WW in Colorado

[Lawpy]

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If I had something to say, I'd have said it.
If the voices in my head had something to say, I'd have said it (or argued with them depending on what it was).

There. You've heard from me.

So you're keeping your vote on Pawsy?

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

Can we get an updated lynch tally please? 🙂

 

[Mad Jack]

Eh. I've won a lot games doing the info-pushing methods.

I'm not saying pushing for info is a problem, I'm saying it is useless to harmful on day one and has never netted us a wolf. Compare that with RNG, which nets us a wolf about 15-20% of the time

 

[Melchizedek]

Unlynch Kara, lynch kal

Survival I guess. And my vote to lynch kara is fully out of annoyance with the same things that led most old players to quit WW entirely. Bad play like pushing for info on day 1, which has cost us many useful roles but has never to my recollection netted us a wolf. RNG is the best way to play day 1 per both statistics and past proof, even if it is boring. When the wolves have a massive early information advantage, pushing for information from fellow villagers that have none is just dumb and potentially risking roles that could easily be saved without being outed in the main thread, which is why it isn't a thing they do on most other mafia forums.

If you want a game to be interesting, do this noob garbage. If you want to win, RNG.

RNG, by nature of the word random, will lynch a villager more than a wolf. With information pushing, we're upping our chances of a D1 wolf lynch than just pure probability. As for PR's outing themselves under pressure, they are just as likely to out themselves under an RNG wagon as they are while being leaned on for information.
The better solution is to get people to stop role-revealing PR's day 1.
If you want a good situation where D1 RNG still got a PR lynched, I'll refer you to WWarhammer.

 

[Animal Midwife]

@Mad Jack Do you have additional thoughts on how the lynches are stacked?

 

[Lawpy]

@genny what are your thoughts on MJ?

 

[finnickthedog]

So you're keeping your vote on Pawsy?

From what I can tell there was a tie, but that has now been broken so... yeah, probably keeping my vote on Paws.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm not saying pushing for info is a problem, I'm saying it is useless to harmful on day one and has never netted us a wolf. Compare that with RNG, which nets us a wolf about 15-20% of the time

I can think of two recent instances off the top of my head where info pushing did lead to a D1 wolf lynch. Maybe I'm just misunderstanding your definition of info pushing. What does it mean to you?

 

[Lawpy]

Can we get an updated lynch tally please? 🙂

What are your thoughts so far?

 

[genny]

From what I can tell there was a tie, but that has now been broken so... yeah, probably keeping my vote on Paws.

3-way tie with MJ, WZ, and YK as far as I know.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Unofficial D1 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - FS
MJ (3) - AM, SAR, genny
Paws (2) - Finski, kara
Sporty (1) - Moose
Coffee? () -
AM (1) - dpmd
dolphin (1) - Jayna
Kara () -
Jayna (2) - Coffee?, dolphin
genny (2) - Sporty, YK
Stagg (1) - jboo
jboo (2) - Stagg, Paws
WZ (3) - allie, Mel, Pippy
FS () -
Kal (3) - Snowy, lawpy, MJ
Katashark () -
dpmd (1) - kata

24/25 voting
Lynch close in ~25 minutes

 

[Lawpy]

Modabandonment? @MixedAnimals77 @capri1722 @vetmedhead

 

[jaboo]

lynch WZ

just to spread some early family love

Noted this because allieh popped in and promptly left. I recall noting she did this in a previous game, so it might just be her meta.

Imo the D1 lynch is a crapshoot, and I'd just like to make it past D1 in my first game,

Wtf is a "village code"? I keep seeing this get mentioned but haven't actually seen one in the few games I followed/read...

Opinionated about the game in the first quote, nooby question in the second. Seems fishy. I have my lynch vote here currently and this isn't exactly nudging me to unlynch.

No? It was one of the games between August and December last year, but I can't remember exactly which one. Just know I didn't play a whole ton of those, and TLM felt like the right one. Ah well. One of those.

I just wanted to note this one because this is another example of aforementioned "fluff." I blame Sporty for this one. Someone else called her out for talking a lot about old games. Then later, this:

Stop trying to make something out of nothing, Paws. I don't wanna see you die early this game after what I did to you last game, but your insistence here is bothering me.

I don't know if this is wolfy per say, but it's not really contributing to discussion.

