Wayne State University part 02

[mendel121]

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But if they are having blackboard problems, how did they post the final pathophys grade? and final pharm grade? and final PD grade? Smells like horse poo to me.

smells like wayne'd to me

 

[dancinjenn]

But if they are having blackboard problems, how did they post the final pathophys grade? and final pharm grade? and final PD grade? Smells like horse poo to me.

Just remember - I didn't create the poo. Speece did. I think his job is equal parts: making sure we complete our evals = making sure that we can't get accurate reports of how are grades are compiled and reported = telling us "working on it" lies to get us off his back.

 

[francisdoss]

What the best internet and cable( the whole package if psbl) would you recommend in the metro area. Will be living in mads hgts. Anyone has any good deal? What d u pay?

 

[oldjeeps]

There are times when I really hate med school….

It has been said that "friendships are like plants; they are either growing or dying."

And I think that med school is a friendship herbicide.
It starts out innocently enough during first year with a few e-mails that you tell yourself you'll answer after the next anatomy exam; then by the end of second year it seems like you have lost the majority of your non-med school friends.
Then during third and fourth year you are too busy/tired to spend much time with your med school friends (which you think is okay because they are also too busy/tired), so those friendships start to deteriorate.
Finally, you may end up moving to a new city to start your internship.

Sounds to me like a recipe for an intern/resident to end up sitting by themselves wondering what happened to their social life and all the friends that they used to have.

 

[fun8stuff]

There are times when I really hate med school….

It has been said that "friendships are like plants; they are either growing or dying."

And I think that med school is a friendship herbicide.
It starts out innocently enough during first year with a few e-mails that you tell yourself you'll answer after the next anatomy exam; then by the end of second year it seems like you have lost the majority of your non-med school friends.
Then during third and fourth year you are too busy/tired to spend much time with your med school friends (which you think is okay because they are also too busy/tired), so those friendships start to deteriorate.
Finally, you may end up moving to a new city to start your internship.

Sounds to me like a recipe for an intern/resident to end up sitting by themselves wondering what happened to their social life and all the friends that they used to have.

What day is it? Is it June already? Since I started studying for boards I have had old friends call me EVERY weekend wanting to do something... I have turned them down every almost every time (good thing most of them live 3 hrs away, otherwise i wouldnt have gotten any studying done). The fact that most of my friends in their 20s are having so much fun and free time does start to get to me some times... oh well.

Now with boards: i feel like i have forgotten everything i studied for the first 2 wks, as well as everything i studied the first 2 yrs. bah, 11 more days then i am out of this place.

My kaplan qbank percentages and NBME exams have not been lining up... I have been doing really well on NBMEs and mediocre on qbank... anyone else getting htis?

 

[mendel121]

My kaplan qbank percentages and NBME exams have not been lining up... I have been doing really well on NBMEs and mediocre on qbank... anyone else getting htis?

i get this too - i think the qbank questions are more bitchy, and the nbme questions are more like the board questions - that's what i heard.

 

[katrinadams9]

Only 1 more day left of third year!!!! Holy ****!

 

[deowolf04]

Only 1 more day left of third year!!!! Holy ****!

Oh, thank you, merciful God!!! And I know you second years (almost third years) are saying that same thing as you are coming down the home stretch.

I completely agree with oldjeeps on this: med school, particularly 3rd year, is a friendship herbicide. During the first two years, you make new friends and see them every day. Then third year comes and you never see any of them anymore, except if you are lucky enough to work on the same team as them. The only people I see anymore are the people on my residency team and the few students on site. The one good thing about your classmates during third year is that the insane competition between you (proven by behavior in front of the wailing wall during years 1 and 2) is gone. When you get back together for year 3 orientation, you will see what I mean.

I just realized something yesterday: I was on call Saturday and that was my last call until February! Yes, February, when I do my sub-I. Maybe, just maybe, my circadian rhythm will rematerialize and I won't have to be a walking sleep-deprived zombie anymore. 😎😀😀😀

 

[oldjeeps]

...that was my last call until February! Yes, February, when I do my sub-I.

Lucky you.
I guess on ER they are technically shifts and not call... so I guess I am free for another couple of months (these past two months of no call and no pager have been wonderful😀😀).

