USMLE USMLE - Official 2016 Step 2 CK Experiences and Scores Thread

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Hello everyone!

With 2016 around the corner, I thought it would be a good time to start this thread and continue the 2015 thread into the new year!

Similar threads from the past have been extremely helpful to me (and I'm sure) and many others.

Good luck to everyone taking Step 2 CK in 2016!
 
So almost like getting a history from every patient IRL?
It's a test. They have to make it difficult somehow, otherwise it would be pointless.
Of course real life patients can be challenging and give a non-specific history etc. But say you have a patient who comes to your department with a STEMI-like EKG, and he tells you that his chest pain is extremely severe, somewhat ripping, and radiates to his back. Now even if that guy has a low pretest probability of having aortic dissection (no other risk factors, no clinical findings, i.e. 1/3 points only), and you know that most of these patients will "just" have an MI, you will have to get him a CT scan before you throw antiplatelets and anticoagulants in his direction and take him to the cath lab, because in this case your decision might carry massive consequences. The problem is that the exam does not let you think like that. Yes, an MI will certainly still be the most probable diagnosis, but what does that mean test-wise? Forget about your gut feeling and go back to guidelines where 1/3 points equals D-dimer+CXR+transthoracic echocardiography while his myocardium is dying? Am I allowed to be flexible like a clinician needs to be? I don't think I am the only one here who gets confused because of the kind of wording used by the NBME. As Cabergoline wrote, sometimes you do multiple things at once. For example, there are a lot of patients in whom you initially do not know whether the diagnosis is COPD exacerbation or decompensated HF, and the auscultation is equivocal. All those old fellas have diastolic dysfunction anyway. So you obviously throw both loop diuretics and beta 2 agonists (and needless to say, oxygen) their way at the same time, because that is how you do it. You do not just let the patient sit and have dyspnea until you have that CXR, which is more or less useless if he is lying down anyway. But you order it. You order the ABG too. But you don't have to do it in a specific order. They're all part of "B" in ABCDE.
 
Yeah this thing is tough when you don't have the clinical experience in these scenarios. It is also tough when it is clear there is room for clinical judgement. We all study the algorithms for the basic presentations but then on the test they throw curveballs and it becomes a crapshoot most of the time. Can little Jimmy take his glasses off before you shove a tube down his throat? Well, seems like it wouldn't be too much of a problem to make him more comfortable..... but then again ABG's ..... but then common sense....

I don't mind it being hard. It's supposed to be "too hard" so they can curve it. What I can't stand however is the monopoly that USMLE has. Not many testing scenarios has the test maker as the primary resource provider as well. They basically know exactly what most of us know and can tailor questions to that. It just seems like a recipe for problems.
 
Of course real life patients can be challenging and give a non-specific history etc. But say you have a patient who comes to your department with a STEMI-like EKG, and he tells you that his chest pain is extremely severe, somewhat ripping, and radiates to his back. Now even if that guy has a low pretest probability of having aortic dissection (no other risk factors, no clinical findings, i.e. 1/3 points only), and you know that most of these patients will "just" have an MI, you will have to get him a CT scan before you throw antiplatelets and anticoagulants in his direction and take him to the cath lab, because in this case your decision might carry massive consequences. The problem is that the exam does not let you think like that. Yes, an MI will certainly still be the most probable diagnosis, but what does that mean test-wise? Forget about your gut feeling and go back to guidelines where 1/3 points equals D-dimer+CXR+transthoracic echocardiography while his myocardium is dying? Am I allowed to be flexible like a clinician needs to be? I don't think I am the only one here who gets confused because of the kind of wording used by the NBME. As Cabergoline wrote, sometimes you do multiple things at once. For example, there are a lot of patients in whom you initially do not know whether the diagnosis is COPD exacerbation or decompensated HF, and the auscultation is equivocal. All those old fellas have diastolic dysfunction anyway. So you obviously throw both loop diuretics and beta 2 agonists (and needless to say, oxygen) their way at the same time, because that is how you do it. You do not just let the patient sit and have dyspnea until you have that CXR, which is more or less useless if he is lying down anyway. But you order it. You order the ABG too. But you don't have to do it in a specific order. They're all part of "B" in ABCDE.
Right, it's supposed to happen. It's a test. If it was all straight forward, no extraneous details or vagueness, it wouldn't be a very useful test. You aren't allowed to be flexible. It's a standardized test. By definition alone, it takes away flexibility. I think in this case, your clinical experience is hurting you.

