There Be Basics WW 2021

[Crayola227]

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I'm back. my mom was supposed to be coming up for dinner but guess who got a text at 8 am saying "see you in an hour!" and i had to frantically clean the house. mama gone, back to WW. 🙂
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agreed

I mean the county I grew up in is San Joaquin and tbh there are more mexico flags in the neighborhood i grew up in than USA flags 🤣 🤣

still reeling, still head over heels and cant stop staring at the SPARKLE RING

I thought this was interesting and wanted to keep this in mind as I keep reading. I know who's morning dead during this catchup btw. My current hmms are sloth, shorty (though I doubt they would be in a pack together, and shorty is admittedly a much weaker suspicion than sloth), ace and dina.

indubitably, watson!
i don't like this comment by lainey, i'm feeling worse about her as time goes on.

esp. in light of AM's village flip, I'd like to keep these interaction posts handy. kras/genny COULD be w/w, but I think myself in circles trying to put an affiliation to kras' tone. alone, i think kras is actually a little LESS chaotic than usual which i don't super like

interesting point paired with my feelings abt Lainey

quoted this bc i agree and also just a placemarker for me reading the lainey/AM interactions. ew fighting.
I think that the frustration from lainey towards AM is NAI, and doesn't put her more wolf or village. What does push her a little more wolfy to me was the frustration (and this was just my interpretation) of AM ISO'ing her, when AM was ISO'ing everyone who interacted w genny that she didn't have as clear.

what's the connection?

this is either some serious bussing (which i don't think is super likely) or v/w. moving shorty back to neutrals for now.

ok, two more pages.

This made me realize I just about forgot Kras is playing. Do. Not. Like.

Also schools feels sort of echo-y.

 

[Crayola227]

I might switch to sloth, I'm picking alley > sloth because I'm having a hard time believing there was no wolves on april's lynch except genny and I'm thinking alley > ace in that regard.

I want to hear alley's new reads since the flip and would like sloth to answer my question about voting for dubz.

This feels very village because it's a good valid point not already made, and the pointed relevant questions.

Very torn on Dina.

 

[Crayola227]

Also want these answers from Sloth and Alley

 

[supershorty]

I’d like to see more from Ace today too. I’m not fully convinced of his just being super noob with tunnel vision vs wolf, but there were some vague statements he’s made that I want more clarification on.

 

[supershorty]

His unwillingness to commit to sloth and the lack of reason behind that really didn’t sit right with me.

 

[Dinashadow]

I’d like to see more from Ace today too. I’m not fully convinced of his just being super noob with tunnel vision vs wolf, but there were some vague statements he’s made that I want more clarification on.

I also want to hear some more reads outside of just april and you (because of your interactions with april). I'm assuming he doesn't believe april is the only wolf lol

 

[supershorty]

I also want to hear some more reads outside of just april and you (because of your interactions with april). I'm assuming he doesn't believe april is the only wolf lol

Well I assume he thinks I’m one with her, but his reasoning seemed to be entirely based on her comment that I wanted to survive longer than last game, which isn’t the most compelling argument I’ve read on this thread.

 

[Crayola227]

#### yeet alley ###

Shorty's point on Ace has me hesitating on Sloth, my other top wolf read. I want to see more from Alley, Ace, Sloth to figure between those 3. Also Lainey and policy sus Kras.

 

[supershorty]

CORRECTION: I just reread my previous comments and got a bit muddled in other details. As per my response to Zenge I do think sloth is suspicious especially following Genny's focus on trying to pin Vis. I am not fully convinced so far based on what I've seen to condemn him to death yet. May change strength as the day goes on following more information from others in this chat

This post seemed like a wolfy slip up and realization of it to me.

 

[Crayola227]

Going to sleep. Should be up before deadline but probably struggling to catch up.

 

[Acehunter123]

This post seemed like a wolfy slip up and realization of it to me.

I can see where you would have that feeling, however, I honestly got muddled in my own thoughts as I wrote the earlier response about Sloth. I thought it best to try and correct the post to reaffirm my position to avoid the potential for misinterpreting how I feel about Sloth. As I could not directly edit the post above it after already submitting it this was the best way I could think of still attaining the same end result. Please let me know if this response clarifies the above situation for you?

 

[Acehunter123]

I am reading through the threads to answer questions that have been posed to me. If I happen to miss one of your questions please reply to this post following my responses over the next few minutes/hour or so. Also apologies for the disappearance yesterday right as things were getting interesting. As April said i was running a D&D session for one of my groups and had the Superbowl right after.

