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This might seem hypocritical, but with Dina already having a shaky voting history, with Cray flipping village I am wondering if Dina could have just been stoking the Cray flame that I made. (to put more sus on cray, or to try to frame me with the NK, or to try to pocket me with agreeing-- not saying that definitely is what happened but thinking out loud).
You’re right, it does seem hypocritical
🙁 I have you strongly in my village block but it is worrying me that you were pushing cray when you were suspicious of the other player pushing her, and now are pushing suspicion on another player who you had as weak village for agreeing with you. If you as a villager were suspicious of her with the info you had at the time, why wouldn’t village Dina be? More importantly, why would wolf Dina agree with you at the specific timing she did, once wolves had apparently given up hope of getting suspicion on cray?
I agree that Cray was a stupid choice for the wolves given I was sus of her and presenting a case on her, and that others could see some merit in my points. Since wolves will always NK a villager, i am actually thankful that they picked a villager I was sus of.
Generally I try not to read into NK choices too much because it’s very WIFOM in a way that I don’t think I’m very good at decoding... but I can’t help but think about the cray choice after 3 people were pushing her and the rest of the thread, from what I remember, seems to have read her pretty solidly village.
From what I remember and have noted, Lainey yesterday was the first in a while to really bring up cray as a serious wolf candidate. Cray pointed out that Lainey was stretching and possibly intentionally warping Cray’s words in her reasoning. Sunny was the only other player to push cray as a wolf read, but based on much more solid reasoning (post 1577 and some others) - but then, I would expect sunny’s reasoning to be more solid even if lainey/sunny were v/w, given the playstyles I’ve seen from them this game and previous ones. Then sunny’s suspicion really took off after the MsP yeet because of cray’s vote switch inspiring an ISO that made sunny very sus of cray. Dina seemed a bit swayed, at least thought it was worth considering. This took place late at night for most players, so maybe wolves were asleep and didn’t adjust NK in response to getting some village traction for cray sus? But it feels off that not one wolf looked at thread before night close and decided to switch NK. If Lainey was a wolf trying to sow cray sus and wolves decided to NK cray because no villagers were biting, why go through with it once sunny was so suspicious? If Dina and Lainey were wolves, why would Dina connect herself with the cray sus once wolves had already apparently given up on getting village on board?
I would be extremely suspicious of sunny after this, but I looked back through her votes and who she was pushing (early on genny, 2nd on sloth D2 [not great but obviously villagers yeet villagers sometimes], on lainey and opposed to MsP vote D3) and they look quite clearing to me. So following the above train of thought I keep 2nd guessing Lainey being a wolf, and especially feel Lainey/Dina being w/w is less likely. I know there is a lot of WIFOM involved here and there are many possible explanations for why wolf Lainey would want to NK cray in this scenario, but I’m very nervous about this yeet since it’s getting urgent to yeet a wolf. It’s really bothering me that there has been so little resistance to the Lainey yeet.
typing error sorry. *please don't kill me for error. Am not wolf.*
bUt WhO wAs WoLf
if I get NKed after triggering sunny please take a look at her thank you
that is a joke to be clear i do not think sunny is wolf
can we just majority yeet Lainey and go into night cycle now? lol
Sunny stop making me doubt my village block with comments like this 😬
I don’t love majority hammers (at least, not as a villager). Rushing yeet and truncating doscussion, adding confusion and therefore potential for bad panic-brain analysis, and possibly trapping people on votes they didn’t plan to end on but were hoping to get info from or pressure with... it just presents a lot of opportunities for wolves to take advantage.
The more people point out the wolves are just picking off the vets, the more I feel better about the lainey yeet.
Why does this feel damning of Lainey to you? To me, if anything it makes me more suspicious of more experienced and active players, since it makes you wonder why they weren’t chosen for NK (obviously it’s not much suspicion since there are many possible reasons why they might have been, I’m just not following why you think it points to Lainey)
another thing, I know some people have mentioned not being surprised about cray being the NK and suspecting shorty is next, but since they're not my top village block AND I really thought I was the obvious choice, it makes me wonder about 2 possible motivations for the wolves not killing me yet:
1. 1 or more wolves are nice people and sympathetic to me being murdered early
2. 1 or more of the wolves are in my village reads
There is another glaring possibility, and it would usually make me a bit suspicious that you’re making this post without mentioning it - from one angle it looks a lot like you’re feeling self-conscious and paranoid that people are thinking of that possibility and are want to defend yourself from it without explicitly doing so. But, like I said before, I think there’s very compelling evidence you’re a villager.
Giving sunshine some wolf points for pushing the Cray tinfoil so hard. Not changing my overall village read of her for now, but I wanted to put this out there after her Monday morning QBing rubbed me the wrong way.
In summary of above reasoning, I don’t find sunny’s suspicion of cray inherently wolfy since she had good points and put a LOT of effort into those posts. I don’t think a wolf would go to THAT much effort to push suspicion on someone they’d already decided to NK - there wasn’t enough time when sunny posted to get villagers on board before night end. But that there was village traction (assuming sunny is village) on cray sus after lainey pushed it makes me worry we have lainey wrong.