Yeah this thing is tough when you don't have the clinical experience in these scenarios. It is also tough when it is clear there is room for clinical judgement. We all study the algorithms for the basic presentations but then on the test they throw curveballs and it becomes a crapshoot most of the time. Can little Jimmy take his glasses off before you shove a tube down his throat? Well, seems like it wouldn't be too much of a problem to make him more comfortable..... but then again ABG's ..... but then common sense....

I don't mind it being hard. It's supposed to be "too hard" so they can curve it. What I can't stand however is the monopoly that USMLE has. Not many testing scenarios has the test maker as the primary resource provider as well. They basically know exactly what most of us know and can tailor questions to that. It just seems like a recipe for problems.
What do you mean by "test maker as primary resource provider?"

It's a test. It wouldn't have much value if every student knew every disease that would be asked and how it was going to be asked. That's why they make new questions.
 
I do agree that having clinical experience can be counter productive in some kind of questions...

there are several ways one can make a test harder...

1) Ask rare stuff: usmle utilizes this to a minimal extent...maybe 10 questions or less in my exam were of totally obscure stuff...
2) ask lesser known facts about common stuff: it does this to an extent...i could classify some questions that were like that...
3) test commonly misunderstood /poorly understood/ stuff...usmle under utlizes this..this should form a large portions of the tougher questions....but it somehow does not
4) use tricks and play of words ... this seems to be a more popular strategy with the usmle..
5) make it obscure and add features of many conditions...get examinees to use their judgement...this to seems popular...
 
What do you mean by "test maker as primary resource provider?"

It's a test. It wouldn't have much value if every student knew every disease that would be asked and how it was going to be asked. That's why they make new questions.[/QUOTE]

Which is exactly my point... I think Uworld is an amazing resource and I definitely learned so much... I just find the method strange.

My point is that the USMLE creates the fundamental study guide (Uworld) that we all focus on. Then they create questions knowing what information is and isn't provided. It's like me telling you to memorize these 5 facts about fish after which I will give you a quiz. I can make that quiz easy or hard simply based on the fact that I know what information I gave you... I can't think of another exam of similar magnitude that monopolizes the game like that. I personally think it is a unhealthy / unnatural dynamic. So many things I missed on step 1 and step 2 were topics that I knew were very simple / common but were not in Uworld and thus missed. But I spent hours memorizing detailed algorithms about cervical cancer screening which will be forgotten and never used again in T-minus 2 days. I think a "better" system is like the MCAT and most other exams... where the test maker creates an exam over a range of topics. Students study resources to the best of their abilities to study those topics. Double blind! Students enter the test with a much more variable range of knowledge.

But then again I guess Uworld is creating future robot doctors that all know the same things and simply follow algorithms in every situation. Sad part is I am not even being sarcastic when I say that.
 
people actually believed that the nbme created the uworld? 🙂

though I ll not be surprised if the nbme examiners and the uworld question writers know and talk too each other on a daily basis...
 
