direct consquence of there just not being too much to go off of yet

i thought this was an interesting post and i wanted to just keep it where i can see it in the context of reading shorty's posts

everyone else i don't have many thoughts on in either direction yet

This stuck out to me because the ultimate goal is to catch a wolf not to sit on joke votes, so I'm confused why you didn't like it.

Spoiler: Also

CONGRATS ON YOUR ENGAGEMENT

You could be right that what I'm analyzing is Sloth's normal gameplay and it is NAI. Personally, my "innocent until proven guilty" involves putting people in neutral as default until I have a reason not to. I feel like putting people into a village pile as default is dangerous because it can affect how others read those people, whether intentionally or unintentionally, and it can keep wolves safely hidden.

Same about Dina, she has barely posted and is square in my neutrals right now.

Lol and here I was thinking I was being better about posting more

Besides the brief ones I posted earlier? Sure.

AM is doing the bare minimum to stay just on the village side of neutral. Cray sounds village. You sound village.

Vis hasn't been as aggressive as I'd expect for village. April's bf says she's wolfy. Dina seems awful lurky, which she has been in the past as a wolf.

Dubz isn't village, but good luck yeeting her if she's a wolf.

I feel like I'm playing about the same as I do any game. My impression is that this is only being brought up because I looked at thread yesterday on my phone and reacted to some posts and didn't finish replying until I came back 2-3 hours later.

Schools beat me to it, but why? I'd like to know more about her gameplay in general too since she's been completely absent so far

That being said, it could be helpful as a pressure vote, but I don't see it as helpful if the person never shows up and everyone stays on that yeet

Basically she'll not come on until almost yeet close and either get people to waffle off of her or nobody will yeet her thinking she's going to be mod killed, but then she pops on to do just enough to not get mod killed. Or at least that's what she did in Back to skewwl.

I'm considering when/if I'll switch off of her. Maybe to Vis or even genny. I'm not great at reading her, but Zenge has brought up some good points. Schools posts have also stuck out to me, so she's leaning slighty wolfy.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

Village
AM
Dina
Alley
Cray
Sunshine
Genny

Weak Village
Zenge
VetSchools
Ace

???
WildZoo
MsP
Lainey
Shorty
Kras
DrRoRo

Wolf-lean
Visc
April

Here is a more broken down list from previously

Village
AM
Alley
Cray
Sunshine

Weak Village
Zenge
VetSchools
Ace

Neutral
Genny
Dina
April
Kras

???
WildZoo
Lainey
MsP
DrRoRo
Shorty

Wolf-Lean
Visc

Visc is my main wolf-lean right now, but I don’t quite think I’m ready to yeet yet because of the bandwagon that’s forming. Doing some more investigating into the neutrals

 

[sunshinefl]

my vote is where it is bc i don't have strong reasons for anyone to be anything
i didn't like how much scrutiny some awkward wording had, especially when it was in regards to a salt vote. i don't think there's enough basis to yeet visc yet and i'm gun-shy after last game

Yes but it's *something*. It's early on everyone, not like Visc just subbed in.

Ok I realize now I'm sitting on visc with Dubz and genny have no idea how I feel about that given what I've said about them.

On the other hand if visc flipped wolf I would know exactly what to think about them.

this is why I'm hesitant to put a vote there despite Visc sketchiness. Genny is being weird in general *and* being weird about WZ who I don't have a read on yet... Genny has even acknowledged being cryptic but isn't doing anything to not be (and not just about the other game stuff which we're dropping)

 

[Zenge142]

Zenge I want to hear more from you I see you liked a recent post.

Okay. I'm still sus of Genny. Changing her opinion from "normal/village April" to "willing to yeet April or Dina at the drop of a hat" kind of freaked me out. And her reasoning for it was:

I slept for 12 hours non-consecutively, I had breakfast, and I reread the thread.

Which isn't exactly satisfactory.

I am becoming increasingly sus of Sloth because of that list they posted, and the aftermath of the way it was explained.

I don't agree with the April wagon, especially if a big part of some people's sticking point is her bf said she's wolfy, which I don't really put a lot of stock in. Also having just up against her where she was a wolf, there's a certain something that feels different, but I'm having trouble describing. Willing to admit I'm wrong about feeling a village lean, but at least so far I've seen nothing that make me feel like it's a good choice for a yeet vote. Especially when compared to my reads on Genny and Sloth which I feel stronger about.

