There Be Basics WW 2021

[Zenge142]

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Just AM's wording there reminded me of that brutal first episode. I love that show but so much yikes.

Ah! Haha.

 

[Viscernable]

I definitely agree with wolf leans on sloth and AM for sure but unsure about Dina rn.

Why AM and not Dina? I think I remember you giving reasoning for sloth earlier, but if I recall correctly your village read of Dina was mostly tonal. I agree that her tone seems village and similar to last game, but we’ve only played one game with her so personally I’m not inclined to put much stock in my ability to read her. You mentioned that you find AM sus on baseline based on her aggression. If that’s why you’re reading her as more wolfy than Dina, I think you should reconsider. Village AM is aggressive, too, as you experienced last game lmao. AM was always neutral on genny and sus of april from what I have in my notes, so her voting April feels a bit less worrisome to me than Dina, who was sus of April but also reading genny wolfy.

 

[LaineyLou]

Why AM and not Dina? I think I remember you giving reasoning for sloth earlier, but if I recall correctly your village read of Dina was mostly tonal. I agree that her tone seems village and similar to last game, but we’ve only played one game with her so personally I’m not inclined to put much stock in my ability to read her. You mentioned that you find AM sus on baseline based on her aggression. If that’s why you’re reading her as more wolfy than Dina, I think you should reconsider. Village AM is aggressive, too, as you experienced last game lmao. AM was always neutral on genny and sus of april from what I have in my notes, so her voting April feels a bit less worrisome to me than Dina, who was sus of April but also reading genny wolfy.

It’s not because her aggression, it’s more of her not calling out Gennys self pres vote. (Which I think I understand better now)

 

[Crayola227]

I totally disagree with you guys about the AM not calling out genny self prez thing. I think because you're not understanding the nuances about self prez and timing. She explained earlier and it made sense to more than me I think.

Not trying to defend Midwife as far as her affiliation but it matters to me if people are understanding WW theory. What AM called out about self prez in a past game was not present here.

 

[Crayola227]

It started for me the way she sat on MsP all day and when I asked about it tried to play it off like she was getting a lot of data from people's reactions about it. But she wasn't questioning or pressing people like I expected.

 

[Viscernable]

I also felt like she was actively avoiding commenting on my Genny read. I really felt like, I was pushing Genny kind of hard and AM just seemed to dance around it. Like she didn’t pile on with me, which I would expect Village!AM to do, if she agreed with my assessment, or disagree with me if she disagreed. Instead I think she danced around it without ever really diving in, because she’s a wolf and didn’t want to yeet her own pack mate, but also couldn’t defend Genny without looking sus herself.

That's an interesting perspective. A few people have mentioned they think AM feels off because she's posting less and I was like, no, she's definitely here and definitely posting... So I think you pinned down what actually feels off. It makes me think of when WZ mentioned AM not having strong opinions in this game, which is unlike village AM. Does not feel w/w, thinking v/w with leaning towards WZ village and AM wolfy.

Hm. I have always felt like I trust AM too easily and it would eventually get me pocketed by her so maybe this is that game. I’ll keep these in mind.

I didn't just make one comment on genny. And I'm not good at commenting on other wolves when I wolf, or bussing. I have definitely tried to go down with a late quiet vote on a fellow packmate though.

The whole thing with genny makes me look sus and for very little gain. Not how I would have played it knowing. And that's the whole thing, I didn't know, so I couldn't play it "better."

You’ve said as much in earlier games you were village in and none of the people you’ve played with many times seem to disagree, so I’m inclined to believe it. I see your point, boldy bussing early and defending late doesn’t really fit your wolf meta. Of course there’s always the WIFOM argument that you may have done something unexpected and high risk/low reward to be able to make this argument, but honestly I’m just not getting a wolf read from your posts and if you haven’t felt comfortable changing up your wolf playstyle before, it seems unlikely you would now.

 

[Animal Midwife]

genny/kras interactions & mentions

And now, for my next trick, I will disappear for like 8h, cuz I gotta teach some lil baby docs how to do physical exams

Idk sounds wolfy to me. Do human doctors actually do physical exams? 😉

Only when we don't have radiation handy 😎

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so far, cray sounds fine, dubz sounds like she's excited about her role which makes me worry about 3P, and i'm wondering why kras and AM haven't had a fight yet.

