WCVM or UCVM C/O 2017

[Escalla]

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ahh yes that's what I thought... UCVM though, re-reading their rules, it's less clear. it says very straightforward that residency lies with the parents, and the only clause is if you've moved to alberta without school you GAIN alberta residency. says nothing about if you leave... WCVM says if you move you change residence. I've heard a few people say they are applying to all three, and it just feels wrong :/

Hmmm, that's worth checking out then with UCVM. 👍

 

[fishfinn]

ahh yes that's what I thought... UCVM though, re-reading their rules, it's less clear. it says very straightforward that residency lies with the parents, and the only clause is if you've moved to alberta without school you GAIN alberta residency. says nothing about if you leave... WCVM says if you move you change residence. I've heard a few people say they are applying to all three, and it just feels wrong :/



also, wait wait guys, you were first round interviews and first on waitlist and you don't even get a chance to interview this year?! did you take more school and hurt your GPA? how does that even make sense D: are our grades all that close that you can slip from first round to no round without anything changing?! thats actually terrifying. This must be a super competitive year...

My grades got a teensy bit better, but they definitely didn't go down. I'm guessing with the increase in applicants, it just got really competitive. 🙁 I guess there's still hope until they officially change that status, but I'm pretty sure they're all out.

 

[dls116]

It just doesn't seem to make sense that two of you, who both got first rounds last year and Kermit being FIRST on the wait list would get knocked down that much to not be interviewed AT ALL.

I got a first round last year and with being told not to bother going back to school, my GPA didn't change. With the increase of applicants, though, I still managed to get a second round one, thankfully, and I was decently close to being accepted last year so I was kind of expecting I would at least get one regardless of which round it was in? I guess I shouldn't have been so sure considering what you two are going through now...I know each provincial pool of applicants is different and BC and AB have the largest numbers but still...where did all these people come from within the last year!?

I know tomorrow would be super last minute and unfair to you guys to have such short notice but I honestly hope they still have more to send out. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!!

 

[fishfinn]

I can't even imagine having to book a flight with less than a week notice. The prices would be so high. I am kinda surprised that I didn't get an interview. I guess my best bet is to do another year of school with classes I know i can ace, and try again.

 

[dls116]

I can't even imagine having to book a flight with less than a week notice. The prices would be so high. I am kinda surprised that I didn't get an interview. I guess my best bet is to do another year of school with classes I know i can ace, and try again.

They usually have seat sales to fill up the plane 🙂

 

[jmf391]

FYI, y'all:

http://news.usask.ca/2013/05/16/admission-by-degree/

WCVM tweeted this this morning

 

[Escalla]

Isn't it the med school saying that degrees are now required? 😕

I didn't even think about 'hedge-hopping' . Probably not a bad move though.

 

[Escalla]

Isn't it the med school saying that degrees are now required? 😕

I didn't even think about 'hedge-hopping' . Probably not a bad move though.

And by not a bad move, I meant the schools decision to require a degree.

 

[jmf391]

I'm not sure what to make of it... I wonder if this is a warning sign to vet school applicants. I think it's a good idea but yeah... I'm still trying to figure the tweet out.

 

[Escalla]

I guess it would really depend in how much of the strategic switching that vet med applicants are pulling. Adding time and money spent on education is definitely a downside for anyone applying. However, if 'hedge-hopping' was becoming prevalent in our app pool, I'd want them to do something about it.

 

[jmf391]

I agree with that. It will be interesting to see if anything changes next year.

 

[jestry]

I can't even imagine having to book a flight with less than a week notice. The prices would be so high. I am kinda surprised that I didn't get an interview. I guess my best bet is to do another year of school with classes I know i can ace, and try again.

I'm really surprised you didn't get an interview too. I wonder if they also looked at exp a tiny bit this year in addition to GPA because of the increase in applicants. I know that another school I applied (Ohio) started doing that this year because they also got a boost in applicants.

I remember stalking the 2016 thread earlier this year, and I'm pretty sure both you and Kermit had similar if not better grades than me? I had a 3.5 overall, maybe 3.6ish best year? Makes me kinda feel bad for getting my interview when you guys didn't, since you guys are both from BC too right?

 

[kermit123]

I'm really surprised you didn't get an interview too. I wonder if they also looked at exp a tiny bit this year in addition to GPA because of the increase in applicants. I know that another school I applied (Ohio) started doing that this year because they also got a boost in applicants.

