WW Child's Play; a noob game

[Kam325]

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Taking my dog to the parking and heading to lunch, but who am I kidding, I'll be checking in on my phone.

Happy lynching!

 

[Caiter92]

Okay. You know what, fine. I'm willing to go along with this. Unless Caiter can come up with a really good defense for herself.

I was hesitant to do this, but for now...

lynch Caiter

I have given multiple reasons and defenses. Look back this page and the last few.

 

[Caiter92]

Evading questions, are we?

 

[KCgophervet]

Kcough doesn't get out of bed before 10am on a weekend if she can help it 😛 But I had pages of reading to catch up on and a spreadsheet to update (yes I started one last night... le sigh).

I'm going to reply to Kam's novel first because a few things that didn't sit right with her about Caiter don't really fit with how I see things. I'm not defending Caiter, there does seem to be something fishy happening and I have no evidence either way, but let's break it down:

It was mostly just uncertainty and suspicion before the lynch vote...she'd campaigned against Lady at a few points in the thread, using what seemed to be an incredibly ill-conceived argument. She's also been happy to jump on board and vote for Chordata. She gave me some feels, but it wasn't set in stone.

I've had unjustified feels about certain people too. I also was suspicious of Lady at first... so I can't really count that as a mark against Caiter. Also the only reason she was originally targeted was for being the 13th person to sign up.

She evaded questions until minutes before the lynch vote. Then, all of a sudden, she pops up to claim to be a seer. The single most convenient villager role to hide behind.

So okay, what if she WAS a villager though, and it was just bad luck we were trying to lynch her? Easy. We gave her an out. I directly asked her to reveal her character information to confirm what she had said. She refused.

It makes no rational sense at all to be willing to disclose that you're a seer, but unwilling to post your character name and copy/paste at least a portion of your role description. If she HAD been a villager, she could have done it in minutes. I proved that myself. Takes no time at all. SOV/Lupin's writing is distinctive enough, so we would have been very likely to believe her. After revealing the meat of it, why hold this back? A villager would have no reason to.

See I have problems with this statement. On the one hand, you're absolutely right, there should have been no need for a villager to hide at this point. BUT if she is Grimm, and a villager, we already had stated we might be looking for adults so I can definitely see why she'd want to withhold that part of the information. I wouldn't want to out myself as an adult, even if not all adults are evil.

Then, when she finally reveals, she tells us she's Grimm. Grimm? Really? An adult in a game we are told is about a group of children who are being hunted down by bad guys. An adult who is known specifically for crafting stories in which innocent children face torture and cruelty and depravity? Homie is no friend to the young ones. This is the PERFECT character for a head wolf, in my opinion. As others have mentioned, it could also fit as Chaos...maybe Grimm takes a more unbiased role, but he certainly revels in bedlam and upheaval.

Again, I feel like if she were a wolf, and withholding her true role, then why come out and say you're Grimm? Kind of makes her an obvious target from both sides, and since she was so reluctant to reveal and then revealed a role with good reason to be reluctant, all kind of rings true to me. If she were a wolf, wouldn't it have been safer to make up some random kid role?

We then find out that there's another villager seer out there. I am much more inclined to believe that there is only one villager seer and one wolf seer than that there are two villager seers. These games are designed to be balanced. There's a thread devoted to future WW games/game in development in which SDN'ers volunteer to test the games for balance before they are played. The mods want to see a true free for all. They're not going to stack the deck one way or another, and giving the villagers two seers would do just that.

I don't know about this one. The picture message could be genuine, or it could be a wolf trying to push you into lynching Caiter, knowing you've been suspicious of her all along.

To make matters worse, Caiter is decidedly inconsistent in the stories she tells us and the points she makes. You saw earlier this morning....she claimed to have never said I was a villager, until I quoted the post that proved otherwise.

Again Caiter's defense on this one rang true to me. She initially posted that you were an obvious villager looking for a partner. If all she gets are roles/abilities and not affiliations, I too would have assumed Wendy is an obvious villager, but technically she may not know for sure if Wendy is villager or chaos or wolf.

