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There's no way to know the response would be different if the shooter had been white and the victims black but I suspect it would have been. It's the same reason why when someone from the Middle East kills people, its called radical Islamic terrorism but if a white guy kills people its not called white American terrorism.

Ever heard of Renisha McBride? Probably not, but it's a clear example of the consequences of people with guns who think they are protecting their homes

Detroit-area man gets 17 to 32 years for shooting visitor on porch

Any reasonably intelligent person who doesn't believe Trayvon Martin would be alive today if all else being the same, he had blond hair and blue eyes, yes I would absolutely consider to be a racist.

It's easy to not bring race into it, when you're not a member of the race that is disproportionately victimized by gun violence

Every time you post, an "exaggerated eye roll" GIF is born.


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[DrCommonSense]

If you break into my home when I'm there, one of us is getting a bullet. I'm not going down like that. I have a funny story about my friend who was home randomly after hitting the gym when he took an afternoon off. He's naked, some gym bimbo is in shower, he's looking for his underwear when he looks up at the security monitor that he turned on to see if the mail guy came yet and he sees some dude walking up his main stairs 50" away. He actually yelled out that he had already called the police and if he made it to the top of the stairs he was going to blow his head off. Fortunately the dude bolted. He was unarmed, didn't call the police, and was caught literally with his pants down. He hit the panic button after and locked himself in the bathroom. Lucky it was just some punk who thought he'd do a quick robbery of a nice house that left the security system left off.


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Il Destriero

Sounds pretty low T male behavior

 

[BLADEMDA]

There's no way to know the response would be different if the shooter had been white and the victims black but I suspect it would have been. It's the same reason why when someone from the Middle East kills people, its called radical Islamic terrorism but if a white guy kills people its not called white American terrorism.

Ever heard of Renisha McBride? Probably not, but it's a clear example of the consequences of people with guns who think they are protecting their homes

Detroit-area man gets 17 to 32 years for shooting visitor on porch

Any reasonably intelligent person who doesn't believe Trayvon Martin would be alive today if all else being the same, he had blond hair and blue eyes, yes I would absolutely consider to be a racist.

It's easy to not bring race into it, when you're not a member of the race that is disproportionately victimized by gun violence

Blacks are more "victimized" by other Blacks with guns. Have you not see the stats in Chicago? This is a ridiculous conversation because you somehow view home defense as having a racial component to it. Since you view everything through race there is no way to have a rational discussion.

Trayvon Martin was NOT a home defense case and has nothing to do with these murders; these Physicians were slaughtered in their own home in a brutal manner. If a white guy had done it my posts would be these same.

It's not race that defines the conversation as much as the economic status of those we are discussing; you fail to see that point here.

 

[DrCommonSense]

There's no way to know the response would be different if the shooter had been white and the victims black but I suspect it would have been. It's the same reason why when someone from the Middle East kills people, its called radical Islamic terrorism but if a white guy kills people its not called white American terrorism.

Ever heard of Renisha McBride? Probably not, but it's a clear example of the consequences of people with guns who think they are protecting their homes

Detroit-area man gets 17 to 32 years for shooting visitor on porch

Any reasonably intelligent person who doesn't believe Trayvon Martin would be alive today if all else being the same, he had blond hair and blue eyes, yes I would absolutely consider to be a racist.

It's easy to not bring race into it, when you're not a member of the race that is disproportionately victimized by gun violence

Trayvon Martin was mostly a thug too that attacked a wannabe hero Zimmerman and tried to smash his head into concrete.

Neither party was particularly innocent in that situation.

 

[BLADEMDA]

If she knocks on my door my first thoughts aren't to get my AR-15 with optic scope or the HK-45 with hollow point ammo. In fact, I wouldn't even feel threatened enough to call the police. Most normal, rational people in the USA aren't the racists you make them out to be.

 

[BLADEMDA]

Chicago: 75% of Murdered Are Black, 71% of Murderers Are Black
The numbers are horrifying.