I remember stalking the 2016 thread earlier this year, and I'm pretty sure both you and Kermit had similar if not better grades than me? I had a 3.5 overall, maybe 3.6ish best year? Makes me kinda feel bad for getting my interview when you guys didn't, since you guys are both from BC too right?

I have a ~3.63 I think, 4.0 best year (though my school doesn't give GPAs so the actual calculation I've used here is dubious)

My average using percentages though falls around 83%. Ah, if WCVM wants to evaluate in whatever non-sensical way they seems to be doing it, this is going to be my last year applying there, as I don't want to waste another year when I don't have ANY IDEA WHAT THEY'RE EVEN CONSIDERING 😛

I'm considering moving to gain residency for OVC ... especially because my prereq score would be THROUGH THE ROOF

Downside - MCAT 😡

 

[Escalla]

Downside - MCAT 😡

Yeah, ick.... 👎

I totally understand wanting to move. I would move to ON if I were in your shoes as well.

I will be taking 1/3 paths come August:

1. Accepted to UCVM, stay in Calgary.
2. Accepted to WCVM, move to Saskatoon.
3. Not accepted to either, move to Saskatchewan for residency.

Less than half the applicant pool last year in SK for the same number of seats (not sure where it's standing this year) means I would be silly applying for a 3rd time still in AB. Giving up the ability to apply to UCVM, if they require you to stay in AB, is a cost I'm willing to pay. (It would be very unfair, IMO, to allow someone to move to SK for a better shot at WCVM and still allow them to apply to UCVM. I will be doing some checking, but for that reason, I doubt it's possible).

I would have been done my first year in Kansas right now had I not turned them down, so I'm not going to sit here wasting time in AB with ever increasing app numbers. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that.

 

[maplegal]

Yeah, ick.... 👎

I totally understand wanting to move. I would move to ON if I were in your shoes as well.

I will be taking 1/3 paths come August:

1. Accepted to UCVM, stay in Calgary.
2. Accepted to WCVM, move to Saskatoon.
3. Not accepted to either, move to Saskatchewan for residency.

Less than half the applicant pool last year in SK for the same number of seats (not sure where it's standing this year) means I would be silly applying for a 3rd time still in AB. Giving up the ability to apply to UCVM, if they require you to stay in AB, is a cost I'm willing to pay. (It would be very unfair, IMO, to allow someone to move to SK for a better shot at WCVM and still allow them to apply to UCVM. I will be doing some checking, but for that reason, I doubt it's possible).

I would have been done my first year in Kansas right now had I not turned them down, so I'm not going to sit here wasting time in AB with ever increasing app numbers. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that.

Yeah, if I'm not accepted this year, I was thinking of doing the exact same thing. Perhaps unfair to SK residents who don't get in, but if their applicant pool is less competitive, it's the way to go. Regardless, one will always be competing with others better or worse than yourself - it's unfortunately a game of numbers.

 

[thenuttyclub]

This sounds like a big mess... Honestly though, Heather is really great for telling you exactly what it was you were lacking in your application, so make sure you tap that resource! Also... MB has a really small applicant pool as well, so SK isn't necessarily the only route - although I can understand not wanting to move twice.
And I can say from experience,... maybe there are less applicants in SK, but bear in mind I have had a first round interview 4/5 times... and still am not in. Province jumping may help you get an interview, but evidently that doesn't mean much in some cases, and the feedback that I got from admissions was pretty subjective. The human element is something you just can't conquer easily. 🙁

Maybe we should all just fund-raise and go to Grenada?

 

[fishfinn]

I'm really surprised you didn't get an interview too. I wonder if they also looked at exp a tiny bit this year in addition to GPA because of the increase in applicants. I know that another school I applied (Ohio) started doing that this year because they also got a boost in applicants.

I remember stalking the 2016 thread earlier this year, and I'm pretty sure both you and Kermit had similar if not better grades than me? I had a 3.5 overall, maybe 3.6ish best year? Makes me kinda feel bad for getting my interview when you guys didn't, since you guys are both from BC too right?

Yeah I'm from BC, and I have a 3.7 GPA and about 3.9 best year. Hmm I really don't know what they want now. I'm stumped 😡 I wonder what Heather would tell me to improve on.