I had an attending once tell me that us students know more than those exam question writers , he pointed out that people with more clinical experience will tend to over think things on the exam and fall into the trap of KNOWING to much .. In fact that same attending during rounds would give 2 answers for most questions we asked , he would say this is how we do it in the REAL WORLD and this is what you should answer on UWORLD/ USMLE test .. lol
 
^^ of course one forgets stuff...i could do multivariate calculus even after a couple of beers several years ago...and when i was 16 or 17 i could program in an assembly language...these days I need to look up basic integrals and can barely code HTML...
 
he pointed out that people with more clinical experience will tend to over think things on the exam and fall into the trap of KNOWING to much ..
That is exactly what happened to me... Too much analyzing. But what the hell. I still have step 1 left.
 
^^ of course one forgets stuff...i could do multivariate calculus even after a couple of beers several years ago...and when i was 16 or 17 i could program in an assembly language...these days I need to look up basic integrals and can barely code HTML...
I know. I even have to make a list before I go get groceries. I feel old now. Which of the following is the most likely diagnosis?
a) Dementia, Alzheimer type.
b) Major depression.
c) Substance-induced schizoaffective kleptomania syndrome.
d) Internet overuse associated Binswanger disease.
e) Grocery shopping disease, not otherwise specified.
 
Definitely overanalyzed my test as well. Easy questions I was wasting time rereading to "find the trick." I don't know why I thought Uworld made the USMLE lol. Maybe because the NBME practice tests are a different format but the real test is exactly like Uworld....
 
Definitely overanalyzed my test as well. Easy questions I was wasting time rereading to "find the trick." I don't know why I thought Uworld made the USMLE lol. Maybe because the NBME practice tests are a different format but the real test is exactly like Uworld....
Well, regardless, who here thinks that the NBME does not know what is and isn't in the UWorld database...
 
Trust DO students when they say that the USMLE may be a harder test but at least you can study for it/information is found in a review book, which is really nice. All too often on the COMLEX, you will see questions on which federal department to contact if you have an issue, trigger point locations, random anatomy questions, etc. COMLEX was definitely an easier test, but their "hard" questions, you'd have no idea because no medical student would know that kind of information unless they actually had 1 patient who just happened to need that circumstance. Also, I am dreading this wednesday. Can't wait to explain to programs why my score went down.
 
Trust DO students when they say that the USMLE may be a harder test but at least you can study for it/information is found in a review book, which is really nice. All too often on the COMLEX, you will see questions on which federal department to contact if you have an issue, trigger point locations, random anatomy questions, etc. COMLEX was definitely an easier test, but their "hard" questions, you'd have no idea because no medical student would know that kind of information unless they actually had 1 patient who just happened to need that circumstance. Also, I am dreading this wednesday. Can't wait to explain to programs why my score went down.


Agree, COMLEX is a poorly written exam. Their questions are garbage and half the test is random minutia that you've never even heard of (this isn't even including the OMM wizardry). In terms of medical knowledge, the USMLE actually tests your understanding of diseases processes and pathophysiology, which is refreshing because when I took step 1, and step 2, I at least felt like I was being tested on topics relevant to my medical knowledge. I am glad that the majority ACGME programs don't put any sort of weight in to the COMLEX when looking at applicants. You can tell it is a bogus test by the +/- 80-100 pt standard deviation from exam to exam.
 
Guys just finished my first pass uworld with 54 percent cumulative.
Exam in 8 weeks.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Target score 245+.
Also, is it doable?
 
Can we stick to the USMLE Step 2 CK experience? Thanks.

People were complaining about the questions and they wanted to know how to make it harder. No one walks into the USMLE, takes it, and feels like they hit a home run. Yet, all the people that "got hit by a bus" pull a 270 out of their anal canal. That's the experience that everyone (on SDN) has.
 
he patients you see have certain "buzzwords" and reasons for physical exam findings, labs, travel, history and the only way to develop your intuition for these is to do questions and organize these associations. This also saves you SO much time because you can trust yourself to ballpark a correct answer when presented with a strange presentation or an incomplete classical picture.
Hi! My Step 2 is on august 8. I am not a great test taker at all. Your advise has been very helpful! Thank you!
Would you be willing to expand or offer examples on "developing intuition for questions and organizing associations"?
Thank you so much!!
 
