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Acehunter123 said:
Or maybe that's exactly what she thought when she posted the list which is why she thought more experienced players may think it was too obvious of a slip up to include it thereby making it seem like a harmless, purposeless comment? (I could be wrong, but I just can't help but see it as a strange coincidence)
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That's getting into WIFOM, but I can say, knowing Cray, she is very cautious when she wolfs and I don't think it would be like her to do that.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Do you have a thought about who would want WZ dead?
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I'm not sure other than the fact that to me she seemed the least suspicious. Maybe the dragons also thought so too so they removed her? That or maybe she is very good at the game and as soon as they realized she wasn't part of them they wanted her removed. All in all not sure, you would likely know better than me though...
 
Aprilthearab said:
That's getting into WIFOM, but I can say, knowing Cray, she is very cautious when she wolfs and I don't think it would be like her to do that.
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Again, as I already suspect you to be a dragon at this point. you are really not helping her case, unfortunately.
 
Have to do some coursework, I will be back later for more engaging discussions and deliberations.
 
Aprilthearab said:
Others are more than welcome to weigh in on Cray's meta too
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I can't remember the last game I played where she wolfed, but her posts have been reading village!cray to me. Take that with a grain of salt though. I'm sure she's well aware of what people consider to be her village/wolf meta and acts accordingly when she's a wolf
 
Aprilthearab said:
Others are more than welcome to weigh in on Cray's meta too
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Okay. Some people put everyone in the village category and move them into neutral or wolf as they become more sus. Some people start everyone in neutral and move them up or down as the game progresses.

Cray on the other hand assumes everyone is a wolf, and you’ve got to work really hard to prove otherwise. But if you work too hard, thats also sus.

Cray’s meta comes across as a survivalist in a post apocalyptic world, whose stuck in a Mexican standoff, only she’s holding all the guns.

I don’t think it’s wolfy, I think it comes from playing experience, and being stabbed in the back too many times by people she trusted to be village.

But it’s also only my 2nd game (2.5 if you count the speed game), so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
 
Acehunter123 said:
I am not uncomfortable with being a suspect based on my own previous responses that have been rather vague in nature. I know that "gut feelings" are a hard thing to try and justify, however, at the moment none of my feelings based on my gut have yet been proven wrong.
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None of them have been proven right either.

Logic solves WW games, not gut feelings. Perhaps you should ISO some of your wolf reads and provide quotes to back up what you're saying.
 
Stay Cool, It's Only Day 2 Yeet Tally
Philosloth (3) - supershorty, sunshine, vetschools
alleycat (2) - Dina, Cray

5/14

Leading: ---
Missing: most

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Yeet/Vote closes at 10pm Eastern, TODAY, Monday, 2/8/2021 (~7.75 HOURS)
 
Zenge142 said:
Cray’s meta comes across as a survivalist in a post apocalyptic world, whose stuck in a Mexican standoff, only she’s holding all the guns.
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Omg this image is cracking me up

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Crayola227 said:
This really rubs me wrong.

Not sure what is so profound about this thought that it's good evidence of wolfhunting/village-ness. I mean, it's a good point but still.

It's extremely easy for wolves to tell lies that make sense and the truth, because they know a lot more about what is going on in the game than we do. Don't fall into that trap.
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I gave her some village cred because I agreed with it, and because I didn't think a wolf would say something I believed to be true about the composition of the remaining pack. I didn't super clear her.

Also, you have a habit of questioning how I assign village points. And every time I can think of that you did that, I and the person I gave them to flipped village.
supershorty said:
Whoa, get out of my head, bruh.
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haha Z ninja'ed you
Acehunter123 said:
I am the most suspicious at this moment of Cray. Also slightly less suspicious of Shorty but still skeptical more based on gut feeling at this exact moment in time based on her previous posts. Would likely support a Cray vote if others share the same suspicion? I can't help but get the feeling from her posts that by, hesitating to vote sloth she seems more suspicious to me. I know this sounds like backward logic but I can't really find the right words at them moment to explain this better
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I have Cray as ??? and you as wolf lean, so I am unlikely to follow you from a vote on Sloth, who i think is a wolf, to a Cray vote. Although I do I understand your analysis and think about things the same way (but that's more like I think you play similar to me, not that I trust you in this particular game).
Acehunter123 said:
Again, as I already suspect you to be a dragon at this point. you are really not helping her case, unfortunately.
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Did this bleed over from D&D? Or did KD combine space, pirates, and dragons in this game....
Zenge142 said:
Okay. Some people put everyone in the village category and move them into neutral or wolf as they become more sus. Some people start everyone in neutral and move them up or down as the game progresses.

