Thoughts For Pros/Cons of Military Route

[Goro]

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And send you to Thule, Greenland, Minot, ND, or Diego Garcia!

I will add one cautionary and true tale not often mentioned. All should already know that the military can pull you out of residency after PGY-1 year and call you to active duty. With the license after a year you can work in institutional settings. That in and of itself isnt the complete end of the world, as after your 4 year commitment as you can then go compete for another residency slot. I will take this one step further as I know someone who this happened to. As it turned out, he loved the service and was more than willing to simply continue his service and have a career in the military. After several years of serving, he was diagnosed with a chronic and widely variable medical condition (sorry I keeping details out). He was removed from active service. I know several non-military physicians who this condition who thrive in private practice. Unfortunately, no residency (and unlikely to handle the rigors of one at middle aged with this condition) and no chance to get a clinical position. He is now doing something else medically related. This is a very atypical occurrence (or I assuming it is) but just another viewpoint

 

[Goro]

And at a major risk to fail Boards and/or fail out of med school.

Your MCAT score is between 2 and 3 standard deviations below the mean for matriculants.

You are an outlier.

 

[Sahgee]

And at a major risk to fail Boards and/or fail out of med school.

Says who? There is no correlation between mcat scores & your success in medical school. And please don't waste mine or anyone else's time citing some random article. I'm not at risk for a damn thing lol believe that. The mcat is just another hoop to jump through to get into medical school, which i have successfully done. & with the support and resources at my schools of choice there's no way im failing out of anything. It is all based on your character & your willingness to work hard & excel which will get you through the rigorous training. Soooo keep that warning to yourself lol.

 

[Goro]

Touched a nerve, did we? I'm not making the news, just reporting it.

There's more in PubMed than "one random article."

But I guess denial is more than a river in Egypt.

Says who? There is no correlation between mcat scores & your success in medical school. And please don't waste mine or anyone else's time citing some random article. I'm not at risk for a damn thing lol believe that. The mcat is just another hoop to jump through to get into medical school, which i have successfully done. & with the support and resources at my schools of choice there's no way im failing out of anything. It is all based on your character & your willingness to work hard & excel which will get you through the rigorous training. Soooo keep that warning to yourself lol.

 

[Sahgee]

Touched a nerve, did we? I'm not making the news, just reporting it.

There's more in PubMed than "one random article."

But I guess denial is more than a river in Egypt.

No, you didn't touch a nerve at alll 🙂 it seems that so many of you ate salty or shocked about the score & that's fine lol. There are also plenty more articles on the fact that there isn't a correlation, so please continue to do your research, mkay honey? The fact of the matter is that i was successful in getting in & will be even more successful during school 🙂 nothing to deny about that~

 

[Goro]

I wish you well.

No, you didn't touch a nerve at alll 🙂 it seems that so many of you ate salty or shocked about the score & that's fine lol. There are also plenty more articles on the fact that there isn't a correlation, so please continue to do your research, mkay honey? The fact of the matter is that i was successful in getting in & will be even more successful during school 🙂 nothing to deny about that~

 

[prehealthadvisor55]

Thanks for letting me know the section minimums! I know a couple of med students who didn't have to take the MCAT because of an early acceptance program and are doing the HPSP (military scholarship). I'll reach out to them to see how they qualified.

Thanks again.

The last recruiter I talked to about 2 weeks ago said they were aiming for a 500 minimum overall, but until there's more data behind the new scoring they could be a little lenient (+/- a couple of points).

 

[JustAPhD]

The troll is strong with this one.

 

[prehealthadvisor55]

No, you didn't touch a nerve at alll 🙂 it seems that so many of you ate salty or shocked about the score & that's fine lol. There are also plenty more articles on the fact that there isn't a correlation, so please continue to do your research, mkay honey? The fact of the matter is that i was successful in getting in & will be even more successful during school 🙂 nothing to deny about that~

You must be new here.

 

[Sahgee]

I wish you well.

I will do great.

 

[Sahgee]

You must be new here.

And? Lol.