The data on offenders also tells a troubling story: Young, Black males are overwhelmingly committing most of the murders. Based on the data on the victims, that means young, Black males are primarily killing other young, Black males. What a terrible situation.

Now, we can and should debate about the causes, but let us just say that it’s hard to believe that racism is the root of it. Yes, some will argue that systemic racism traps Blacks in poverty, but does that explain why Blacks would seem to target other Blacks with such overwhelming violence and frequency compared to any other race? Furthermore on the race issue, it’s interesting to note that the Hispanics seem to actually murder more than they are murdered, while both Whites and Blacks are indeed murdered more than they murder.

Chicago: 75% of Murdered Are Black, 71% of Murderers Are Black

 

[DrCommonSense]

There's no way to know the response would be different if the shooter had been white and the victims black but I suspect it would have been. It's the same reason why when someone from the Middle East kills people, its called radical Islamic terrorism but if a white guy kills people its not called white American terrorism.

Ever heard of Renisha McBride? Probably not, but it's a clear example of the consequences of people with guns who think they are protecting their homes

Detroit-area man gets 17 to 32 years for shooting visitor on porch

Any reasonably intelligent person who doesn't believe Trayvon Martin would be alive today if all else being the same, he had blond hair and blue eyes, yes I would absolutely consider to be a racist.

It's easy to not bring race into it, when you're not a member of the race that is disproportionately victimized by gun violence

Also, Travyon wasn't exactly some little snowflake when he was literally smashing Zimmerman's head into concrete either.

 

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[DrCommonSense]

And attendings at most of these teaching hospitals in Boston don't earn a lot of money by my standards due to the high cost of living in Boston. The average person has no clue how much income it takes to live in a $700K apartment combined with all the other expenses of living a "nice lifestyle."

Let's not forget her place cost $700K and his place was $2 million. I realize that this is pure conjecture here but this is not your typical academic couple. He was in private practice doing "Pain" so I assume he was earning 7 figures. Or, were things a bit slow and his income was $600K putting a crimp on his lifestyle.

I'm not making any excuse for the murderer here but something does seem a bit fishy.

He was earning 7 figures? Thats like >99th percentile on MGMA. Pretty impressive

 

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[BLADEMDA]

The picture posted below is a lie; the narrative being shown is simply false. Education and climbing the economic ladder is the path to success for African Americans just as it has been for every other minority group in the USA. Contrary to the narrative below most of us do not fear highly educated African Americans; we embrace them.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Opinion | Academic research on police shootings and race


"And police officers are at greater risk from blacks than unarmed blacks are from police officers. If we accept at face value The Post’s typology of “unarmed” victims, which I discussed yesterday, the per capita rate of officers being feloniously killed is 45 times higher than the rate at which unarmed black males are killed by cops. And an officer’s chance of getting killed by a black assailant is 18.5 times higher than the chance of an unarmed black getting killed by a cop."

Hmm wonder how that plays out in the police perception of the situation

 

[DrCommonSense]

I'll respond to you in kind, point by point

1) I agree gun ownership is protected by the constitution even though it is dangerous. Dont get what your point is.

2) I agree that lethal force is justifiable if someone invades your home, never said it wasn't. And of course if someone steals your gun, your family's life may not be in danger, but the next family who's home that burglar invades might be.

3) Again, I never argued that you are not allowed to keep a gun. The law once permitted men to own slaves, prohibited gay people from marrying and women from voting. You seem to think that because the constitution gives you a right, that it means its the best choice. Laws change.

4) You're wrong on this. Race is irrelevant to the facts of what occurred but very relevant to the visceral response you and others had to what happened. When shootings occur in South Chicago, or other poor neighborhoods, or violent crime afflicts black and brown people (ie committed by the police) you would not react as strongly if at all, and suggest people arm themselves for protection. But when the victims are white wealthy doctors like you are, and the shooter is a black immigrant your reaction is to support keeping a gun in your home for protection.