Cray on the other hand assumes everyone is a wolf, and you’ve got to work really hard to prove otherwise. But if you work too hard, thats also sus.

Cray’s meta comes across as a survivalist in a post apocalyptic world, whose stuck in a Mexican standoff, only she’s holding all the guns.

I don’t think it’s wolfy, I think it comes from playing experience, and being stabbed in the back too many times by people she trusted to be village.

But it’s also only my 2nd game (2.5 if you count the speed game), so take my opinion with a grain of salt.
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This is an exceptional description of Cray. As before, you were able to put something into words so eloquently that I agree with but wouldn't have been able to state so clearly.
 
sunshinefl said:
Did this bleed over from D&D? Or did KD combine space, pirates, and dragons in this game....
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I had a bet riding on whether you were going to get to the end of the thread and chide me for interrogating too much again and I lost.

I think the comment that your quoted part refers to is another example of what I'd said earlier in the thread, where Ace gets hung up on little things that aren't significant and I don't know if it's intentional misdirection or not. Whether the wolves are called wolves or dragons really doesn't mean anything, but he's latched onto genny being called a dragon wolf. Now, I'm not saying that the mechanisms behind manner of death aren't important - they can be to figure out if there's more than 1 role killing - but so far in this game, there hasn't been anything on that front.
 
supershorty said:
I had a bet riding on whether you were going to get to the end of the thread and chide me for interrogating too much again and I lost.
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haha so IRL I've had a terrible day.
Slept 2 hours, drove 3 (was supposed to be 2 hour drive but hit some interstate 0-10mph traffic), went to my prison rotation, got off a little early in the afternoon (the only good part of my day!), got to the provided housing, and it was infested with cockroaches which I have a visceral reaction to. I sat outside holding my pee and pondering my predicament for a while. Finally decided to book a hotel and the brand I always go with (IHG) their member login wasn't working. I had like 45 tabs open trying to book a hotel. Gave up on IHG and looked at an extended stay hotel nearby. Read the reviews: cockroaches. So I said to myself, why pay for something i have for free (roaches). So I tried IHG website again, and then called to book the reservation. Stopped at Wawa on the way to get my favorite frozen drink (cream caramel chocolate chip) but saw a special valentines day edition with chocolate and strawberries so I picked that (it's not good). Got to the hotel and had 5 bags and hangers and drinks i was juggling in one trip. Got checked in and fumbled my way to the room, key didn't work. Abandoned the bags at the door that didn't have valuables in them and went back to check in. They "fixed" it, only when i got back the key still didn't work. Repeat 2 more times until they finally came up with me and then tried a new key card which worked. Got in the room and it was 73 degrees (I like 67 so I was roasting). Internet is slow and keeps buffering.
TLDR: bad, long day. Then I came on and thought I was going to have a lot to catch up on, and as I read I saw multiple people (not just you) repeatedly questioning him and I thought to myself yeah yeah he's sketchy we all get it let's move on. I just didn't have the willpower anymore.
 
I feel like I'm going to fall asleep soon. I don't know if it will be 1 hour, 5 hours, or 12 hours. But continue the Yeet sloth campaign. She is the wolfiest suspect and I'm comfortable keeping my vote there in case I don't make it back. Also, I don't normally like the "more information from a flip" yeet, but In case some of you do, I think Sloth is wolfy and has been the topic of much discussion so double win for intrinsic sketchiness and extrinsic interaction info.