 

[alleycat03]

So when I drunkenly came to read the thread last night, I started on page 23 without realizing I never read past page 18 on Saturday night. So there were several pages I hadn’t read until right now. I have another class starting soon and then I have to go to work (the research insects are so needy ), but I will be back this afternoon to procrastinate my schoolwork with some WW.

For now, I will say that I’ve been sus of sloth for a bit, and I’m not in a pack with them. I’m considering voting for them at the moment, but I want to go back and read the pages I missed before casting a vote. I know Cray and Dina are suspicious of me and I want to get on my laptop and defend myself.

I literally just found out AM and Dubz were killed so I’m pretty confused right now.

 

[Viscernable]

Sorry for being MIA the last 36 hours, busy with homework and class then used all my WW energy on the speed game. I’m off work 4 h before yeet close so I’ll try to get at least some of the thoughts I’m working on posted by 3 h before close. I hate leaving discussion to the last minute and leaving less time to actually discuss but that’s how today is 😕

In summary the POE is wide and I’m not seeing a lot of resistance to any of them. Pretty sure there is a lot of bussing going on today, or at least keeping quiet on packmates. Doesn’t surprise me that wolves are scared of being associated with each other after one already flipped, but I think I’ll have to look much more closely at my notes on D1 discussion and voting.

 

[supershorty]

Shorty's point on Ace has me hesitating on Sloth, my other top wolf read.

Cray, you're probably sleeping at this point and won't see this until much later, but when you come back, can you clarify what you mean by this? I'm not fully following.

 

[Zenge142]

#### yeet alley ###

Shorty's point on Ace has me hesitating on Sloth, my other top wolf read. I want to see more from Alley, Ace, Sloth to figure between those 3. Also Lainey and policy sus Kras.

Can you clarify this?
Why does this have you hesitating on Sloth?

 

[supershorty]

Can you clarify this?
Why does this have you hesitating on Sloth?

Whoa, get out of my head, bruh.

 

[Acehunter123]

Anyone else feel a bit funny about this, or am I reading too far into it, thoughts by the group?

In this post, I am referring to my earlier suspicion that both Wildzoo and AM suspected April earlier. With AM being a lot more suspicious of April and the insinuating feeling that it's strange both individuals died. I personally can't help ut to feel that April may have chosen to have AM killed and someone else in the group also wanted WildZoo killed. On the assumption that as both were killed in similar manners it is likely the result of the same group, I believe referred to as the dragons in this game. As I do not know the mechanism by which these killings are orchestrated this is my current suspicion that may prove valuable over time (at least I think so). I can't help but feel April may have wanted AM removed due to too much suspicion and having WildZoo removed was just an added bonus that she wasn't against. I feel like there could be a link here and although dim it may shed more light later in the game.
(Response to Cray's post earlier asking about my above response for more clarification)

 

[supershorty]

@Acehunter123 I'd like to hear your thoughts on players other than April unless you believe she's the only wolf in the game.

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

i am back, time for catch up

 

[Zenge142]

For now, I will say that I’ve been sus of sloth for a bit, and I’m not in a pack with them.

Are you in a pack with anyone else?

 

[Acehunter123]

I am the most suspicious at this moment of Cray. Also slightly less suspicious of Shorty but still skeptical more based on gut feeling at this exact moment in time based on her previous posts. Would likely support a Cray vote if others share the same suspicion? I can't help but get the feeling from her posts that by, hesitating to vote sloth she seems more suspicious to me. I know this sounds like backward logic but I can't really find the right words at them moment to explain this better

 

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[supershorty]

I am the most suspicious at this moment of Cray.

Why?

 

[Acehunter123]

I am the most suspicious at this moment of Cray. Also slightly less suspicious of Shorty but still skeptical more based on gut feeling at this exact moment in time based on her previous posts. Would likely support a Cray vote if others share the same suspicion? I can't help but get the feeling from her posts that by, hesitating to vote sloth she seems more suspicious to me. I know this sounds like backward logic but I can't really find the right words at them moment to explain this better

Clairification: The lessened suspicion is based on her more recent posts. The gut feeling is making me hesitate to brush her aside as a suspect

 

[Acehunter123]

Why?

Something is rubbing me the wrong way with her posts. I will try my best to explain it after I get a bit of source material to try and show it.

 

[supershorty]

I can't help but get the feeling from her posts that by, hesitating to vote sloth she seems more suspicious to me.

This is really odd reasoning when you yourself are hesitating to vote sloth.

 

[supershorty]

Something is rubbing me the wrong way with her posts.

Is it, perhaps, that she's wolf-reading you and that makes you uncomfortable? I'd encourage you to post reasoning with your reads, rather than relying on these "gut feelings" like you have been.