There were plenty of others that were posting a lot of fluff. Why pick out moose and lawpy from those?

Going back, it was moose, lawpy, dubz, and stagg that were pinging my fluffdar. I think moose and lawpy I pointed out bc they both put in really big gifs/pics and that was in addition to fluffy posting.

spent all day buying a house sorry for the inactivity but it takes a lot of time and I'm still driving home. I'm vanilla. Texting and driving, can't say much more

 

[WildZoo]

Reread and talked myself out of voting for any of the other frontrunners. I'd switch to Kal but I know we're unlikely to hear from her so seems kinda useless to do so at the moment.

Lynch sporty
I got feels, they're multiplying. And I'd like to see commentary from her in regard to this game.

 

[youngkal]

Unlynch Genny
Lynch WZ

self-pres if that tally is right.

 

[genny]

@genny what are your thoughts on MJ?

He's being remarkably calm, considering that I helped lynch him as a wolf in the previous game, and I'm currently lynching him in this one. I would expect more frustration.

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Modabandonment? @MixedAnimals77 @capri1722 @vetmedhead

says who?

 

[youngkal]

You have me for like five minutes since i got sent on a good run.

 

[WildZoo]

Not gonna be around at Lynch close, eh?
Well this is better then.

Unlynch sporty, Lynch kal

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

What are your thoughts so far?

I'm not liking the votes for dubz or MJ right now. I think dubz sounds normal and the last time we lynched MJ when he was a wolf he EXPLODED in a rage! So it sounds like he might actually be vanilla. Kal, I don't like how she got on the thread then said there were no real content posts and then left. But I'm going to stick with my Sporty vote because after I voted for her, there was no real response and I dislike that. It's like she'll only acknowledge a vote if it means her demise. And the last time she played like this she was a wolf. Jboo I think is being more active in this game than the last but that's probably because we lynched her for it last time. I want to hear form Dolphin and Houston (dolphin is giving me super sketch vibes now!). I'm also being wary of Paws because of the whole pointing out people who did joke votes but asking one against her to change. I want more from the Finnski hybrid (which I find to be a weird hybrid considering Ski is normally chatty on threads whereas Finn isn't).

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Official D1 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - FS
MJ (3) - AM, SAR, genny
Paws (2) - Finski, kara
Sporty (2) - Moose, WZ
Coffee? () -
AM (1) - dpmd
dolphin (1) - Jayna
Kara () -
Jayna (2) - Coffee?, dolphin
genny (1) - Sporty
Stagg (1) - jboo
jboo (2) - Stagg, Paws
WZ (4) - allie, Mel, Pippy, YK
FS () -
Kal (4) - Snowy, lawpy, MJ,WZ
Katashark () -
dpmd (1) - kata

24/25 voting
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Please check your votes!

 

[jaboo]

Step 1: Cut a hole in the box

Lynch Dubz

Spoiler: Large gif

 

[finnickthedog]

3-way tie with MJ, WZ, and YK as far as I know.

This is why I need more tallies. All the tallies. Tally every other post. Basically, I skimmed and so all I saw was tie and then MJ voting for "survival" and guess I didn't realize he was just making a bigger tie because I didn't see the other person on the block was Dubz.

And now in the time it took me to write this post, more votes have been cast and I'm not sure where things are so maybe my vote is staying where it is and maybe it isn't. I don't know.

 

[WildZoo]

I've already addressed the one person who gave an actual reason for voting for me.

@PippyPony is this the fun you were looking for? 😛

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Official D1 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - FS
MJ (3) - AM, SAR, genny
Paws (2) - Finski, kara
Sporty (1) - Moose
Coffee? () -
AM (1) - dpmd
dolphin (1) - Jayna
Kara () -
Jayna (2) - Coffee?, dolphin
genny (1) - Sporty
Stagg (1) - jboo
jboo (2) - Stagg, Paws
WZ (4) - allie, Mel, Pippy, YK
FS () -
Kal (4) - Snowy, lawpy, MJ, WZ
Katashark () -
dpmd (1) - kata

24/25 voting
Lynch close in ~15 minutes
@Houstonnn97 we need your vote.
Please check your votes!