 

[Germanicus89]

Unimpressed? Lol who was trying to impress you or anyone else for that matter? All i or this person has to do is impress the admissions committee, which i clearly did despite (as you call it) "unimpressive" scores. At the end of the day i am still an amazing applicant that already got accepted to 2 even more amazing medical schools, so I'm good lol. If all everyone is going to chime in on is the person's mcat score without having an idea of other aspects of their application then you're doing him or her a disservice (see previous comment). Speaking from my experience as I will be a doctor despite your opinions on my score, i provided advice that got me in & that's that. If military will help him then hoorah. But if other or any aspects of his application are lacking then he should improve it. Plain & simple, whether or not it is their mcat.

I think you're conflating constructive advice for OP with direct personal criticism. When I say unimpressed I mean unimpressed with your advice not with you as an applicant/person. I'm not attacking you, just discussing ideas. I agree with your idea that it's not impossible for OP to get in with a 498. It's just very unlikely.

I looked at your post history and everything kind of clicked for me. Best of luck in your medical career!

 

[Jos.A.Bank]

Touched a nerve, did we? I'm not making the news, just reporting it.

There's more in PubMed than "one random article."

But I guess denial is more than a river in Egypt.

Based on most of the data I've come across, the most recent of which is located at https://www.aamc.org/download/434596/data/usingmcatdata2016.pdf, most who fail to graduate from a LCME school in four years have poor MCAT scores. My score (and, perhaps, Sahgee's) would definitely be included in this demographic. There's no denying that having a poor MCAT score is associated with a higher likelihood of poorer performance. Sahgee, maybe that's the point people are making-not necessarily saying that you will fail. And maybe Sahgee's point is, according to the same data, students with my GPA and MCAT score, however poor my low 20 something is, still graduate from USMD schools in four years most of the time. Adding in a 5th year for research, maybe it's close to the rate of admitted students with no MCAT issues. I certainly looked into these things before applying. The dean of admissions at the more expensive MD school where I was admitted put me in touch with a new grad who had my MCAT score who graduated in four years, got straight "P's" on his basic science coursework, and matched into the competitive specialty I am interested in at a great trauma center. Thus the MCAT is certainly not the end-all-be-all. This process is stressful enough. Can't we just say that both points are valid. Poor MCAT scores certainly increase risk, but don't always singly define whether someone is admitted or is successful after admission.

 

[Jos.A.Bank]

May I also add that according to that link, even those students who have an undergrad GPA of 2.5, which we think never are admitted, still graduate at better rates if they have higher MCAT scores. More than anything else I've read, IMO this supports the theory that higher MCAT=better med school performance.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

And? Lol.

You obviously don't know who you are talking to. You are demeaning a verified medical school faculty member. I would dare say he knows what he is talking about and how to cite accurate research articles. There is most definitely a correlation between MCAT scores and ability to pass the boards. Yes the higher your MCAT score doesn't mean a higher board score but a lower MCAT score can indicate ability to pass the boards.

No it isn't the end all be all of med admissions but saying that it doesn't mean anything is equally naive.

 

[prehealthadvisor55]

And? Lol.

Anyone who sasses and then calls an adcom/faculty member "honey" - even on an anonymous forum - has a long road ahead of them. But good luck.

 

[Goro]

Indeed! What I was trying to point out that poor MCAT is a RISK factor for bad outcomes.

Based on most of the data I've come across, the most recent of which is located at https://www.aamc.org/download/434596/data/usingmcatdata2016.pdf, most who fail to graduate from a LCME school in four years have poor MCAT scores. My score (and, perhaps, Sahgee's) would definitely be included in this demographic. There's no denying that having a poor MCAT score is associated with a higher likelihood of poorer performance. Sahgee, maybe that's the point people are making-not necessarily saying that you will fail. And maybe Sahgee's point is, according to the same data, students with my GPA and MCAT score, however poor my low 20 something is, still graduate from USMD schools in four years most of the time. Adding in a 5th year for research, maybe it's close to the rate of admitted students with no MCAT issues. I certainly looked into these things before applying. The dean of admissions at the more expensive MD school where I was admitted put me in touch with a new grad who had my MCAT score who graduated in four years, got straight "P's" on his basic science coursework, and matched into the competitive specialty I am interested in at a great trauma center. Thus the MCAT is certainly not the end-all-be-all. This process is stressful enough. Can't we just say that both points are valid. Poor MCAT scores certainly increase risk, but don't always singly define whether someone is admitted or is successful after admission.