I have no opinion currently on Vis other than I'd like to hear them post more, along with everyone else who's been quiet today.

I don't always agree yeeting someone bound for modkill is a waste of a yeet. Better to lose one villager than two which is the main risk of such a situation, and that can mean an extra cycle of solving.

I don't really agree with this sentiment. I mean sure, better to lose one villager than two, that I agree with. But how about better to yeet a wolf and lose a villager? I don't know I see the point being made, but I think with some good wolf possibilities on the table, it's better to take the risk. Just my opinion though, and I can see the value of the other side of the argument.

Speaking of, can I get a rules clarification on that? What happens with a mod kill regarding subs? It's my understanding Lawpy is currently subbing? Would Lawpy jump in to replace someone who gets mod killed, or would Lawpy only sub in if someone was like "Hi, realized I can't do this because of time, sorry, gotta bail!"?

 

[Aprilthearab]

Here is a more broken down list from previously

Village
AM
Alley
Cray
Sunshine

Weak Village
Zenge
VetSchools
Ace

Neutral
Genny
Dina
April
Kras

???
WildZoo
Lainey
MsP
DrRoRo
Shorty

Wolf-Lean
Visc

Visc is my main wolf-lean right now, but I don’t quite think I’m ready to yeet yet because of the bandwagon that’s forming. Doing some more investigating into the neutrals

Just curious, what's the difference between neutral and ??? to you? I'd also like to hear why those people are where they are to you if you get the chance

 

[genny]

Which isn't exactly satisfactory.

Rereading the thread and revising reads is unsatisfactory? lol

 

[sunshinefl]

YEET Genny

 

[supershorty]

The lack of explanation from sloth, just a new list, and no answer to my question about how weak village vs strong village reads were determined is interesting.

 

[genny]

YEET Genny

Spoiler

 

[Aprilthearab]

Rereading the thread and revising reads is unsatisfactory? lol

I think the problem comes in where you didn't really explain your read changes, especially when it was kind of big changes that indicates something set off your alarm bell and we would like to know what it was.

 

[WildZoo]

Would Lawpy jump in to replace someone who gets mod killed, or would Lawpy only sub in if someone was like "Hi, realized I can't do this because of time, sorry, gotta bail!"?

@kaydubs but based on games we've modded together, the latter

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

The lack of explanation from sloth, just a new list, and no answer to my question about how weak village vs strong village reads were determined is interesting.

I’m working on it right now.

 

[Aprilthearab]

I'm still feeling Sloth is my top wolf lean after their most recent post. If they answer my question and it seems like a legit answer, I might back down off of that for a minute and consider genny. She is typically one that is hard for me to read and nothing she says sticks out in my head when I try to reflect on her gameplay, but in this game, she has responded to pressure by becoming increasingly cryptic and it's giving me the heeby geebies in a way that she never has in her village games.

 

[sunshinefl]

The lack of explanation from sloth, just a new list, and no answer to my question about how weak village vs strong village reads were determined is interesting.

I agree it does seem a little odd, but I also feel that sometimes people get pushed too hard for reads and then get pushed too hard for explanations of those reads and then get chastised about it all. Which is why I said probing too hard isn't always helpful to the village.

 

[genny]

I think the problem comes in where you didn't really explain your read changes, especially when it was kind of big changes that indicates something set off your alarm bell and we would like to know what it was.

you went from neutral to slight wolf lean when I reread and saw ace's comments.

 

[genny]

Which is why I said probing too hard isn't always helpful to the village.

i could do with a little less hard probing

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

she has responded to pressure by becoming increasingly cryptic and it's giving me the heeby geebies in a way that she never has in her village games.

I definitely don’t mean to come off as increasing cryptic, I was trying to provide a read list of the full roaster but may have done so too prematurely as I’ve now dug myself, what seems like, a very large hole.

 

[genny]

also, wolf points for sunshine there.

 

[sunshinefl]

also, wolf points for sunshine there.

for voting for you?

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

Also a lot of the quotes I accumulated this morning somehow went poof, so that’s fun.