 

[fun8stuff]

Oh, thank you, merciful God!!! And I know you second years (almost third years) are saying that same thing as you are coming down the home stretch.

I completely agree with oldjeeps on this: med school, particularly 3rd year, is a friendship herbicide. During the first two years, you make new friends and see them every day. Then third year comes and you never see any of them anymore, except if you are lucky enough to work on the same team as them. The only people I see anymore are the people on my residency team and the few students on site. The one good thing about your classmates during third year is that the insane competition between you (proven by behavior in front of the wailing wall during years 1 and 2) is gone. When you get back together for year 3 orientation, you will see what I mean.

I just realized something yesterday: I was on call Saturday and that was my last call until February! Yes, February, when I do my sub-I. Maybe, just maybe, my circadian rhythm will rematerialize and I won't have to be a walking sleep-deprived zombie anymore. 😎😀😀😀

how are you working it out so that you won't have call? which electives???

 

[lj1230]

Wow... no call till feburary! I was really happy that I don't have to take call till October!! I can't wait to get this peds exam over with and enjoy almost two full weeks off!

 

[katrinadams9]

I can't believe the peds grades from Mar/April aren't back yet! This is ridiculus!

 

[deowolf04]

how are you working it out so that you won't have call? which electives???

Don't you have something more important to worry about right now, like passing step 1? Besides, you have yet to take a single call, so you don't even know what you will be missing (or rather not missing). I know you have been drooling over being a 4th year since you were a 1st year, but take one thing (or at least one year) at a time.

I'll answer your question anyway. It is a matter of when you schedule your sub-I. Most of the electives of 4th year have no call (unless you deliberately look for one that does), and only the sub-I has call out of the required rotations. EMed is shift work, so technically it is not the same as being on call even though there are night shifts.

I am certainly taking to heart what they said at Lampoon about year 4: "What a joke. You sleep too much. Forget everything you ever learned. And it does't prepare you for residency. Good luck to you. You'll be there soon." And for us, soon is very quickly becoming now, and just the thought of having two weeks off before a very light year seems absolutely wonderful after three straight months of being Q4/Q5.

 

[tybalt]

Good luck to everyone taking their step 1 this week! All I know is that mine is on saturday (23rd) and there is a bottle of tequila patiently waiting for me... mmmm-mmmm

I think I'll even go all out and get the fancy dixie cups instead of the cheap store brand... but we'll see

 

[fun8stuff]

Good luck to everyone taking their step 1 this week! All I know is that mine is on saturday (23rd) and there is a bottle of tequila patiently waiting for me... mmmm-mmmm

I think I'll even go all out and get the fancy dixie cups instead of the cheap store brand... but we'll see

3.5 more days of studying for me!

 

[dancinjenn]

3.5 more days of studying for me!

I'm on Friday this week....am soo freaked out still.

 

[katrinadams9]

Congrats to all the third years who finished the OSCE and are now MS4's!!! Holy ****, we made it! Anyone else going to the party on Monday? I know I'll be there. 😀

 

[tybalt]

I'm on Friday this week....am soo freaked out still.

I asked the voices in my head and they said DancinJenn would kick step 1's booty -- so just relax! You'll be great!

 

[deowolf04]

Congrats to all the third years who finished the OSCE and are now MS4's!!! Holy ****, we made it! Anyone else going to the party on Monday? I know I'll be there. 😀

Woohoo! Actually I'm not that excited because the OSCE is such an anticlimactic way of ending year 3. It isn't anywhere near as commemorative as the Anatomy funeral in year 1 and Step 1 in year 2. But yes, I am very happy to be an MS4 now. The worst is behind us!

 

[fun8stuff]

I asked the voices in my head and they said DancinJenn would kick step 1's booty -- so just relax! You'll be great!

i don't want to ever study again. never.👎

so are you going to wear the monkey suit on saturday???

 

[fun8stuff]

Woohoo! Actually I'm not that excited because the OSCE is such an anticlimactic way of ending year 3. It isn't anywhere near as commemorative as the Anatomy funeral in year 1 and Step 1 in year 2. But yes, I am very happy to be an MS4 now. The worst is behind us!

congrats on making it to year 4. i am jealous!

 

[Soleil9]

I took Step 1 last Thursday. Whew!!!! OVER!!!