 

[genny]

Official D1 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - FS
MJ (3) - AM, SAR, genny
Paws (2) - Finski, kara
Sporty (1) - Moose, WZ
Coffee? () -
AM (1) - dpmd
dolphin (1) - Jayna
Kara () -
Jayna (2) - Coffee?, dolphin
genny (1) - Sporty
Stagg (1) - jboo
jboo (2) - Stagg, Paws
WZ (4) - allie, Mel, Pippy, YK
FS () -
Kal (3) - Snowy, lawpy, MJ
Katashark () -
dpmd (1) - kata

24/25 voting
Lynch close in ~15 minutes
@Houstonnn97 we need your vote.
Please check your votes!

I think you missed WZ's switch to YK
ETA: Nevermind!

 

[finnickthedog]

I want more from the Finnski hybrid (which I find to be a weird hybrid considering Ski is normally chatty on threads whereas Finn isn't).

I'm a little scared that we've never played a game together and you already know this about me.

 

[MOOSEygoosey]

I'm a little scared that we've never played a game together and you already know this about me.

I follow other threads 🙂 Ski likes all of my posts (prove me right!).

 

[Melchizedek]

This is why I need more tallies. All the tallies. Tally every other post. Basically, I skimmed and so all I saw was tie and then MJ voting for "survival" and guess I didn't realize he was just making a bigger tie because I didn't see the other person on the block was Dubz.

And now in the time it took me to write this post, more votes have been cast and I'm not sure where things are so maybe my vote is staying where it is and maybe it isn't. I don't know.

Hey finn

Get your **** together and play.

Sincerely,
CheezyD

 

[Animal Midwife]

I'm a little scared that we've never played a game together and you already know this about me.

k n o w l e g d e

 

[MixedAnimals77]

I'm gonna throw a pizza in the oven-don't make a mess while I'm gone please! I got 14 mins to be away!

 

[Mad Jack]

RNG, by nature of the word random, will lynch a villager more than a wolf. With information pushing, we're upping our chances of a D1 wolf lynch than just pure probability. As for PR's outing themselves under pressure, they are just as likely to out themselves under an RNG wagon as they are while being leaned on for information.
The better solution is to get people to stop role-revealing PR's day 1.
If you want a good situation where D1 RNG still got a PR lynched, I'll refer you to WWarhammer.

Logically that makes sense, but the math doesn't pan out that way. Feels are easier to manipulate than chance. Yeah, you'll lose important villagers here and there, but you'll get wolves more often than with any other strategy.

There's a great analysis of the perfect ways to win WW, and they boil down to exactly two variations of strategy: mass forced role reveals and forcing RNGs and lynching anyone that refuses to go along with RNGs. Both strategies are decidedly unfun but almost guaranteed to net a villager win. But RNGs always favor villagers early in the game due to information assymetry

 

[finnickthedog]

Hey finn

Get your **** together and play.

Sincerely,
CheezyD

Hey Cheez,

This isn't your first time around the block with me. You know how I play and I'm already doing it.

Bite me,
Finn

 

[Melchizedek]

k n o w l e g d e

s p e l l c h e c k

 

[WildZoo]

I'm gonna throw a pizza in the oven-don't make a mess while I'm gone please! I got 14 mins to be away!

Well now you're just asking for trouble

 

[Animal Midwife]

s p e l l c h e c k

b u g g e r o f f

 

[WildZoo]

Logically that makes sense, but the math doesn't pan out that way. Feels are easier to manipulate than chance. Yeah, you'll lose important villagers here and there, but you'll get wolves more often than with any other strategy.

There's a great analysis of the perfect ways to win WW, and they boil down to exactly two variations of strategy: mass forced role reveals and forcing RNGs and lynching anyone that refuses to go along with RNGs. Both strategies are decidedly unfun but almost guaranteed to net a villager win. But RNGs always favor villagers early in the game due to information assymetry

The game is about fun too though, so like, nuts to that, man

 

[Stagg737]

Unlynch Kara, lynch kal

Survival I guess. And my vote to lynch kara is fully out of annoyance with the same things that led most old players to quit WW entirely. Bad play like pushing for info on day 1, which has cost us many useful roles but has never to my recollection netted us a wolf. RNG is the best way to play day 1 per both statistics and past proof, even if it is boring. When the wolves have a massive early information advantage, pushing for information from fellow villagers that have none is just dumb and potentially risking roles that could easily be saved without being outed in the main thread, which is why it isn't a thing they do on most other mafia forums.