 

[Sahgee]

Anyone who sasses and then calls an adcom/faculty member "honey" - even on an anonymous forum - has a long road ahead of them. But good luck.

Am I suoposed to grovel at their feet or something? It was a long road to get to where I am now, and I will not stand by idly while anyone undermines my success or implies that my success thus far will be null and void in the future. If they are indeed members of an adcom then they should have more tact than that and appreciate the hard work that I went through and should uplift me rather than try to scare or intimidate me. Provide advice, not empty threats. & I do not need luck when I am blessed. I have said nothing wrong & will continue to stand by my opinion as all I have done is provideed positive reinforcement + support for the person who posted this thread. So, thanks for the info?

 

[Sahgee]

You obviously don't know who you are talking to. You are demeaning a verified medical school faculty member. I would dare say he knows what he is talking about and how to cite accurate research articles. There is most definitely a correlation between MCAT scores and ability to pass the boards. Yes the higher your MCAT score doesn't mean a higher board score but a lower MCAT score can indicate ability to pass the boards.

No it isn't the end all be all of med admissions but saying that it doesn't mean anything is equally naive.

How am I being naive if I am speaking from experience? I have seen enough evidence in my time & I have enough confidence in myself & my abilities to know that I will be just fine with my boards and that when I am interviewing for residency that no one will be asking about my mcat scores.

This was all a very large tangent from the original post but if everyone wants to try & jump down my throat because of the support I was lending to another / fellow pre med based on my own experiences, then please continue to do so. I will continue to stand my digital ground. 🙂

 

[Burning River]

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[Sahgee]

I think you're conflating constructive advice for OP with direct personal criticism. When I say unimpressed I mean unimpressed with your advice not with you as an applicant/person. I'm not attacking you, just discussing ideas. I agree with your idea that it's not impossible for OP to get in with a 498. It's just very unlikely.

I looked at your post history and everything kind of clicked for me. Best of luck in your medical career!

I understand that it is unlikely & there was absolutely no constructive criticism provided to me, simply outright judgment which helps no one. And I do not think that I will bite at the bait to see find out what "it all clicked for me" entails lol. Thanks for the wishes & may you continue to be successful through your endeavors as well. 🙂

 

[soadhead]

Am I suoposed to grovel at their feet or something? It was a long road to get to where I am now, and I will not stand by idly while anyone undermines my success or implies that my success thus far will be null and void in the future. If they are indeed members of an adcom then they should have more tact than that and appreciate the hard work that I went through and should uplift me rather than try to scare or intimidate me. Provide advice, not empty threats. & I do not need luck when I am blessed. I have said nothing wrong & will continue to stand by my opinion as all I have done is provideed positive reinforcement + support for the person who posted this thread. So, thanks for the info?

Nobody was undermining your success or implied that you wouldn't have success going forward. What everybody has been clearly telling you is that you are giving bad advice based on your own personal experience. That's it. The vast majority of people with your MCAT score are not accepted into med school. That's a fact. Just because you made it doesn't mean that it's not a serious problem for a different applicant. Some of the people you are arguing with work in admissions committees. Looking over thousands of applications and making decisions on who to accept. They have the experience of dealing with all of those applicants and statistics to back up their assertions. You are one applicant, and obviously not typically the type who gets accepted to an MD program. Congrats on your success, and I mean that sincerely as I have a GPA that is well below average, and I'm hoping to overcome that.