For those taking it in Troy, I had a very pleasant testing experience. Little to no distractions and the chairs were comfy. Much better than scott hall!

Hang in there during these last few days!!

Good Luck!

 

[tybalt]

i don't want to ever study again. never.👎

so are you going to wear the monkey suit on saturday???

I was thinking of wearing a tiger "suit" like that guy Roger in the Comcast digital voice commercials. I love that commercial. "Sorry Roger -- you tiger now" "Sorry? I have comcast digital voice"

 

[inked_caduceus]

Good luck everyone. I'm on the chopping block for this thursday. (May as well take it on my birthday - good karma, ahoy!)

Actually staying in a hotel 5 minutes from the testing center in Toledo. I am super-super paranoid about traffic and alarms, etc.

My watch + cell phone + room alarm clock + wakeup call.

Looking forward to seeing a lot of you on the peds rotation. 🙂

 

[fun8stuff]

I was thinking of wearing a tiger "suit" like that guy Roger in the Comcast digital voice commercials. I love that commercial. "Sorry Roger -- you tiger now" "Sorry? I have comcast digital voice"

duplicate.. oooopps!

 

[fun8stuff]

I was thinking of wearing a tiger "suit" like that guy Roger in the Comcast digital voice commercials. I love that commercial. "Sorry Roger -- you tiger now" "Sorry? I have comcast digital voice"

haha, that commerical is Grrrreat!

any recommendations for peds? i heard pretest and blueprints were pretty good...

 

[dancinjenn]

I asked the voices in my head and they said DancinJenn would kick step 1's booty -- so just relax! You'll be great!

Your voices sound so much better than mine, can I borrow them? ARGH! At this point I just can't wait for the torture to be over.

 

[tybalt]

Your voices sound so much better than mine, can I borrow them? ARGH! At this point I just can't wait for the torture to be over.

Does anyone else keep going back and forth between feeling okay about the exam coming and feeling like you are going to fail miserably? I miss the good old days of undergrad when you would walk into and out of an exam room knowing you were going to ace it.

 

[fun8stuff]

Does anyone else keep going back and forth between feeling okay about the exam coming and feeling like you are going to fail miserably? I miss the good old days of undergrad when you would walk into and out of an exam room knowing you were going to ace it.

yeah i've been feeling this way for about a week. i also keep feeling like i forget things like 2 mins after i "relearn" it...

 

[mendel121]

Does anyone else keep going back and forth between feeling okay about the exam coming and feeling like you are going to fail miserably? I miss the good old days of undergrad when you would walk into and out of an exam room knowing you were going to ace it.

glad it's not just me

 

[fun8stuff]

i took the beast today. just a heads up... not sure if this will be true for every exam, but i did the practice NBMEs 2-4 as well as the free 150 questions and had about 20-25 repeat questions (some were word for word, others were slight variations). Overall, It was more comparable to 3 or 4... harder questions than 2. The # of pictures/slides/graphs are also more comparable to 3 or 4. Quite a bit of cell bio (4-6 questions per block).. more than what is FA. Highest yield cell bio would be DNA translation/transcription and second messengers. I prob did the worst on anatomy and embryo (having only used FA for these subjects). good luck.

 

[fun8stuff]

anyone know what the "special gift" is that 3rd years receive from the WSU Chapter of the Gold Humanism Honors Society the night of orientation?

 

[oldjeeps]

anyone know what the "special gift" is that 3rd years receive from the WSU Chapter of the Gold Humanism Honors Society the night of orientation?

I don't recall getting anything, but then again the GHHS is a rather new thing at WSU-SOM.

 

[dancinjenn]

i took the beast today. just a heads up... not sure if this will be true for every exam, but i did the practice NBMEs 2-4 as well as the free 150 questions and had about 20-25 repeat questions (some were word for word, others were slight variations). Overall, It was more comparable to 3 or 4... harder questions than 2. The # of pictures/slides/graphs are also more comparable to 3 or 4. Quite a bit of cell bio (4-6 questions per block).. more than what is FA. Highest yield cell bio would be DNA translation/transcription and second messengers. I prob did the worst on anatomy and embryo (having only used FA for these subjects). good luck.