I would like for "AM and kras aren't fighting" not to be used as an excuse for a legitimate read. 1) because it clearly has no bearing on their affiliations - we know they do it as v/v, we know they do it as v/w, they could easily replicate it as w/w and 2) I like the not fighting

AMEN

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Besides the brief ones I posted earlier? Sure.

AM is doing the bare minimum to stay just on the village side of neutral. Cray sounds village. You sound village.

Vis hasn't been as aggressive as I'd expect for village. April's bf says she's wolfy. Dina seems awful lurky, which she has been in the past as a wolf.

Dubz isn't village, but good luck yeeting her if she's a wolf.

🤔

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i can't type or count unofficial d1 yeet tally

April (3) - alleycat, Viscernable, Acehunter
AM () -
Dina () -
alleycat () -
DubZ (1) - kras
kras () -
Philosloth (1)- supershorty
MsP (2) - Dina, AM
Viscernable (3) - Crayola, DubZ, genny
supershorty (1) - DrRoRo
genny (1) - Zenge
ace (1)- schools

yeet close in ~5.5 hrs
missing April, Lainey, MsP, sloth, sunshine, visc

I don't like the look of those wagons. While I get the sus of april, an entirely noob(-ish) wagon feels like a misyeet. Conversely, genny/cray/dubz all agreeing on Vis while sussing each other on thread feels like a setup

I'm not suspicious of cray, and genny voted after me, which I already called her out for

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I agree it does seem a little odd, but I also feel that sometimes people get pushed too hard for reads and then get pushed too hard for explanations of those reads and then get chastised about it all. Which is why I said probing too hard isn't always helpful to the village.

i could do with a little less hard probing

or more

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It started as a joke, but I think imma leave my vote where it is on dubz for now. There's something there.

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Kras hasn't done much yet. She said yesterday she was teaching M1s and today she was doing errands or something. I'm waiting for her to actually come on and say something.

Caught up now, who do you wanna hear about?

more about Genny, WZ, Cray

In general so far, it kinda feels like many people are trying to switch up their meta, or still establishing one, so there's a lot of static for me in what's been posted so far.

Genny's being a tisch more jokey and chaotic that usual, but nothing that's stuck out to me as particularly sus yet
Dubz is definitely excited to be here...but whether to read that through genny's lens of possibly 3P role, or as any of the potentially NAI reasons April listed, IDK yet
Cray feels the most normal, typical meta, village!cray out of anybody

 

[Animal Midwife]

genny/kras interactions & mentions

Mostly dodging and jokey. Stayed away from leading wagons for some reason. Will keep in POE.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm going to be working on this for probably the next couple hours. So before everyone disappears, do you want my own interactions with genny or will you be doing your own research?

 

[Crayola227]

Kras tunnel from AM. Trying to decide if AI vs does she have a valid point?

Also don't want the discussion to turn into only talking about Midwife, which is clearly difficult for me lol.

 

[sunshinefl]

I forgot Genny said that about Dina... insurance in case 1 of them flipped? Or more reassurance that Dina was just a mislead villager?

genny said:
Besides the brief ones I posted earlier? Sure.

AM is doing the bare minimum to stay just on the village side of neutral. Cray sounds village. You sound village.

Vis hasn't been as aggressive as I'd expect for village. April's bf says she's wolfy. Dina seems awful lurky, which she has been in the past as a wolf.

Dubz isn't village, but good luck yeeting her if she's a wolf.

 

[Crayola227]

I forgot Genny said that about Dina... insurance in case 1 of them flipped? Or more reassurance that Dina was just a mislead villager?

genny said:
Besides the brief ones I posted earlier? Sure.

AM is doing the bare minimum to stay just on the village side of neutral. Cray sounds village. You sound village.

Vis hasn't been as aggressive as I'd expect for village. April's bf says she's wolfy. Dina seems awful lurky, which she has been in the past as a wolf.