 

[CockerelOnTop]

OP, I am not a physician, but I am a medical officer. I love it. I drank the koolaid when I joined. Now, if you ask my friends or family if I love it, they may say no. Because I complain... a lot 🙂

The military is like the big brother that used to beat you up every day. You hate it and love it all at the same time. Now I work with ortho surgeons primarily and they all hate it, likely because at our hospital they get less respect than an intern in the real world and they see how much their friends make. BUT they have the best patient population in the world. For a primary care provider, the pay is pretty decent in service, so if you are considering that route financially it is pretty good. No one can tell you if it is right for you, or your family. It is good that you are doing due diligence to look into it, but you may not know if you hate it until it is too late 😉

 

[Sahgee]

Nobody was undermining your success or implied that you wouldn't have success going forward. What everybody has been clearly telling you is that you are giving bad advice based on your own personal experience. That's it. The vast majority of people with your MCAT score are not accepted into med school. That's a fact. Just because you made it doesn't mean that it's not a serious problem for a different applicant. Some of the people you are arguing with work in admissions committees. Looking over thousands of applications and making decisions on who to accept. They have the experience of dealing with all of those applicants and statistics to back up their assertions. You are one applicant, and obviously not typically the type who gets accepted to an MD program. Congrats on your success, and I mean that sincerely as I have a GPA that is well below average, and I'm hoping to overcome that.

Thank you

Nobody was undermining your success or implied that you wouldn't have success going forward. What everybody has been clearly telling you is that you are giving bad advice based on your own personal experience. That's it. The vast majority of people with your MCAT score are not accepted into med school. That's a fact. Just because you made it doesn't mean that it's not a serious problem for a different applicant. Some of the people you are arguing with work in admissions committees. Looking over thousands of applications and making decisions on who to accept. They have the experience of dealing with all of those applicants and statistics to back up their assertions. You are one applicant, and obviously not typically the type who gets accepted to an MD program. Congrats on your success, and I mean that sincerely as I have a GPA that is well below average, and I'm hoping to overcome that.

Thank you for the congrats. & you will overcome it if it's meant to be just don't give up & bulk up your application. And I will not repeat myself again in regards to the advice that I provided the author of this post. I said nothing wrong & did not ill advise them.

 

[Jos.A.Bank]

Everyone, Please Do Not Feed The Troll!

You have a 37th percentile MCAT, and quite honestly there is no real reason why you should be accepted anywhere, even Caribbean MD.

You are most likely going to be part of the small % of Medical Students that fail out in the US. If not, the USMLE Step 1 will probably wipe you out.

How does anyone get a 496? I would literally have to have not studied at all and actively tried to give wrong answers to get a score that low.

Your attitude, arrogance, and entitlement is beyond me.

My honest advice for you is to drop your MD acceptances (If they even exists, which I doubt). You will be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt with no way to pay back the debt when you fail Med School and/or step 1.

Also, props to you for being February's #1 Troll, you worked hard for it!

EDIT: Actually, you've won March as well since this thread has spanned two days of foolishness 🙂

Hasn't this been settled already? Most who do poorly in med school have poor scores but most with poor scores pass step 1. I can screenshot my acceptance along with my MCAT breakdown if it helps convince you that a 494 can get into a USMD school. But as it is one of the top 5 most expensive in the country, your point about amount of debt is duly noted and worth considering.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

 

[Sahgee]

Everyone, Please Do Not Feed The Troll!

You have a 37th percentile MCAT, and quite honestly there is no real reason why you should be accepted anywhere, even Caribbean MD.

You are most likely going to be part of the small % of Medical Students that fail out in the US. If not, the USMLE Step 1 will probably wipe you out.

How does anyone get a 496? I would literally have to have not studied at all and actively tried to give wrong answers to get a score that low.

Your attitude, arrogance, and entitlement is beyond me.

My honest advice for you is to drop your MD acceptances (If they even exists, which I doubt). You will be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt with no way to pay back the debt when you fail Med School and/or step 1.

Also, props to you for being February's #1 Troll, you worked hard for it!

EDIT: Actually, you've won March as well since this thread has spanned two days of foolishness 🙂

I really need to give you some sugar since you sound oh so bitter how does it feel knowing that someone like me got into medical school? Hmm? Because it seems like your upset lol. You can say what you want but that doesnt change that i got into not one but two prestigous medical schools. 🙂 and I'm going to be an amazing doctor.