 

[Acehunter123]

Is it, perhaps, that she's wolf-reading you and that makes you uncomfortable? I'd encourage you to post reasoning with your reads, rather than relying on these "gut feelings" like you have been.

I am not uncomfortable with being a suspect based on my own previous responses that have been rather vague in nature. I know that "gut feelings" are a hard thing to try and justify, however, at the moment none of my feelings based on my gut have yet been proven wrong. I know this could be a coincidence, however, two of Crays wolf reads were also the two individuals (likely) targeted by the wolves in her earlier post seen below:

I've thrown so much shade it's hard to keep track. Let me know if I miss any major points I made on players.

Sloth - vote on alley "following" pinged my 'dar
Visc - overexplainy
WZ - called out visc, but could be wolfy
AM - called out April, that could be wolfy
April - "salt" vote reasoning was weak sauce
Dina - called out by Dubz for lurking, feels like Village Dubz there but ddx is Wolf Dubz tossing shade
Sunny - feels somewhere in the middle of last (and only) wolf meta and village meta (yes, not good use of the term meta but you gotta know a term before you get to abuse it)
Shorty - I called out for maybe buddying noobs a la April last game
Vetschools - not much substance yet, sketch with "helpful" tally earlier

Any shade I tossed that I forgot? I see I included shade tossed by others in my list. But I added my own commentary on what I made of said shade and shader

Again could be coincidence but it feels strange, more to come in a moment...

 

[Aprilthearab]

Something is rubbing me the wrong way with her posts. I will try my best to explain it after I get a bit of source material to try and show it.

I sussed Cray a lot when I first played with her too. Then she flipped village, and I realized (along with a few other noobs) that her gameplay is just different than most others but it's NAI. Cray is telling the truth here:

I used to be some of the favorite wolf bait because I was highly yeetable. I still feel that way but I think the wolf vets have moved away from that with the site meta and prefer to leave me to the noobs. I think I am sketch if you don't know me, and it looks better for them I think not to push it.

 

[Acehunter123]

This is really odd reasoning when you yourself are hesitating to vote sloth.

I do acknowledge this I know it seems like backwards logic even to me, that I should suspect one who also hesitates to vote based on their reading of the interaction between Shorty and Me.

 

[Dinashadow]

So when I drunkenly came to read the thread last night, I started on page 23 without realizing I never read past page 18 on Saturday night. So there were several pages I hadn’t read until right now. I have another class starting soon and then I have to go to work (the research insects are so needy ), but I will be back this afternoon to procrastinate my schoolwork with some WW.

For now, I will say that I’ve been sus of sloth for a bit, and I’m not in a pack with them. I’m considering voting for them at the moment, but I want to go back and read the pages I missed before casting a vote. I know Cray and Dina are suspicious of me and I want to get on my laptop and defend myself.

I literally just found out AM and Dubz were killed so I’m pretty confused right now.

Wolfey slip?

🤔

 

[Acehunter123]

I sussed Cray a lot when I first played with her too. Then she flipped village, and I realized (along with a few other noobs) that her gameplay is just different than most others but it's NAI. Cray is telling the truth here:

While I am inclined to follow her explanation and it does not sit great that you are the one trying to suggest the fact that my suspicion based on being a noob may be misplaced, as you are also still one of my highest suspects as well.

 

[Dinashadow]

I am the most suspicious at this moment of Cray. Also slightly less suspicious of Shorty but still skeptical more based on gut feeling at this exact moment in time based on her previous posts. Would likely support a Cray vote if others share the same suspicion? I can't help but get the feeling from her posts that by, hesitating to vote sloth she seems more suspicious to me. I know this sounds like backward logic but I can't really find the right words at them moment to explain this better

Can you clarify this? I thought you were most sus of april?

 

[Aprilthearab]

I am the most suspicious at this moment of Cray. Also slightly less suspicious of Shorty but still skeptical more based on gut feeling at this exact moment in time based on her previous posts. Would likely support a Cray vote if others share the same suspicion? I can't help but get the feeling from her posts that by, hesitating to vote sloth she seems more suspicious to me. I know this sounds like backward logic but I can't really find the right words at them moment to explain this better

You also hesitated to vote sloth. Does that make you a wolf too?

 

[Acehunter123]

Can you clarify this? I thought you were most sus of april?

More suspicious based on her most recent responses in these last two pages. Especially the same statement that both Shorty and Zenge asked for clarification over

 

[Dinashadow]

Regarding NKs, I would bet money that WZ was strong arm killed due to suspicions of having a PR based on what genny was pushing a few days ago

 

[Acehunter123]

You also hesitated to vote sloth. Does that make you a wolf too?