Dubz isn't village, but good luck yeeting her if she's a wolf.

Ugh the issue here is vagueness and everything she said, is both essentially true and NAI. She's not really taking a stand on anyone in this particular game as much as referencing meta.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't expect anything genny said to be at all useful for hunting her other packmates, that's one of her talents as a wolf. More useful I expect is what other said to/about her.

 

[sunshinefl]

I'm going to be working on this for probably the next couple hours. So before everyone disappears, do you want my own interactions with genny or will you be doing your own research?

both. In case I miss something and also so I can judge what you skip.

 

[Crayola227]

The way supershorty popped up around deadline wigged me out. Can't remember where her vote was guess I could go look

 

[Zenge142]

Also don't want the discussion to turn into only talking about Midwife, which is clearly difficult for me lol.

If it helps, I’m not letting go of my Sloth suspicions.

 

[Crayola227]

I'm going to be working on this for probably the next couple hours. So before everyone disappears, do you want my own interactions with genny or will you be doing your own research?

I would love to see what you would present.

 

[sunshinefl]

The way supershorty popped up around deadline wigged me out. Can't remember where her vote was guess I could go look

I don't know if it's comprehensive, but she did vote Genny early with Zenge, and then hopped off her around when I put the vote on her. Her final vote was for Sloth which she sat on a while.

 

[Crayola227]

I don't know if it's comprehensive, but she did vote Genny early with Zenge, and then hopped off her around when I put the vote on her. Her final vote was for Sloth which she sat on a while.

That doesn't feel like a noob wolf move to have voted genny like that, but maybe I'm projecting how much it freaks me out to place a vote on a fellow wolf unless I'm truly desperate.

 

[supershorty]

The way supershorty popped up around deadline wigged me out. Can't remember where her vote was guess I could go look

🤔
I voted kras as a joke initially, then was on genny early, and then moved my vote to sloth when their reads posts sketched me out more than genny had, but it wasn’t a last minute change. I’m still very sus of sloth.

 

[sunshinefl]

current spreadsheet in case I wake up and I'm dead *sigh*

edit: no order yet within a category

Spoiler: spreadsheet

Spoiler: non-comprehensive yeet votes

 

[supershorty]

Is the search function being wonky for anyone else? It’s not loading most of the thread when I try to ISO.

why am I still awake, I told myself I was going to bed hours ago

 

[Crayola227]

🤔
I voted kras as a joke initially, then was on genny early, and then moved my vote to sloth when their reads posts sketched me out more than genny had, but it wasn’t a last minute change. I’m still very sus of sloth.

I'm rereading thread and also still sus of sloth as well.

On rereading having a helluva time deciding what I make of AM or April really, except April has moved down the wolf list. I still see what all seemed wolfy about her at the time, but seriously questioning all of it and everyone questioning her is all.

 

[sunshinefl]

Is the search function being wonky for anyone else? It’s not loading most of the thread when I try to ISO.

why am I still awake, I told myself I was going to bed hours ago

yeah it doesn't show posts past like 20 hours ago or something. Super annoying

 

[Crayola227]

I think if you're right about AM being a wolf it is a serious case of right wolf WRONG reason. I'm not wanting to oversell the case on her, but I feel I could point out like 5 or 6 things she did that is WAY more sus than the fact she didn't go after genny for self prez - remember genny's "self prez" was trying to get everyone on the vote she was on ALL DAY. That's not even the definition of a self prez vote, which is where Midwife gets picky how it's done. AM is being internally consistent that there was nothing for her to call out - ON THAT. Here's one for you - I would not expect AM to fault that genny was trying to get people to vote elsewhere, but that she didn't call out genny's lack of good argument, AM didn't call out her lack of wolf hunting and that is weird.

 

[supershorty]

yeah it doesn't show posts past like 20 hours ago or something. Super annoying

I’m having the opposite problem, it’s only showing me older posts. Maybe it’s my phone trying to make me actually go to sleep at a reasonable hour.

 

[Zenge142]

yeah it doesn't show posts past like 20 hours ago or something. Super annoying

Weird. I have the opposite problem where all of my search results are exclusively old posts. Nothing from the last 20 hours shows up.