The problem with this "network" is that it is full of pompous, self entitled, bratty pre meds. You feel like someone owes you something because some strange part of you feels like your better than someone. Well honey, sorry to break it to you, but youre not & i am sure that it rubs you the wrong way. People like you have no business being doctors. You know nothing about me yet you're spewing all this mess out of the crack of your ass make sure you make an appointment with me when i am a gastroenterologist so that we can fix this problem. Other than that take your negativity someplace else & see if you are successful trying to make someone feel as small as you are, because it isn't working over here honey. Now let me go tuck my acceptance letters to bed before they get cranky like you oh clearly are~

 

[Sahgee]

I meant no offense to you at all. In fact, nothing I said was directed at you or your situation. It's okay to not have that great of a score, it's not okay to give others terrible advice, which is what Sahgee was doing.

Every once in a while there are people who get in with very low MCAT's, these are outliers, but many have extenuating circumstances or other pull factors that make them enticing to schools.

Only you know yourself, and everyone, regardless of stats, should introspect before committing to Medical School, MD or DO. If you barely survived Undergrad, working your butt off and still not getting good results, Med School will be a struggle if not even potentially insurmountable.

There are probably many people with Sub 500 MCAT scores that can and will make good physicians. I can't tell you if you will or won't because I don't know you.

Please don't let me push YOU one way or another for YOU to attend or not attend Med School. If you think you can handle it, definitely do it! Medicine is an amazing career! You seem like you at least have an open mind and a good personality, which was blatantly lacking from the person I was calling out.

How do you consider yourself as a pre med that can't read? You mean to tell me that it's terrible to tell someone to work on their application as a whole? Please move on if that's the case. People are so hung up on numbers while the rest of their application falls to crap. Get over yourselves guys lol. Go on & get you that perfect score with nothing else on your resume to support you, see how things turn out for you 😉

 

[Sahgee]

& how am i the "troll" if you guys are the ones hung up on me & my post? Seems more like my score is more of your problems than mine at this point lol.

 

[Germanicus89]

To get the thread back on topic,

Does anyone know if we see the same variability in salaries for the military as we do for civilian care?

For, example, does an Internal Medicine Doctor still make a lot less than an Orthopedic Surgeon, or do the gaps in pay between specialties narrow in the military?

From an attending in another thread:

If you like socialism, than military medicine is the perfect place for you. No monetary reward for hard work, high-grade performance or productivity. Primary care makes close to the same as specialists - definitely not a free market.

I was actually wondering today how joining the military as a doctor works after a civilian residency. Can you just sign up for 4 years once you're an attending?

 

[naijacardriodoc]

Everyone, Please Do Not Feed The Troll!

You have a 37th percentile MCAT, and quite honestly there is no real reason why you should be accepted anywhere, even Caribbean MD.

You are most likely going to be part of the small % of Medical Students that fail out in the US. If not, the USMLE Step 1 will probably wipe you out.

How does anyone get a 496? I would literally have to have not studied at all and actively tried to give wrong answers to get a score that low.

Your attitude, arrogance, and entitlement is beyond me.

My honest advice for you is to drop your MD acceptances (If they even exists, which I doubt). You will be hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt with no way to pay back the debt when you fail Med School and/or step 1.

Also, props to you for being February's #1 Troll, you worked hard for it!

EDIT: Actually, you've won March as well since this thread has spanned two days of foolishness 🙂

so unnecessarily toxic smh..... you should learn how to respectfully make your point.

 

[Sahgee]

so unnecessarily toxic smh..... you should learn how to respectfully make your point.

Thank you. It was very unnecessary & hateful for no reason to accomplish what exactly? Despite whatever their opinion is & their negativity (which i have encountered much of in my life) i will continue to rise & be successful while giving the haters more to hate on 😉

 

[Sahgee]

Haha! Best thing I've ever seen! I bolded and underlined it. Hahahaha!

Stop, just too much, I can't handle the laughter.

Also, I'm already accepted this cycle at an actually prestigious School with an MCAT at least 50 percentage points higher than you

An actual prestigious school? what does that even mean? & are you still mad that despite whatever the hell you got, we are going to be in the same profession? Lmao we are literally on the same playing field then so continue to make yourself look like more of an dingus.

Edit: i love the autocorrect to dingus, it's equally as appropriate.