The type of vigilante, protect myself at all costs attitude is what led to Trayvon Martin's death. If a burglar breaks into your home, chances are he is armed working with someone else who may be armed, and has experience committing these crimes. Do you really think most of you could get to your gun and shoot and kill them before they got you? Seems more likely you may shoot and miss and his buddy may sneak up behind you and things happen very differently.

DEMCAD can teach you something son, learn from him:



And yes he is using Glocks in the video. Sorry no S+W or revolvers involved

 

[Pooh & Annie]

Great discussion.

Sounds like we all agree that poor urban areas need work. Let's take those AHCA cuts and put them into those neighborhoods. Make them feel like part of the US. Revitalization programs. Tear down the dilapidated buildings/homes. Fix the streets. Encourage business with preferential finance options and architectural upgrades. Community programs for kids.

I think the focus on "urban" crime environs is a good one, whatever you think the cause is. Tax breaks for the wealthy investor class and Jeff Sessions's renewed war on drugs certainly won't help.

 

[BLADEMDA]

Great discussion.

Sounds like we all agree that poor urban areas need work. Let's take those AHCA cuts and put them into those neighborhoods. Make them feel like part of the US. Revitalization programs. Tear down the dilapidated buildings/homes. Fix the streets. Encourage business with preferential finance options and architectural upgrades. Community programs for kids.

I think the focus on "urban" crime environs is a good one, whatever you think the cause is. Tax breaks for the wealthy investor class and Jeff Sessions's renewed war on drugs certainly won't help.

We certainly agree that the country can't afford tax breaks because we are broke. DEAD BROKE. But, the AHCA isn't likely to become law so don't count out your ACA just yet. I'm no fan of the ACA but the GOP is misguided in their efforts to repeal it because that only leads to a single payer system IMHO. I'd rather Trump work with moderate Dems to fix the ACA; yes, I know that's not the party line but my opinon nonetheless

 

[Robotic Wis-Hipple]

Great discussion.

Sounds like we all agree that poor urban areas need work. Let's take those AHCA cuts and put them into those neighborhoods. Make them feel like part of the US. Revitalization programs. Tear down the dilapidated buildings/homes. Fix the streets. Encourage business with preferential finance options and architectural upgrades. Community programs for kids.

I think the focus on "urban" crime environs is a good one, whatever you think the cause is. Tax breaks for the wealthy investor class and Jeff Sessions's renewed war on drugs certainly won't help.

This then becomes gentrification. Tearing down homes/buildings or even putting up community centers and developing after school programs doesn't do the job if the low socioeconomic class can't afford to live there anymore. There isn't an easy answer of course, but I don't think it's the buildings or "streets" (unless you mean the culture definition of "streets"). It's the low income, broken homes, and lower (even lower than normal) priority placed on education and advancement that leads to a lot of these "urban" issues.

 

[Onefellswoop87]

Blade, I appreciate all the scores of articles you copy and paste and when your pictures have actual data and sources, but this is completely false. There is no such thing as the Crime Statistics Bureau. And the picture on the left side is arguably race-baiting, which adds nothing productive to any discussion. But here is a breakdown of this picture (from the time Trump tweeted it):

Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims

 

[BLADEMDA]

Blade, I appreciate all the scores of articles you copy and paste and when your pictures have actual data and sources, but this is completely false. There is no such thing as the Crime Statistics Bureau. And the picture on the left side is arguably race-baiting, which adds nothing productive to any discussion. But here is a breakdown of this picture (from the time Trump tweeted it):

Trump's Pants on Fire tweet that blacks killed 81% of white homicide victims

I apologize for the inaccurate graph. I will make sure to verify the data next time.

Cop in the Hood: Killed by Police (2 of 3): Race

 

[BLADEMDA]

 

[chocomorsel]

Chicago: 75% of Murdered Are Black, 71% of Murderers Are Black
The numbers are horrifying.


The data on offenders also tells a troubling story: Young, Black males are overwhelmingly committing most of the murders. Based on the data on the victims, that means young, Black males are primarily killing other young, Black males. What a terrible situation.