 

[supershorty]

Maybe it’s something with the wifi in our house since zenges and I are ninjaing each other now 😂

 

[sunshinefl]

I think if you're right about AM being a wolf it is a serious case of right wolf WRONG reason. I'm not wanting to oversell the case on her, but I feel I could point out like 5 or 6 things she did that is WAY more sus than the fact she didn't go after genny for self prez - remember genny's "self prez" was trying to get everyone on the vote she was on ALL DAY. That's not even the definition of a self prez vote, which is where Midwife gets picky how it's done. AM is being internally consistent that there was nothing for her to call out - ON THAT. Here's one for you - I would not expect AM to fault that genny was trying to get people to vote elsewhere, but that she didn't call out genny's lack of good argument, AM didn't call out her lack of wolf hunting and that is weird.

Wrong, Genny was on Visc ALL DAY. and "self prez"'ed to April with almost 2 hours left.

 

[Animal Midwife]

genny/please interactions & mentions

so far, cray sounds fine, dubz sounds like she's excited about her role which makes me worry about 3P, and i'm wondering why kras and AM haven't had a fight yet.

I would like for "AM and kras aren't fighting" not to be used as an excuse for a legitimate read. 1) because it clearly has no bearing on their affiliations - we know they do it as v/v, we know they do it as v/w, they could easily replicate it as w/w and 2) I like the not fighting

yes same lets keep it this way plz

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lol i didn't pay close enough attention last page
ew a tie in a kdubz game, but we're like 6 hours from yeet so it'll resolve
the visc thing i only understand in the context of we don't have much to go off of yet, and the april thing if i can remember is from people not liking her salt vote
so i think both of the wagons have pretty weak bases right now

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Rereading the thread and revising reads is unsatisfactory? lol

Ya know? At first, I read what you'd posted about sleeping, getting some breakfast and coffee, re-reading the thread and reassessing your reads.

And I was all "Okay, that's reasonable." And then it sat there, in the air, like a fart in an elevator, and it occurred to me you didn't really answer the question.

As far as I can tell your stated reasoning for being willing to yeet April at a moments go is "you read the thread", and for Dina it's "she's been lurking".

I have to say, for being super basic questions of "why are you willing to yeet them suddenly" I don't really feel like you've given any insight to your thought process.

i think these z/genny interactions are interesting. maybe w/v or v/v

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I don't like the look of those wagons. While I get the sus of april, an entirely noob(-ish) wagon feels like a misyeet. Conversely, genny/cray/dubz all agreeing on Vis while sussing each other on thread feels like a setup

that seems a little complex, i think maybe 2 of them could be wolf but not all 3

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*twitch*

Yeet genny

i don't like this vote, it read to me as genuine joke? and it seems a bit close to yeet for this to be a joke vote. if i finish my catchup and april's still on this one is definitely an eyebrow raise

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But by definition wolf reads are faked.

The deference I have for Midwife has nothing to do with how long she's played and everything to do with what I think of her as a player. I'll suck any of my fave players' Ds as hard as I want, what's it to anyone?

Although I think genny Dubz and AM have all told me to back off their Ds at one point or another. Can I say D in pre-vet?

No, I think you have to say P instead.

actually, it's technically prepuce here

Lol at attempting to school a doctor on anatomy. Aw.

****hi my name is anna and i occaisonally i forget i'm playing with people who all have md's and dvm's and masters and s*** and I dont even have my bachelors yet 🤣 🤣 ****

 

[Animal Midwife]

I find it hard to believe genny forgot to interact with one of her partners all day (until this borderline off-topic debauchery). That, in addition to backing Zenge up which she had the stronghold on the genny yeet, makes me want to move her out of the immediate POE. Taking please off.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Break time because this is extremely draining on broken!SDN.

 

[Crayola227]

Wrong, Genny was on Visc ALL DAY. and "self prez"'ed to April with almost 2 hours left.

AM was on April at the time, yes? I still don't see why AM would have thought that was a move to call out. She clearly agreed with the read. And I'm going to pull out the AM quote explaining why she didn't call out that self prez.