 

[dls116]

I feel so bad for you guys! You must be so confused. I would definitely call/e-mail Heather ASAP. You never know, it could be a mistake or a glitch!!

I was talking to a client at work and mentioned this situation and she said how her daughter had applied to med school and had a good GPA like you guys and never got called and people she knew with lower averages were getting interviews so her daughter called and they had accidentally overlooked her name and gave her an interview immediately after talking to her on the phone.

If this isn't the case, then I would be asking for an explanation so that you're not left wondering what the heck happened.

 

[jestry]

I feel so bad for you guys! You must be so confused. I would definitely call/e-mail Heather ASAP. You never know, it could be a mistake or a glitch!!

I was talking to a client at work and mentioned this situation and she said how her daughter had applied to med school and had a good GPA like you guys and never got called and people she knew with lower averages were getting interviews so her daughter called and they had accidentally overlooked her name and gave her an interview immediately after talking to her on the phone.

If this isn't the case, then I would be asking for an explanation so that you're not left wondering what the heck happened.

Seriously, this is ridiculous. I definitely second asking Heather.

Also, I know this sounds stupid, but if you haven't already done so, check your spam folder?

 

[Rhetorical]

Yeah I'm from BC, and I have a 3.7 GPA and about 3.9 best year. Hmm I really don't know what they want now. I'm stumped 😡 I wonder what Heather would tell me to improve on.

I thought I'd read somewhere that 3.7 was their average acceptance gpa. this can't be true if they aren't even offering 3.7's interviews... and I don't think factoring in experience explains for this strange circumstance, as many of you have more experience than myself and were not offered interviews...

For those of you who have received feedback letters in the past, what sort of things did they suggest? was it general like "needs more experience in large animal industries" or more specific? What can they even offer if you have strong grades and have experience but just don't impress them in the interview :/

 

[maplegal]

I wonder if they've started factoring in stuff like personal statements, previous employment or other aspects of one's application that makes them appear to be diverse, mature etc., and if references play a larger role when considering interview invites. I know these things used to be considered after one got an interview invite, which was pretty much based on grades, but they could have changed their strategy in terms of looking for x kinds of people who stand out because of x, because a lot of us look the same shade of grey in terms of grades. I wish I had an answer for you guys. If anything, it just disheartens me for next year, because more applicants keep creeping out of the woodwork and it's just getting tougher to get offered a seat. If you look back on their stats (which used to be published), in 2011, something like mid-80s applicants applied from the most competitive provinces like AB and BC, and around 56 applied from SK. Last year, 132 Albertans applied. That's just an insane increase in people. There's gotta be something about our applications that makes us look greater than the sum of our parts when they consider who to extend interview offers to. And it's worrisome that, for example, my attractiveness as an applicant this year will get me nowhere next year if I'm not admitted for c/o 2017. It's just crazy.

 

[maplegal]

I thought I'd read somewhere that 3.7 was their average acceptance gpa. this can't be true if they aren't even offering 3.7's interviews... and I don't think factoring in experience explains for this strange circumstance, as many of you have more experience than myself and were not offered interviews...

For those of you who have received feedback letters in the past, what sort of things did they suggest? was it general like "needs more experience in large animal industries" or more specific? What can they even offer if you have strong grades and have experience but just don't impress them in the interview :/

A lot of us agreed last year that our feedback letters were pretty generic - ranging from going back to school to increase our GPAs, obtaining more animal experience, being more aware of the veterinary profession, obtaining more leadership experience etc. I think a fair amount of us found the feedback to be largely unhelpful.

 

[kermit123]

I wonder if they've started factoring in stuff like personal statements, previous employment or other aspects of one's application that makes them appear to be diverse, mature etc., and if references play a larger role when considering interview invites. I know these things used to be considered after one got an interview invite, which was pretty much based on grades, but they could have changed their strategy in terms of looking for x kinds of people who stand out because of x, because a lot of us look the same shade of grey in terms of grades. I wish I had an answer for you guys. If anything, it just disheartens me for next year, because more applicants keep creeping out of the woodwork and it's just getting tougher to get offered a seat. If you look back on their stats (which used to be published), in 2011, something like mid-80s applicants applied from the most competitive provinces like AB and BC, and around 56 applied from SK. Last year, 132 Albertans applied. That's just an insane increase in people. There's gotta be something about our applications that makes us look greater than the sum of our parts when they consider who to extend interview offers to. And it's worrisome that, for example, my attractiveness as an applicant this year will get me nowhere next year if I'm not admitted for c/o 2017. It's just crazy.