 

[naijacardriodoc]

Thank you. It was very unnecessary & hateful for no reason to accomplish what exactly? Despite whatever their opinion is & their negativity (which i have encountered much of in my life) i will continue to rise & be successful while giving the haters more to hate on 😉

yup just keep pressing!! @Dermpire will realize very quickly that patients don't care about where he/she went to med school. they will write a bad online review of you on Yelp or ZocDoc and your *competitive medical school* admission or "high MCAT score" won't help you when patients start leaving.....actually some patients are really bold they will say what they have to say to his/her face or to the front office staff with that fancy med school diploma staring in their face...some patients don't care at all

 

[Sahgee]

yup just keep pressing!! @Dermpire will realize very quickly that patients don't care about where he/she went to med school. they will write a bad online review of you on Yelp or ZocDoc and your *competitive medical school* admission or "high MCAT score" won't help you when patients start leaving.....actually some patients are really bold they will say what they have to say to his/her face or the front office staff with that fancy med school diploma staring in their face...some patients don't care at all

Exactly lol. Patients could care less & judging by this person's attitude idk how he's even going to talk to patients at all. I wish his adcom could see through the smoke and mirrors to see the real "dingus" that lays beneath, surrounded by his veil of entitlement & insecurity. Because it takes a special type of insecurity to try & bring others down to his level. A type of insecurity that makes him have something to constantly prove to the world lol. Either way i am unimpressed & will be sleeping easy knowing that I still made my dreams come true & that the sky is the limit from this point on~ best of luck to you btw 🙂 let me know if you ever need anything @naijacardriodoc or anyone in this thread for that matter. 🙂

 

[ZedsDed]

Exactly lol. Patients could care less & judging by this person's attitude idk how he's even going to talk to patients at all. I wish his adcom could see through the smoke and mirrors to see the real "dingus" that lays beneath, surrounded by his veil of entitlement & insecurity. Because it takes a special type of insecurity to try & bring others down to his level. A type of insecurity that makes him have something to constantly prove to the world lol. Either way i am unimpressed & will be sleeping easy knowing that I still made my dreams come true & that the sky is the limit from this point on~ best of luck to you btw 🙂 let me know if you ever need anything @naijacardriodoc or anyone in this thread for that matter. 🙂

You are very confident in your abilities which is fine, but I don't know why you need the rest of us to agree with you. Someone with so much potential certainly doesn't need our validation.

 

[Sahgee]

You are very confident in your abilities which is fine, but I don't know why you need the rest of us to agree with you. Someone with so much potential certainly doesn't need our validation.

Who needs your validation again? Because it certainly isn't I. All this erupted from me providing support & encouragement for the author of this post since so many others kept knocking him down because of his score. Then people wanted to jump down my throat due to my score & the fact that I got accepted. The true ones that need validation are the ones who want to try& belittle others achievements because they for whatever reason think that they're better than others. I am very confident in my skills & abilities, I just wish others were the same because they only seem confident in their ability to get a few points higher on test that leads us all to the same profession. 🙂

 

[Jos.A.Bank]

124 is the subsection minimum for the Army, not 123.

OK, thanks. Do you happen to know how people without an MCAT are acceptable for HPSP? I went to an undergrad that guarantees 50ish of their students seats in each med school class with no MCAT needed, and a number of those do the HPSP.

 

[soadhead]

OK, thanks. Do you happen to know how people without an MCAT are acceptable for HPSP? I went to an undergrad that guarantees 50ish of their students seats in each med school class with no MCAT needed, and a number of those do the HPSP.

What MD school doesn't require the MCAT? This is the second time I've heard something like this.

 

[Jos.A.Bank]

What MD school doesn't require the MCAT? This is the second time I've heard something like this.

All schools require the MCAT for standard admission routes, but there are exceptions for combined Bachelors/MD programs to which high school students apply, early identification programs in which students apply as college sophomores, and linkage programs through which post-bac students apply onlt to certain, "linked" schools. In some of these programs, a minimum MCAT is needed, in some it just needs to be taken, and in some it is not needed at all. And I'm curious as to how students who matriculate through such a program with no score are able to participate in the HPSP.

