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Just heard about UQ-Ocshner this morning.

What is "MedEdPath"? What's the relationship between Ochsner,MedEdPath and UQ?
Where can I find information on the attrition rate?
Can this education be financed with loans from the US Government (Stafford & GradPLUS)?
I see the 93% match rate - that looks great. Is the overall palcement rate published anywhere? What did the unlucky 7% do after graduating?
 
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Exactly... I think the cohort three years ago didn't even have an interview. And then they started doing interviews two years ago but it wasn't MMI. I guess with so many qualified applicants who are literally rejecting multiple DO offers to come to UQ-O, they have the luxury to be more selective.
I think you might be confusing the UQ-O and UQ traditional programs. The Ochsner program has had interviews for a while now. The UQ traditional program recently added interviews as a requirement. Ochsner made them add a interview after the first couple of classes made it to New Orleans and there were some students that personality wise were not fit for medicine. This is the first year they are doing MMI though. In previous years, the interview was talking for 6 minutes each for several questions without any real interaction from the interviewers. If you passed, your packet was sent to Australia to be reviewed. If you failed then you received an email informing you, your application would not be to sent to Australia.

Also, during my visit to New Orleans, the Dean mentioned they are trying to have a smaller class size than in previous years.

So I did finally get a response today, and while it's not surprising that I didn't get any specific feedback about why I was rejected, I was informed of the following:

"Applicants are ranked based on the following formula: MMI 50%, GPA 25%, MCAT 25%."
Sorry to hear you got rejected. Good news is that you can always reapply. Based on the GPA/MCAT of others that were accepted, it seems your MMI was what held you back. Thats honestly one of the easiest things to approve on. Best of luck.
 
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I think you might be confusing the UQ-O and UQ traditional programs. The Ochsner program has had interviews for a while now. The UQ traditional program recently added interviews as a requirement. Ochsner made them add a interview after the first couple of classes made it to New Orleans and there were some students that personality wise were not fit for medicine. This is the first year they are doing MMI though. In previous years, the interview was talking for 6 minutes each for several questions without any real interaction from the interviewers. If you passed, your packet was sent to Australia to be reviewed. If you failed then you received an email informing you, your application would not be to sent to Australia.

Also, during my visit to New Orleans, the Dean mentioned they are trying to have a smaller class size than in previous years.


Sorry to hear you got rejected. Good news is that you can always reapply. Based on the GPA/MCAT of others that were accepted, it seems your MMI was what held you back. Thats honestly one of the easiest things to approve on. Best of luck.
They are trying to have a smaller class size just as I am ready to apply. Awesome haha
 

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I think you might be confusing the UQ-O and UQ traditional programs. The Ochsner program has had interviews for a while now. The UQ traditional program recently added interviews as a requirement. Ochsner made them add a interview after the first couple of classes made it to New Orleans and there were some students that personality wise were not fit for medicine. This is the first year they are doing MMI though. In previous years, the interview was talking for 6 minutes each for several questions without any real interaction from the interviewers. If you passed, your packet was sent to Australia to be reviewed. If you failed then you received an email informing you, your application would not be to sent to Australia.

Also, during my visit to New Orleans, the Dean mentioned they are trying to have a smaller class size than in previous years.


Sorry to hear you got rejected. Good news is that you can always reapply. Based on the GPA/MCAT of others that were accepted, it seems your MMI was what held you back. Thats honestly one of the easiest things to approve on. Best of luck.
My class was the first class to have interviews. I am a 4th year student and the UQ-O Program is now in its 9th year.
 
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Just heard about UQ-Ocshner this morning.

What is "MedEdPath"? What's the relationship between Ochsner,MedEdPath and UQ?
Where can I find information on the attrition rate?
Can this education be financed with loans from the US Government (Stafford & GradPLUS)?
I see the 93% match rate - that looks great. Is the overall palcement rate published anywhere? What did the unlucky 7% do after graduating?
Mededpath is the U.S. based application team used by UQ. They are the people that you send your application to, that make sure your paperwork is in order and are your first point of contact for questions or concerns as a prospective student. You talk to them if you are an applicant or prospective applicant thinking of applying.