UW covers pretty much everything needed for the exam if you do it the right way. By that I mean, trying to use less resources but doing them really well.
Hi! I am only using Uworld and uptodate to study. Because of this I am reading all of the explanations and I'm trying to learn from them, for example: if the explanation talks about treatment I try to learn the treatment even though the question only asked about the diagnosis.. Is this a good way of using UWORLD??
Or should a really just focus on what they are specifically asking me?

I'm worried because my test is in a month and if I keep doing questions at my current speed I wont be able to finish them...
Thank you!!
 
Just took this thing. Gonna write down my thoughts now because I'll forget them if I don't.

Overall, came out feeling ambivalent/meh. But I always come out of tests feeling that way, so that's not unique.

Overall, timing was kind of an issue for me (as I anticipated). I did finish all of the blocks but I didn't have as much time to review as I'd like. On two blocks, I finished right on time with no time to review (and one of them I basically guessed on the last question which was the last of a 3 question set about an abstract which I saved till last.) Other than those blocks, on average I probably had 3-6 min to review marked questions. I would have liked more time but it is what it is.

As far as how the blocks felt they went, I'd say that two of them felt like they didn't go awesome. I was just marking a lot of questions and didn't have much time to review. One of them felt "meh" and the rest felt they went alright. Range in number of marked questions per block was like 5-10.

I already pretty much know I got about 3 questions wrong, and I think a couple more are probably wrong. I'm not sure how much that means, but whatever.

A couple images seemed straight out of uworld.

I felt like the concepts were about as confusing as the nbmes/sometimes uworld, but IMO the wording of the questions was somewhat clearer, on average.

So who the **** knows. Just hoping I didn't tank.

As an aside, I know this is the CK thread, but is anyone else waiting on their CS results this week? I just checked the website and my score's not up but there's an "order score recheck" button that's there now and it's making me nervous. Can anyone confirm if this is there for them too?
 
Just took this thing. Gonna write down my thoughts now because I'll forget them if I don't.

Overall, came out feeling ambivalent/meh. But I always come out of tests feeling that way, so that's not unique.

Overall, timing was kind of an issue for me (as I anticipated). I did finish all of the blocks but I didn't have as much time to review as I'd like. On two blocks, I finished right on time with no time to review (and one of them I basically guessed on the last question which was the last of a 3 question set about an abstract which I saved till last.) Other than those blocks, on average I probably had 3-6 min to review marked questions. I would have liked more time but it is what it is.

As far as how the blocks felt they went, I'd say that two of them felt like they didn't go awesome. I was just marking a lot of questions and didn't have much time to review. One of them felt "meh" and the rest felt they went alright. Range in number of marked questions per block was like 5-10.

I already pretty much know I got about 3 questions wrong, and I think a couple more are probably wrong. I'm not sure how much that means, but whatever.

A couple images seemed straight out of uworld.

I felt like the concepts were about as confusing as the nbmes/sometimes uworld, but IMO the wording of the questions was somewhat clearer, on average.

So who the **** knows. Just hoping I didn't tank.

As an aside, I know this is the CK thread, but is anyone else waiting on their CS results this week? I just checked the website and my score's not up but there's an "order score recheck" button that's there now and it's making me nervous. Can anyone confirm if this is there for them too?

That "order score recheck" popped up for me on CK the few days before I got my results, it's effectively the same thing as having your permit disappear.
 
Did anyone get their scores today? Or know when scores are supposed to happen. I took mine on the 14th. I still have the stupid permit thing, but the link says I already sat for the stupid test.
 
Can you comment more on FA vs MTB? Would you recommend reading both?

The cardio chapter in MTB is worth a read , Electrolyte chapter is not bad also .. If you have time MTB gives a nice intro to main topics , it's easier to read than most review books . FA is a better book if you are one of those guys that only has 4 weeks to do Uworld and need a quick reference book . a lot of the main points that you will see highlighted in Uworld will show up in FA, the book is full of images in ID and Derm , and the quick review tables at the end of the book and through out the chapter are a nice refresher for minor things that we seem to forget .
 