 

[whatever5]

The true ones that need validation are the ones who want to try& belittle others achievements because they for whatever reason think that they're better than others.

You do realize that you are belittling our achievements as well - namely, working hard and scoring well on the MCAT, which is no easy task as I'm sure you know considering your low score. You seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder about it, and are basically making us out to be stupid for emphasizing this part of the application, despite all the clear evidence that it is crucial. I'm not sure if you are expecting everyone to be so impressed or jealous of how you basically did no work and got into medical school, but you won't get it here - personally, I'm pretty sure you're just lying or you think the Carribean schools are prestigious.

The problem with this "network" is that it is full of pompous, self entitled, bratty pre meds.

This would be less of a problem if you stopped posting.

 

[Sahgee]

You do realize that you are belittling our achievements as well - namely, working hard and scoring well on the MCAT, which is no easy task as I'm sure you know considering your low score. You seem to have a serious chip on your shoulder about it, and are basically making us out to be stupid for emphasizing this part of the application, despite all the clear evidence that it is crucial. I'm not sure if you are expecting everyone to be so impressed or jealous of how you basically did no work and got into medical school, but you won't get it here - personally, I'm pretty sure you're just lying or you think the Carribean schools are prestigious.



This would be less of a problem if you stopped posting.

I guarantee that if a remark is made towards or about me then it will most certainly get a response. 🙂 & who said that i didn't work on my test? The same way you're assuming that I'm telling the author of this post not to take the test again (which im not) is the same way you're assuming that i didn't work hard. I never belittled anyone & their work, which is another assumption on yours and everyone elses part. Every applicant is different. I busted my butt for my score & I guess i worked much harder on other aspects of my application as well which is why i also stood out among the rest. Focus on you & your application & your achievements & how to improve yourself rather than trying to argue with someone online that was trying to provide encouragement for a fellow pre med. Kthnxbye 🙂 & PS I deserve to be at a prestigious medical school just as much as the next person. You know nothing else about me & the fact that you would try to take from my achievements or say that i don't deserve it just speaks to you & your poor character.

 

[whatever5]

who said that i didn't work on my test?

Your results did. I have a hard time believing you worked hard to score in the 37th percentile - if you did, I have a bad news about step 1.

Also I looked at your post history and noticed you interviewed at Meharry. Perhaps you should include the fact that you are URM before telling someone "Hey I have a similar MCAT as you still got accepted, don't give up hope!".

 

[Sahgee]

Your results did. I have a hard time believing you worked hard to score in the 37th percentile - if you did, I have a bad news about step 1.

Also I looked at your post history and noticed you interviewed at Meharry. Perhaps you should include the fact that you are URM before telling someone "Hey I have the same MCAT as you still got accepted, don't give up hope!".

My step 1 is going to be just fine, believe me. Worry about your score & yourself before you give out advice/warnings : ) & youre just assuming im URM? Lol irrelevant especially when there are people with scores even lower than mine who also got accepted. doing your research on me when you should be focusing on improving yourself & your application since i see you weren't accepted at Loyola-Stritch.

Your results did. I have a hard time believing you worked hard to score in the 37th percentile - if you did, I have a bad news about step 1.

Also I looked at your post history and noticed you interviewed at Meharry. Perhaps you should include the fact that you are URM before telling someone "Hey I have the same MCAT as you still got accepted, don't give up hope!".

My step 1 is going to be just fine, believe me. Worry about your score & yourself before you give out advice/warnings : ) & youre just assuming im URM based on where I interviewed ? Lol irrelevant, especially when there are people with scores even lower than mine who also got accepted who are not urm. 😉 i wonder if that rubs you the wrong way since youre so concerned about me & my score. keep doing your research on me (which I am flattered about) when you should be focusing on improving yourself & your life lol because I am going to be just fine~ 🙂

 

[Jos.A.Bank]

Your results did. I have a hard time believing you worked hard to score in the 37th percentile - if you did, I have a bad news about step 1.

Also I looked at your post history and noticed you interviewed at Meharry. Perhaps you should include the fact that you are URM before telling someone "Hey I have the same MCAT as you still got accepted, don't give up hope!".