Ochsner admin are the frontline staff who work in support of current students at Ochsner on rotations. Ochsner people also manage the interviews of applicants, interview day, etc.

UQ makes final decisions to accept people based on feedback from the Ochsner faculty who score you on interview I think. When I applied several years ago my application was forwarded to UQ to be decided on after passing the interview at Ochsner (not sure if it was just a stamp of approval or anything else, but the program has clearly gotten more competitive since then) but I'm not sure if that process has changed and if the acceptance is now directly decided by Ochsner. Honestly it doesn't really matter who decides because that is out of your hands. You apply and do your best on interview day and thats it. UQ admin are the people you deal with in your first 2 years in Brisbane. When you get to Ochsner you pretty much exclusively deal with Ochsner admin people.

Yes you can get US Govt Loans

What do you mean overall placement rate? They give you that information and its based on people who applied for the match. The people who didn't match likely end up doing a research year, reapplying next year, or getting a prelim spot somewhere after the match, or going back to Australia.

Hope this helps.
 
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Mededpath is the U.S. based application team used by UQ. They are the people that you send your application to, that make sure your paperwork is in order and are your first point of contact for questions or concerns as a prospective student. You talk to them if you are an applicant or prospective applicant thinking of applying.

Ochsner admin are the frontline staff who work in support of current students at Ochsner on rotations. Ochsner people also manage the interviews of applicants, interview day, etc.

UQ makes final decisions to accept people based on feedback from the Ochsner faculty who score you on interview I think. When I applied several years ago my application was forwarded to UQ to be decided on after passing the interview at Ochsner (not sure if it was just a stamp of approval or anything else, but the program has clearly gotten more competitive since then) but I'm not sure if that process has changed and if the acceptance is now directly decided by Ochsner. Honestly it doesn't really matter who decides because that is out of your hands. You apply and do your best on interview day and thats it. UQ admin are the people you deal with in your first 2 years in Brisbane. When you get to Ochsner you pretty much exclusively deal with Ochsner admin people.

Yes you can get US Govt Loans

What do you mean overall placement rate? They give you that information and its based on people who applied for the match. The people who didn't match likely end up doing a research year, reapplying next year, or getting a prelim spot somewhere after the match, or going back to Australia.

Hope this helps.
MedEdPath is the equivalent of AMCAS/AACOMAS then - gotcha.

This is just a very unique program and not at all something I’m familiar with.

By overall placement - I mean people who Match + Soap + Scramble into a residency. It’s possible to have a higher placement rate than NRMP Match rate.

If things don’t work at for those folks stateside, is it possible for them to do residency in Australia?
 

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MedEdPath is the equivalent of AMCAS/AACOMAS then - gotcha.

This is just a very unique program and not at all something I’m familiar with.

By overall placement - I mean people who Match + Soap + Scramble into a residency. It’s possible to have a higher placement rate than NRMP Match rate.

If things don’t work at for those folks stateside, is it possible for them to do residency in Australia?
1) No idea. Most people who are eligible for the match do fine. Thats all you should worry about.

2) Depends when they decide. Match day is in March and Australian interns start working in January. You would be unlikely to get a spot in Australia that late in the Australian calendar year if you don't match in March. There are some students who just give up on matching here if they are too behind on their step exams by their third year and they start the application process to Australia earlier and likely get a spot somewhere. They can also set up extra rotations in Australia to do more networking there in their fourth year if they decide earlier that they won't match here in the US or don't want to. None of that is guaranteed.

For other ochsner students who are competitive for the match here, they decide at some point they just prefer living in Australia and move there to train and live permanently as doctors. They will likely have some hoops to jump through in terms of getting permanent residency/citizen status at some point in their training (many speciality training pathways in Australia demand either citizenship or permanent residency status before taking you on and the Australian training takes much longer to compete (they don't go right into a specific residency like we do here) That is beyond the scope of this ochsner thread and an entirely other rabbit hole.
 
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1) No idea. Most people who are eligible for the match do fine. Thats all you should worry about.