Did anyone get their scores today? Or know when scores are supposed to happen. I took mine on the 14th. I still have the stupid permit thing, but the link says I already sat for the stupid test.

I took mine the 20th and can't seem to find where it states the dates for score release. My friends who took it earlier than me got their scores in 3 weeks time.
 
First pass Uwolrd 74% - did CMS tests instead of second pass in UW
UWSA- 232, used it as a diagnostic after finishing the bank
CMS - Peds, Medicine, Psyche, Surgery - 21-26 range for all.
NBME 3- 244
NBME 4 - 258
NBME 6- 248 (not reassuring, my psyche scores keep going up and down)
NBME7- 252
USMLE Free 141 - 91%
Shooting for 250-260
Read though FA-CK x2, MTBx2 and Kaplan notes x2

Just sat for the exam and it was a very tough test. Not sure how I feel about it. I felt good for moments and felt like utter crap in moments
Ill post the score in a few weeks. Good luck to those of you still prepping.
 
First pass Uwolrd 74% - did CMS tests instead of second pass in UW
UWSA- 232, used it as a diagnostic after finishing the bank
CMS - Peds, Medicine, Psyche, Surgery - 21-26 range for all.
NBME 3- 244
NBME 4 - 258
NBME 6- 248 (not reassuring, my psyche scores keep going up and down)
NBME7- 252
USMLE Free 141 - 91%
Shooting for 250-260
Read though FA-CK x2, MTBx2 and Kaplan notes x2

Just sat for the exam and it was a very tough test. Not sure how I feel about it. I felt good for moments and felt like utter crap in moments
Ill post the score in a few weeks. Good luck to those of you still prepping.

Goodluck with the result! Which cms forms did you do?
 
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Just sat for the exam and it was a very tough test. Not sure how I feel about it. I felt good for moments and felt like utter crap in moments
Ill post the score in a few weeks. Good luck to those of you still prepping.


That is exactly what I felt...sometimes i feel i aced it ,other times I feel I bombed it...i feel like Schrödinger's cat... 🙁 mew mew ..(did i get exposed to radioactivity ? or not?)...
 
Yes. Take a practice test & do UW again. Read the entire thing, don't worry about %. Grab a review book & focus on your weak points. 8 weeks is an eternity.

Dude thank you so much, you are awesome!! I feel better.
How many mcqs do you think can be judiciously done in a day, for a person who has scored 54 percent in their first pass of uworld.



Even 4 weeks is looking too much.


I think it really depends on the baseline one is coming from. I wish I was there and that was the case but I dont feel that confident yet, with my 54 percent, honestly.
Had a 220 on step 1 too.
 
Doing mixed timed mode is better or doing subject wise? I did CVS, LUngs, Opthal, rheumatology, Endocrine, Surgery subjectwise and scored and avg of 75-81%. But today just to test myself I did a random block , timed all questions from CVS , LUngs, endocrine,, Opthal, Rheumatology and my percentage dropped to 70% for this block, can anyone tell me if I am studying the right way by doing subject wise? My exam is in end of aug, still have lot more to do.
 
Depends on how long you took reviewing the questions after the first time and what else you're doing besides UWorld for review.



I did only a block a day.
Due to family obligations I did uworld in like 4 months spread out.
I kind of forgot most stuff that I did, honestly..
Now am crunched for time.
Uworld is also the only resource due to time crunch and seeing how the majority keep saying that uworld has everything that you need for the exam.
 
Can you comment more on FA vs MTB? Would you recommend reading both?
i read both twice and feel that MTB is a sub par product that will contradict itself several pages later on the same subject. Was not impressed. If I had to do it againI would have picked something else to go with FA.
 
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