Now, we can and should debate about the causes, but let us just say that it’s hard to believe that racism is the root of it. Yes, some will argue that systemic racism traps Blacks in poverty, but does that explain why Blacks would seem to target other Blacks with such overwhelming violence and frequency compared to any other race? Furthermore on the race issue, it’s interesting to note that the Hispanics seem to actually murder more than they are murdered, while both Whites and Blacks are indeed murdered more than they murder.

Chicago: 75% of Murdered Are Black, 71% of Murderers Are Black

Blacks target other blacks because of something very simple Blade. PROXIMITY. Most of those involved in drugs and crime live in the same rundown inner city areas, next to hardworking families who can't afford to move out of the ghetto. So because of proximity, drug dealers are fighting with each other over turf and killing each other, poor blacks are trying to rob and mug other poor blacks and killing them too, and hardworking innocents who happen to be poor are caught in the crossfire.

It is because of systemic racism that started slavery, then "freed slaves" with absolutely not a penny to their names, no education, no jobs, put them in certain parts of town so they could all live amongst their "own" people and not next to the Well-to-do whites, and this lead to poverty, and crime and a vicious cycle.

So I hope, that has answered your question. POVERTY AND PROXIMITY. I am surprised you haven't figured this out.

Because these 79% aren't getting in their cadillacs and driving 30 miles across town to go murder other people. Black or White.

Something similar is happening to rural white America these days and it's all over the news. Heroin. And plenty of poor Whites are dying over this ****, and killing each other over it. Let's see what happens when all these people start crowding the prison system.

 

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[Psai]

Guys none of this has anything to do with the fact that some dude murdered two anesthesiologists in cold blood

 

[BLADEMDA]

Guys none of this has anything to do with the fact that some dude murdered two anesthesiologists in cold blood

I totally agree with you. The alleged murderer was an immigrant (legal) from West Africa who had already been convicted of robbery just a short time ago. The color of his skin is less relevant than his robbery conviction for which he served just 364 days.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Blacks target other blacks because of something very simple Blade. PROXIMITY. Most of those involved in drugs and crime live in the same rundown inner city areas, next to hardworking families who can't afford to move out of the ghetto. So because of proximity, drug dealers are fighting with each other over turf and killing each other, poor blacks are trying to rob and mug other poor blacks and killing them too, and hardworking innocents who happen to be poor are caught in the crossfire.

It is because of systemic racism that started slavery, then "freed slaves" with absolutely not a penny to their names, no education, no jobs, put them in certain parts of town so they could all live amongst their "own" people and not next to the Well-to-do whites, and this lead to poverty, and crime and a vicious cycle.

So I hope, that has answered your question. POVERTY AND PROXIMITY. I am surprised you haven't figured this out.

Because these 79% aren't getting in their cadillacs and driving 30 miles across town to go murder other people. Black or White.

Something similar is happening to rural white America these days and it's all over the news. Heroin. And plenty of poor Whites are dying over this ****, and killing each other over it. Let's see what happens when all these people start crowding the prison system.

Cool story bro.

But if "poverty" explains such high murder rates, then why aren't Asians in poor neighborhoods offing each other at such high rates?

 

[chocomorsel]

Cool story bro.

But if "poverty" explains such high murder rates, then why aren't Asians in poor neighborhoods offing each other at such high rates?

Asians in poor neighborhood typically live in two parent households with often the grandparents involved. The fathers are involved, education is stressed as the way to the top. They are usually first or second generation immigrants who come from poor countries and know what they need to do to move up in society.

In the poor black neighborhoods, sadly, school isn't stressed as much, many parents are single with someties two jobs trying to keep their little boys out of trouble, but sadly they aren't around enough to watch them since they work so much and don't have the husbands/parents for support of care.

It's poverty and lack family support, too many kids, too many drugs in the neighborhood, lack education in the parents, and lack of stress in education for the children. A few kids make it out. Not many.