 

[Crayola227]

AM was on April at the time, yes? I still don't see why AM would have thought that was a move to call out. She clearly agreed with the read. And I'm going to pull out the AM quote explaining why she didn't call out that self prez.

WHAT THE ACTUAL FREAK SDN SEARCH FUNCTION DON'T YOU KNOW WW IS SRS BSNS!!!!

 

[Crayola227]

Oh, frightened villagers have done that. It's distracting but has happened. I'm much more accepting of it if they're self-prezzing on a wolf read though.

Self-prezzing onto a village read >5 minutes until close is what I'm saying is wrong. It's anti-village at best and sometimes even a wolf move.

This.

To my knowledge genny had not established April as a village read.

This is not a repeat of the situation with Bread and either/or voting onto someone you think is village when you are trying to save yourself.

 

[sunshinefl]

AM was on April at the time, yes? I still don't see why AM would have thought that was a move to call out. She clearly agreed with the read. And I'm going to pull out the AM quote explaining why she didn't call out that self prez.

Ohhh I thought you were saying Genny had been on April. You are correct AM was but I’d have to check how long. She was on other people before.

 

[Crayola227]

Ohhh I thought you were saying Genny had been on April. You are correct AM was but I’d have to check how long. She was on other people before.

To be fair I forgot that genny moved from visc to April. But I can see where a Village Midwife would not have found that the "anti-village discussion" self prez move.

But at some points it may just be finer points of disagreement and not really worth me harping on anymore. Concerns on more than one particular thing has been raised and that probably has more accuracy than any one indicator.

 

[Viscernable]

Is the search function being wonky for anyone else? It’s not loading most of the thread when I try to ISO.

why am I still awake, I told myself I was going to bed hours ago

It has been the bane of my existence all day. Trying to wolfhunt here, SDN, and I would appreciate some co-operation.

On the other hand maybe it’s best that SDN not enable my “okay just a bit more ww before bed” habit. I procrastinated on working out until 1:30 and now it’s 2:30 and despite my best efforts I need sleep to survive.

 

[Crayola227]

MsP - hardly worth discussing except for those who have discussed her and what it might mean for their ffiliation.
DrRoRoro - near silence and only popping in with noob defense is sketch af
Ace - torn. Push of April sketch vs are they his honest villager feelz. What is sketch are big promises, but he did appear to be wolfhunting beyond April.
Sloth - need to ISO again, but initial reread appears compatible with genny packmate.
Visc - feel better about with genny flip, but need to reexamine for paranoia's sake.
Kras - sketch af. But am I giving AM's read too much weight?
WZ - village. Didn't feel like genny was setting up a packmate with the shade thrown.

Need to revisit to form better reads on Lainey, Vetschools, Alley, April, Shorty, and Dina.

I used the roster but may have forgotten someone.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Actually, kras's sitting on dubz when she clearly stated she thought April was a misyeet early on is... yeah.

We'll see how tight my final POE is though to judge if I actually have to take her head-on again.

 

[sunshinefl]

AM, how do you mix sketchiness with helpful posts? Every time I make my mind up on you, you post something helpful. But on the other hand, maybe you are just sooo good at villager AM probing for a weakness, wolf AM is able to find minor things to highlight to cast suspicion on others while also looking helpful.

Anyone here play with wolf AM before?? Looking at the roster, maybe Dina, Cray, Kras, and WZ.

 

[Animal Midwife]

genny/Lou interactions & mentions (this one gets weird because Lou is inactive most of the cycle and therefore wouldn't have many opportunities to interact in general)
time markers because it all happens within the final hour +/- some minutes

8:50

Hey sorry. I guess whenever I work animals decide to all spontaneously start dying!

Reads on people

Wolfy/suspicious
-genny: I thought her statement about " i just show up and say things" seemed a tad odd, but then again im new so idk how they play. then they replied to my "is this sus" question "I sure did", also trying to self prez early. Still a bit iffy on what this means but i think its odd
-visc- has said questionable things in the beginning and were super over explainy

???
-sunshine: kinda defended genny but also may know them better
-sloth- stated toward the beginning they were just following the trend, also they havent put in vote yet so are they sitting back and watching till the end for some reason.