2) Depends when they decide. Match day is in March and Australian interns start working in January. You would be unlikely to get a spot in Australia that late in the Australian calendar year if you don't match in March. There are some students who just give up on matching here if they are too behind on their step exams by their third year and they start the application process to Australia earlier and likely get a spot somewhere. They can also set up extra rotations in Australia to do more networking there in their fourth year if they decide earlier that they won't match here in the US or don't want to. None of that is guaranteed.

For other ochsner students who are competitive for the match here, they decide at some point they just prefer living in Australia and move there to train and live permanently as doctors. They will likely have some hoops to jump through in terms of getting permanent residency/citizen status at some point in their training (many speciality training pathways in Australia demand either citizenship or permanent residency status before taking you on and the Australian training takes much longer to compete (they don't go right into a specific residency like we do here) That is beyond the scope of this ochsner thread and an entirely other rabbit hole.
Thank you these informative responses. You clearly put a lot of thought into that answer I appreciate that - I wouldn’t even know where else’s to go to find the info you’ve provided. I checked out the 2019 Cohort thread and noticed some of your posts there - kudos to you for promoting information about your school.

However, as an American looking at international schools, I have to question everything about it (i.e., figure out the worst-case scenarios).

“Most people who are eligible for the match do fine”
This is great and the >90% match rate is something distinctive about UQ (and why I’m looking at it). Like with other Int’l schools, I would like to know what lies behind “most people.” Do you know the attrition rate for your program? Because SGU’s match rate isn’t “terrible,” but half the class gets kicked out beforehand. I’m not comparing your school to SGU - I’m just highlighting how the truth under these stats isn’t always pretty.

“That’s all you should worry about”
I will respectfully disagree with this word choice. I don’t know what your intent or tone was, but this came across to me as a dismissive. In choosing an Int’l school, anybody who is considering applying should have all of the facts straight. Placement and Match Rate are different and relevant For example, most DO schools have an ~82% NRMP Match rate - but their overall residency placement rate (DO-only slots, SOAP, Scramble + Military) is nearly 100%.

One more question. I’m an American, but don’t have a passport (and it would probably take me time to get one). Is it possible to get an interview for 2020 before having that - or would my best bet be the 2021 cohort? If it’s relevant, my numbers are around:
uGPA 3.1-3.4
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Thank you these informative responses. You clearly put a lot of thought into that answer I appreciate that - I wouldn’t even know where else’s to go to find the info you’ve provided. I checked out the 2019 Cohort thread and noticed some of your posts there - kudos to you for promoting information about your school.

However, as an American looking at international schools, I have to question everything about it (i.e., figure out the worst-case scenarios).

“Most people who are eligible for the match do fine”
This is great and the >90% match rate is something distinctive about UQ (and why I’m looking at it). Like with other Int’l schools, I would like to know what lies behind “most people.” Do you know the attrition rate for your program? Because SGU’s match rate isn’t “terrible,” but half the class gets kicked out beforehand. I’m not comparing your school to SGU - I’m just highlighting how the truth under these stats isn’t always pretty.

“That’s all you should worry about”
I will respectfully disagree with this word choice. I don’t know what your intent or tone was, but this came across to me as a dismissive. In choosing an Int’l school, anybody who is considering applying should have all of the facts straight. Placement and Match Rate are different and relevant For example, most DO schools have an ~82% NRMP Match rate - but their overall residency placement rate (DO-only slots, SOAP, Scramble + Military) is nearly 100%.

One more question. I’m an American, but don’t have a passport (and it would probably take me time to get one). Is it possible to get an interview for 2020 before having that - or would my best bet be the 2021 cohort? If it’s relevant, my numbers are around:
uGPA 3.1-3.4
SMP 3.7-4.0
MCAT 510-513
Not sure about overall attrition rate. But when we had final exams and were provided a score analysis of the class/results from UQ about 5 percent of all students got below a passing grade (this is all students- ochsner, domestic, international so maybe 25 out of 500 roughly each semester). Most of these students would be eligible for supplemental assessment (basically another exam and a chance to pass and move on). My understanding is that roughly 50 percent of those taking supplemental assessment passed and moved on. If you didn't you would resit the same course the following year and be a year behind. Based on that info-- attrition rate is minimal. I know only a few people that needed to repeat a semester in the 1st 2 years out of my entire Ochsner cohort. I know of no one that was not eligible to progress at all for failing too many times. That doesn't mean they don't exist it just means failing isn't common.