She also tells us that she has received a "special protection box" to use tonight, so neener neener "wolves", she'll be around tomorrow! Nice excuse for why she isn't dying over night, if it actually fit into a rational model of villager behavior. A real villager would want to keep this a secret. A real villager would realize that it would be GOOD if a wolf came after her and she was protected, because it would spare someone else. I also don't believe that anyone was likely to have sent Caiter a protective item last night, unless it was a random number generator, since other targets (like Hazel and Devastating) were much more important for us to try to keep around.

I don't know how to feel about this one. On one hand, maybe you're absolutely right and she is retroactively coming up with a good reason why the wolves aren't killing a fellow wolf. On the other hand, maybe she doesn't actually have an item of protection tonight and claimed to have one in the hopes that the wolves wouldn't bother targeting her. My brain hurts.

Also, I'd like to note that Caiter is now voting to lynch me, even though she's said before she knows I'm a villager. She claims to think I'm Chaos (convenient, if inconsistent), but even in that case, you'd think a villager would care more about lynching an actual wolf. This reminds me of her excuse for wanting to lynch LadyOTheFarm...she claimed to think Huck was a wolfy role. What? Huck is easily recognized as a relatively harmless child and a decidedly good kid. Makes no sense. It DOES make sense for a wolf to pull out weird, tenuous, inconsistent reasons for wanting to lynch people who later turn out to be villagers, though.

I too thought Huck might be a wolfy role, same as Edmund my poor brother. At that point in the game it wasn't clear what the game mechanics were going to be like, or what the wolves would really look like.

In conclusion, I don't know about Caiter. But I'm not sold on your arguments for her.

I'm honestly more suspicious of SFSteph... she's only ever voted for villagers, always jumps on bandwagon, did NOT vote for Hayley when the bandwagon was going that way... and just feels suspicious to me. Then again, my gut feels are not always correct (though I was having mixed feels about PBC, still feel like Rocky and Pink are suspicious).

 

[finnickthedog]

what about swini? where are they? and where is kcough? recently been spotted but I don't recall them saying anything.

What about them?
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Separate note, I think the Caiter argument is very convincing but I'd love to discuss other options.
Another reason I've thought of that this would be good is because we are going to lose another villager or two tonight and with our luck it will be one of the ones who has awesome ideas. We need to squeeze everything we can out of people while they're still alive, right?

 

[Trilt]

Evading questions, are we?

I've given just as much info as several other people. Named characters have not seemed to have the best success record so far, so I think the other villagers can understand me not going into deep deep detail.

 

[deleted676737]

I'm also suspicious of SFSteph, for the reasons KCoughli stated.

 

[KCgophervet]

what about swini? where are they? and where is kcough? recently been spotted but I don't recall them saying anything.

See post above, takes time to catch up and write a huge multi-quoted response 😛

 

[finnickthedog]

I've given just as much info as several other people. Named characters have not seemed to have the best success record so far, so I think the other villagers can understand me not going into deep deep detail.

Well, actually we lost an unidentified character last night. Not one we terribly miss but still... No one knew PBC was Peter Pan. I don't even remember her hinting.

At this point it almost seems like role revealing (with a convincing role) is the best way to avoid a lynch.

That said, I do understand why you'd want to keep it hushed. I still regret that mine is so open.

 

[deleted676737]

Well, actually we lost an unidentified character last night. Not one we terribly miss but still... No one knew PBC was Peter Pan. I don't even remember her hinting.

At this point it almost seems like role revealing (with a convincing role) is the best way to avoid a lynch.

That said, I do understand why you'd want to keep it hushed. I still regret that mine is so open.

Yeah, me, too.

That being said, my opening up did help to confirm Rocky's and Mouse's identities...

 

[Kam325]

Kcough doesn't get out of bed before 10am on a weekend if she can help it 😛 But I had pages of reading to catch up on and a spreadsheet to update (yes I started one last night... le sigh).

I'm going to reply to Kam's novel first because a few things that didn't sit right with her about Caiter don't really fit with how I see things. I'm not defending Caiter, there does seem to be something fishy happening and I have no evidence either way, but let's break it down:

I've had unjustified feels about certain people too. I also was suspicious of Lady at first... so I can't really count that as a mark against Caiter. Also the only reason she was originally targeted was for being the 13th person to sign up.