I doubt that they've added that stuff in - my non-academic stuff is way stronger than my academics!

They haven't updated the portal to say all invites have been sent out ... I'm going to ask if they have anyway just so I know because this fake hope is the bane of my existence ...

And then I can start pestering them about what's going on 😀

 

[LeilaFay]

And by not a bad move, I meant the schools decision to require a degree.

I'd have to agree with that.... Having a plan B is important for sure. Doesn't say anything about vet med, but perhaps it will follow?

 

[fishfinn]

My feedback last year was pretty unhelpful. I didn't save the letter unfortunately, but it said to just gain more experience in general and to learn more about the profession, among a couple other vague suggestions. I'll email Heather to see what's up too. I don't think they're allowed to give feedback until final decisions are made though.

I was also thinking of the possibility that they convert grades slightly differently at each institution, so maybe my grades actually worked out to be lower? I don't know

 

[LeilaFay]

Yeah, ick.... 👎

I totally understand wanting to move. I would move to ON if I were in your shoes as well.

I will be taking 1/3 paths come August:

1. Accepted to UCVM, stay in Calgary.
2. Accepted to WCVM, move to Saskatoon.
3. Not accepted to either, move to Saskatchewan for residency.

Less than half the applicant pool last year in SK for the same number of seats (not sure where it's standing this year) means I would be silly applying for a 3rd time still in AB. Giving up the ability to apply to UCVM, if they require you to stay in AB, is a cost I'm willing to pay. (It would be very unfair, IMO, to allow someone to move to SK for a better shot at WCVM and still allow them to apply to UCVM. I will be doing some checking, but for that reason, I doubt it's possible).

I would have been done my first year in Kansas right now had I not turned them down, so I'm not going to sit here wasting time in AB with ever increasing app numbers. Hopefully it doesn't come down to that.

I applied 4 times from AB! 😉

But agreed SK or MB will give you a whole new applicant pool that you will likely make it in the top!

 

[Escalla]

I applied 4 times from AB! 😉

But agreed SK or MB will give you a whole new applicant pool that you will likely make it in the top!

I just don't know how you did it. 😀

 

[LeilaFay]

I just don't know how you did it. 😀

Sometimes I don't know either! But after two interviews I was able to piece together what questions they were asking so that my third interview was almost predictable.

 

[kakula]

Wow, reading these threads are insane! Seriously? First in the wait list and first round interview still do not qualified for an interview this year?? Don't lost hope anyways, there's still chance before they post the final call.

I wonder how they calculate GPA, I do not know my GPA caz juss don't know with calculation they do.....confusion!!

 

[thenuttyclub]

I just don't know how you did it. 😀

Somehow you just do; you know it's what you want and you know in your heart you're a good candidate! It's also easier knowing that there are many others out there who apply > 3 times to get in. If I didn't have friends who struggled as hard as I have to get in, I don't know if I would have continued applying like I have.

 

[Escalla]

Panel has been updated. All offers have been sent. I am so sorry you guys. 🙁 Please keep us in the loop if you're comfortable doing so. I can't believe it.....

 

[kermit123]

Thanks guys for all your kind words. Devastated doesn't even begin to describe it, but I guess this is a sign it's time to move on - whether it's from this school or from the profession in general, I have to think about that over the next couple months.

(Pretty annoyed at everyone I know who wouldn't take "I might not get in .." as an answer ... but for once being right isn't actually that awesome)

I can't apply to OVC as an Ontario resident even if I move until the c/o 2019 ... it's very discouraging to have to put off a career path for that long. I'd like to be able to volunteer abroad at some point but that's generally quite expensive and I wouldn't be able to get residency elsewhere.

It's too bad money isn't no object - ah well. Best of luck to you all! I have a great friend I'm sure will be joining you at one of the two schools (pretty much a shoo-in, crazy girl!) and hopefully I will (eventually) join you in the realm of vetmed! 🙂

 

[Petose]

Kermit, I feel for you. You did not deserve this kind outcome, I hope it all works out for you in the end. For those who got second round interviews, good luck.

 

[Escalla]

c/o 2019? 😱 Wow, I didn't think it would take that long...

I wish you the very best of luck!!! I hope you find success and happiness in whichever path you choose.