1) That's on the assumption that Sloth is a wolf
2) My hesitation is because I want to see more from her before I make the decision that aligns with others I am suspicious of like yourself

 

[Dinashadow]

Regarding NKs, I would bet money that WZ was strong arm killed due to suspicions of having a PR based on what genny was pushing a few days ago

I'm mentioning this because NKs have been brought up and I don't think we can evaluate who is a wolf based on the WZ kill.

 

[Acehunter123]

I'm mentioning this because NKs have been brought up and I don't think we can evaluate who is a wolf based on the WZ kill.

Could you please inform me as to what NK means? Not sure what the abbreviation is for?

 

[Dinashadow]

Also there are a lot of votes hanging in the air right now and that makes me nervous

 

[Aprilthearab]

I know this could be a coincidence, however, two of Crays wolf reads were also the two individuals (likely) targeted by the wolves in her earlier post seen below:

It would be pretty stupid for a wolf to kill their own wolf reads. Wolves fabricate their reads so if Cray was intending on killing someone, I think she would know better than to actively suspect them on the thread as well.

 

[Aprilthearab]

Could you please inform me as to what NK means? Not sure what the abbreviation is for?

Night kill

 

[Acehunter123]

Night kill

Ah, I see thanks

 

[Acehunter123]

It would be pretty stupid for a wolf to kill their own wolf reads. Wolves fabricate their reads so if Cray was intending on killing someone, I think she would know better than to actively suspect them on the thread as well.

Or maybe that's exactly what she thought when she posted the list which is why she thought more experienced players may think it was too obvious of a slip up to include it thereby making it seem like a harmless, purposeless comment? (I could be wrong, but I just can't help but see it as a strange coincidence)

 

[Dinashadow]

Ah, I see thanks

If you go to the first post by KD there should be a link on there for common WW terminology/abbreviations!

 

[PhiloslothicalStudent]

I’ll be looking into who was up last night and in the early morning. I feel like someone is trying to frame me. Like they saw Am and I arguing and then they thought ahhh perfect I’ll kill AM so it looks like I did it

This read as a little sus to me, on one hand I feel this would not be the smartest move on behalf of the wolves, but it can also be interpreted as Lainey trying to draw attention off of herself. I feel AM and Dubz were yeeted cause they are some of the most active players, I feel the wolves probably theorized that they would have a better chance of winning with them gone, i don’t think it had anything to do with the AM/Lainey feud that occurred before the morning write-up. Kaydubs also said no early close so the wolfs could have even chosen AM before the feud happened????

Sloth can you explain why you went with dubz? It feels completely out of left field based on your reads. Feels like you were trying to hedge towards being sus of wolf genny as more votes were added on her and it looked like she was going down, but then you wanted to stay completely off the wagons to avoid suspicions on you later

So yes, guilty as charged. I was hesitant on the genny vote because it felt like the easy vote, which I believe April said could also be said for those who are hesitating to vote for me (during this day cycle). I was also not feeling very strong about April around the yeet close deadline, and yes dubz was a challenge for me to read but I was not really feeling the wagons that had formed at that point, so yes it was an out in left field vote.

I could be wrong, but I just feel like it seems too easy and too obvious to yeet them currently. I will be monitoring for now though incase I get any more drive to do so.

Just noting this here, this is how I felt about genny in the previous day cycle

This makes me narrow my eyes going hmmm about sloth.

I quoted 2 posts from April where she agrees that Alley is a challenge to read, not sure why this is so sus?

but I do agree I have a hard time telling apart village Alley from wolf Alley

Alley wasn't worrying me yesterday but I'm keeping an eye on her, especially because I village read her for an entire game the last time she was wolf.

Currently wanting to look into Lainey and Alley more, I originally was leaning village on Alley, but with her previous wolf performances I need to evaluate more closely. For Lainey, I am not too sure, she seems slightly sus, but I am also still pretty new at this, so I can see where she may be strggling to form arguments and keep up as I still do, will need to keep a closer eye on her

 

[Acehunter123]

I would really lik

If you go to the first post by KD there should be a link on there for common WW terminology/abbreviations!

Thank you!

 

[Aprilthearab]

I personally can't help ut to feel that April may have chosen to have AM killed and someone else in the group also wanted WildZoo killed.

Do you have a thought about who would want WZ dead?

 

[Acehunter123]

I would really lik

Thank you!

Whoops ignore the above partial statement as it was an unfinished thought that was supposed to say I would love to hear more from Sloth and Vis