Kcough doesn't get out of bed before 10am on a weekend if she can help it
😛 But I had pages of reading to catch up on and a spreadsheet to update (yes I started one last night... le sigh).
I'm going to reply to Kam's novel first because a few things that didn't sit right with her about Caiter don't really fit with how I see things. I'm not defending Caiter, there does seem to be something fishy happening and I have no evidence either way, but let's break it down:
It was mostly just uncertainty and suspicion before the lynch vote...she'd campaigned against Lady at a few points in the thread, using what seemed to be an incredibly ill-conceived argument. She's also been happy to jump on board and vote for Chordata. She gave me some feels, but it wasn't set in stone.
I've had unjustified feels about certain people too. I also was suspicious of Lady at first... so I can't really count that as a mark against Caiter. Also the only reason she was originally targeted was for being the 13th person to sign up.
She evaded questions until minutes before the lynch vote. Then, all of a sudden, she pops up to claim to be a seer. The single most convenient villager role to hide behind.
So okay, what if she WAS a villager though, and it was just bad luck we were trying to lynch her? Easy. We gave her an out. I directly asked her to reveal her character information to confirm what she had said. She refused.
It makes no rational sense at all to be willing to disclose that you're a seer, but unwilling to post your character name and copy/paste at least a portion of your role description. If she HAD been a villager, she could have done it in minutes. I proved that myself. Takes no time at all. SOV/Lupin's writing is distinctive enough, so we would have been very likely to believe her. After revealing the meat of it, why hold this back? A villager would have no reason to.
See I have problems with this statement. On the one hand, you're absolutely right, there should have been no need for a villager to hide at this point. BUT if she is Grimm, and a villager, we already had stated we might be looking for adults so I can definitely see why she'd want to withhold that part of the information. I wouldn't want to out myself as an adult, even if not all adults are evil.
Then, when she finally reveals, she tells us she's Grimm. Grimm? Really? An adult in a game we are told is about a group of children who are being hunted down by bad guys. An adult who is known specifically for crafting stories in which innocent children face torture and cruelty and depravity? Homie is no friend to the young ones. This is the PERFECT character for a head wolf, in my opinion. As others have mentioned, it could also fit as Chaos...maybe Grimm takes a more unbiased role, but he certainly revels in bedlam and upheaval.
Again, I feel like if she were a wolf, and withholding her true role, then why come out and say you're Grimm? Kind of makes her an obvious target from both sides, and since she was so reluctant to reveal and then revealed a role with good reason to be reluctant, all kind of rings true to me. If she were a wolf, wouldn't it have been safer to make up some random kid role?
We then find out that there's another villager seer out there. I am much more inclined to believe that there is only one villager seer and one wolf seer than that there are two villager seers. These games are designed to be balanced. There's a thread devoted to future WW games/game in development in which SDN'ers volunteer to test the games for balance before they are played. The mods want to see a true free for all. They're not going to stack the deck one way or another, and giving the villagers two seers would do just that.
I don't know about this one. The picture message could be genuine, or it could be a wolf trying to push you into lynching Caiter, knowing you've been suspicious of her all along.
To make matters worse, Caiter is decidedly inconsistent in the stories she tells us and the points she makes. You saw earlier this morning....she claimed to have never said I was a villager, until I quoted the post that proved otherwise.
Again Caiter's defense on this one rang true to me. She initially posted that you were an obvious villager looking for a partner. If all she gets are roles/abilities and not affiliations, I too would have assumed Wendy is an obvious villager, but technically she may not know for sure if Wendy is villager or chaos or wolf.
She also tells us that she has received a "special protection box" to use tonight, so neener neener "wolves", she'll be around tomorrow! Nice excuse for why she isn't dying over night, if it actually fit into a rational model of villager behavior. A real villager would want to keep this a secret. A real villager would realize that it would be GOOD if a wolf came after her and she was protected, because it would spare someone else. I also don't believe that anyone was likely to have sent Caiter a protective item last night, unless it was a random number generator, since other targets (like Hazel and Devastating) were much more important for us to try to keep around.
I don't know how to feel about this one. On one hand, maybe you're absolutely right and she is retroactively coming up with a good reason why the wolves aren't killing a fellow wolf. On the other hand, maybe she doesn't actually have an item of protection tonight and claimed to have one in the hopes that the wolves wouldn't bother targeting her. My brain hurts.
Also, I'd like to note that Caiter is now voting to lynch me, even though she's said before she knows I'm a villager. She claims to think I'm Chaos (convenient, if inconsistent), but even in that case, you'd think a villager would care more about lynching an actual wolf. This reminds me of her excuse for wanting to lynch LadyOTheFarm...she claimed to think Huck was a wolfy role. What? Huck is easily recognized as a relatively harmless child and a decidedly good kid. Makes no sense. It DOES make sense for a wolf to pull out weird, tenuous, inconsistent reasons for wanting to lynch people who later turn out to be villagers, though.
I too thought Huck might be a wolfy role, same as Edmund my poor brother. At that point in the game it wasn't clear what the game mechanics were going to be like, or what the wolves would really look like.
In conclusion, I don't know about Caiter. But I'm not sold on your arguments for her.
I'm honestly more suspicious of SFSteph... she's only ever voted for villagers, always jumps on bandwagon, did NOT vote for Hayley when the bandwagon was going that way... and just
feels suspicious to me. Then again, my gut feels are not always correct (though I was having mixed feels about PBC, still feel like Rocky and Pink are suspicious).