 

[thenuttyclub]

Thanks guys for all your kind words. Devastated doesn't even begin to describe it, but I guess this is a sign it's time to move on - whether it's from this school or from the profession in general, I have to think about that over the next couple months.

It's too bad money isn't no object - ah well. Best of luck to you all! I have a great friend I'm sure will be joining you at one of the two schools (pretty much a shoo-in, crazy girl!) and hopefully I will (eventually) join you in the realm of vetmed! 🙂

I'm really sorry to hear 🙁 . I know just how discouraging the process can be. If I don't get in this year, I'm considering applying in the states. Is that something you ever would/could consider? I have absolutely no financial help... everything is going to have to be bank loan for me, no matter where I go. But I know that vet med is really what I want to do. I can't remember offhand how many times you said you applied... but in your shoes I would definitely be talking to Heather to see what happened... this situation just seems so wrong.

 

[Rhetorical]

My feedback last year was pretty unhelpful. I didn't save the letter unfortunately, but it said to just gain more experience in general and to learn more about the profession, among a couple other vague suggestions. I'll email Heather to see what's up too. I don't think they're allowed to give feedback until final decisions are made though.

I was also thinking of the possibility that they convert grades slightly differently at each institution, so maybe my grades actually worked out to be lower? I don't know

That doesn't sound vague to me! I wrote down all the interview questions after I came out (in case I needs them for next year haha) and I can pinpoint the questions from which those qualities (and maplegals) were assessed. Well, except gain more experience, that's sort of vague...

Just got a UCVM email, made my heart skip a beat! too bad it was only asking to confirm my contact information 😛 Did everyone get this email? (I'm hoping I'm special 😉 )

 

[jestry]

Thanks guys for all your kind words. Devastated doesn't even begin to describe it, but I guess this is a sign it's time to move on - whether it's from this school or from the profession in general, I have to think about that over the next couple months.

(Pretty annoyed at everyone I know who wouldn't take "I might not get in .." as an answer ... but for once being right isn't actually that awesome)

I can't apply to OVC as an Ontario resident even if I move until the c/o 2019 ... it's very discouraging to have to put off a career path for that long. I'd like to be able to volunteer abroad at some point but that's generally quite expensive and I wouldn't be able to get residency elsewhere.

It's too bad money isn't no object - ah well. Best of luck to you all! I have a great friend I'm sure will be joining you at one of the two schools (pretty much a shoo-in, crazy girl!) and hopefully I will (eventually) join you in the realm of vetmed! 🙂

That's crazy, and I still can't believe you didn't get an interview. 😡 I don't know if you've ever considered applying to US schools, but there are a few that let you switch to instate tuition after a year (ex: UC Davis, NCSU), and I'm sure you'd have a shot with your stats. 🙁 I guess they're still a little pricey compared to WCVM though.

Don't give up. You totally deserve to go and will get into vet school! 👍

 

[Escalla]

Just got a UCVM email, made my heart skip a beat! too bad it was only asking to confirm my contact information 😛 Did everyone get this email? (I'm hoping I'm special 😉 )

Easy, there. We still have a few weeks. 😉 I got the email as well.

 

[Escalla]

That's crazy, and I still can't believe you didn't get an interview. 😡 I don't know if you've ever considered applying to US schools, but there are a few that let you switch to instate tuition after a year (ex: UC Davis, NCSU), and I'm sure you'd have a shot with your stats. 🙁

Don't give up. You totally deserve to go and will get into vet school! 👍

Do you have dual citizenship?

 

[Rhetorical]

Easy, there. We still have a few weeks. 😉 I got the email as well.

damn it 😛 maybe we are both special

 

[Escalla]

damn it 😛 maybe we are both special

 

[jestry]

Do you have dual citizenship?

I'm actually not a US citizen, but I've lived in the US since elementary school so I have residency here.

 

[Escalla]

I'm actually not a US citizen, but I've lived in the US since elementary school so I have residency here.

Cool!

The reason I asked was because it requires pretty special circumstances to gain IS tuition from my experience. I saw you were considering TAMU? That's awesome! Hopefully you get to choose. 🙂

 

[jestry]

Cool!