I think the remaining pack is sloth, ace, +/- a 4th wolf
 
sunshinefl said:
I feel like I'm going to fall asleep soon. I don't know if it will be 1 hour, 5 hours, or 12 hours. But continue the Yeet sloth campaign. She is the wolfiest suspect and I'm comfortable keeping my vote there in case I don't make it back. Also, I don't normally like the "more information from a flip" yeet, but In case some of you do, I think Sloth is wolfy and has been the topic of much discussion so double win for intrinsic sketchiness and extrinsic interaction info.

I think the remaining pack is sloth, ace, +/- a 4th wolf
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What's your read on Alley, Kras, and Vis?
 
sunshinefl said:
Visc: village
Alley: weak village
Kras: ???

my possible suspects for 4th wolf/wolf in general if my other 2 are wrong: Lainey, Alley, Kras, Cray, Dina
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Alley and Kras: I'm agreeing with some of their posts but they're also both not contributing a lot
Visc: was 4th vote on Genny between 2-4 hours out (based on my notes) and was the vote of Genny for a long time
Lainey: was last vote on Genny/possible bus
Dina: with the exception of her weird last minute switch to April, she has largely seemed village and I have agreed with a lot of her points. That was just so suspect.
Cray: tinfoil case as I outlined yesterday
 
Zenge142 said:
@kraskadva You’ve been awfully quiet. I’d like to get your current reads on Cray, Sloth, April, Dina, Shorty, and Alley.
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Cray - reading village to me, but if anyone would know to off AM & Dubz N1 as a wolf, it would be her, so not totally in the clear there
Sloth - v quiet...
Dina - IDK, tough for me to read, but not sticking out as sus to me
Shorty - sounds like genuine wolfhunting
Alley - also v quiet...
 
kraskadva said:
Cray - reading village to me, but if anyone would know to off AM & Dubz N1 as a wolf, it would be her, so not totally in the clear there
Sloth - v quiet...
Dina - IDK, tough for me to read, but not sticking out as sus to me
Shorty - sounds like genuine wolfhunting
Alley - also v quiet...
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On a quick scan back through today's posts...
 
kraskadva said:
Cray - reading village to me, but if anyone would know to off AM & Dubz N1 as a wolf, it would be her, so not totally in the clear there
Sloth - v quiet...
Dina - IDK, tough for me to read, but not sticking out as sus to me
Shorty - sounds like genuine wolfhunting
Alley - also v quiet...
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You left me out? 🤔
 
Well, good thing there's a few hours until yeet closes for people to get caught up on posting minimums and such. There's only so much that the small handful of us who have been really active can talk about if everyone else stays really quiet :shrug:
 
@acehunter I recognize that you've been thrown into the game and might not have as much guidance as most of us noobs did in the noob game. So, if you're village, I hope you pay close attention to this post and actually follow through with the recommendations. [I also recognize that a few people are likely to read this post as "wow what a helpful wolf!" but for real I just want Ace to have the basis for real contribution in case he just doesn't know how to do so.]

First and foremost, drill this into your head:
supershorty said:
Logic solves WW games, not gut feelings. Perhaps you should ISO some of your wolf reads and provide quotes to back up what you're saying.
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There are some solid things you should incorporate into your reads to give them a much better basis than a gut feeling.
Votes: Who/when/why someone votes or changes votes.
Reads: Who/when/why someone reads someone a certain way or changes reads.
Interactions: Who is fighting, who is getting along, who agrees with who, who ignores who.
Originality: Who leads discussion versus who sheeps or echoes others.
Logic: Who is pulling quotes and thinking hard and making sense versus those who are just saying things they feel like. --> The latter is you and is why people are reading you wolfy.

Watch out for people who say one thing and do another. Watch out for people who quietly place their votes in a popular wagon, especially when that wagon flips village. Watch out for people who seem to be saying a lot but aren't posting things of real sustenance (oops, maybe me here). Obviously, usually it is not this straightforward - try to read between the lines.

When analyzing people, ask yourself - "Is this helpful to village?" "What are their underlying motivations?" Wolves can look a lot like villagers at a glance. For example, you could say "Ah, Lainey voted for Genny and Genny flipped wolf, so that means Lainey must be village." But you should delve deeper into the motivation behind it - "Ah, Lainey voted for Genny but very close to yeet close. Lainey might be a wolf who tried to protect Genny until she realized it was a lost cause so tried to get village cred for yeeting a wolf."