Village lean
-kras- just seems to be neutral
-Cray- people say they've been normal, i dont see anything that stands out

This is what i have so far. If a name isnt listed it means im neutral about them or havent heard or felt enough to make a definite decision

8:53

Do you think genny and Vis can be wolves together? What's meant by "neutral" and why does that make you village read kras? Also, what's the different between ??? and neutral?

8:58

I acuallu question whether genny and sunshine could be wolves together. It was something about how sunshine defended genny but they may just know genny better. By neutral I just mean not trying too hard or going over the top which gives me chill vibes=village vibes. ??? I meant like I’m suspicious but then not suspicious so I have no clue. Neutral I just don’t have much thoughts on.

9:00

sunshine voting genny and has been for a while. Does that affect anything? I'd still like to hear about Vis too though.

Not trying too hard? How does that compare to what she did last game?

Gun to head, if you were to move sunshine and sloth to the village or wolf category, which would it be? (They don't have to both be in the same group.)

9:02

Made my decision based on above description

**YEET GENNY**

9:04

Sunshine village, sloth wolf

9:05

Which description was that?

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[cue fighting because Lou didn't want to answer some questions about her reads]
9:29

Why does everyone give in to [AM]

9:33

She's mostly harmless tbh. Just real salty. So why not give in?

 

[Animal Midwife]

AM, how do you mix sketchiness with helpful posts? Every time I make my mind up on you, you post something helpful. But on the other hand, maybe you are just sooo good at villager AM probing for a weakness, wolf AM is able to find minor things to highlight to cast suspicion on others while also looking helpful.

Anyone here play with wolf AM before?? Looking at the roster, maybe Dina, Cray, Kras, and WZ.

It's easy. Just be a villager that cares about clearing themselves. I can't control the actions around me, but I sure can affect others' reads of myself.

kras has never seen me wolf which is the deepest irony.

 

[LaineyLou]

genny/Lou interactions & mentions (this one gets weird because Lou is inactive most of the cycle and therefore wouldn't have many opportunities to interact in general)
time markers because it all happens within the final hour +/- some minutes

8:50

8:53

8:58

9:00

9:02

9:04

9:05

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[cue fighting because Lou didn't want to answer some questions about her reads]
9:29

9:33

Just look at the first freaking post you asked me to write!!!! I wrote why I thought genny was my wolf lean. Gosh damn you’re so freaking petty and quite honestly a child

 

[LaineyLou]

It's easy. Just be a villager that cares about clearing themselves. I can't control the actions around me, but I sure can affect others' reads of myself.

kras has never seen me wolf which is the deepest irony.

You freaking quoted the answer to your own question

 

[Animal Midwife]

Just look at the first freaking post you asked me to write!!!! I wrote why I thought genny was my wolf lean. Gosh damn you’re so freaking petty and quite honestly a child

Good evening twilight. Glad to see you're still awake.

Care to update those reads since you're around?

 

[LaineyLou]

Good evening twilight. Glad to see you're still awake.

Care to update those reads since you're around?

Why don’t you just read what you quoted and you’ll have all the answers. I’m not retyping things to please you

 

[Animal Midwife]

Anyway, if there's a bus on genny, Lou is the only candidate. I don't see any other wolves on her the way the wagon formed and what time she voted/first called out genny.

She can stay in my POE for the singular deep wolf. I want the powerwolves gone first though.

 

[LaineyLou]

Anyway, if there's a bus on genny, Lou is the only candidate. I don't see any other wolves on her the way the wagon formed and what time she voted/first called out genny.

She can stay in my POE for the singular deep wolf. I want the powerwolves gone first though.

What do you mean I’m the only candidate? For what

 

[Animal Midwife]

Why don’t you just read what you quoted and you’ll have all the answers. I’m not retyping things to please you

Mhm. I might pass you off to the other villagers to interrogate directly if you're going to lay square eggs loaded with personal attacks when I'm simply ISOing you.