If you want a game to be interesting, do this noob garbage. If you want to win, RNG.

What is RNG? Also, @Melchizedek used the term "PR", what is that?

Opinionated about the game in the first quote, nooby question in the second. Seems fishy. I have my lynch vote here currently and this isn't exactly nudging me to unlynch.

My opinion on D1 impressions not being useful is based on my irl experience playing mafia. Maybe it's different in WW since it's online and we have more time to talk, idk. The nooby question is there because, well, I'm a noob and don't know all the WW terminology. Would it seem less fishy if I knew everything and was playing like an expert?

Also curious if you had other reasons for initially voting for me since both of your reasons in the quote above occurred well after your initial lynch vote.

Edited to change a period to a question mark (cuz my grammar OCD was kicking in).

 

[WildZoo]

So if when I tie in a mayor election I die, does that mean if I tie in a lynch vote I live? It seems only fair.

 

[Melchizedek]

Hey Cheez,

This isn't your first time around the block with me. You know how I play and I'm already doing it.

Bite me,
Finn

This was your reason for voting for Paws in the first place:

lynch paws

Because I don't feel like spreading the vote out further right now and she's the first one on the list who has two votes.

That reason is null now.
You're still gonna stay right there?
Instead of falling short of coming up with snappy remarks, try to be useful okay? 😛

 

[Mad Jack]

The game is about fun too though, so like, nuts to that, man

I'm only in it for fun when I'm a non-villager. When I'm village I'm in it to win it and derive my fun from lapping up wolf tears

 

[finnickthedog]

We still sitting on a tie?

unlynch paws
lynch kal

No particular reason for picking kal over dubz since I wasn't planning to vote for either of them, but I don't want a tie and I don't see anyone else jumping to break it.

 

[WildZoo]

What is RNG? Also, @Melchizedek used the term "PR", what is that?

RNG = random number generator, basically booting randomly (is also used to refer to how roles are assigned - via RNG).
PR = power role, so your seers and trackers and all that

 

[JaynaAli]

@Melchizedek
I don't have many updated thoughts since my post this afternoon. I stand by those reads.
Dubs is all over the place this afternoon it seems like, which kinda feels like a wolf scrambling to see what they can get to stick.
Pippy seems...off? I've only played a couple games with her but she seems less 'guns blazing' than normal. I'm not sure how to read it yet, but just something I made note of. We were both wolf manators in the last noob game so she got to see a little of my gameplay advice then and I saw hers. Her play style (almost reckless) is like exactly opposite from mine and I view her as a loose cannon/risky no matter what side she's on since I can't predict what she'll do next, haha.

 

[WildZoo]

I'm only in it for fun when I'm a non-villager. When I'm village I'm in it to win it and derive my fun from lapping up wolf tears

Don't lie to me. I know you still love the chaos.

 

[youngkal]

tear tear bye guys

 

[Animal Midwife]

tear tear bye guys

ew

What is this post?

 

[MixedAnimals77]

Official D1 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - FS
MJ (3) - AM, SAR, genny
Paws (1) - kara
Sporty (1) - Moose
Coffee? () -
AM (1) - dpmd
dolphin (1) - Jayna
Kara () -
Jayna (2) - Coffee?, dolphin
genny (1) - Sporty
Stagg (1) - jboo
jboo (2) - Stagg, Paws
WZ (4) - allie, Mel, Pippy, YK
FS () -
Kal (5) - Snowy, lawpy, MJ, WZ, Finski
Katashark () -
dpmd (1) - kata

24/25 voting
Lynch close in ~8 minutes
@Houstonnn97 we need your vote.
Please check your votes!
You all ruin my fun🙁🙁

 

[finnickthedog]

That reason is null now.
You're still gonna stay right there?
Instead of falling short of coming up with snappy remarks, try to be useful okay?

Yeah, I was planning to stay right there. Both because after my initial vote I thought paws was acting weird (not necessarily wolfy weird but also not necessarily not wolfy weird) and I wasn't inclined to vote for any of the front runners. I had no reason to move my vote until now, which was purely for tie breaking reasons. Get off my back.

 

[JaynaAli]

What is the tally?