There are a lot of factors, one of them being poverty. And that is not a "cool story". It's reality. But since you are clueless I suggest you read some books and try to be a little open minded instead of so dismissive. Continue to surround yourself with your white picket fence in your fancy neighborhood, where there's probably not a black face in sight.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Asians in poor neighborhood typically live in two parent households with often the grandparents involved. The fathers are involved, education is stressed as the way to the top. They are usually first or second generation immigrants who come from poor countries and know what they need to do to move up in society.

In the poor black neighborhoods, sadly, school isn't stressed as much, many parents are single with someties two jobs trying to keep their little boys out of trouble, but sadly they aren't around enough to watch them since they work so much and don't have the husbands/parents for support of care.

It's poverty and lack family support, too many kids, too many drugs in the neighborhood, lack education in the parents, and lack of stress in education for the children. A few kids make it out. Not many.

There are a lot of factors, one of them being poverty. And that is not a "cool story". It's reality. But since you are clueless I suggest you read some books and try to be a little open minded instead of so dismissive. Continue to surround yourself with your white picket fence in your fancy neighborhood, where there's probably not a black face in sight.

So maybe you should focus on not having single moms run rampant, have a culture of gangsterism/crime/gangster rap and focus on education rather than the "F the police" narrative?

Its always easier to whine about being a "victim" rather than fixing the INTERNAL problems that are causing the problems that would require introspection.

Also, my area is far from "lily white", neither was my med school nor was my high school or college. But cool story bro on making that assumption.

Why didn't you focus on that in the first place instead of whining about police racism that plays a very small role in the problem?

 

[chocomorsel]

So maybe you should focus on not having single moms run rampant, have a culture of gangsterism/crime/gangster rap and focus on education rather than the "F the police" narrative?

Its always easier to whine about being a "victim" rather than fixing the INTERNAL problems that are causing the problems that would require introspection.

Also, my area is far from "lily white", neither was my med school nor was my high school or college. But cool story bro on making that assumption.

Why didn't you focus on that in the first place instead of whining about police racism that plays a very small role in the problem?

Please show me a quote where I stated that police racism plays a role? Clearly your reading comprehension sucks and you are reaching.
And who the hell is whining about being a "victim"? I am just explaining the multifactorial nature of the problem and answering Blake's question about why blacks target other blacks. Where the f uck did you come from to try to put me in my place?

Yes, clearly the inner city culture problem needs to be addressed from the "gansterism/crime/gangster rap focus on education/single moms running rampant". It needs to happen at home. And at school. Education is the key. But when schools in poor neighborhoods can't even afford to keep teachers or have enough books for each kid to have a book, then how the hell do we fix that?

And also, the largest consumers of that lovely "ganster rap" music, are White men!!!

And also, stop making assumptions about me as I am not your or anyone's "bro". And I will stop making them with you.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Please show me a quote where I stated that police racism plays a role? Clearly your reading comprehension sucks and you are reaching.
And who the hell is whining about being a "victim"? I am just explaining the multifactorial nature of the problem and answering Blake's question about why blacks target other blacks. Where the f uck did you come from to try to put me in my place?

Yes, clearly the inner city culture problem needs to be addressed from the "gansterism/crime/gangster rap focus on education/single moms running rampant". It needs to happen at home. And at school. Education is the key. But when schools in poor neighborhoods can't even afford to keep teachers or have enough books for each kid to have a book, then how the hell do we fix that?

And also, the largest consumers of that lovely "ganster rap" music, are White men!!!

And also, stop making assumptions about me as I am not your or anyone's "bro". And I will stop making them with you.

LOL come on you were whining just a little bit, little bit

But I agree with most of the stuff you said here.

And who said that there isn't a delinquent white culture problem developing? White culture is starting to collapse too, particularly for working class and increasingly middle class.

Collapse of family structure, heroin issues, etc are growing exponentially with a bad economy not helping things.

Plenty of upper middle class blacks are far more functional than working class whites these days as well, so its not a race thing.

