Before hearing from all of you I would have thought it was radical to falsify your record to get into medical school. Now I realize that since it's easy and you are unlikely to get caught, it is fine. Actually, most people in the thread agree with me that falsifying your record is wrong (see first few pages). They just gave up on you a while ago.
yes, don't even indluge in the possibility that people sign on at different times but let's draw a conclusion based on limited sampling. It's logics like these that twart things like the accuracy of evidence based medicine.
And I think less of them all for it, and I hope you do too.
By your definition then, there is no good person in the world. Afterall, I don't know a great person in history who hasn't done something that was "immoral" by your standards. I can't but ask the question... who is more cynical now?
If you have lied and falsified your record society has every right to judge you. You better believe that if a med school realizes you have fudged your record, your app is going right into the fireplace. Why do you think that is? I mean, come on, it's no big deal, they know what goes on. They shouldn't judge you.
That seems like a radical point of view. You don't think you lied about your records? I bet I can find many places on your apps where you fudged the number of hours you spent on an EC. It may not be that you thought you could lie big time and get away with it, but I'll bet there were times where you thought you did so many hours of work but in reality you performed sub that amount. It's understandable that people make an estimation of their efforts on their application in favor of showing that they are deserving. Hence what I said before, it's not a matter of if people lie, it's a matter of how much they lie.
Draw the line on how much, not if. Becuase I don't believe that anyone can truly say that they didn't "lie" in the sense of embossment that previous radical posters have suggested. What gets me is the fact that people are so willing to judge others that they don't recongize what they do is the same thing. So when they make radical comments, it gets to me.
But if you can say that you are someone who kept track of all your times and say that you didn't at all lie on your records, then I have to say I think less of you if not for the fact that I think it's BS, then for the fact that I think you as some sort of gunner student who would go the ways to record down anything in your life that can be counted toward strenghening your med app. Not that I think you would care, the reason I consider myself to have lied on my apps is becuase I couldn't honestly remember every hour I worked, so I optimistically guessed. But I see that as having the same underlying motivation as someone who has lied considerabily more than me. So, I won't judge someone just becuase I hear that they have lied on their apps until I undertand the degree of what they did. Especially since I don't even think the application process is an accurate measure of how good a doctor you will be (which for us pre-meds, is the paramount goal)
Padding your record isn't as bad as some things you could lie about, but it sure isn't as benign as telling Aunt Millie how pretty her sweater is. It isn't any better than lying about your grades or your work experience or anything else on your application.
You are the person who is willing to cancel the works of all those great people in history because they have not been the prefect saints that you must judge them to be. But now you are telling me it's okay to tell a lie? I ask you sir, where do you draw YOUR line?