Didn't mean to be dismissive-- have no idea about the deeper numbers besides what is published. I meant that if you are applying smart and have your steps all done you will likely do fine, this is what we've always been told by admin and what we've heard from upper years. So thats why I said don't worry about it. The people who don't match either applied for something too competitive for their application (and didn't have a back up) or were not eligible to match because they didn't have all their steps done. But I'm not sure how the people who didn't even apply for the match are counted in the data. The data for U.S. schools is not a 100 percent match rate either. Perhaps mededpath can help you further with your questions.

Ask Mededpath about the passport thing. No idea. I would imagine you could interview but in order to enroll you would need to show proof that you can travel. But I have no idea. Perhaps get started on that now.
 
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By the way, I wasn't trying to be aggressive with my questioning or make you question your own choices (or that of the others on this thread). The source for info just hasn't been too straightforward to find. UQO is pretty niche, it looks like.

Based on that info-- attrition rate is minimal
Agreed. Sounds like everybody who's capable and trying is getting by OK.

I meant that if you are applying smart and have your steps all done you will likely do fine
Yeah as a premed I never really thought of this. I'm sure that some of the people who did not match had a 210 Step 1 and shot straight for orthoderm.


The data for U.S. schools is not a 100 percent match rate either
Very fair! The comparison is to the USMD average, not the "ideal" USMD.

Perhaps mededpath can help you further with your questions.
They'll be my next stop for info.

This almost this looks too good to be true. 95% chance of USMD match and I'd get to live two years in Australia and could start in 2020! Kinda crazy that the school's so successful with an average GPA of 3.4 and other unorthodox admission procedures. Just, wow.

You seem cool and the data I've seen looks good. Your story makes sense. Good luck @mcat_taker ! I hope the best for you.
 

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Class sizes of previous years was 120. You can do the math pretty easily for number who matched and the match rate. I think 4-5 people didn’t match based on whom I knew that entered and the list at the end. I think my year 95ish walked in our graduation. Some quit, some ended up delayed and couldn’t walk. They also didn’t include the 6 of us that returned to Australia as far as I know in the match numbers. Medical school is hard whereever you do it. If you want to come to Australia over taking a US spot I’d say that’s likely a dumb plan based on the additional hoops as an international you have to go through. There’s no reason to intentionally handicap yourself for the chance to go to school abroad.
 

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By the way, I wasn't trying to be aggressive with my questioning or make you question your own choices (or that of the others on this thread). The source for info just hasn't been too straightforward to find. UQO is pretty niche, it looks like.



Agreed. Sounds like everybody who's capable and trying is getting by OK.



Yeah as a premed I never really thought of this. I'm sure that some of the people who did not match had a 210 Step 1 and shot straight for orthoderm.




Very fair! The comparison is to the USMD average, not the "ideal" USMD.



They'll be my next stop for info.

This almost this looks too good to be true. 95% chance of USMD match and I'd get to live two years in Australia and could start in 2020! Kinda crazy that the school's so successful with an average GPA of 3.4 and other unorthodox admission procedures. Just, wow.

You seem cool and the data I've seen looks good. Your story makes sense. Good luck @mcat_taker ! I hope the best for you.
You would likely need to act quickly for 2020 as the class starts filling up around this month or next month. Your app seems competitive but I'm a couple years out from applications and have no role with interviews at Ochsner so I don't know what they consider competitive anymore. It's a good program and many have chosen it over DO acceptances in the past but I don't think anyone chooses it over a USMD acceptance which opens more doors and makes life much easier. You're still an IMG after all and your app looks competitive for at least trying for USMD schools.
 