See I have problems with this statement. On the one hand, you're absolutely right, there should have been no need for a villager to hide at this point. BUT if she is Grimm, and a villager, we already had stated we might be looking for adults so I can definitely see why she'd want to withhold that part of the information. I wouldn't want to out myself as an adult, even if not all adults are evil.


Again, I feel like if she were a wolf, and withholding her true role, then why come out and say you're Grimm? Kind of makes her an obvious target from both sides, and since she was so reluctant to reveal and then revealed a role with good reason to be reluctant, all kind of rings true to me. If she were a wolf, wouldn't it have been safer to make up some random kid role?


I don't know about this one. The picture message could be genuine, or it could be a wolf trying to push you into lynching Caiter, knowing you've been suspicious of her all along.


Again Caiter's defense on this one rang true to me. She initially posted that you were an obvious villager looking for a partner. If all she gets are roles/abilities and not affiliations, I too would have assumed Wendy is an obvious villager, but technically she may not know for sure if Wendy is villager or chaos or wolf.


I don't know how to feel about this one. On one hand, maybe you're absolutely right and she is retroactively coming up with a good reason why the wolves aren't killing a fellow wolf. On the other hand, maybe she doesn't actually have an item of protection tonight and claimed to have one in the hopes that the wolves wouldn't bother targeting her. My brain hurts.


I too thought Huck might be a wolfy role, same as Edmund my poor brother. At that point in the game it wasn't clear what the game mechanics were going to be like, or what the wolves would really look like.

In conclusion, I don't know about Caiter. But I'm not sold on your arguments for her.

I'm honestly more suspicious of SFSteph... she's only ever voted for villagers, always jumps on bandwagon, did NOT vote for Hayley when the bandwagon was going that way... and just feels suspicious to me. Then again, my gut feels are not always correct (though I was having mixed feels about PBC, still feel like Rocky and Pink are suspicious).

All of this is really solid and well argued. Definitely points to consider. I know I'm full steam ahead with the lynch train, but I agree that it's important to consider reasonable alternatives for what has been going on.

 

[StartingoverVet]

Official Sunday Lynch Tally

Gator 7: (cam, hmoo, findog, rocky, STD, trilt, ketone)
Cam 1: (gator)

waffles: 1

8/15 votes received.

Deadline is 10pm

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[Kam325]

Something else to think about. I've seen a mechanic for lynch avoidance benefit wolves in a lot of other games. I agree that SFSteph is also likely to be a strong second choice for the lynch tonight. Does anyone have any reason to believe one might be a "safer" lynch than the other?

Also, if there's a wolf seer, and there was a wolf blocker (Hayley), then maybe there's a wolf protector as well? Which do we think is more important to get rid of first?

 

[Teepster87]

Lynch sfsteph.
I'm not fully aboard the caiter train, and she's one I don't know enough about to keep around

 

[deleted676737]

I think that I, too, will switch my lynch vote. At least for the time being. The whole deal with Caiter is a bit of a mess, and I keep mentally switching sides. Until things become a bit more clear, I think it's more wise to refrain from jumping aboard the lynch Caiter train.

This person, though, I've had some pretty iffy feels over for the past couple of days... and I'm glad to see that others are also finding her suspect.

unlynch Caiter
lynch SFSteph

 

[deleted676737]

And now I'm actually going to go study now.

Be back in a couple of hours.

 

[hazelmoo]

I was also very suspect of SF.. and it might sound stupid, but I unsuspected her after viewing her profile and seeing how few messages she has. She only has 62. I would suspect that wolves would have many more than that. Heck, I have more than that by just talking to my mentor.

 

[hazelmoo]

Even if caiter isn't a wolf, I still fear that there could be some evil within the character...

 

[Filly Bay]

I was also very suspect of SF.. and it might sound stupid, but I unsuspected her after viewing her profile and seeing how few messages she has. She only has 62. I would suspect that wolves would have many more than that. Heck, I have more than that by just talking to my mentor.

I dont think messages = private messages. The messages refer to how many times she's posted on a forum.

 

[hazelmoo]

oh.. well now I feel dumb in that case, I am suspect of SF as well.