I hardly had any cell bio. Maybe one or two per block. I did have at least 2-3 per block of childhood development (only thing that saved me there was my baby) and behavioral science...like what is the most appropriate response to the patient saying X. I did have a couple of repeat questions from the free 150, and surprisingly quite a few questions that seemed straight out of q-bank. My test seemed mostly path/physio beyond that with a healthy smattering of anatomy. I also lucked out with just some basic pharm...like Rifampin makes you pee red. Overall not as bad as I expected which was great for me.

See you all soon.

 

[dj dizzle]

I am a new MSI and I am new to this loan thing, so any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Right now I am leaning toward using AAMC Medloans as my lender for my stafford. Although there have been numerous posts complaining about the lack of customer service, poor servicer with Sallie Mae, and if you are late once, it takes 24 months of ontime payment to regain your repayment benefits. Now those are the cons. The plus side is you can get up to 1.75% in IRR once you get into repayment, which is competitive compared to other lenders. However the more important aspect is the .30% IRR during disbursement. This could be a huge savings, espcially if you defer your repayment beyond graduation, until after residency. .30% may not seem like much, but if you do the math over 4+ years, that is a significant savings. Plus, if you reconsolidate after graduation like most med students, your repayment benefits go out the window anyways until you a get a new consolidated loan repayment benefits. So doesn't just make more sense to go with medloans and get the upfront savings now?! Not sure what are the options for consolidation flexibility with medloans though? Please correct me if I am totally clueless about this loan situation.

 

[fun8stuff]

I am a new MSI and I am new to this loan thing, so any help from anyone would be greatly appreciated. Right now I am leaning toward using AAMC Medloans as my lender for my stafford. Although there have been numerous posts complaining about the lack of customer service, poor servicer with Sallie Mae, and if you are late once, it takes 24 months of ontime payment to regain your repayment benefits. Now those are the cons. The plus side is you can get up to 1.75% in IRR once you get into repayment, which is competitive compared to other lenders. However the more important aspect is the .30% IRR during disbursement. This could be a huge savings, espcially if you defer your repayment beyond graduation, until after residency. .30% may not seem like much, but if you do the math over 4+ years, that is a significant savings. Plus, if you reconsolidate after graduation like most med students, your repayment benefits go out the window anyways until you a get a new consolidated loan repayment benefits. So doesn't just make more sense to go with medloans and get the upfront savings now?! Not sure what are the options for consolidation flexibility with medloans though? Please correct me if I am totally clueless about this loan situation.

sounds like you have done your search. i went with medloans and they have been doing a good job at getting me my money.... i won't be into repayment, so i can't comment on that aspect.

 

[fun8stuff]

I hardly had any cell bio. Maybe one or two per block. I did have at least 2-3 per block of childhood development (only thing that saved me there was my baby) and behavioral science...like what is the most appropriate response to the patient saying X. I did have a couple of repeat questions from the free 150, and surprisingly quite a few questions that seemed straight out of q-bank. My test seemed mostly path/physio beyond that with a healthy smattering of anatomy. I also lucked out with just some basic pharm...like Rifampin makes you pee red. Overall not as bad as I expected which was great for me.

See you all soon.

oh man, i hate those child development ones... i only had one and i don't think it was that hard, but i may have missed it. congrats on being done!

 

[lilnoelle]

I have an odd request, but here goes. I'm in charge of getting people to respond to the 31 question's thread in the mentor forum and am looking for current students at all of the med schools of the US. So, I realize this is the class thread for the incoming class, but perhaps someone from previous classes has been helpful in answering your questions and giving you advice in this thread. I have no time to read through every single class thread to get this info, but if you could post some user names of some such people (or pm them to me, including what school you are from), I can pm them with my request. Thanks!

 

[tybalt]

I have an odd request, but here goes. I'm in charge of getting people to respond to the 31 question's thread in the mentor forum and am looking for current students at all of the med schools of the US. So, I realize this is the class thread for the incoming class, but perhaps someone from previous classes has been helpful in answering your questions and giving you advice in this thread. I have no time to read through every single class thread to get this info, but if you could post some user names of some such people (or pm them to me, including what school you are from), I can pm them with my request. Thanks!