In an earlier post I mentioned that the assoc. dean of admissions where I'm likely going put me in touch with someone who had about the same MCAT as my 494 on the earlier version. He was not URM by any metric. So, contrary to popular opinion, I fully believe that people should not loose hope based solely on their MCAT, while not being unreasonably lofty in their pursuits. One admissions professional basically said that my MCAT score was lethal for MD and DO schools. So I didn't expect to get multiple interviews or an acceptance at a school notorious for higher than normal MCAT benchmarks. But alas, if I listened to this person, I'd be working basically waiting for my pension instead of getting to learn what I love at a great school. I guess my theory is that everyone shouldn't expect to be the statistical anomaly, but don't listen to someone who says that you can't be.

And while I understand your point about Meharrry, I've met non-URM Meharrians, so respectfully I'd hesitate to make the assumption that because someone interviews there, they've just got to be URM.

 

[Sahgee]

& this goes for everyone viewing this: just because things are not going well for you, do not take it out on others or try to bring them down. You end up looking like a jerk lol. Do not compare your walk to anyone elses's because everyone's journey to medicine is different. Focus on yourself & how to improve yourself as well whether it be military, extracurricular stuff, an mcat class or what have you. Uplift & encourage others along the way & treat them with respect just as you should with anyone else (future paitents included) not only for good karma but also because as a future doctor: that is your duty.

Now, I will continue to send out positive energy to everyone because that's just the type of person that I am & you all can continue to try & post all the stats and data you want but it will not make a difference to me lol but i do appreciate the extra attention. 🙂 😛

 

[whatever5]

My step 1 is going to be just fine, believe me. Worry about your score & yourself before you give out advice/warnings : ) & youre just assuming im URM? Lol irrelevant especially when there are people with scores even lower than mine who also got accepted. doing your research on me when you should be focusing on improving yourself & your application since i see you weren't accepted at Loyola-Stritch.

Saying that you are URM is irrelevant is very misguided, and leaving that out is giving advice based on incomplete information. Non-URM applicants are not afforded the same leniency metric-wise, and your disregard for published data is something you may want to re-evaluate before entering a career in medicine.

Side note, I was accepted to Loyola - was it reading comprehension that sunk you?

And while I understand your point about Meharrry, I've met non-URM Meharrians, so respectfully I'd hesitate to make the assumption that because someone interviews there, they've just got to be URM.

It's the fact that he interviewed there combined with the low stats. I'm just putting 2 and 2 together.

 

[Sahgee]

Saying that you are URM is irrelevant is very misguided, and leaving that out is giving advice based on incomplete information. Non-URM applicants are not afforded the same leniency metric-wise, and your disregard for published data is something you may want to re-evaluate before entering a career in medicine.

Side note, I was accepted to Loyola - was it reading comprehension that sunk you?



It's the fact that he interviewed there combined with the low stats. I'm just putting 2 and 2 together.

Then if you got into Loyola then why you are so bitter lol. We both literally got into the same school so what does that say? & nope my reading comprehension is just fine my dear. Didn't feel the need to research you like you did me because I honestly don't find you that important to have to go through the same effort that you did for me.

& again you just making that assumption also doesn't make a difference either because as i said: there are none urm's that still got lower scores than mine & got in at many other schools. Research them while you're at it since you clearly have the spare time lol.

 

[whatever5]

Then if you got into Loyola then why you are so bitter lol. We both literally got into the same school so what does that say? & nope my reading comprehension is just fine my dear. Didn't feel the need to research you like you did me because I honestly don't find you that important to have to go through the same effort that you did for me.

& again you just making that assumption also doesn't make a difference either because as i said: there are none urm's that still got lower scores than mine & got in at many other schools. Research them while you're at it since you clearly have the spare time lol.

I'm not bitter. I'm deeply troubled by your sense of entitlement and lack of humility.

Yes it does make a difference. Your anecdotes are not evidence to the contrary.

 

[jojo58]

Pros: Serving the country

Cons: Trump could very likely become Commander-in-chief

I too would much rather have an ardent socialist commanding me. Don't even worry about HPSP until you get in. It'll be a struggle with your mcat. Then devote time to researching the military route.