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You would likely need to act quickly for 2020 as the class starts filling up around this month or next month. Your app seems competitive but I'm a couple years out from applications and have no role with interviews at Ochsner so I don't know what they consider competitive anymore. It's a good program and many have chosen it over DO acceptances in the past but I don't think anyone chooses it over a USMD acceptance which opens more doors and makes life much easier. You're still an IMG after all and your app looks competitive for at least trying for USMD schools.
There are people in our class (first year) that turned down US MD acceptances
 
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Why is it so stupid? Because there are certain things about being an IMG that make life more difficult? Well what if you really want to come here? There are people here who really wanted the life experience of living in Australia for two years followed by living in New Orleans for two years (where you are undoubtedly getting phenomenal clinical training). I know many people who came here because it was their goal to do residency in New Orleans and if they didn’t get into LSU they thought coming here would give them a great shot to do that (granted I don’t think these people are gunning for ortho). The vast vast majority of people who take it seriously and do the things they have to do to match make it through just fine. You’re in professional school and you have to conduct yourself accordingly and make the right decisions. If you do that you shouldn’t have problems (I know you graduated Sean, not speaking to you specifically here, just making a comment). But as far as saying it’s stupid, well coming here is what a lot of people genuinely wanted to do. Is it stupid to deny yourself of what you want just because there are some added difficulties? If you do what you’re supposed to do, the end result should be just the same
 

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Why is it so stupid? Because there are certain things about being an IMG that make life more difficult? Well what if you really want to come here? There are people here who really wanted the life experience of living in Australia for two years followed by living in New Orleans for two years (where you are undoubtedly getting phenomenal clinical training). I know many people who came here because it was their goal to do residency in New Orleans and if they didn’t get into LSU they thought coming here would give them a great shot to do that (granted I don’t think these people are gunning for ortho). The vast vast majority of people who take it seriously and do the things they have to do to match make it through just fine. You’re in professional school and you have to conduct yourself accordingly and make the right decisions. If you do that you shouldn’t have problems (I know you graduated Sean, not speaking to you specifically here, just making a comment). But as far as saying it’s stupid, well coming here is what a lot of people genuinely wanted to do. Is it stupid to deny yourself of what you want just because there are some added difficulties? If you do what you’re supposed to do, the end result should be just the same
Well said. And thanks for the feedback from a lower level student. It's always good to have multiple perspectives. I know the class has gotten more competitive in each subsequent year (in my year no one I know was sitting on a USMD acceptance-- that being said plenty I know had impressive enough stats for USMD, they just didn't want to keep waiting around/applying for another cycle/dealing with the uncertainty and maybe someone I don't know personally had an acceptance in hand) but that is great that people in your class chose the program over USMD acceptances in hand. Like you said it's their life and their decision to do so if they value the way this program is structured and having that experience. It only makes this program stronger. No doubt I think this program is pretty sweet and would much rather be here then at LSU or Tulane.
 

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Honestly yes. Medical school is hard enough without the added difficulties and the stigma of being an IMG. Yes ochsner students have made inroads at a number of programs and many of the matches have been impressive, however, those people would have had equally impressive matches from a USMD program. It’s the people with mediocre or average scores that are trying to get into more competitive programs. You limit opportunities. Additionally if you look at resident cohorts some programs straight up do not even interview IMGs regardless. With that said UQO is great. The teaching is good. I got a ton of experience at ochsner that I know student from Tulane and LSU didn’t get. I had fun and I ended up choosing to stay in Australia and I am quite happy with that decision. Everyone has to decide what they want in the end. It’s your life. And yes if you check the boxes you’ll likely match just as we’ve had in the past. I’m glad the program has become even more competitive I just don’t see the point of making life harder for the sake of it.
 