This isn't a first year class thread -- this a thread for all of wayne state 🙂 I'll try to take a look, but maybe not today. Today, I continue my vacation.

 

[mendel121]

OK, so I went to fill out my application for the Fam Med clerkship today - they send me to the second floor, I see a room labeled "Family Medicine Clerkship Applications" - I go into the empty room that has a table, with some binders and folders on it. No directions of any kind, I figure out where the applications are, where the binders with the reviews are and where the lists of possible preceptors are - none of this is labeled. I fill out the form and have no idea where to drop it off - since there are no directions, I ask some random office occupant, this person directs me to this other office to drop it off. I go in and tell the woman that I need to drop this form off, and she stares at me for like 5 or 10 seconds - like I just grew a third head or something. Then she says "when's your rotation?" I tell her, she says ok, takes my form. Then she tells me that two of the doctors that I ranked are in the same office, so they only count as one selection, but "she'll let it go this time". I knew that these two were in the same office based on the reviews, but they were listed seperately on all the lists, so I figure I double my chances of getting in there if I rank both of them. Anyway - since she was sort of scolding me for ranking them seperately, I asked her - "How are we supposed to know that they are considered as one person?" she says "I'm telling you now" - all snotty like. At that point I just walked out and said "fine, whatever". That was absurd even by Wayne standards. Have other people done this and had the same experience or am I just challenged?

 

[fun8stuff]

OK, so I went to fill out my application for the Fam Med clerkship today - they send me to the second floor, I see a room labeled "Family Medicine Clerkship Applications" - I go into the empty room that has a table, with some binders and folders on it. No directions of any kind, I figure out where the applications are, where the binders with the reviews are and where the lists of possible preceptors are - none of this is labeled. I fill out the form and have no idea where to drop it off - since there are no directions, I ask some random office occupant, this person directs me to this other office to drop it off. I go in and tell the woman that I need to drop this form off, and she stares at me for like 5 or 10 seconds - like I just grew a third head or something. Then she says "when's your rotation?" I tell her, she says ok, takes my form. Then she tells me that two of the doctors that I ranked are in the same office, so they only count as one selection, but "she'll let it go this time". I knew that these two were in the same office based on the reviews, but they were listed seperately on all the lists, so I figure I double my chances of getting in there if I rank both of them. Anyway - since she was sort of scolding me for ranking them seperately, I asked her - "How are we supposed to know that they are considered as one person?" she says "I'm telling you now" - all snotty like. At that point I just walked out and said "fine, whatever". That was absurd even by Wayne standards. Have other people done this and had the same experience or am I just challenged?

that sucks.. no i haven't done this yet.

 

[fun8stuff]

any advice on what pda apps you use most 3rd year?

 

[Soleil9]

any advice on what pda apps you use most 3rd year?

My upper classmen peeps used to pay for Epocrates.... It's supposed to be one of the must haves so its cool that it is free now. I was going to buy it....

 

[deowolf04]

OK, so I went to fill out my application for the Fam Med clerkship today - they send me to the second floor, I see a room labeled "Family Medicine Clerkship Applications" - I go into the empty room that has a table, with some binders and folders on it. No directions of any kind, I figure out where the applications are, where the binders with the reviews are and where the lists of possible preceptors are - none of this is labeled. I fill out the form and have no idea where to drop it off - since there are no directions, I ask some random office occupant, this person directs me to this other office to drop it off. I go in and tell the woman that I need to drop this form off, and she stares at me for like 5 or 10 seconds - like I just grew a third head or something. Then she says "when's your rotation?" I tell her, she says ok, takes my form. Then she tells me that two of the doctors that I ranked are in the same office, so they only count as one selection, but "she'll let it go this time". I knew that these two were in the same office based on the reviews, but they were listed seperately on all the lists, so I figure I double my chances of getting in there if I rank both of them. Anyway - since she was sort of scolding me for ranking them seperately, I asked her - "How are we supposed to know that they are considered as one person?" she says "I'm telling you now" - all snotty like. At that point I just walked out and said "fine, whatever". That was absurd even by Wayne standards. Have other people done this and had the same experience or am I just challenged?

haha. Welcome to third year! Yes, this is typical, so you better get used to it. Everyone in those offices that processes hundreds of those apps per year as their job will look at you like you grew a third head if you ask them a basic question about paperwork. By the way, for Family Med, do yourselves a favor and GET OUT OF DETROIT for a month.