 

[hazelmoo]

maybe we should go for SF instead.. because even if Caiter is voted to lynch, couldn't they escape with their box? or is that only protection against wolves? if they really received protection, maybe it is because we will need them later? I am scared that if we don't kill a wolf today, our night will be even more terrible than before 🙁

 

[hazelmoo]

unlynch caiter

lynch SF

for now at least.. Sorry mods. Don't hate me!

 

[PrincessButterCup]

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@Lupin21 , @StartingoverVet, don't you both look particularly stunning today.
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[Filly Bay]

maybe we should go for SF instead.. because even if Caiter is voted to lynch, couldn't they escape with their box? or is that only protection against wolves? if they really received protection, maybe it is because we will need them later? I am scared that if we don't kill a wolf today, our night will be even more terrible than before 🙁

I *think* protection would just be from a wolf kill, not from a lynch but I could be wrong. My issue is that Caiter has made a noob move by saying she has a protection box tonight, she doesn't actually have it and is trying to make the wolves think she does, she's lying about it to make us think shes a villager, or shes a wolf but someone sent her the protection thinking she was a villager. As a villager, it would NOT be smart to say you have the protection because you should be hoping the wolves waste a kill on you. As a villager, saying you have protection is something would do to make the wolves skip killing you for that night.

 

[Gwenevre]

unlynch caiter

lynch SF

for now at least.. Sorry mods. Don't hate me!

Good God that looks delicious

 

[Mouse2106]

Mouse, I wish you made sense. 😕

But then how would I get my giggles if there were no longer confused posts about where I stand?

I can neither confirm or deny my role at this moment in time. If I confirm that I'm a villager, the wolves would be after me. If I confirm I'm a wolf, the villagers would be after me.

I may like to read, but how would one know if it's because I may learn things to help my villager friends or if it's because once I read a book, I can kill off a villager by knocking them over the head with it.

Decisions, decisions.

 

[Filly Bay]

Don't get me wrong, I'm suspicious of SF too. I just think we've given Caiter too many chances and we keep saying "if she's still alive tomorrow, we'll lynch her."

 

[WildZoo]

I've only ever seen one Chaos per game before, but anyone know if it's possible to have two? @WildZoo, care to weigh in? 😉

😀😀😀😀
It has happened (there were many in The Stand). At least once in a SOV game.

 

[Teepster87]

Tomorrow,tomorrow, we'll Lynch her tomorrow, its only a day away

 

[Filly Bay]

Tomorrow,tomorrow, we'll Lynch her tomorrow, its only a day away

Um, did you eat hazelmoo?

 

[finnickthedog]

But then how would I get my giggles if there were no longer confused posts about where I stand?

I can neither confirm or deny my role at this moment in time. If I confirm that I'm a villager, the wolves would be after me. If I confirm I'm a wolf, the villagers would be after me.

I may like to read, but how would one know if it's because I may learn things to help my villager friends or if it's because once I read a book, I can kill off a villager by knocking them over the head with it.

Decisions, decisions.

LOL. The wolves already know you're a villager (assuming you are indeed one).
I'm pretty sure you're Klaus anyways. No one else fits the bill and I can't imagine there's a Violet, Sunny, and no Klaus.

Don't get me wrong, I'm suspicious of SF too. I just think we've given Caiter too many chances and we keep saying "if she's still alive tomorrow, we'll lynch her."

This is true. This is the fourth day we've started out by wanting to lynch Caiter. Do we want to give her a pass again?

Tomorrow,tomorrow, we'll Lynch her tomorrow, its only a day away

Hey! That's Hazel's line!

 

[hazelmoo]

I *think* protection would just be from a wolf kill, not from a lynch but I could be wrong. My issue is that Caiter has made a noob move by saying she has a protection box tonight, she doesn't actually have it and is trying to make the wolves think she does, she's lying about it to make us think shes a villager, or shes a wolf but someone sent her the protection thinking she was a villager. As a villager, it would NOT be smart to say you have the protection because you should be hoping the wolves waste a kill on you. As a villager, saying you have protection is something would do to make the wolves skip killing you for that night.

that's true.. when I had my wagon I kept it secret on purpose cause I knew the wolves would want to kill me and that way someone else got to live...