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Honestly yes. Medical school is hard enough without the added difficulties and the stigma of being an IMG. Yes ochsner students have made inroads at a number of programs and many of the matches have been impressive, however, those people would have had equally impressive matches from a USMD program. It’s the people with mediocre or average scores that are trying to get into more competitive programs. You limit opportunities. Additionally if you look at resident cohorts some programs straight up do not even interview IMGs regardless. With that said UQO is great. The teaching is good. I got a ton of experience at ochsner that I know student from Tulane and LSU didn’t get. I had fun and I ended up choosing to stay in Australia and I am quite happy with that decision. Everyone has to decide what they want in the end. It’s your life. And yes if you check the boxes you’ll likely match just as we’ve had in the past. I’m glad the program has become even more competitive I just don’t see the point of making life harder for the sake of it.
Agreed. I researched with and shadowed a residency program director in a surgical specialty at a top children's hospital, and he told me straight up that he throws IMG applications into the trashcan without hesitation. IMGs are huge lawsuit/reputation risks to take on (whether their rotations were in the US or not), and why even look at them when there's loads and loads of qualified USMD graduates getting rejected left and right? With the recent surge of USMD schools opening up, IMG (UQ-O, Sackler, Caribbean or not) opportunities in the US is looking dismal. 14 brand new schools USMD schools have opened since 2013. We haven't seen most of their inaugural classes enter the match yet but will soon. I know Dell Austin is gonna destroy the Match in 2020 b/c I have a friend in the inaugural class (2016) and their Step 1 average is 245+ (one of the highest in the nation). The few people who match into competitive specialties as an IMG either have very good connections to begin with or absolutely destroyed Step 1 with awesome research or are URM. As far as I can see: USMD > USDO > Non-Carib MD >> Carib MD
 
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it's not letting me PM you, but where is the best place to live for the first year? i prefer living alone initially.
Check old UQ-Ochsner threads. This has been discussed quite a bit. The ideal situation is to live on the 66 bus route, because it goes from campus at St. Lucia where you'll have lectures, some pracs & CBL first year, and the clinical sites (PA, Mater, RBWH) where you'll have clinical coaching and your pathology tutorials. It's kind of an individual situation choosing where to live, as an example if you chose to in St. Lucia close to campus versus living in South Bank or the CBD. Just know you'll obviously have to pay more to live on your own, and I'm not sure what the going rates are for 1 BR apartments in different parts of Brisbane at the moment. People have done it in the past, so it's most likely doable.
 
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1. Are classes mostly in St. Lucia or in the Mayne Medical building?
2. What is a "normal" rent p/w for most students?
3. What phone companies are good?
4. Which Step 1 topics need to be self-taught?
 
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Couple kinda random questions for a current student:

1. Are classes mostly in St. Lucia or in the Mayne Medical building?
2. What is a "normal" rent p/w for most students?
3. What phone companies are good?
4. Which Step 1 topics need to be self-taught?
Things always change, but here's my thoughts as a current 4th year:

1. Lectures and some pracs/tutorials/CBL are at St. Lucia. Almost nothing is in Herston at Mayne. Clinical coaching and pathology will be at the clinical sites. You may have to go up to Herston/Mayne as a one-off for one reason or another (like taking a picture with the statue of Hippocrates in front of Mayne for the 'gram).

2. "Normal" varies on suburb and roommate situation. You could have a bunch of roommates and live further out from the CBD and probably pay $120 AUD/pw, or live in the CBD/South Bank and pay $450 pw or more for 1 BR. It really varies.

3. The major carriers are Telstra and Optus. They're pretty equal, there are smaller carriers too, if you want to do pre-paid, or want to do month-to-month.

4. Historically, and this may have changed because I think they're actually putting in more effort towards it now, microbiology, biochemistry, and pharmacology required much more time to self-study, and depends on your background. If you have a PhD in biochemistry, you're probably going to be fine on that front.
 

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Couple kinda random questions for a current student:

1. Are classes mostly in St. Lucia or in the Mayne Medical building?
2. What is a "normal" rent p/w for most students?
3. What phone companies are good?
4. Which Step 1 topics need to be self-taught?
1. Lectures and CBL tutorials in St. Lucia in 1st year. At your Clinical hospital sites for 2nd year. Lectures are also all recorded as well.

2. @ilovechocolate1995 relevant for your question as well. There is no normal rent. Some people live with a few other classmates. Some prefer to live on their own. Everyone's budget varies. You pay what you are comfortable with. Typically CBD and Southbank will have the most expensive rents but also good central location for everything. Many international students Ochsner/Canadians prefer Southbank/South Brisbane especially for this reason. Australians typically live a bit further out because most of them have cars. Living close to the 66 route is pretty convenient. If you live near the river the ferry is also a good option to get to St. Lucia at least. Brisbane is a smallish city and lots of living locations can be doable.

3. Doesn't matter. They all will work in Brisbane.

4. Historically biochemistry and microbiology.