The reason I asked was because it requires pretty special circumstances to gain IS tuition from my experience. I saw you were considering TAMU? That's awesome! Hopefully you get to choose. 🙂

I think there was a thread about which schools reasonably let you gain IS tuition a while back. Some schools make it ridiculously hard. Other schools actually encourage you to file for instate tuition. You just have to do your research. But yeah, even IS for most US schools is way more expensive than Canadian schools.

 

[Escalla]

I think there was a thread about which schools reasonably let you gain IS tuition a while back. Some schools make it ridiculously hard. Other schools actually encourage you to file for instate tuition. You just have to do your research. But yeah, even IS for most US schools is way more expensive than Canadian schools.

Oh, I was meaning even gaining residency anywhere. At least I wasn't able to despite attending undergrad in MN. I don't know if it's possible for someone who hasn't already established residency prior, like yourself.

 

[jestry]

Oh, I was meaning even gaining residency anywhere. At least I wasn't able to despite attending undergrad in MN. I don't know if it's possible for someone who hasn't already established residency prior, like yourself.

I have residency in CA and TX, but for any other US school, I'm considered OOS. So when I applied to Ohio I was OOS, and I'm pretty sure all OOS applicants (all other states, Canadian, international, etc) were treated the same.

And yet Ohio really encourages you to switch over after the first year. It's pretty simple. You basically you have to prove you're financially independent (not have anyone send you money), have lived in Ohio for a year (which you will have after year 1), and not leave the state for more than x amount of days in that year. Details. I think something like over 90% of their OOS students switched after the first year.

For Ohio, turns out switching doesn't actually make it that much cheaper, because that first year is RIDICULOUSLY expensive to make up for you paying a reduced price the next 3 years, but it's an example of how some schools do encourage students to switch.

Some schools, like Minnesota, specify living in a state for the purpose of education doesn't count towards your residency requirement. Others like Ohio, don't care. I think this is the thread I was looking at if you're interested.

 

[Escalla]

Good deal! Glad there are some options out there for those looking to apply in the U.S. 🙂 OOS is just so ridiculous.

 

[maplegal]

Thanks guys for all your kind words. Devastated doesn't even begin to describe it, but I guess this is a sign it's time to move on - whether it's from this school or from the profession in general, I have to think about that over the next couple months.

(Pretty annoyed at everyone I know who wouldn't take "I might not get in .." as an answer ... but for once being right isn't actually that awesome)

I can't apply to OVC as an Ontario resident even if I move until the c/o 2019 ... it's very discouraging to have to put off a career path for that long. I'd like to be able to volunteer abroad at some point but that's generally quite expensive and I wouldn't be able to get residency elsewhere.

It's too bad money isn't no object - ah well. Best of luck to you all! I have a great friend I'm sure will be joining you at one of the two schools (pretty much a shoo-in, crazy girl!) and hopefully I will (eventually) join you in the realm of vetmed! 🙂

I just can't believe this. It's friggin' scary how one could go from 21st to 50+ in one year. There's seriously something wrong with this picture. Your devastating experience has made my decision for me - regardless of whether I'm top 20 this year or not, come July-August, I'm moving to SK. I just don't know how else one can stand out without moving to a less competitive applicant pool. Move with me? We could be roomies. And kick ass next year. Kermit, it's just too late to give up now. Hang on, babe.

 

[LeilaFay]

Thanks guys for all your kind words. Devastated doesn't even begin to describe it, but I guess this is a sign it's time to move on - whether it's from this school or from the profession in general, I have to think about that over the next couple months.

(Pretty annoyed at everyone I know who wouldn't take "I might not get in .." as an answer ... but for once being right isn't actually that awesome)

I can't apply to OVC as an Ontario resident even if I move until the c/o 2019 ... it's very discouraging to have to put off a career path for that long. I'd like to be able to volunteer abroad at some point but that's generally quite expensive and I wouldn't be able to get residency elsewhere.

It's too bad money isn't no object - ah well. Best of luck to you all! I have a great friend I'm sure will be joining you at one of the two schools (pretty much a shoo-in, crazy girl!) and hopefully I will (eventually) join you in the realm of vetmed! 🙂

I don't understand how their system works. Or where all these stellar applicants are coming from??

What did they call them? Hedge hoppers? Maybe there are a bunch of those applying now.

I would still contact Heather for some advice.

 

[jumpergirl]

I agree. Last year Heather really helped me with my decision on how I can make my chances better. The nice thing is that you dont have to beat around the bush when asking her questions... I was completely blunt and honest and she helped me.