STEP 1 scores (compilation...please help)

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TheFlash said:
Actually, MSSM is up at 228, and at a steadily increasing trend for the last 5 years. Expect to break 230 this year or next.

Interesting that NYU is significantly lower than other NYC schools like MSSM, Columbia (who's is much lower than I thought it would have been, esp with such a traditional curriculum) and Einstein. I wonder what Weill's average is like...
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Two years ago the NYU Step 1 average was 230, three years ago it was 229. This is not speculation and according to the Dean there, it usually hovers around this mark.

In addition, UPenn students (straight from the mouth of a third year there) traditionally take their step 1 tests after 1year of clinical medicine (ie after 3 years of med school). This may account for why they are consistently so high (he quoted 237 to me).
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Adding Duke; I only know what is considered to be the most recently-calculated score...I think it's from this year's match, but I don't know for sure.

Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS - 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ - 221 (2002)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Florida: 227
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 235 (2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 220
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)
 
USC is 225

Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS - 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ - 221 (2002)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Florida: 227
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 235 (2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 225 (2004)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)
 
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FYI, only those schools with good USMLE scores publish it. UTMB a few years ago had terrible scores, and they did not publish it, but now their curriculum has all the kinks worked out and their scores are up. Guess what, they are publishing those scores now.

One more thing, the people that do really well on the USMLE Step I don't rely soley on their school to prepare them for it. I don't care where you go to school, you don't get a 250+ by simply doing well in class. Baylor students get great scores because thay have all that extra time to prepare and they have more flexability in when they can take the test. Most schools require you to take it before 3rd year, and this means that right after finals from 2nd year they will have to hurry up and get ready for Step I. For all of those that were anticipating the lack of study time they would have before the test and began prepareing 6+ months in advance are in good shape. This is not the case for many students and people do poorly.
 
No, Columbia is not on probation. Columbia regularly does quite well on Step 1, and certainly isn't going to lose accreditation.

The LCME got upset because Columbia wasn't very responsive to LCME's study space concerns, ambulatory care issues, and third year evaluations. So, Columbia is gutting the first floor of the library this summer to get a new study space for August, and is busy recruiting new ambulatory care training sites and unifying third-year evaluations. The LCME is quite satisfied with Columbia's student diversity. To be honest, this thing has more to do with Columbia-LCME communication than anything else.

Regarding Step 1 scores, they are a pretty crude yardstick for a medical school. The real fodder for your residency app comes from the M3 and M4 years; look for a school with a great clinical program and they'll probably have a matchlist that's fantastic also.
 
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For what it's worth (which isn't much at all), Drexel's Step 1 score for the c/o 2007 was 220 (nat'l average 217) as per NBME report to the dean.

Jefferson = 221 for same year. (published on one of their AOA webpages).
 
Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 227
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 230
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 235 (2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 225 (2004)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)
 
Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 227
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 230
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 234, 236, 235 (2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 225 (2004)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)
 
For point of reference, what's the national average and what's passing?
 
NapeSpikes said:
For point of reference, what's the national average and what's passing?
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According to this post for 2004 the average was 217 and standard deviation 23. I don't know the passing score, but it's probably around 185-190. Some of the numbers above are suspiciously high, and I personally think this is about as stupid as choosing your undergrad based on rumors about its average MCAT score. But whatever...
 
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Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 230
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 234, 236, 235 (2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 225 (2004)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)
 
Case was actually 220 for average steps...at least that was what the sheet said when I interviewed.
 
bump... This question has been tossed around lately and I thought it is a good thread
 
Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 230
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 234, 236, 235 (2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)



The latest from USC says 233:

http://uscnews.usc.edu/hscweekly/detail.php?recordnum=14320
 
i'm surprised case's average is only 220 because they are the only school in the country with access to NBME questions
 
Baylor: 235[/B]
Case Western: 225[/B]
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)[/B]
Drexel: 220 (2005)[/B]
Duke: 236[/B]
Indiana University: 222[/B]
Jefferson: 221 (2005)[/B]
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)[/B]
Mount Sinai: 228[/B]
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)[/B]
OHSU: 219 (2007)[/B]
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one[/B]
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)[/B]
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)[/B]
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)[/B]
University of Michigan: 230[/B]
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 234, 236, 235 (2005, 2004, 2003,2002)[/B]
University of Pittsburg: 227[/B]
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)[/B]
UTMB: 223[/B]
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)[/B]
Wash U: 229 (2001)[/B]
 
I'm positive UTSW and UTMB's latest scores are in the 230s. I can't remember exactly what they are though.
 
Jamorama said:
i'm surprised case's average is only 220 because they are the only school in the country with access to NBME questions
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what? nbme subject tests are available to any school that wants to incorporate them into their testing. are you talking about something else?
 
Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 230
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 234, 236, 235 (2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UT Houston: 220 (2006)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)
 
Wow, SDN has reached a new low.
 
Zippership said:
Wow, SDN has reached a new low.
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Showing people who are about to decide on a school how well that school's students do on board exams, which presumably correlates with the quality of the curriculum or the quality of the students attending the school, is a new low?
 
I recently Heard St Georges Average was up around 245, and Hogwarts was pushing 260.:D
 
Jamorama said:
i'm surprised case's average is only 220 because they are the only school in the country with access to NBME questions
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The last class at CW to take the Step 1 scored ~226ish, IIRC.
 
How much do you guys think average board scores really matter in terms of indicating how good the curriculum is? In other words a student who scores a 40 on the MCAT obviously can take tests well, so do you think that he/she would score very well on the boards whether at UPenn or a small state school?

I know that USC's board scores have increased tremendously since they started their new curriculum, but the average MCAT score of entering students has also increased dramatically. So is it the curriculum that determines how well the student does, or the type of student that determines the average score?
 
ChristianJames1 said:
How much do you guys think average board scores really matter in terms of indicating how good the curriculum is? In other words a student who scores a 40 on the MCAT obviously can take tests well, so do you think that he/she would score very well on the boards whether at UPenn or a small state school?

I know that USC's board scores have increased tremendously since they started their new curriculum, but the average MCAT score of entering students has also increased dramatically. So is it the curriculum that determines how well the student does, or the type of student that determines the average score?
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Well this isnt necessarily always true. Schools average board scores probably correlate very closely to their average matriculants MCAT and GPA. Harvard's and JHU's 35 average probably correlates with around a 235 step1. Drexels, Penn states, and SLU's 31 average mcat probably correlates with approximately 220 Step 1.

Take home point, dont pick schools based solely on board scores!
 
To add to my previous post: IMO the only time I think Step 1 scores should play into a decision of whether or not to attend a school would be when a school with high stats 35+ mcat has medicocre board scores, or a school with mediocre stats has below average board scores. You also have to keep in mind the type of teaching at certain institutions. Cornell may have a 235 average, but the majority of their learning is PBL, if you learn better in lecture settings, chances are you would do better at a different school.
 
Bartelby said:
Showing people who are about to decide on a school how well that school's students do on board exams, which presumably correlates with the quality of the curriculum or the quality of the students attending the school, is a new low?
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When every school has people that fail and people that score around 270, I wonder how much of that can be attributed to the curriculum.
 
Another way to look at it...

Did you pick your college based on average MCAT scores? Why not? Would you recommend that HS students access this information and use it as a major selection criterion?
 
Bartelby said:
Showing people who are about to decide on a school how well that school's students do on board exams, which presumably correlates with the quality of the curriculum or the quality of the students attending the school, is a new low?
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Nope. There can be many factors in a school's average Step 1 scores.

*Great curriculum
*Smart, motivated students - perhaps due to tough admissions/selection process
*3 months off before MS-III year - thus more time to study
*Less leniency for struggling students so they drop out or are kicked out earlier
*Failure to publish failing scores (thus only averaging the passing scores - this has been done before)
*Rich students who can afford to take prep classes

A school's average Step 1 score shouldn't be your #1 criteria for choosing where to attend.

lord_jeebus said:
Another way to look at it...

Did you pick your college based on average MCAT scores? Why not? Would you recommend that HS students access this information and use it as a major selection criterion?
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Outstanding point.

It's kind of like picking a gym based on how many fit, buff people are there working out. Do you have a chance to also become fit and buff? Sure. Do gyms with lots of fit, buff people mean there's something inherently "superior" about that gym? Not necessarily.
 
Bartelby said:
Showing people who are about to decide on a school how well that school's students do on board exams, which presumably correlates with the quality of the curriculum or the quality of the students attending the school, is a new low?
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:laugh:
 
Bartelby said:
Showing people who are about to decide on a school how well that school's students do on board exams, which presumably correlates with the quality of the curriculum or the quality of the students attending the school, is a new low?
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that's not really true. as others have mentioned, there's a lot more that goes into boards scores.

plus, more importantly, almost EVERY allopathic school scores above the average because the national average includes everyone who takes the test - DO students, carribean students, etc.

so picking a school based on their boards scores being above average would probably be the most useless criterion yet discussed on these boards...
 
lord_jeebus said:
what? nbme subject tests are available to any school that wants to incorporate them into their testing. are you talking about something else?
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there is definitely something that case claims to have that no other school has access to and they give out thse weekly quizzes or something with the questions. i thought it was board questions.
 
Blade28 said:
Outstanding point.