I really don't know how to fix this decline either. It's a societal issue.

 

[BobBarker]

I blame the Juggaloes.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

This then becomes gentrification. Tearing down homes/buildings or even putting up community centers and developing after school programs doesn't do the job if the low socioeconomic class can't afford to live there anymore. There isn't an easy answer of course, but I don't think it's the buildings or "streets" (unless you mean the culture definition of "streets"). It's the low income, broken homes, and lower (even lower than normal) priority placed on education and advancement that leads to a lot of these "urban" issues.

You might be right. I don't know. Thinking about the next generation(s) of kids coming from these broken communities though, there is without question a belief that there are no options. The country has no interest in their neighborhoods other than occasionally sending in police to terrorize, or to take some political propaganda pics attacking whatever current politician is in charge. With the post-apocalyptic landscape and dilapidated buildings, no businesses in their right mind want to go there. There aren't jobs. There's nothing to do.

Both sides I think are right on this one. People need to take responsibility for their lives and futures, but everyone needs to see the circumstances that led to this catastrophe, circumstances that to some degree persist. Poor black people have every right to have anger toward a white establishment that did everything in its power to keep them where they are, while recognizing that they can really only count on themselves to get out of it. And they have to KNOW that they CAN get out of it.

 

[DrCommonSense]

You might be right. I don't know. Thinking about the next generation(s) of kids coming from these broken communities though, there is without question a belief that there are no options. The country has no interest in their neighborhoods other than occasionally sending in police to terrorize, or to take some political propaganda pics attacking whatever current politician is in charge. With the post-apocalyptic landscape and dilapidated buildings, no businesses in their right mind want to go there. There aren't jobs. There's nothing to do.

Both sides I think are right on this one. People need to take responsibility for their lives and futures, but everyone needs to see the circumstances that led to this catastrophe, circumstances that to some degree persist. Poor black people have every right to have anger toward a white establishment that did everything in its power to keep them where they are, while recognizing that they can really only count on themselves to get out of it. And they have to KNOW that they CAN get out of it.

That same white establishment is trying to hold everyone down.

You think rich people who run things want competition or a merit based system?

 

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[doctalaughs]

Please show me a quote where I stated that police racism plays a role? Clearly your reading comprehension sucks and you are reaching.
And who the hell is whining about being a "victim"? I am just explaining the multifactorial nature of the problem and answering Blake's question about why blacks target other blacks. Where the f uck did you come from to try to put me in my place?

Yes, clearly the inner city culture problem needs to be addressed from the "gansterism/crime/gangster rap focus on education/single moms running rampant". It needs to happen at home. And at school. Education is the key. But when schools in poor neighborhoods can't even afford to keep teachers or have enough books for each kid to have a book, then how the hell do we fix that?

And also, the largest consumers of that lovely "ganster rap" music, are White men!!!

And also, stop making assumptions about me as I am not your or anyone's "bro". And I will stop making them with you.

You may not believe police racism and victim culture are the major issues but I'm pretty sure this is the main item in the national dialogue right now.

Where is the grassroots outrage and "BLM"-type massive movement against deadbeat fathers, gang violence and careless attitudes towards getting an education? Instead of looking inward its all about blaming other groups. If the real racism in this country magically disappeared tomorrow, the black community would still be in about the same position for the foreseeable future.


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[anonperson]

So maybe you should focus on not having single moms run rampant, have a culture of gangsterism/crime/gangster rap and focus on education rather than the "F the police" narrative?

Its always easier to whine about being a "victim" rather than fixing the INTERNAL problems that are causing the problems that would require introspection.

Also, my area is far from "lily white", neither was my med school nor was my high school or college. But cool story bro on making that assumption.

Why didn't you focus on that in the first place instead of whining about police racism that plays a very small role in the problem?

Lol, damn.

I'm a minority (not black) but you gotta be kidding yourself if you don't think black people as a whole haven't had an unreasonable card dealt in this country.