To answer the question about drug references, I used the mobile PDR on my PDA (which is free) for a while, but the PDA gets very heavy in an already heavy coat and I didn't want to damage it. So, I got a MPR (Monthly Prescribing Reference) from my Family Med doctor for free when he got his new issue and carried that with me the rest of the year. It contains >90% of the information you can get from those PDA programs and I couldn't care less how beat up it got. It is small enough to fit in your pocket, and all you have to do is wait until you see one on an attending's desk and ask if they have an old one for you.

As for the useless PDA cases, I finally got clarification about 2/3 of the way through the year that you are not required to go through all the menus for a case to be complete. I found out after I spent who knows how many hours entering >100 cases for family med. Dr. Friday has the best system: for each core case, you flag it, and in the box enter c (for core)-learning objective-diagnosis and fill in the required procedures and other crap accordingly. Example: c-abdominal pain-appendicitis. You do not have to enter the signs/symptoms, ICD-9 codes for diagnoses, or any other BS they have on there once you get to the signs/symptoms menu. Just skip through those and it will accept your case as complete anyway.

Hopefully those last two paragraphs help you guys not waste as much of your time as I had to when I was figuring all this out. See you on the wards.

 

[fun8stuff]

haha. Welcome to third year! Yes, this is typical, so you better get used to it. Everyone in those offices that processes hundreds of those apps per year as their job will look at you like you grew a third head if you ask them a basic question about paperwork. By the way, for Family Med, do yourselves a favor and GET OUT OF DETROIT for a month.

To answer the question about drug references, I used the mobile PDR on my PDA (which is free) for a while, but the PDA gets very heavy in an already heavy coat and I didn't want to damage it. So, I got a MPR (Monthly Prescribing Reference) from my Family Med doctor for free when he got his new issue and carried that with me the rest of the year. It contains >90% of the information you can get from those PDA programs and I couldn't care less how beat up it got. It is small enough to fit in your pocket, and all you have to do is wait until you see one on an attending's desk and ask if they have an old one for you.

As for the useless PDA cases, I finally got clarification about 2/3 of the way through the year that you are not required to go through all the menus for a case to be complete. I found out after I spent who knows how many hours entering >100 cases for family med. Dr. Friday has the best system: for each core case, you flag it, and in the box enter c (for core)-learning objective-diagnosis and fill in the required procedures and other crap accordingly. Example: c-abdominal pain-appendicitis. You do not have to enter the signs/symptoms, ICD-9 codes for diagnoses, or any other BS they have on there once you get to the signs/symptoms menu. Just skip through those and it will accept your case as complete anyway.

Hopefully those last two paragraphs help you guys not waste as much of your time as I had to when I was figuring all this out. See you on the wards.

thanks! i'm still not sure which cases we are suppose to enter into our PDA (hope not all?), but will prob find this out tomorrow...

 

[finallyMS3]

Wow. A lot of people on here are starting with Ped's like me.

 

[Soleil9]

Yup. Inked, Fun8, Jen and myself are all on Peds. Lots! What did everyone think?

I'm on Outpt 1st and I have no idea what I will be doing for the 1st month.....

 

[deowolf04]

I'm on Outpt 1st and I have no idea what I will be doing for the 1st month.....

If you are at Children's, you have two days of newborn nursery, a day of Med/Peds clinic, a week (or so) of general peds clinic, and about 2 weeks of peds specialty work.

 

[fun8stuff]

Yup. Inked, Fun8, Jen and myself are all on Peds. Lots! What did everyone think?

I'm on Outpt 1st and I have no idea what I will be doing for the 1st month.....

i feel kind of lost too... i am doing inpatient first. these are prob stupid questions, but do we have a set schedule? do we pretty much go in everyday and leave when they tell us to? all i know is i am suppose to show up before 7am tomorrow. just looking for something to tell my wife other than "see you some time next June" ... hahaha

i am also having problems contacting the lady at HFHS that i have to contact before i contact my CCC doc to set up a meeting time.

 

[DoctorB]

If anyone is looking for a clean and relatively quiet male roommate let me know! I will be an M1.