 

[finnickthedog]

I don't know.
I kind of feel like if we're going to waste time suspecting Caiter everyday maybe we should just lynch her and get it over with.
We might be wrong, but at least we won't have the same conversation every morning?

On the other hand... I'd hate to lynch another villager.
UGH!

 

[PrincessButterCup]

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I'm bored. Can I play with the other children, if I promise to be good?
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[finnickthedog]

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I'm bored. Can I play with the other children, if I promise to be good?
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Children aren't supposed to play with dead things 😉

 

[PrincessButterCup]

Children aren't supposed to play with dead things 😉

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But they all do, anyway 😛
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[hazelmoo]

Children aren't supposed to play with dead things 😉

When I was little, I would find dead things on the side of the road (usually squirrels) and I would use sticks to dissect them... I was a very strange child! (this has nothing to do with my character, FYI... I did this in real life unfortunately).

 

[hazelmoo]

 

[finnickthedog]

When I was little, I would find dead things on the side of the road (usually squirrels) and I would use sticks to dissect them... I was a very strange child! (this has nothing to do with my character, FYI... I did this in real life unfortunately).

Well as long as you don't do it now...

 

[PrincessButterCup]

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Hazel misses me. Hazel wants me back.

Don't ya, Hazel? 😉

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[hazelmoo]

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Hazel misses me. Hazel wants me back.

Don't ya, Hazel? 😉

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[PrincessButterCup]

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Tell me how you really feel.

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[PrincessButterCup]

Well, actually we lost an unidentified character last night. Not one we terribly miss but still... No one knew PBC was Peter Pan. I don't even remember her hinting.

At this point it almost seems like role revealing (with a convincing role) is the best way to avoid a lynch.

That said, I do understand why you'd want to keep it hushed. I still regret that mine is so open.

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Hey, what's with this?
Tiny Tim dies and everyone's all, RIP, Tiny Tim. We miss you.
Peter Pan dies and it's oh, we don't miss that guy . . .
For shame, y'all. For shame.

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[hazelmoo]

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Hey, what's with this?
Tiny Tim dies and everyone's all, RIP, Tiny Tim. We miss you.
Peter Pan dies and it's oh, we don't miss that guy . . .
For shame, y'all. For shame.

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[KCgophervet]

I'm sticking with my gut for now and am going to

lynch SFSteph

I know the least about her character, she always votes bandwagon except for Hayley (a confirmed wolf), and I just gots my feels. I hope I'm not wrong...

 

[deleted676737]

All right, I've made some progress on my biochem homework (by the way, anyone here had to use Sapling for their chem classes? Such a piece of garbage website...), so I'm back for a little bit!

It seems I've only really missed more people switching votes to SF and Peter Pan asking to play with us. Coolio.

 

[Filly Bay]

All right, I've made some progress on my biochem homework (by the way, anyone here had to use Sapling for their chem classes? Such a piece of garbage website...), so I'm back for a little bit!

It seems I've only really missed more people switching votes to SF and Peter Pan asking to play with us. Coolio.

Sapling was AWFUL. Told me I was wrong all the time and then spit out an answer that exactly matched mine.

 

[finnickthedog]

I'm keeping my vote on Caiter for the time being.

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Hey, what's with this?
Tiny Tim dies and everyone's all, RIP, Tiny Tim. We miss you.
Peter Pan dies and it's oh, we don't miss that guy . . .
For shame, y'all. For shame.

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Tiny Tim was a teeny crippled boy who we viciously stoned to death.
We aren't even responsible for your death.
We do miss you though. Just not terribly. 😛

 

[katashark]

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Hey, what's with this?
Tiny Tim dies and everyone's all, RIP, Tiny Tim. We miss you.
Peter Pan dies and it's oh, we don't miss that guy . . .
For shame, y'all. For shame.

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Right? Tiny Tim - my friend, whom I mourned - dies and everyone freaks out. I die and I have an ability that helps people, no one cares.

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[hazelmoo]

I'm still salty about my pie... From now on, whenever I see a raven or crow, I will forever have flashbacks of the crowing... so... much... crowing...