Are their internal problems within certain parts of the black community? Sure, lack of stable families, drugs, poverty etc but it's hard to argue that at times, the country has shown a special kind of disdain to black people.

Slavery, (I know it was over a century ago) but the resulting Jim Crow laws and rampant racism put a generation or two behind the curve regarding opportunities etc.
The Tulsa Race Riots are another negative mark on US history.
Hell, even drug crimes. Why such a difference in sentencing for cocaine ("white persons drug") vs crack cocaine ("black persons drug")
It's also interesting now that certain white communities are getting nailed pretty hard by the opiate epidemic there seems to be a shift from punishment (Tough on crime!) to more compassionate way of dealing with addicts. Not sure if this is due to the changing demographics or just time and our changing understanding of the addiction situation/process.

Police interactions with the black community seem to be pretty terrible now which isn't great for either side.

To the overall issue at hand, taking all this into account, when should a group stop being a victim and "pick themselves up by their own bootstraps"?
I don't know to be honest. But I don't think it's as simple as telling people to get over it.

As a minority with parents who immigrated to this country over 30 years ago, they made a good life for themselves and me. Was there racism? Sure, goes without saying but it wasn't severe enough to prevent them from being successful in life. But I'm not sure this situation can be completely analogous to the experience of blacks or native americans.

 

[Pooh & Annie]

That same white establishment is trying to hold everyone down.

You think rich people who run things want competition or a merit based system?

You're not wrong. But "race" is another tool the wealthy white political/corporate class uses to get poor whites to think they're on the same side.

 

[doctalaughs]

Lol, damn.

I'm a minority (not black) but you gotta be kidding yourself if you don't think black people as a whole haven't had an unreasonable card dealt in this country.

Are their internal problems within certain parts of the black community? Sure, lack of stable families, drugs, poverty etc but it's hard to argue that at times, the country has shown a special kind of disdain to black people.

Slavery, (I know it was over a century ago) but the resulting Jim Crow laws and rampant racism put a generation or two behind the curve regarding opportunities etc.
The Tulsa Race Riots are another negative mark on US history.
Hell, even drug crimes. Why such a difference in sentencing for cocaine ("white persons drug") vs crack cocaine ("black persons drug")
It's also interesting now that certain white communities are getting nailed pretty hard by the opiate epidemic there seems to be a shift from punishment (Tough on crime!) to more compassionate way of dealing with addicts. Not sure if this is due to the changing demographics or just time and our changing understanding of the addiction situation/process.

Police interactions with the black community seem to be pretty terrible now which isn't great for either side.

To the overall issue at hand, taking all this into account, when should a group stop being a victim and "pick themselves up by their own bootstraps"?
I don't know to be honest. But I don't think it's as simple as telling people to get over it.

As a minority with parents who immigrated to this country over 30 years ago, they made a good life for themselves and me. Was there racism? Sure, goes without saying but it wasn't severe enough to prevent them from being successful in life. But I'm not sure this situation can be completely analogous to the experience of blacks or native americans.

Slavery was outlawed in 1865. No one is saying it didn't put a "generation or two" behind the curve. No one is saying racism isn't real for many minorities.

There are other races/minorities that have experienced slavery, constant discrimination or worse (genocide) around the world.

If you, your parents and your grandparents were not part of the oppression/atrocities it's time to move beyond the role of victim and take responsibility for your own successes or failures.


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[immunopath]

For those of us who carry concealed, I am curious as to how you store your firearms in your vehicles since they are not allowed in the hospital?

Any lawful suggestions ?

 

[vector2]

Slavery was outlawed in 1865. No one is saying it didn't put a "generation or two" behind the curve. No one is saying racism isn't real for many minorities.

There are other races/minorities that have experienced slavery, constant discrimination or worse (genocide) around the world.

If you, your parents and your grandparents were not part of the oppression/atrocities it's time to move beyond the role of victim and take responsibility for your own successes or failures.