Make sure YOU are also helpful to village.
Don't be cryptic about your reads. Be as straightforward as possible. "I am reading this person village/neutral/wolf because _____ and I think their motivations are village/neutral/wolfy because ______." If your reads change, explain that too. Sorted lists are always helpful so you and others can refer to it quickly. Try not to get tunnel vision on only one or two people.

This isn't meant to be a comprehensive guide, just some things to help the logic flow.
 
Aprilthearab said:
@acehunter I recognize that you've been thrown into the game and might not have as much guidance as most of us noobs did in the noob game. So, if you're village, I hope you pay close attention to this post and actually follow through with the recommendations. [I also recognize that a few people are likely to read this post as "wow what a helpful wolf!" but for real I just want Ace to have the basis for real contribution in case he just doesn't know how to do so.]
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This is very nice!April but I think you tagged the wrong acehunter @Acehunter123
 
Zenge142 said:
@Dinashadow if you were April, who would you vote for?
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Depends if I was village or wolf lol. But if I was village april, I'd probably be more likely to vote for someone on my wagon from D1 (which could be me, tbf)

I don't know though. Probably alley to put a little more pressure there since she hasn't shown up yet and then I could re-evaluate if she does.
 
supershorty said:
I'm very curious to see where my other wolfy reads place their votes in the next couple hours.
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It just makes me more suspicious if you hold your votes until last minute. It's not village to sit there and wait, especially if there's little discussion going on. If you're village and still deciding you'd be pushing people for reads, asking questions, and analyzing the thread. If you're a wolf you're waiting for village to put their chips down and then deciding what vote will be best for the pack.
 
Dinashadow said:
But if I was village april, I'd probably be more likely to vote for someone on my wagon from D1 (which could be me, tbf)
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Well, that would be the vengeful thing to do, lol. In all honesty, I'm not really feeling strong about anyone on my D1 wagon. Obviously Genny already flipped wolf. AM flipped village. I don't know how to feel about Alley because she's leaning toward my wolfy list but I haven't heard a lot from her. I'm very conflicted about you because you did switch to me very late in the night but otherwise everything I've heard from you is pointing village, and I'm thinking maybe waffle craze took over you, but I'm keeping it in the back of my head.

I still think Sloth was super wolfy the other day and hasn't given me a reason to think otherwise since then. I could absolutely vote there, but I'm not sure I've heard anyone defend Sloth, which worries me because I don't think the wolves would just let another wolf slip through the cracks so easily.

Thinking about Lainey and also realize there are quite a number of people I haven't thought about in depth yet.
 
Dinashadow said:
Depends if I was village or wolf lol. But if I was village april, I'd probably be more likely to vote for someone on my wagon from D1 (which could be me, tbf)

I don't know though. Probably alley to put a little more pressure there since she hasn't shown up yet and then I could re-evaluate if she does.
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Are you saying your vote is on Alley to put pressure on, and that if she shows up, you’ll re-evaluate?

Where would you move your vote to?
 
Aprilthearab said:
I'm not sure I've heard anyone defend Sloth, which worries me because I don't think the wolves would just let another wolf slip through the cracks so easily.
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I haven't even heard Sloth defend Sloth, to be honest.
 
Zenge142 said:
Are you saying your vote is on Alley to put pressure on, and that if she shows up, you’ll re-evaluate?

Where would you move your vote to?
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No I think Alley is a wolf, but you asked me what I'd do if I was april. I think april had said earlier she wasn't sure about alley, so I was speaking in terms of that.

I'm fine with either alley or sloth flipping. I mentioned earlier why I chose alley over sloth. I guess my vote is also now a pressure vote in a way because she's been very absent this cycle. I also don't think it's advantageous for all of us to pile on one person because I think it makes it easier for wolves to hide in the vote
 
Aprilthearab said:
I could absolutely vote there, but I'm not sure I've heard anyone defend Sloth, which worries me because I don't think the wolves would just let another wolf slip through the cracks so easily.
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If you were a wolf, hypothetically, what would you say here to defend Sloth? What would be your strategy?
 
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