It's kind of like picking a gym based on how many fit, buff people are there working out. Do you have a chance to also become fit and buff? Sure. Do gyms with lots of fit, buff people mean there's something inherently "superior" about that gym? Not necessarily.
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In fact, you're much more likely to be intimidated by those fit, buff people and may quit to go to another gym with more people like you.
 
Blade28 said:
Outstanding point.

It's kind of like picking a gym based on how many fit, buff people are there working out. Do you have a chance to also become fit and buff? Sure. Do gyms with lots of fit, buff people mean there's something inherently "superior" about that gym? Not necessarily.
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Hey, good analogies, guys. I'll be appropriating these for the next time this type of thread shows up. :laugh:
 
LLU -stated on their website that it was about a half of a STD dev above the norm so. 228-230ish?
 
The only problem with these types of statistics is when you as an individual fall outside of the average. This means that your school can have a 260 average USMLE Step I score in previous years and you fail that test (a good number of people do this). You can also attend a school that has a 200 average and score a 260 (this happens too). Choose medical schools where you feel you can do your best work and where you feel you can fit in and get in. Other than that, things like match lists and USMLE scores are more individual than school characteristic.
 
Mayo's step 1 average last year was a 240! Their average entrance MCAT score is 33 (this is a little deceiving, because their average entrance GPA is one of the highest, if not the highest, in the nation). They must be doing something right in order to have students perform like that on step 1.
 
johnbeck said:
Mayo's step 1 average last year was a 240! Their average entrance MCAT score is 33 (this is a little deceiving, because their average entrance GPA is one of the highest, if not the highest, in the nation). They must be doing something right in order to have students perform like that on step 1.
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Ahhh, Mayo!!
Good luck getting in, Grrr:cool:
 
People need to stop hijacking this thread by turning this into a dicussion about choosing schools based on USMLE scores.

This thread is simply meant to compile the USMLE step 1 averages for medical schools across the nation. It is merely a data book, holding information that can be very important for some applicants.

If you have no new/additional average USMLE scores to contribute, then stop commenting on this thread.

No one wants to hear your lofty logic on why USMLE scores "ain't all that."

We get it. Ok? We're in Medical School. So in the illustrious words of Souljah Boy: "Yah, trick. YA!"






Without further adieu...

Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 236, 234, 230 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 230
University of Pennsylvania: 236, 234, 236, 235 (2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UT Houston: 220 (2006)
UTMB: 223
UTSW: 226, 228 (2003, 2002)
Wash U: 229 (2001)


This list was taken from a similar thread:


Baylor: 236
Case Western Reserve University: 224
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
Mayo: 238 (for most recent year, half the class scored in top percentile)
Northwestern: ~230
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UIowa: 225
UMDNJ-NJMS: ~215ish (2006-2007 mean. Step 1: 219, Step 2: 219)
UMich: 233
UPenn: 238 (100% pass, 2006, from someone in admissions)
UPittsburgh 227
USC 232 http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/12830.html
UTMB: 226
UVa: 227
UWash: ~215ish
VCU: 225
WashU: 235
UFlorida: ~230 (I think I heard 233 or 234 for this year)
USouthFlorida:~220
 
Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 235
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UT Houston: 220 (2006)
UTMB: 226
UTSW: 232 (2007)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
WashU: 235
 
Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
School of Hardknocks:180
Stewart University: 245
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 235
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UT Houston: 220 (2006)
UTMB: 226
UTSW: 232 (2007)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
Question, how come every school's average that is posted here is above the national average? If all these school's are above national avg, then what schools have below national avg's?
 
trp2006 said:
Question, how come every school's average that is posted here is above the national average? If all these school's are above national avg, then what schools have below national avg's?
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DO, Small state schools, HBSs, ppl that take the test from caribbean.
 
trp2006 said:
Question, how come every school's average that is posted here is above the national average? If all these school's are above national avg, then what schools have below national avg's?
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I know my school's means for the past 4 years. Sometimes some premed posts it. "I heard at my interview from a student that it was X." It's always wrong.

I would assume that many of the other numbers in this thread are also incorrect, unless a good source is cited.

There's also a lot of state schools and such that don't get mentioned much on this forum. Their averages may be lower.
 
Baylor: 235
Case Western: 225
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 236, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 228
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
School of Hardknocks:180
Stewart University: 245
Temple: ~215ish
UChicago: 217
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002) - new curriculum now dont know more recent one
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
University of Michigan: 235
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburg: 227
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 227 (SD = 21)
UT Houston: 220 (2006)
UTMB: 226
UTSW: 232 (2007)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235

Corrected Mayo's (administration told us the averages the last two years).... so unless they were lying, those are correct.
 
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