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Slavery ended in 1865 but yet as recently as 15 yrs ago, you're 50% more likely to get a job resume callback if your name is Emily or Greg vs Lakisha or Jamal, even if the qualifications are the same.

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

 

[pgg]

For those of us who carry concealed, I am curious as to how you store your firearms in your vehicles since they are not allowed in the hospital?

Any lawful suggestions ?

You can get a small biometric or combination handgun safe, put it under or behind a seat, and cable lock it to the base of the seat.

Edit - Note that this may not be sufficient to be legal; you can't (for example) park in a Post Office lot or (in general) drive onto a military base with the firearm in the car, even if it's in the safe.

 

[DrCommonSense]

Lol, damn.

I'm a minority (not black) but you gotta be kidding yourself if you don't think black people as a whole haven't had an unreasonable card dealt in this country.

Are their internal problems within certain parts of the black community? Sure, lack of stable families, drugs, poverty etc but it's hard to argue that at times, the country has shown a special kind of disdain to black people.

Slavery, (I know it was over a century ago) but the resulting Jim Crow laws and rampant racism put a generation or two behind the curve regarding opportunities etc.
The Tulsa Race Riots are another negative mark on US history.
Hell, even drug crimes. Why such a difference in sentencing for cocaine ("white persons drug") vs crack cocaine ("black persons drug")
It's also interesting now that certain white communities are getting nailed pretty hard by the opiate epidemic there seems to be a shift from punishment (Tough on crime!) to more compassionate way of dealing with addicts. Not sure if this is due to the changing demographics or just time and our changing understanding of the addiction situation/process.

Police interactions with the black community seem to be pretty terrible now which isn't great for either side.

To the overall issue at hand, taking all this into account, when should a group stop being a victim and "pick themselves up by their own bootstraps"?
I don't know to be honest. But I don't think it's as simple as telling people to get over it.

As a minority with parents who immigrated to this country over 30 years ago, they made a good life for themselves and me. Was there racism? Sure, goes without saying but it wasn't severe enough to prevent them from being successful in life. But I'm not sure this situation can be completely analogous to the experience of blacks or native americans.

Here is the perfect case that just broke as to why the black community focuses on the wrong things:

Video shows moments after teen shot by Connecticut cop | Daily Mail Online

Here is a 15 year old kid who stole a car with a 21 y/o, rammed it into a police car and gets shot.

Instead of asking why this is such a common occurrence and how to prevent them from doing this, they immediately blame the police for shooting the kid and "not getting him attention fast enough".

They change the narrative to one of police brutality rather than the much bigger issue of criminality and bad behavior.

Also, what kind of minority are you?

I also don't get how my family who immigrated to the USA after slavery, never benefited or owned a slave, etc is now being "punished" for crimes of some slave owners mostly in the South (only 2% owned slaves) through Affirmative Action policies that discriminate against myself and others like me?

Why should the children of Johnny Cochran get extra points at Harvard because he is "black" over the poor white kid?

 

[DrCommonSense]

You're not wrong. But "race" is another tool the wealthy white political/corporate class uses to get poor whites to think they're on the same side.

I don't think the poor whites are taking much solace in that considering them offing themselves with heroin, broken families, etc.

The rich is making it bad for everyone through crony capitalism, manipulation of the stock market, ridiculous corrupt CEO compensation practices, political gangsterism, etc.

 

[Twiggidy]

The one and only reason I haven't bought a gun for protection.....

Fla. woman Marissa Alexander gets 20 years for "warning shot": Did she stand her ground? - CBS News

vs

Zimmerman Is Acquitted in Trayvon Martin Killing

 

[Twiggidy]

Blacks are more "victimized" by other Blacks with guns.

typical response

 

[dhb]

Slavery ended in 1865 but yet as recently as 15 yrs ago, you're 50% more likely to get a job resume callback if your name is Emily or Greg vs Lakisha or Jamal, even if the qualifications are the same.

Employers' Replies to Racial Names

So why not call your kid Greg instead of Jamal? Seems like a no brainer.